(Sigh.) But it's
VOTE: BuJaber
... it's only logical.
(Sigh.) But it's
Hey guys. Sorry I haven't posted. Very long and busy day, and I'm too worn out to parse through the thread. Bad timing for the first game day. Tomorrow I will be able to devote a few hours to the game with a fresh head, but I gotta get some sleep right now.
But does lazy/sheepy= scum? And aren't there other reasons for hopping onto a wagon other than sheepiness? (For instance, being curious how Ceej might respond to pressure. And seeing an opportunity to create momentum on a ceej wagon).In post 523, OkaPoka wrote:VOTE: vulcan logician
im not liking this play coming from vulcan
he is being lazy but sheepy
I'll admit that I've been lazy, but seriously, I'm not sheeping. And if I were sheeping, would I be so bloody obvious about it as scum?In post 529, OkaPoka wrote:one thing to be a lazy player
another thing to be a sheep player
but its a whole thing to be a lazy, sheep player who wants to pressure other players
Tbh, I'm not the best "gut reader".... I occasionally hit a bullseye, but, at best, my gut is no better than random, so I tend to not rely on my own gut except perhaps as a starting point.
Yeah, I got that impression too.In post 558, ruru wrote:This feels a bit forcedIn post 532, Skygazer wrote:Vulcan you're spending more time defending yourself than gamesolving
Y'know, I'm not familiar with Ceej's scumgame, but what is provoking me is that he is so much more towny here than in the two games I played with him where he flipped green. I said this before, but I want to reiterate: I voted for CJ because I wanted to put pressure on him. I'm not leaning scum on him because of his uncharacteristic behavior-- I just thought it was worth noting and perhaps looking into further. For all I know, Ceej is town and (despite my vote) I'm leaning more town on him than scum.In post 560, Sando wrote:It's outside of his scum game and his town game.In post 551, vulcan logician wrote:I don't trust your "super-towniness" ceej... it's a bit uncharacteristic.
a) Which way has he gone, more townie or more scummie?
b) Which is it closer to?
Yeah, that's just the thing. On d1, my "townread" might very well be scum. One of the things I hate about d1 is how fucking confident people are inIn post 561, skitter30 wrote:
i guess i'm jsut confused why you're voting based on pressuring your townread instead of like using your vote to do like ... something useful from your pov given that you don't seem to have lost the townread
this cj mini-wagon is kinda icky tbh
I disagree with the reasoning that scum wouldn't push hard on a wagon simply because it's a mislynch. Is that the only reason you lean town on Skygazer?In post 471, Enigma wrote:
Town lean
...
Skygazer - I feel scum would not be this stubborn and push so hard on my wagon (a mislynch btw)
It was more of a general vibe I was getting from you as I caught up in the thread... say from the last 3-4 pages before I made that post. I'll pay more attention to that as I do my ISO of you (which I haven't got to yet).In post 608, ofrhz wrote:What posts led you to town-toneread me?In post 516, vulcan logician wrote:I'm back after a prod and fully caught up. At this point, I am town reading ofrhz and okapoka on tone.
Ruru's claim has me townslotting her for the moment. It makes sense for meta reasons.
Skygazer: nullish to town. @skygazer, my "peppered in" paranoia of Ceej is warranted. He really isn't usually this townie as town. I have my eye on him, but, of course, that's a shit reason to sumread him.
No scumleans so far, sorry.
Probably after like two scum games where everyone townread me, with two town games in between where people thought I was scummy af.In post 651, Cardi B wrote:Can I ask you somethink, when did you notice that thing about sounding towny as scumIn post 240, vulcan logician wrote:So far, I gotta say that Ceej is the towniest I've ever seen him. I lean town on him, but my inner paranoiac wonders if scum!ceej is just not super towny. (I've never played with Ceej as scum.) I know that I tend to come off as more towny when I roll scum... perhaps because, in those cases, I actually take time to do things with the intent to come off as towny.
I don't think I like Ruru's strategy, which (as far as I can see) hinged on her fakeclaim being believed. That is problematic for the reasons you listed. In addition, Ruru selected a very townie role, that was apt to be chosen by those halfway down the draft or lower, thus condemning all of them to vanilla-ness. PGO would have actually been a good pick, or even vig... if anything just to prevent scum from getting the role. To pick a role so useful to a townie whoIn post 908, BuJaber wrote:-Can someone help me understand what ruru's strategy was? I don't get the town fakeclaim. A townie who knows she's lying will counterclaim and ruru likely gets lynched. And scum who know she's lying will NK her. And I think that's what happened. It's the most likely explanation in my mind.
So I feel like I'm missing something obvious or it's a pointless gambit??
Not really trying to dwell. BuJaber asked if there was any other strategy that might have been at work. The short answer would have been "no."In post 918, Sando wrote:Congrats, you have different views of how to play town PRs, well done. Ruru is dead, their alignment is known, let's move on. Contribute to how we can move the gamestate forward rather than speculating about why a town player did a thing...they did, deal with it.In post 916, vulcan logician wrote:I don't think I like Ruru's strategy, which (as far as I can see) hinged on her fakeclaim being believed. That is problematic for the reasons you listed. In addition, Ruru selected a very townie role, that was apt to be chosen by those halfway down the draft or lower, thus condemning all of them to vanilla-ness. PGO would have actually been a good pick, or even vig... if anything just to prevent scum from getting the role. To pick a role so useful to a townie whoIn post 908, BuJaber wrote:-Can someone help me understand what ruru's strategy was? I don't get the town fakeclaim. A townie who knows she's lying will counterclaim and ruru likely gets lynched. And scum who know she's lying will NK her. And I think that's what happened. It's the most likely explanation in my mind.
So I feel like I'm missing something obvious or it's a pointless gambit??wasn'tgoing to be a prime n1 target was a bad move IMO.
In post 889, ofrhz wrote:how about we just do some good ol fashioned scumhunting without the setup spec
this kind of reads as awkward distancingIn post 250, brassherald wrote:Invisibility is in this game?In post 249, OkaPoka wrote:pretty sure ausuka is in this game more than invis is, brass.
VOTE: Invisibility
I'd rather have the pressure vote on someone I forgot was in the game than Ausuka who I at least remembered.
In post 288, brassherald wrote:In post 287, OkaPoka wrote:id hope that people would talk more when they are mentioned
also i don't see how this has anything to do with scumhuntingI'm scumhunting, I'm just not confident enough in any of my reads to make cases.
Plus, I find its very hard to form a read on someone if they are not participating in the game.
That's just me, though, I might be crazy to want to base my reads on like content.first brass has no strong scumreads to explain away his pressure voting inactives, yet 30 posts later he conjures up a confident scumread on invis. where did this newfound confidence come from?In post 318, brassherald wrote:I don't like the Enigma wagon, Enigma's ISO has some good questions, and good thoughts. That's a town ISO as far as I can tell.
Vulcan Logician promised more content in 240 and never followed up, I'd like to know why. I know the dude only has 3 posts, but they include him claiming he's a fairly active player. I will allow him more posts before making an actual read, but it makes me uneasy.
Invisibility is scum.
BuJaber, I'm leaning scum on.
I'll find the last scum tomorrow or something, going to the beach now.
okay seems like cardi was basically on the invis wagon for pressure, which by itself is fineIn post 786, Cardi B wrote:VOTE: invisibility if theres more to get from this lil dude I wanna see it. Joinin my mans okapoka ArrArrArr.In post 819, Cardi B wrote:All Im sayins isIn post 817, OkaPoka wrote:I mean wasting a town investigator on him for a night.
We flip him because he is unreadable
0 other votes on invisibility oka be like "this bitch off the table"
3 other votes oka be like "oawww less lynch em"
Looks to me like nothin changed his mind! Skitter skitter talked abt why his content bad... I though she made sense (as usual )... okadude didnt even seem to noticed it, you knowwha Im sayin.cardi then tries to scumread for his "inconsistency" in joining the invis wagon, when i think it was pretty evident oka was mainly on the wagon for pressure (which incidentally, is also the same reason cardi was on the wagon), i.e. oka was NOT on the invis wagon to "less lynch em"In post 828, Cardi B wrote:I didnt like how it interactit with his own reasons, obvissly I didnt think it was a bad vote in general?In post 824, Skygazer wrote:I don't like how Cardi throws shade at Oka's vote after the hammer but joined the wagon directly after Oka's vote
for reference, oka's vote was in 784
as a bonus:i could totally see invis doing a "townlean your scumpartner and another townie" hereIn post 57, Invisibility wrote:currently townleaning brassherald and Sando
as another bonus, if we lynch cardi, i don't have to read her posts
VOTE: cardi
I sort of agree w/ you, Oka. Maybe we should get some wagons going to generate some information for this and the next day cycle. Nailing scum on D1 bought us some time and widened our margin for error, so I don't think it's a terrible way to proceed.In post 935, OkaPoka wrote:im getting the impression that we as a town have no direction to go
He's a bit far down on the list to assume he DOES have a PR.In post 933, AP wrote:But it did. Unless you think Enigma is also a GOON. I think this is the key to solving the caseIn post 919, vulcan logician wrote:Another possibility is that Enigma is mafia, and it wouldn't have mattered which wagon they jumped on. (I lean town on Enigma, so I think this second option is unlikely, but it's still worth mentioning.)IFEnigma is scum here. You would sacrifice your pawn to save the queen every single time it gets offered to you.
This post rubs me the wrong way. You had no way of knowing his alignment so why would you be surprised that he's posting post-hammer? Townies post after the hammer all the time to release information that they hitherto were keeping close to the chest.In post 934, AP wrote:
ROTFL. Now Idemandto be referred to as "the airhead" or something similar for the rest of the game.
My first impression when I saw the avi was "Why is the already lynched guy still posting"
I SWEAR IT'S TRUE! An I don't even know why. I mean, the avatars of the two aren't even similar!!
Oops. I misunderstood you.In post 949, AP wrote: Dude, the post I'm quoting has been done TODAY (i.e. after both the Invis and the ruru flips)
It's noon somewhere.
Yeah, I misread the wiki when it was discussing a variation of the role. That really doesn't help us as much as I was thinking. Either Ausuka or Sky could be scum (Sky possibly taking the role to seem towny... hence her being so obvious that Oka figured it out). Though I suppose this development pretty much eliminates the possibility of them being a team. That's something.In post 1035, AP wrote:I dunno what you read on the wiki. To me a Neighborizer will only die of targetting scum if they have a Weak modifier attached to their role.In post 1033, vulcan logician wrote:How does the neighbor thing work? From what I gathered in the wiki, if the neighborizer targets scum, they die. Doesn't that confirm Ausuka as town? It seems that's not the case going by what you guys are posting.
Very true. I don't think you guys will be able to lynch me without enlisting help from scum, which is one reason I'm not resistant to a wagon forming against me.In post 1055, OkaPoka wrote:id rather vote vulcan as well but vulcan wagon seems unlikely to form with much steam vs this which is somewhat established
What's there to say about the AP lynch? (I told you that scum would come stick their votes on my wagon, btw! Which makes ceej and Cardi viable candidates.)In post 1319, Enigma wrote:Oh hi, I'm still alive ... interesting.
Vulcan you aren't supposed to claim yet! Btw, could you pls comment on AP lynch and his (fake) claim?
Meh. As has been pointed out, the remaining scum is demoted to goon status from lack of ability to use PR. So I don't think that would have factored into AP's motivations at all.In post 1326, skitter30 wrote:there were actually more votes on him; enigma + ausuka were here tooIn post 1280, the worst wrote:vulcan logician (3) ~ Cardi B, ceejayvinoya, AP,
the way ap hopped on as the wagon grew kinda makes me think he was trying to wagon anyone that looked semi-viable in an attempt to save his own skin. like his vote doesn't really seem like a distancing vote to me; it seems more like 'i want to try to save myself'.
especially if the other scum is actually a rb i don't think he tries to get his more powerful partner lynched when ap is going to be in an ever-shrinking lynchpool that will persist until the vig/pgo was actually found.
Remember all this stuff from D1?In post 271, OkaPoka wrote:imo feels like a lame reason to tr but whateverIn post 270, Ausuka wrote:yeah, i feel like invis is town? it's 2 days into d1.In post 268, OkaPoka wrote:wutIn post 261, Ausuka wrote:not scumreading invis, definitely not for the oka vote; feel like the unapologetic nature of the vote instead of making up some justification is town-indicative.
i like the wagon situation w/ enigma and oka.
you are really townreading a tone vote this late into day 1?
what made you compelled to voice your position on invis?
I'm not saying I'm right and if you or others have things to say in your defense, fine.
Then there's this from EOD on D1. In retrospect, it seems a bit manufactured. If she is scum, of course she knew Vizyy was gonna flip red, thus relieving her of following through on her threat to push AP.In post 825, Ausuka wrote:yeah lynching AP tomorrow if this greens. the hammer is honestly worthy of a lynch regardless of anything else imo.
Not trying to throw shade at your slot, Ausuka. I'm just voicing concerns as I read through the thread. If I didn't say it now, I'd have forgotten the posts to quote and the points I wanted to make. My case isn't super strong, I know. I'm really only thinking 70% chance you're scum.In post 1346, Ausuka wrote:Pretty sure your only concern here is to shade another slot and make it lynchable so that you can win an unwinnable game.
The vig/PGO thing clears me. I townleaned invis d1, yes, that means nothing at this point.
Pedit: uhhh yeah it makes sense if I'm scum? But it also makes complete sense as town and you're not trying to address that.
Pedit2: ok I'm just going to stop now because it's so clear that you're arguing in bad faith
Yeah, like, bringing a push on somebody out of left field ain't really in my or anyone else's scumgame y'know.In post 1353, Skygazer wrote:Tbh vulcan is strongly in my lynch pool and ausuka and I have agreed on that before that weird scumread on ausuka
Fair enough. Fair enough. Like I said, I just wanted to give my thoughts as I had them.In post 1355, Skygazer wrote:So much AtE it hurts