Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy, he was clearly joking about the guilties

if he wasn't don't you think I'd be 1v1ing him right now?

Here’s the thing, I just don’t buy town!Muffin pushing a lynch on me in this game. He was scumreading me all through Minuet, until he wasn’t but not only did he never try to get me lynched, he never even voted me iirc.

Of course, Katsuki immediately jumped on that too and she’s strongly defending both him and Matt.

I also think she has to be lying about getting not 1 but 2 innos, so if you’re right then either Matt or Muffin could be a pocket.

What’s really weird to me is Dunn’s reaction to Katsuki’s AtEs. He genuinely seems to be baffled by it. I would think if her AtEs were genuine, then how is it that Dunn seems to be so perplexed by them? Does that make any sense to you?

I think that's a pretty nonsensical reason to SR muffin TBH. It takes a far too static view of human behavior - people vary more than that, and games vary too.

You're not baffled by Katsuki's AtEs? I'm baffled by most of their play. I get what you're saying, and I agree that if they were fake that it would be more likely to baffle Dunn, but I also think he'd be baffled either way so I don't put a ton of stock in it.

I disagree that it’s “nonsensical” but that isn’t the only reason. It’s just suspicious to me, how much effort he’s putting into derailing Matt wagon but seeming indifferent to Mylo. It could be NAI though but I really doubt that the former is though.

Yes, I am more baffled by the fact that Dunn has no idea what she’s upset about. She is so intensely hostile towards him, how can he possibly not know why - if it’s genuine - is my point.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Matt

[Nancy Drew 39]

I also remembered why Mariar was my strongest scumread so I'm completely ok with her dying today

Why is she your strongest scumread?

[Ankamius]

481

I would have to read into the context to hammer down why I think that post is really scummy but that propelled her to the bottom pretty much by itself c

[Ankamius]

I'll cross reference the reads I have with VCs and see what happens

[Wisdom]

not seeing whats wrong with it

[Ankamius]

(I'll probably be slammed for vca when it's not vca like necromancer is my guess)

[Purrcocet]

VOTE: Matt

Do you not believe what he's putting out? Cause I'd be willing to back there if so

[Purrcocet]

VOTE: Matt

[Nancy Drew 39]

481

I would have to read into the context to hammer down why I think that post is really scummy but that propelled her to the bottom pretty much by itself c

Can you link it? The numbers show up different for me.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.7

projectmatt [5] - Moment, Nancy Drew 39, Spiffeh, Brian Skies, Purrcocet
Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma
TehBrawlGuy [4] - zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Katsuki, Nosferatu
zMuffinMan [2] - MariaR, Wisdom
Katsuki [1] - TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting [3]

- Ankamius, projectmatt, Dunnstral

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-04 15:00:00)

[Wisdom]

VOTE: matt

[Ankamius]

Hard disagree you can set in apathy the longer the day goes along with the fact some people might simply want to vote and pressure people I don't think it's really AI the way people are pushing for deadline. I don't really like this line of thinking mostly because I don't understand why you think it's scummy...well that's not true I do get what you're saying but I simply think you're wrong and trying to find reasons to scumread people. Although I should ask who are the people who were in your words "scummy for pushing it."

I didn't mind the fact that he wasn't starting the voting, I have a problem with how he devoted a whole long post to how pro-town it was to make sure everyone contributed before starting the real Day and in the meantime doing nothing himself to actually contribute

Oh big time dunnstral made a big long winded post holding up the deadline isn't the issue it's mostly nai the fact he made a LAMIST post was pinging me on like "look how helpful I am" but really he didn't state anything himself
I want brain to talk about his reads for reasons but I wouldn't mind a dunnstral wagon he's easy for me to solve and I have him as scum right now. I don't really like voicing my dunnstral read until others do because people mostly sheep it

[Nancy Drew 39]

@cupcake

Here is why I am scum reading projectmatt:

projectmatt dying is fine I guess. It feels icky that he has like handpicked quotes illustrating why the reasons people are scum reading him are wrong. I feel like town doesn't bother doing that? This combined with not contributing anything other than his defense of himself today makes him likely to be scum.

He's had a few more posts where he's explained his Kokichi scum read and other reads and it's fine I guess but the stuff that came before it is still problematic enough for me. He says he's gonna go in more depth for his other scum reads when he comes back so I'll just wait for that.

I'm not town reading TBG, I have no read on him. Even after reading the posts with actual words. Please explain why you are scum reading him based off of that.

hey projectmatt you mentioned scum reading Sakura early on and even today justified that read in defense of Purr's accusations, but I don't see her in your list of scum reads rn

What happened?

Also him tunnelling only me, felt kind’ve weird to the exclusion of everyone else on his wagon.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hard disagree you can set in apathy the longer the day goes along with the fact some people might simply want to vote and pressure people I don't think it's really AI the way people are pushing for deadline. I don't really like this line of thinking mostly because I don't understand why you think it's scummy...well that's not true I do get what you're saying but I simply think you're wrong and trying to find reasons to scumread people. Although I should ask who are the people who were in your words "scummy for pushing it."

I didn't mind the fact that he wasn't starting the voting, I have a problem with how he devoted a whole long post to how pro-town it was to make sure everyone contributed before starting the real Day and in the meantime doing nothing himself to actually contribute

Oh big time dunnstral made a big long winded post holding up the deadline isn't the issue it's mostly nai the fact he made a LAMIST post was pinging me on like "look how helpful I am" but really he didn't state anything himself
I want brain to talk about his reads for reasons but I wouldn't mind a dunnstral wagon he's easy for me to solve and I have him as scum right now. I don't really like voicing my dunnstral read until others do because people mostly sheep it

Her Dunn push was definitely bad.

[Ankamius]

Cursory look suggests my townreads are probably all correct.

Wisdom is probably town too.

[TehBrawlGuy]

nancy, he was clearly joking about the guilties

if he wasn't don't you think I'd be 1v1ing him right now?

Here’s the thing, I just don’t buy town!Muffin pushing a lynch on me in this game. He was scumreading me all through Minuet, until he wasn’t but not only did he never try to get me lynched, he never even voted me iirc.

Of course, Katsuki immediately jumped on that too and she’s strongly defending both him and Matt.

I also think she has to be lying about getting not 1 but 2 innos, so if you’re right then either Matt or Muffin could be a pocket.

What’s really weird to me is Dunn’s reaction to Katsuki’s AtEs. He genuinely seems to be baffled by it. I would think if her AtEs were genuine, then how is it that Dunn seems to be so perplexed by them? Does that make any sense to you?

I think that's a pretty nonsensical reason to SR muffin TBH. It takes a far too static view of human behavior - people vary more than that, and games vary too.

You're not baffled by Katsuki's AtEs? I'm baffled by most of their play. I get what you're saying, and I agree that if they were fake that it would be more likely to baffle Dunn, but I also think he'd be baffled either way so I don't put a ton of stock in it.

I disagree that it’s “nonsensical” but that isn’t the only reason. It’s just suspicious to me, how much effort he’s putting into derailing Matt wagon but seeming indifferent to Mylo. It could be NAI though but I really doubt that the former is though.

Yes, I am more baffled by the fact that Dunn has no idea what she’s upset about. She is so intensely hostile towards him, how can he possibly not know why - if it’s genuine - is my point.

katsuki referenced that whatever the thing is with dunn is related to an ongoing so they can't talk about it (ironically, that in itself is a reference to an ongoing, but I guess that's veiled enough it's kosher? i don't make the rules)

[Ankamius]

Nosferatu and Sakura are probably not scum together

Nos + Mariar is my guess right now, but one might be replaced with Kokichi

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Matt

Do you not believe what he's putting out? Cause I'd be willing to back there if so

VOTE: Matt

You say as you vote him...

I've not found any of Matt's posts particularly compelling.

part of the reason i think kokichi might be scum is because of his indignation at me being lynched. the confidence in which he knows im going to flip town seems unrealistic, and it looks like he's trying to get towncred/using my townflip to justify his tunnel on wisdom. i also feel like his iso doesn't have much substance to it. i like most of his reads, but it feels like he gets them without trying to scumhunt/dialogue with people, and it makes me think the reads might be fake.

that said, i can still be convinced kokichi is town. he's not my top choice right now.

This in particular doesn't seem that great since he's hedging and doing the same thing we slammed Mylo for. I'm also curious about his Muffin and Moment scumreads, particularly because I think Moment is really town this game.

did you like mylo's content? i thought it was relatively bland and safe.

i'm not super opposed to this wagon but i don't think it's really going to garner that much information, regardless of the flip. i'll hammer on it before the deadline if we need.

This is didn't really like since I feel like he could've figured that out for himself if he just continued to read my posts, and this was a conclusion Moment and I had already come to (Moment was the one who actually pushed me to reevaluate my Mylo read, so I am giving him a decent amount of credit here). And Matt never did end up voting Mylo. While I can see town just being really unsure, it gives me the impression he could have been scum hoping for the Mylo wagon to stall out near day's end and people wagoning something else.

Anyhow, the main pause I have is that most of his posting that I have an issue with comes in long catch-up style posting. But I still didn't really like this:

oof, brian might be scum.

i'm not interested in arguing semantics though, since you might be town.

i take it all back. brian's probably town.

Which seems like he was trying to give off the impression of a generic read, and it didn't actually feel that way for me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy, he was clearly joking about the guilties

if he wasn't don't you think I'd be 1v1ing him right now?

Here’s the thing, I just don’t buy town!Muffin pushing a lynch on me in this game. He was scumreading me all through Minuet, until he wasn’t but not only did he never try to get me lynched, he never even voted me iirc.

Of course, Katsuki immediately jumped on that too and she’s strongly defending both him and Matt.

I also think she has to be lying about getting not 1 but 2 innos, so if you’re right then either Matt or Muffin could be a pocket.

What’s really weird to me is Dunn’s reaction to Katsuki’s AtEs. He genuinely seems to be baffled by it. I would think if her AtEs were genuine, then how is it that Dunn seems to be so perplexed by them? Does that make any sense to you?

I think that's a pretty nonsensical reason to SR muffin TBH. It takes a far too static view of human behavior - people vary more than that, and games vary too.

You're not baffled by Katsuki's AtEs? I'm baffled by most of their play. I get what you're saying, and I agree that if they were fake that it would be more likely to baffle Dunn, but I also think he'd be baffled either way so I don't put a ton of stock in it.

I disagree that it’s “nonsensical” but that isn’t the only reason. It’s just suspicious to me, how much effort he’s putting into derailing Matt wagon but seeming indifferent to Mylo. It could be NAI though but I really doubt that the former is though.

Yes, I am more baffled by the fact that Dunn has no idea what she’s upset about. She is so intensely hostile towards him, how can he possibly not know why - if it’s genuine - is my point.

katsuki referenced that whatever the thing is with dunn is related to an ongoing so they can't talk about it (ironically, that in itself is a reference to an ongoing, but I guess that's veiled enough it's kosher? i don't make the rules)

That part I got but Dunn genuinely seemed confused about it. But I don’t want either of us to get into trouble with the mods, so we can’t really speculate on it.

[Ankamius]

Idk I can't be sure about any of this

But I have some confidence that I'm wrong on up to two townreads if in wrong about any of them, which is unlikely

This gamestate favors scum regardless of activity level.

[Ankamius]

Basically I don't like the wagons

But I don't have any one person I want to wagon instead so I guess we are stuck with this

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nosferatu and Sakura are probably not scum together

Nos + Mariar is my guess right now, but one might be replaced with Kokichi

But Nos voted mylo and early. So that would be a hardbus. Do you really think scum hardbusses their roleblocker D1 in a game with probably only 3 scum in it?

[Brian Skies]

Which seems like he was trying to give off the impression of a generic read, and it didn't actually feel that way for me.

Generic should be genuine.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Nosferatu and Sakura are probably not scum together

Nos + Mariar is my guess right now, but one might be replaced with Kokichi

But Nos voted mylo and early. So that would be a hardbus. Do you really think scum hardbusses their roleblocker D1 in a game with probably only 3 scum in it?

why do you think there's only 3 scum in a 17p?