OPEN 732 : PICK YOUR POWER X/Y (GAME OVER)

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Enigma

Because I can't figure him out

[ceejayvinoya]

To be honest you'd be a good lynch right now .. i'd rather not be paranoid about you WIFOMing us. If town please obvtowning it up as soon as possible.

I guess I see your point. We'll have to watch ruru.

why would he be a good lynch exactly

Because the below assumption assumes that Oka is town.
If Oka is scum then he could have said that stuff because he knows they didn't coordinate.

I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

Then why don't we just label Oka as null and go elsewhere for now? Since what he said could both be town and scum motivated.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Skitter30

Highest number picked is a scum pick

You think scum would willingly guarantee themselves a goon role?

I imagine skitter knew fully well he wasn't getting a power role there.

Some people like me prefer vanilla townie. But I haven't heard of anyone yet that prefers vanilla scum to a PR scum.

I think it's brass' rvs vote and you're reading too much into it.

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I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

let's not

Is this how you normally are?

Because your tone rubs me the wrong way. I feel dismissed and belittled.

Uh if I'm understanding this correctly, you scumread ofrhz because he dismissed you and belittled you?

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: brass

Hahaha we all played ourselves. Nobody picked 7.
Okay if Oka is town he makes a good point about coordination.
I think we can safely assume that no two people with the same number are scum together.

That said not sure why he'd assume they picked 1.

1 is a ballsy pick. It's like picking 7 and we were all too cowardly to pick 7. I think ruru is town because he wasn't afraid.

I don't know how useful this is, maybe later on if massclaim becomes a thing, but each of us knows for sure that:
- if we got our choice it means nobody above us in the order picked the same X/Y pair.
-if we didn't get our choice it means somebody above us has one of the X/Y pair we picked.

But I picked the same number as you? By your logic (if you were town) that scum would all pick different numbers, why wouldn't you be suspicious of me since there is a higher (random) likelihood I could be scum?

But I know I'm town, so probability says...
VOTE: BuJaber

This post is pinging me.

It's like you were just looking for an excuse to jump onto the BuJaber wagon.

I don't really understand how you got to the conclusion that he's scum just from your post.

[ceejayvinoya]

My vote is already on Enigma and I guess it stays there.

[ceejayvinoya]

Uh no. Since scum would already know the numbers that their partners picked, it would be less likely that they got the same number as someone.

Though if were considering numbers from one to infinity, it wouldn't matter and it would be negligible.

So yeah, I'm of the opinion that analyzing draft picks of numbers and trying to figure out if scum would pick same numbers or different ones would be exhausting and not very helpful.

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Heeey. Reding backwards.

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i am confused?

if you're PGO i'm not really sure why you would announce this unless you were trying to like purposefully not get visited. although if you're town i guess that's probably be the point

Not sure why one would pick a PGO if you were town anyways, considering likely more town PRs than scum PRs. Wouldn't town just choose 1 shot vig?
Plus wtf would ruru, as first seed, choose from that pair?

Ruru could always be vengeful scum and trying to get us to pl her?

Uh I sorta understand.

Town!ruru being on top spot means mafia will prioritize killing her because they think she has this powerful role. Now that she claimed, I'm sure they'll have second thoughts on if visiting her is actually a good idea.

Now we just have to know if this is scum!ruru or town!ruru.

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I think BuJaber is town. I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't tryhard so early in the game.

@Sando - what is CJ?

Rude. I'm a black mage sir. Townread me or I'll cast meteor.

[ceejayvinoya]

but do wagons really indicate scummy behavior? if anything its townie to want to drive this game out of rvs as soon as possible and running people up can be a good way to do that, turning the game into analysis rather than jokes.

we are right now in a weird spot where it appears some people are still in rvs mode and others aren't.

so my question to everyone is
do scum have a desire to keep the game into RVS?

My problem with Enigma wasn't being on the wagon. It's why he was on the wagon.

That reason why he voted BuJaber looked bogus to me and also looked like an excuse to hop onto the wagon, which I dislike.

Do you honestly believe Enigma believes his scumread on BuJaber?

[ceejayvinoya]

Uh no. Since scum would already know the numbers that their partners picked, it would be less likely that they got the same number as someone.

Though if were considering numbers from one to infinity, it wouldn't matter and it would be negligible.

So yeah, I'm of the opinion that analyzing draft picks of numbers and trying to figure out if scum would pick same numbers or different ones would be exhausting and not very helpful.

Too late, I've already exhausted myself.

I stand corrected. That was actually helpful lols.

[ceejayvinoya]

I very much doubt CJ is partnered with ofrhz, and I know he's not partnered with me. CJ is a very blasé scum when it comes to using powers or plans etc, and basically peaces out of that part of the game, I can't see him going along with this plan and being part of the double up. He would happily let his partners do what they want, so he could be solo to the 3's or the 6's, but I doubt he'd be partnered with a double up.

i really want that scum PT to be opened up ....

@ap: is this a fair assessment of scum!cj given jungle republic?

You'll be disappointed lols. Our pt was just mostly me sending nk targets to the mod. No daychat and pregame chat there sort of ruined planning.

Agree with Sando's assessment tho. I've yet to have a scumgame where I wholeheartedly cooperate with a partner.

[ceejayvinoya]

@skitter30 why aren't you voting someone?

also to everyone, meta changes lets not let it be our guiding reason to scumread/townread someone. especially if you think someone is not capable of doing x because of y game, they can improve and be able to do x in this game.

cuz i'm still getting a feel for things and not sure where i want to vote yet; i often don't vote (or don't vote seriously) till later on during day1

i can't really speak to cj meta but i feel fairly confident on the ruru meta tbh

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got it, my one and only game with him is jungle republic and all i can base my understanding of that assessment on is how he reacted to ap's plan in thread after the guilty

i'll check out that link at some point.

It's probably a better indicator yeah. Newbie with me the cop was basically a single word short of hard-claiming cop, CJs partner noticed it (as did pretty much everyone) and posted in scum pt during twilight of his lynch that CJ should kill the person. CJ was like "nah fuck it, ima kill this other guy", completely missing the cop thing entirely.

Basically, CJ strikes me as a great scum in game, but not one for following da plan, hence I think he wouldn't be part of a pair that picked the same number, but I think he wouldn't mind if his two partners paired up their numbers and left him solo.

i get what you're saying but idk if i would go so far to rule him out from potentially pairing up because of this tbh

honestly in a general sense i don't really think that the draft numbers should form the basis of reads (not talking to you specifically here); like it can def be a factor but it shouldn't be the *main* factor imo since WIFOM is inherently at play here

Without meta, what's your read on me?

Pedit: technically, it's over.

[ceejayvinoya]

I'm townreading skitter, and maybe sando.

ofrhz is town but that's mostly from tone

As for ruru idk

[ceejayvinoya]

I got a townvibe from oka tbh. So I found ausuka's gut read interesting.

Could be that oka is very good at threading the NAI line

I don't understand what you mean by treading the NAI line

Are you saying that what oka has been saying is mostly NAI?

[ceejayvinoya]

I got a townvibe from oka tbh. So I found ausuka's gut read interesting.

Could be that oka is very good at threading the NAI line

I don't understand what you mean by treading the NAI line

Are you saying that what oka has been saying is mostly NAI?

But then you expressed you have a townvibe on him, which is odd.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Oka
iso'd and actually im getting a gut ping here

VOTE: Invisiblity
iso'd and actually im getting a gut ping here

No analysis or sorting at all and were almost 10 pages in

[ceejayvinoya]

Idk what to do with invis. I'll just call him null. Oh well. Back here I guess

VOTE: Enigma

Pedit naa naa naaa i dont hear youuu

[ceejayvinoya]

Yeah I've played with vulcan before. He's an active player. Maybe he's just busy

[ceejayvinoya]

My tr on BuJaber still sticks; I like his answer to the question I asked him earlier.

[ceejayvinoya]

Skitter seems like solid town. She's working really hard for town cred if she's scum and I think the way she approaches the game is difficult to fake.

Fixed it for you

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Why is sando on your scum pool tho

[ceejayvinoya]

Idk what to do with invis. I'll just call him null. Oh well. Back here I guess

VOTE: Enigma

Pedit naa naa naaa i dont hear youuu

OK. This looks like a bad vote to me, but I want to gave an explanation before I make a push. Please explain in you own words what was going through your mind when you posted this.

Simple. I tried to put pressure on invis with a vote and see what happens. Nothing much happened so I went back to Enigma.

[ceejayvinoya]

Catching up.

UNVOTE:

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

How so?

[ceejayvinoya]

Finally vulcan is here. Arghhhh

Any gutreads @vulcan?

[ceejayvinoya]

i could have sworn i responded
i was going to say i was waiting for a vulcan prod
VOTE: ceejay

???

Hey Invis

Mind telling me what this is for?

[ceejayvinoya]

I sort of understand Vulcans paranoia on me atm. On both of the previous games I've played with him, I got lynched on D1 and I was town

[ceejayvinoya]

i don't find vulcan's vote on ceejay scummy

Same

[ceejayvinoya]

Catching up.

UNVOTE:

I actually feel like engima flip might be the most beneficial for town atm but we have times still so whatever

How so?

because wagon dynamics brooooooooooooooooooo

Spoiler:

Explanation unclear. Ended up looking for the dynamics of a wagon.

Spell it out for me because I'm a bit dum.

[ceejayvinoya]

i didnt want to put enigma at L-2 yet because that heads in the direction of a lynch

I'm very interested in seeing your reads.

[ceejayvinoya]

y=mx+b

enigma if u dont find a viable lynch u become the viable lynch

Why does this feel wrong to me.

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: invis

L-1 yeaaaah

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: vulcan logician

im tired and want to put my vote somewhere and he has the least amount of posts

/logic

This guy must be town.

[ceejayvinoya]

How does that give Sando townpoints?

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Shoulda said "gamsolving brooooooooooo".

Anyway, I have this townlean on both Oka and Sky.

[ceejayvinoya]

Spoiler:

how about we just do some good ol fashioned scumhunting without the setup spec

pretty sure ausuka is in this game more than invis is, brass.

Invisibility is in this game?

VOTE: Invisibility

I'd rather have the pressure vote on someone I forgot was in the game than Ausuka who I at least remembered.

this kind of reads as awkward distancing

id hope that people would talk more when they are mentioned

also i don't see how this has anything to do with scumhunting

I'm scumhunting, I'm just not confident enough in any of my reads to make cases.

Plus, I find its very hard to form a read on someone if they are not participating in the game.

That's just me, though, I might be crazy to want to base my reads on like content.

I don't like the Enigma wagon, Enigma's ISO has some good questions, and good thoughts. That's a town ISO as far as I can tell.

Vulcan Logician promised more content in 240 and never followed up, I'd like to know why. I know the dude only has 3 posts, but they include him claiming he's a fairly active player. I will allow him more posts before making an actual read, but it makes me uneasy.

Invisibility is scum.

BuJaber, I'm leaning scum on.

I'll find the last scum tomorrow or something, going to the beach now.

first brass has no strong scumreads to explain away his pressure voting inactives, yet 30 posts later he conjures up a confident scumread on invis. where did this newfound confidence come from?

VOTE: invisibility if theres more to get from this lil dude I wanna see it. Joinin my mans okapoka ArrArrArr.

okay seems like cardi was basically on the invis wagon for pressure, which by itself is fine

I mean wasting a town investigator on him for a night.

We flip him because he is unreadable

All Im sayins is

0 other votes on invisibility oka be like "this bitch off the table"

3 other votes oka be like "oawww less lynch em"

Looks to me like nothin changed his mind! Skitter skitter talked abt why his content bad... I though she made sense (as usual )... okadude didnt even seem to noticed it, you knowwha Im sayin.

I don't like how Cardi throws shade at Oka's vote after the hammer but joined the wagon directly after Oka's vote

I didnt like how it interactit with his own reasons, obvissly I didnt think it was a bad vote in general?

cardi then tries to scumread for his "inconsistency" in joining the invis wagon, when i think it was pretty evident oka was mainly on the wagon for pressure (which incidentally, is also the same reason cardi was on the wagon), i.e. oka was NOT on the invis wagon to "less lynch em"

for reference, oka's vote was in 784

as a bonus:

currently townleaning brassherald and Sando

i could totally see invis doing a "townlean your scumpartner and another townie" here

as another bonus, if we lynch cardi, i don't have to read her posts

VOTE: cardi

I like the reasoning here, ofrhz. Although you have the chance of being incorrect in your speculation, what you've said certainly is an eyebrow-raiser. I'll hop on the Cardi wagon.

VOTE: Cardi

I wanna hear from Ceej, too. I still have some uncomfortable gut feelings about him.

I'd love it if you can mention something else on me other than "oh ceejay is so towny he must be scum".

[ceejayvinoya]

Why the f is Skitter being wagoned

I'll catch up in a bit.

[ceejayvinoya]

Like Enigma said, it's best to wait for what the others have to say.

Okapoka, Bujaber and Sando all feel like town to me.

Vulcan is maybe town? I'm not very confident in reading him but I'm seeing town motivation on his posts.

Skygazer and Ausuka are probably town.

[ceejayvinoya]

cj began the game being reasonable and stuff

now he is being quiet and not pushy and not generating much content
+scum killed ruru, a content generator

thus

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

yeah he l-1'd but whatever cj isn't pushing anything. his agenda appears to be xd lul which was invis' agenda just with a little more effort

Sorry about this btw. I tend to slack off when I get townread

[ceejayvinoya]

My lynch pool right now is Cardi/AP. Also may be willing to lynch Vulcan but he's a hard null for me so I might need some convincing.

I don't really believe that AP's hammer clears him, since invis flipped goon. Invis was practically being a liability and if they were scum together AP may have took advantage of the moment and bussed him there, since he knows Invis doesn't have a night action anyway.

Pedit heeey Music

[ceejayvinoya]

This isn't spontaneous ruru? Wow.

Vulcan AP and Ausuka should post more

Hey guys. Sorry I haven't posted. Very long and busy day, and I'm too worn out to parse through the thread. Bad timing for the first game day. Tomorrow I will be able to devote a few hours to the game with a fresh head, but I gotta get some sleep right now.

I'm a fairly active player, as some of you know. So no worries in that regard.

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What are you trying to say there, Ceej?

Only that you used to be more of an active presence in game and it's bothering me. I've seen you play as scum and town and on both of those circumstances you were active.

I've never seen this lurky side of you before and not sure what it implies regarding your alignment.

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since he knows Invis doesn't have a night action anyway.

He would have been assigned the KILL, since scum can't use their action AND kill at the same night!

Nice try though.

You all could be an all goon team for all I know.

[ceejayvinoya]

What are you trying to say there, Ceej?

I think he's trying to defame all the slots he can.

And curious to know why you saw it like this. I didn't even state anything on how that represents Vulcan's alignment at that point. Even Vulcan himself had to ask what it means...

VOTE: AP

[ceejayvinoya]

*looks at draft position*

Lols why bother

[ceejayvinoya]

Definitely sure AP is lying tho. I'm not seeing anything at all from him that indicates he's the doctor.

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*looks at draft position*

Lols why bother

You didn't fail to get doc/RB though correct?

What. I'm not doc/RB. Okay?

[ceejayvinoya]

also dont tell me you guys actually submitted nothing at all

I submitted vengeful lols. I didn't get it.

[ceejayvinoya]

Kinda agree with Cardi tbh, (and sort of slapping myself for not thinking it) yeah let AP live since scum has to sort him out if he really is the doc.

VOTE: Vulcan

[ceejayvinoya]

Kinda agree with Cardi tbh, (and sort of slapping myself for not thinking it) yeah let AP live since scum has to sort him out if he really is the doc.

Leaving him alive without sorting seems...bad. Scum leaving him alive keeps up out of the loop, they still want to kill him if we massclaim, they only have 2 kills regardless, and we're gonna narrow the Vig down significantly.

Butbutbut he's a potentially a doooc. That saves peopleee. And wastes scums NK.

[ceejayvinoya]

Uh @Sando JK is already dead...

[ceejayvinoya]

Agree with skitter here. Eod vc yesterday says Vulcan has to be town. I think Cardi is last scum.

[ceejayvinoya]

Agree with skitter here. Eod vc yesterday says Vulcan has to be town. I think Cardi is last scum.

But skitter also says she thinks you are the last scum in the same bit

Heeey I didn't say I agree with everything! Only that specific part...

[ceejayvinoya]

VOTE: Vulcan

[ceejayvinoya]

Interesting. What exactly made me a "safe bet"?

[ceejayvinoya]

Oh this is over. Lols.

GG Skitter. You we're amazing here