Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

[Gammagooey]

Hey everyponye
Hello everypony!!!!!

Excited to play with you all!

VOTE: gammagooey

you seem v. excited

should I know who you are b/c alt-shenanigans or are you a mystery to everyone

VOTE: rb

[Gammagooey]

Are we doin' it? Are we going to sacrifice one of the five to see if they're all scum?

If so, then that would bump our claimed miller down to the third sacrifice of the game.

don't make me disappointed in you

have a little more confidence in AndrSpy than that

tho rb as lolgut-scum is prob as close to a real vote as I'm gonna get before another

15

20+ pages of content happen overnight so if you wanna make an interesting wagon happen feel free to hop on

[Gammagooey]

Fire prob isn't suicidal enough to duel this early as scum but I'm also prob going to vote no winner b/c fuck him literally to death for dueling this early

Only read to pg7 but I'm out for a while

[Gammagooey]

US is pretty obviously scum tho.
Probably with kats, which sucks cuz that means keepin fb alive

Vote no winner with me

I agree with literally nothing you just said but vote no winner with me anyway if you think that, it kills FB and Kats
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Good news I read the rest of the posts

VOTE: No winner/Neither

For real though ALL OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS should go skim dynasty warriors mafia if you want to understand wtf is going on this game

The only way we get a lynch is if literally nobody duels before someone hits majority which is not gonna happen for a long long while

[Gammagooey]

fire's posting actually does look pretty damn town

if he would agree to not duel anyone tomorrow I'd be p. okay letting him live

i agree with the things I think Spiffeh said about Kats (in that he should die and that he'd be doing this dumb fakeclaim bullshit as either alignment)

[Gammagooey]

also since this'll be near the top of the page

READ DYNASTY WARRIORS IF YOU WANT TO GET THE MECHANICS OF THE GAME: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17567&start=0

highlights include a 3rd party and scum both dueling before I could b/c I had an ability that made my duels not end the day, a scum vs scum duel that powered up one scum enough so that it was nearly impossible for town to win from that point onwards, a death miller that got vigged before he could claim and the town (including myself) being very bad pretty much all game.

[Gammagooey]

Hi gammagoey!

I feel Spiffeh is very townie rn

yeah he looks p. town

[Gammagooey]

Gonna go ahead and say this:

If I win a duel, the day will not end.

With that said, we can chainlynch people today.

we get double day. you can only duel once a day. It works literally exactly how my role did in Dynasty Warriors mafia except presumably you don't have an extra roleblock on top of your duel not ending the day. Also, we had a vig in Dynasty Warriors mafia. sure does look familar with dgb dying doesn't it

If I was actually voting 100% on what I thought would be best I would have been voting Fire to win but I didn't think it would actually happen given how anti-town dueling that early was, and I vastly preferred Neither to Kats living b/c he had done literally nothing alignment relevant.

people I kind of want dead at the moment include: Princess Celestia, Vecna, and stungun but I don't have any confidence in my reads with it being this early on

[Gammagooey]

@gammagooey, is there any particular reason you want me dead right now?

your play just seems like someone trying to get townread/someone trying to play 'correctly' more than someone trying to lynch scum

your mariaR read being entirely on Fire/RC's reads doesn't feel great and your #152 feels like an overreaction b/c with 28 people there was no way this game wasn't going to be people doing really stupid duels early on

[Gammagooey]

I'm gonna be going off of mostly memory for probably the entire game b/c it's pretty much already too big to go back and find shit I want to bring up easily

So I remember several people mentioning a scumread on UnrealSeal - why? he's not ULTRA-TOWN but seems like he's being pretty transparent with how he's feeling about the game and that feels pretty good to me

I'd agree that Antihero's posting doesn't feel great yet

Something to note is that it seems like we've got a lot of repeating roles from Dynasty Warriors, but some of the alignments are going to be shuffled around - MariaR's "I just win when someone duels me" ability was from a 3rd party multi-lyncher, Fundamental's was mine (town), there was a dayvig (though Vi-town's was public that game), and there was a scum role that redirected all actions including duels away from them that would HAVE to be lynched normally instead of using the duel mechanic. That last one is reeeal important to remember in case it's on scum/3rd party again.

I'm not super thrilled with Fundamental's posts aside from his readslist but I also don't think he should die today so shrugs. I do want him to get a claim from whoever he's seriously considering dueling before the duel starts though.

Last thing is I don't remember if I mentioned this earlier but Skygazer feels really town for how she went about claiming

[Gammagooey]

oh and I can actually bother voting someone i GUESS

VOTE: stungun0404

[Gammagooey]

porkens why are you being a fuckwit

[Gammagooey]

so one of the things talked about a lot in post-game of Dynasty Warriors was that a role that had a way to cancel shitty duels would really help the game a lot

so if anyone's got one of 'em probably speak up before the 24 hour mark so we can actually use Fundamental's literally free lynch

[Gammagooey]

I don't think that's how it worked last game

but who fucking knows

[Gammagooey]

@SpyreX - what happens if a duelist dies mid-duel

?

[Gammagooey]

you wasted a FREE FUCKING LYNCH dumbfuck

[Gammagooey]

There is no such thing as a free lunch. You are fooling yourself.

I dueld antihero.

Spiffy, i hear your ask.

there's a CLAIMED ROLE IN THE GAME that doesn't end the day when they duel

LITERALLY EXACTLY LIKE MY ROLE IN THE LAST DUEL GAME

fuck yourself

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: Neither

Wait for both Antihero to come in and actually play the game a little and people to stop in and potentially say if they have a way to stop the duel before actually hammering this

and also remember that duels work on plurality, if we don't have the full 13 or 14 people majority it's perfectly fine and you don't have to hammer something you don't think is a good idea just to make the game function

[Gammagooey]

oh a disaster really

maybe you should have thought of that before dueling

[Gammagooey]

it's a 28 player game where literally every town player has the ability to fuck over the game at will

granted I didn't expect these people in particular to be the ones fucking it over but shit like this was bound to happen

do you have any reads LLD

[Gammagooey]

fine

porkens full claim now or i'm just going to vote antihero to win even though I think he's more likely scum than you

[Gammagooey]

LLD please turn caps lock off.

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: porkens

Ciao for now

VOTE: Antihero

[Gammagooey]

if porkens doesn't face some consequence for his stupid fucking shit then some other douchebag will just fuck us over again tomorrow b/c they think they can get away with it too

a full claim from him is the lightest thing we can possibly ask for

[Gammagooey]

I'm going to go do something I might actually enjoy instead of keeping up with this trainwreck

please don't hammer anything through until tomorrow sometime, if I come into the thread tomorrow afternoon just to see a 3rd stupid duel happening I'm 100% just giving up on the game and voting neither for every duel that doesn't involve Fundamental's ability

[Gammagooey]

OK SORT OF CLAIMING:

I need scrap. I'm fairly confident that I need scrap more than anyone else in the game, although I may have competition from <redacted>.

Me getting scrap sooner rather than later is important, especially with the apparent number of deaths per night.

Antihero may be some of all y'all's friend, but there is no town value there. And, yes, there are scumtells from Antihero too.

long and short: VOTE PORKENS

k

VOTE: Unvote

Consider my vote on Porkens to win
Not actually voting until tomorrow b/c I'd really, really, really like the entire 48 hours for the lurkers to actually show up and play the game.

p-edit: I don't care about the potential spookiness of 3rd parties with 5 dead town and no dead scum yet

[Gammagooey]

words

Is it just me, or does this post have give off scum!vibes?

do you want a response to this or do you not really give a fuck?

it'd mostly be a bit on why I'm a little paranoid of you for your early play and then an explanation on why I keep bringing up Dynasty Warriors so damn much, so if you don't really care about either of those I'm not gonna waste both of our times and clutter up the thread even more

[Gammagooey]

actually can u respond for everyone else if not for fundamental theorem?

ya sure

btw - I'd say I'm good at scum against people who have never actually seen me play scum before, and then somewhere between average and a garbage-fire against people who have btw - I put a lot of effort into playing regardless of alignment but feel a lot more restricted when scum by trying to avoid putting anything that I think people would scumread me for in my posts

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for

Fund

& others - Fund, you've got a ton of posts early game that feel like they say nothing except fill space or hint at how good your role is for town, you said that Decepticons were scum at one point, and as I mentioned before given that a lot of roles from Dynasty Warriors seem to be reappearing I'd be shocked if a few of thems didn't have their alignments flipped. I think that for the most part you've been playing fairly pro-town since the early game, but I don't want people to give you a complete pass on being scum b/c of your ability.

Two things about dynasty warriors that I want people to pick up on
First, that literally EVERY duel started by town that game was on another town player, and the only time regular scum (there was a 3rd party idiot who started a duel and got themselves killed) EVER started a duel was to duel their partner and get them an ability that would pretty much cement their victory b/c most of the players didn't vote Neither. For this time, I do agree with LLD that scum aren't going to jump through a noose to give their partner ability this early, but that's not going to be the case closer to lategame, and people need to not be afraid to vote Neither if they think there's a reasonable chance that scum are trying to win their scumbuddy an ability that could win them the game, and at some points if you think there's a good chance of both duelists being town it might be better to have them both claim and actually get a good PR out of the deal - the final nail in the coffin duel was people lynching the player who could stop night from happening entirely after he got dueled by another town player.

Second, some abilities in the game DO affect duels, and people should be aware that people with what seem like very OP abilities could be scum and might need to actually be LYNCHED instead of dueled later on. Not 'oh let's duel them again, it couldn't possibly be more than one-shot', you have a physical lynch when the playercount is low enough and competent enough so fucking think about this shit lategame b/c I don't expect to survive to it.

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: Porkens

[Gammagooey]

UnrealSeal, stungun0404, Lady Lambdadelta

why do you townread these people

[Gammagooey]

tbf I get why people townread LLD but frankly she's one of the best players on the whole damn site of making a big show of doing pro-town looking things and being genuinely emotional about people doing scummy/dickish/retarded things and then using that to argue for how town she is

[Gammagooey]

rad

@Spy - Can you confirm if Princess Celestia was scum/a survivor/something else or no?

[Gammagooey]

@Spy - Can you confirm if Princess Celestia was scum/a survivor/something else or no?

All I can confirm is that does not match the town color for flips.

probably either the or a scumteam. if you wanna make flavor guesses on their abilities have a thing, but focus on reads more than that please

from a transformers wiki: As so many battered, bruised and beaten Decepticons can attest, if you confront one Dinobot, you confront them all.

The group's members are:

Grimlock (the leader)
Slag (the bad boy)
Sludge (the dim one)
Snarl (the quiet one)
Swoop (the sensitive one)
In some universes, they occasionally gain extra members, who have included:
<some others>

[Gammagooey]

LLD is not only posting protown arguments but doing so when she would, as scum, not have incentive to do so sooooo... that seems kinda town to me

oh hey look it's LLD arguing she was town in my last game with her for doing that and then eventually winning as the last scum left

Spoiler: 2 LLD posts from her-scum

@LLD- because taking the high road sets you up way, way better for the future and I think 80+% of all good scum players that don't think they're fucked from who they replaced would take that for townpoints over taking a quick lynch, that if town, will make them look horrific and likely get them lynched in the next couple days

like what are you suggesting you do exactly instead as scum, just not bother catching up at all for a week straight? Hammer Arc after I got you to read her iso? Like town-you is pretty unlikely to do either of those things I think and both reck and I have played with you before and would think it's weird for you to do it I think.

Gamma, you don't understand.

Arc was hammered when I replaced in.

UT retroactively counted my unvote to put Arc at 8. I didn't NEED to vote Arc... she was already dead, he just did me a favour more or less.

idunno her catchup seems really natural :/

LLD's been playing mafia for a long time and especially when just catching up I don't see why she wouldn't just post her legit thoughts for the most part as scum

is there anything in the catchup that you think scum wouldn't also think/post about?

as both alignments I am required to catch up and provide content to not be lynched in a game like this

however, only as one alignment do I hold an obligation to attempt to revitalize the town in any manner.

I've been a huge advocate for allowing Towns to drown in their own apathy as scum for

years

.

So I'm just curious why you think that as scum I would do what I did instead of doing a rapid catch up that focuses on a few easy key points and take the low road, get a quick and easy lynch and move forward from there?

like I don't even have a particularly strong scumread on her but she does not have enough actual reads out for anyone to justify a strong townread her right now.

[Gammagooey]

Gamma is scum

I really don't think so.

I promise you 100% this is Gamma scum.

Do you really think that me thinking you could be scum here after you rolled through Product Placement mafia the way you did is impossible?

[Gammagooey]

@LLD- a game with a 3 week long day 1 and actual lynches is very different from this clusterfuck

it'd prob be closer but I can't really push people to vote for who I think is scum b/c they're not being dueled right now and I'm not confident in Antihero being scum. He's probably a better lynch than Porkens but it feels more like a random lynch with an okay chance of hitting scum.

and you realize that this is real life day...3? of the game? If you look at Product Placement mafia my reads were pretty garbage until like the 2 week mark when you replaced in.

[Gammagooey]

You have 6 whole deaths to draw associative tells from and people voting left right and center and talking about their reads.

Just because the game is accelerated does not give you an excuse.

3 [DGB/Fate/Princess] of those had a combined like 15 posts but that's kinda fair I guess

I gave a few quick reads earlier but I'll try to do something a little more thorough if the day doesn't end by lateish tonight - the duel deadline is tomrorow at noonish my time.

I'd appreciate some more detailed reads from you too though, all I remember from you was calling the worst scum, saying that Porkens claim is 3rd party, and saying I'm scum (though I could have forgotten some stuff from you too)

[Gammagooey]

Dinobots are Autobots tho.

Yeah but like a subset
so multiball is more than likely

yeah from my glance at the wiki earlier it seemed like Dinobots were mostly separate from autobots and they'd have tiffs at each other ocassionally or something like that

my best guess is that it's either regular autobots vs dinobots vs town OR it's dinobots vs town vs like Optimus prime as a SK?

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: UnrealSeal

You bastard! I wanted to be first!

Hey everyponye
Hello everypony!!!!!

Excited to play with you all!

VOTE: gammagooey

Scummy.

Hi I claim miller

Our second sacrifice!

VOTE: Creature

Scummy

Found my duel target

Porkens why did you not duel any of the people you actually called scummy?

I'll be around before deadline tomorrow so I can be cheeky and
VOTE: Unvote
workin' on a readspost now

[Gammagooey]

pretty tired so I'm not going to go into too much detail on each of these, but feel free to ask about them and I should be able to get to answering sometime tomorrow (but it might only be like an hour and a half til deadline as a warning)

Skygazer I think is very likely town for how they claimed, and claiming innocent child if they win a duel is real unlikely to be a scum claim given that if they're still alive in midgame it's fairly likely people will want to test it out.
Spiffeh felt town
Toog's first post looks good and his thoughts generally seem genuine, slightly town
Garmr has a lot of good posts. I'd like to see a few more reads of his on players that aren't being talked about so much but he's a pretty solid townread for right now.
Brian looks like how I'd expect Brian to feel after how exhausting Product Placement Mafia was. Slightly town

Antihero's UnrealSeal read seems decently thought out at least, his LLD and stungun reads are bland enough that scum could easily fake them. I don't remember Gamma Emerald's posts well enough to say anything about his read there. His first post telling Spiffeh to "DUEL ME SCRUB" is the towniest post he has. I pretty much just agree with Spiffeh that nothing there would really shock me as coming from scum and maybe it's a little sunk cost fallacy-ish but I don't want to throw away what I think is a possible lynch on scum before they got situated in the game.
Porkens having a good ability as town and doing this bullshit to make sure he gets it makes more sense to me than him jumping into very likely death as scum after d1 turned out the way it did.

stungun felt really bad to me for most of d1 b/c a lotttttt of his posts just felt like scum filler, but his recent posts do seem better. I need to reread his iso pretty soon.
I agree with a lot of things rb says but his early game and drunkposting felt a little forced. If anyone has a POWERFUL read on him one way or the other I'd like to hear about it.

dram and vecna and prof fridays have done nothing that looks town yet and are in the <20 post club. I'd prob rate them scummiest to towniest as Fridays then dram then vecna, but I'd prefer any of them being dueled right now to Antihero/Porkens. BBT was also in the game and also looked slightly townier than any of them imo with his 9 posts but all 4 of their alignments are a crapshoot.

I still think Unreal looks okay (i'd say slightly town) imo but he's another player I should probably read closer into just based on how many people find him scummy
Creature I have no read on whatsoever and is probably one of the better players in the game so I'm pretty fine with him surviving longer just based on other people town reading him. Papa Zito is pretty similar except very slightly town but is also my favorite player in the entire game.

LLD feels like the same LLD that smoked everyone in Product Placement Mafia by putting maximum effort into doing obviously town-looking things but barely giving any reads at all until she feels like she has to. I'm not amazingly confident in her being scum but her immediately scumreading me after saying she's scum sure didn't feel help. Don't take my word on her as gospel but if you want any chance of catching her if she's scum you NEED to make her actually commit on several reads by midgame.

I think I left out a few players - Gemerald and Maria and the worst? I could probably form an opinion of the worst if I iso dug enough but for now they're all flat null. I've mentioned Fundamental in previous posts and I don't want to go into that more.

need to sleep, g'night

[Gammagooey]

LLD feels like the same LLD that smoked everyone in Product Placement Mafia by putting maximum effort into doing obviously town-looking things but barely giving any reads at all until she feels like she has to. I'm not amazingly confident in her being scum but her immediately scumreading me after saying she's scum sure didn't

feel good

help.

wording fix with what I put there before I half-deleted it while making the post

[Gammagooey]

***I'm not amazingly confident in her being scum but her immediately scumreading me after saying

she's

I'm scum sure didn't

feel good

help. ***
im going to sleep now

[Gammagooey]

YOU DIDN'T CALL ME SCUM YOU DIRTY LIAR.

for the love of dogs LLD

I implied that people shouldn't be townreading you as much/as hard as they are, and THEN you went into I'm scum and 100% scum and it felt bad
is that better

VOTE: Porkens

L-1

I'd personally like to run the clock out on this one to see if dram will actually show up to vote and see if Antihero has any last words since he said he'd be around today before deadline (3ish hours away)

[Gammagooey]

when anti flips town I'm power killing pork then the people on his wagon

words mentioning a readslist

while you're here actually, you chatted with Fundamental Theorem maybe more than anyone else this game

what's your read on him? I know he's got a role worth using and he's not worth lynching in the near future, but if you ignored his roleclaim entirely what do you think about his play?

[Gammagooey]

words mentioning a readslist

while you're here actually, you chatted with Fundamental Theorem maybe more than anyone else this game

what's your read on him? I know he's got a role worth using and he's not worth lynching in the near future, but if you ignored his roleclaim entirely what do you think about his play?

I'm of the opinion that we need to assume FT's town status for the time being, unless there is strong reason to believe he's scum.

thanks for the complete non-answer of what I asked I def appreciate it

i'm not asking b/c I think people should consider dueling/lynching him soon, i'm asking because I want a read from you with on some of the readable people that a lot of the game are ignoring before we go to night and people die and you no longer have to take a stance on them b/c they've already flipped

I'd take a read on rb too since he's got the most posts of anyone in the game

[Gammagooey]

I like rb and Fundamental Theorem for town right now

@Gammagooey

.

ok, thanks. like actual genuine thanks not sarcastic thanks this time

[Gammagooey]

on the off-chance I die my two strongest scumreads are stungun and dram

[Gammagooey]

aight

im claiming

I'm the dayvig and I shot DGB and Princess Celestia

since Fund is dead I'm willing to take a lot of input on how to use it today

you godamn fucker

[Gammagooey]

you couldn't wait literally 2 fucking minutes

[Gammagooey]

Actually gamma if u quick kill brian it will end the day and scum wont get in any kills

its either within the next 2 min or not worth it

I don't think its worth giving up an actual kill but do you think so

[Gammagooey]

I literally had my daykill posted and saw an unrealseal post and it's at too many people here at this point

[Gammagooey]

sigh

do we want to use my dayvig as a lynch or just kill someone and powerlynch Brian and get on with it

[Gammagooey]

@zito - her early posts felt like scum-DGB to me and I didn't think I'd have more time to go over stuff before the day ended. I considered Princess and stun then too but thought that since I was basically the only person to bring up Princess it would point too strongly to me and I think I was the only person openly scumreading stun then too

[Gammagooey]

it's too late at this point

there's bound to be at least another person or two watching that isn't posting yet

hell I did it when I was waiting for Spy to post the Princess flip (it was submitted right after Fundamental posted his Ircher should die read, but Spy wasn't online for a long while that day)

if we want to hope that literally every person online and voting is town and powerlynch Brian now AND have me shoot someone else then i'm fine with that

[Gammagooey]

I think so yeah

[Gammagooey]

k

FUSION BLAST: stungun0404

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: Gammagooey

[Gammagooey]

suck a dick dumbshits

[Gammagooey]

my

god

dog

this is the first game I've gotten to be a vig who actually got to shoot someone in all of mafiascum (maybe excluding marathons or something)

it feels so damn good

[Gammagooey]

i mean

given that it's v. likely two scumteams powerlynching might mean that one of them doesn't get a kill in

like it is kind of a concern that Porkens wouldn't get in action in still but

I think it's fiiine?

[Gammagooey]

k

FUSION BLAST: stungun0404

bad move man. but alas, i was kinda becoming disinterested in this game, so in terms of utility this may be the right move.

VOTE: Gammagooey

p.s. i told you all
i told you about those lurkers in the shadows maaaaaan

(also stungun if you're still reading you were fun to play with and I think you played pretty well, just that you seemed to focus on getting into people's good graces and looking like you were doing the 'correct' thing over scumhunting early on - I'm prob not playing in another game too soon after this but I hope I get to play or mod a game with you in it again eventually!)

[Gammagooey]

vote: gamma

I kinda wanna voice my displeasure for gamma not having shot UnrealSeal yet, but he IS hitting scum so...

er I'm in the game too, you have to include the gooey

you're not getting dueled and are not an eligible vote so naw

im glad we got to decide who the TRUE gamma is this game tho

[Gammagooey]

i think I want LLD to duel a lurker tomorrow and for them both to die

sky getting an ability would be cool too though

we'll figure it out soon. ish. If we can have like a real day where we try to make scum duel each other and let all of vecna/vax/dram have opinions instead of people jumping into nooses it'd be pretty good

[Gammagooey]

lurking scums gotta scum I guess

VOTE: Unvote

I'll hammer when someone I think actually looks town shows up to vote

[Gammagooey]

mm

toog you aren't who I was hoping for but you might do in a pinch

Have any reads you want to share first?
Unreal/dram/rb/the worst are all people I wouldn't mind opinions on

[Gammagooey]

if you want any chance of surviving through tomorrow LLD maybe start with giving some more reads instead of really fucking bad appeals of how your magical power role can save us

not really

I'd rather wait for more people to get here at this point

[Gammagooey]

Hi I’m several pages/maybe even a whole cycle behind but there needs to actually some level of hangtume between Day start and duel initiation or we’re going to keep lynching townies

today's probably going to be one too

if only we had some way of knowing that town would continually jump the gun with this stupid bullshit given this game mechanic

some prior game where we could learn from our mistakes

if you want any chance of surviving through tomorrow LLD maybe start with giving some more reads instead of really fucking bad appeals of how your magical power role can save us

not really

I'd rather wait for more people to get here at this point

I've already given reads, but you know what? I'm tired of you.

Shoot me instead and when I flip town, next time we play a game I'm gonna spam this post at you whenever you call me scum.

I legit don't know what I've done for you to bitch about except point out that this feels a lot like your scum game to me to people, and we're playing a game of mafia

and let's not pretend like I have a decent shot of living through tonight now please

[Gammagooey]

to be fair to Porkens he was up until like 3-4am my time last night, I dunno what time zone he's in though

but yeah wait for Porkens to get in and he can hammer

my best advice for tomorrow is to have LLD duel a lurker (I'd specifically prefer Dram as my first choice and Prof as my second right now, but a lot could change if they actually have a few days to post) and kill 'em both. I don't believe LLD gets this far up her own ass with how likely I am to shoot town when I've already shot at 66% (maybe 50/50 if you think Princess was a traitor or survivor or something but there are a lot of fucking kills for that)

LLD you're the one who went on this stupid gamma's 100% scum tirade to begin with
Own up to your shit and if you're town do your best to find scum and communicate it to other people without going ALL CAPS AtE in what might be the first relatively normal day all game

[Gammagooey]

LLD I've been legitimately trying to be less of a dick to you than I was in that game and it's felt the entire time that me scumreading you has been the emotional equivalent to you of me lighting your fucking house on fire and I'd like to play a game with you where we can talk to each other like human beings instead.

Please don't overdramatize how right you were or how terrible everyone is for voting Porkens over Antihero when Porkens hasn't flipped yet and frankly I still think he's town and that this game was bound to be tons of town vs town duels just like Dynasty Warriors mafia was.

I'm peacing out 'til later tonight, so if I'm dead when I come back good luck and good game

[Gammagooey]

so maybe

just maybe

we can all take a deep fuckin' breath

and relax for a minute. maybe even an hour or two.

wouldn't that be nice.

and then, if you think someone's scum, you can make a case on them with some details in it, and we can listen to it, and in maybe 48 hours or so, someone can start a duel then.

do you think we can manage it you guys.

[Gammagooey]

i'm not dueling you right now. i'm not shooting you right now. I know there was a role in the last fucking Dynasty Warriors mafia that redirected shit like that.

so for now I'm just going to vote you. If you'd like to make a case on why I'm scum even though I've shot a dinobot and an autobot, go for it.
VOTE: Lady Lambadelta

[Gammagooey]

It could be because I have an energon ability

it could be that there's a doc/bodyguard in the game like there was in dynasty warriors

it could be that both teams just thought the other would kill me

but again.
if you'd like to make a case and talk to me like a human being, feel free.

oh, you've claimed bodyguard. k.

[Gammagooey]

and again, like I was going to do yesterday before Brian dueled me

I'll take a lot of input on where my shot is going today. I'd prefer to shoot a lurker, and the best way to figure out which one(s) are actually scum is probably by chilling for a while and letting them have reads and push wagons and generally post.

I didn't do that one btw.

[Gammagooey]

So

I got a negative passive ability last night

did anyone else by any chance?

[Gammagooey]

It means I can't challenge someone to a duel today.

Not that I was planning on it but for the record.

[Gammagooey]

It means I can't challenge someone to a duel today.

Not that I was planning on it but for the record.

Is it what you got from winning your duel?

I got something else from winning the duel

like maybe that's a side effect to prevent the role from getting too busted? I dunno

I can still shoot though yeah

[Gammagooey]

i gotta go for a bit

remember plz no duels yet

[Gammagooey]

I'd suspect it's more like 3 on each team left. The bonus lnyches from fund's role were very fucking powerful, we apparently had a bodyguard to protect him the whole time, and we started with 28 players

We need either a crosskill or a duel where a scum of one team duels a scum of the other and we neither them at this point.

@fakegamma- spiffeh's looked legit town for the whole game imo.
rb significantly less so and just has about 200 posts but isn't an actual scumread either for me.

I think the best way to make a double scum kill possible is getting one lurker in particular to duel someone else under threat of me shooting them in the face. But again, like, time needs to pass and posts to be made by them first.

I'm skimming the thread and then prob letting it breathe for the rest of tonight if I don't see anything else I want to respond to - votes are encouraged, duels are very, very much not so.

VOTE: dram

[Gammagooey]

i'm gonna be voting for rb to win this one

I'm also going to shoot one of <dram, prof, vecna, vaxkiller>

if you want that to not be you I HIGHLY RECOMMEND POSTING

[Gammagooey]

actually if we have one more person online we can just power lynch again

me+porkens+rb+prof+unreal+gemerald+???

[Gammagooey]

How about we don’t power-anything

And I really really really want you to shoot dramonic

i mean

i don't think toog is town after doing this, I think he's either hoping to ride on the Porkens train of 'look at me dueling isn't it so town' or just desperately needs an ability for his team to have a chance for whatever reason or theoretically he could be scum with rb getting him a sweet ability but I don't see it personally

[Gammagooey]

scum have fakeclaims having a decent claim means nothing

this is honestly the first duel in the game I don't think was TvT

I actually have shit to do tonight so I'm letting my dog out, checking back in to see if we want to get rid of toog as fast as possible and kill someone in like 10 min, and then regardless I'm leaving until like midnight and frankly I'd rather sleep once I get home than keep up with this

so powerlynch toog or wait until tomorrow, it's gotta be basically unanimous to powerlynch with the people here, otherwise we can deal with all of this tomorrow

[Gammagooey]

lmfao

you fucking instaduel hours into a day and then you say

"the system really discourages scum hunting."

Because is already shit. It was shit once everyone agreed to let people slide and not take a stand on the day 1 duel, or offer reprecussions for Porkens killing a town player and then disappearing.

It stopped being a mafia game a long time ago.

we did kill firebringer you know
and we're down to 13 players. how many cop results did you think you would even get off with two scumteams and kills flying everywhere. And I don't know why you think that the right solution to the game being screwy is to acknowledge it while intentionally making it worse.

@rb you get to choose either energon or scrap - scrap gives you an ability similar to the character you killed (so potentially you could get a cop-like ability)

be back tomorrow, don't get too close to lynching before I get back. seee ya

[Gammagooey]

SO i vote for who I want to live right?

yes, you vote for the winner of the duel (you can also vote for Neither of them to win the duel, which kills both players, as you can see from Firebringer and Katsuki dying day 1)

Before you proceed further, please look to the date that the game started

then back to me

it's been less than a week and we're on our fourth game day because people keep immediately dueling town and none of us are happy about it

yes you can get some very good abilities by winning a duel

but none of them will matter if you put us on yet another 48 hour duel deadline, force the day to end, and we throw your body in the pile with firebringer and brian skies and frankly Katsuki because he thought it was a better idea to fakeclaim as fast as fucking possible instead of doing pretty much literally anything else after Fire dueled him.

I'm a claimed dayvig, and I have shot DGB day 1, Princess Celestia d2, and publicly shot stungun d3. I still have a shot today. I am very willing to listen to anyone who wants to put together a case for another player being scum, but I personally think that the best strategy for scum in this game is to either lurk hard enough that people would rather duel their 'real' scumreads and leave you the hell alone, so I'm leaning towards shooting a lurker today.

[Gammagooey]

Ive read like 3 pages of the game and I still see US and prof are obv scum.
How bad are yall seriously.

tell that to the people opening days with duels

I did, but it didn't stop them :<
Gamma can shoot tho.
actually what happens if gamma shoots a duelee?

they die, day ends, other player wins

so frankly there would be no point over just voting the other player to win unless someone was dueling me or I both very strongly disagreed with everyone's choice for the winner and for some reason couldn't convince all of ya'll AND thought it would be more likely to hit scum than shooting outside of the duel.

[Gammagooey]

Ive read like 3 pages of the game and I still see US and prof are obv scum.
How bad are yall seriously.

dram can you bring up a few of Unreal's posts and tell me why you think he's scum

b/c I've heard it from you a ton but I still don't know why you think that

[Gammagooey]

tbf to Vecna I also thought that Porkens might have killed LLD but I didn't really care because LLD still looked pretty damn scummy to me and was getting to be incredibly godamn toxic and if she hadn't died then I'd really not be surprised if she started another duel with me

[Gammagooey]

@Vecna- yes, but I can also PM them to Spy privately instead of doing it publicly, which I did on d1 and d2

DGB I specifically wanted to not look like it came from me b/c I was heading out for the night, it looked like the duel had a very good chance of ending before I got back, and I didn't think I had a good enough handle over the game to risk shooting who I thought was the most likely scum, it being connected to me, and then dying n1 and still probably only having a crapshoots of a chance of hitting scum that early in the game. I did think she looked like DGB scum from the few posts she had but I hadn't mentioned her in-game.

Princess I cared a little less about that, and shot pretty much immediately after Fundamental mentioned that you needed to die b/c I thought Princess had an actually bad first post and her not even showing up after I tried to engage her (him?) really early on was way worse than you mentioning that you needed to catch up. Then he asked for a prod on her and she posted saying she needed a replacement before Spy showed up for the day and thought that the only way I'd change it was if Spy messaged me asking me given the replacement, and then that even if he did it didn't really seem right to change it just based on Spy messaging me mayybe meaning she was more likely town but probably being flat null.

[Gammagooey]

You are setting up Day 2 to be shit by basically allowing anyone who didn't have a preference on the duel to be allowed to get away with killing two players. If they both flip town, scum have basically just helped kill 2 town players without having to do much other than ride the free bandwagon.

Force people to pick a side. Why murder everyone right away and hasten to the end game when you can develop better reads by requiring people to take stances on each death that happens.

Multiple Duels can happen in a single day. If you don't like what happened to a singular flip, re-duel the survivor before day ends and get more reads through vengeance.

Okay can someone sanity check me cos toog's play feels really town to me but I don't have much confidence rn

First, that's not how duels work
Second, if it weren't for the duel I'd think toog was fiiine, probably a little on the scum side of null but I wasn't planning on pushing for him to be in a duel today and I probably wasn't going to shoot him. Like 80% of his play this game just feels like bitching about it instead of trying to play it, and the other 20% (voting for Fire over Kats early game, mentioning that Unreal is fine and the other 3 lurkers can all die, voting for Antihero over Porkens) all feel like posts that are really easy for scum to make.

Also, this post of his + dueling now is frankly one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen a player do in a game

Spoiler: toog post

Porkens has been playing Mafia long enough to know exactly what he's doing... as any alignment. Psychologically, he could be gambling on the idea that town would read a town motivation in his actions, regardless of whether he is town, scum, third party, or alien overlord. His duel is selfish and anti-town.

Vote: Antihero

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I'd like to propose that we do duels against lynch leaders from now on, not whimsical tantrum duels. Duels should be someone who hasn't dueled before against a plurality lynch target, before they are hammered, preferably against foregone conclusions, or at least as close as we people are willing to wait.

Two days have now been lost to discussion in a 28 player game and have been drawn to the focus of maybe less than 10 people in total. There are no associations to find, no stances being made, and town bodies continue to pile up.

So consider me voting rb to win, but I could be wrong about toog or rb or both and I'm not a good enough player to lynch every scum here without other people's inputs. rb in particular could theoretically be a member of another scum team - I have a slight town read on him, but I'd really appreciate pretty much everyone going through his posting (maybe skip the drunkposting sections and just call that null) and letting me know what they think.

[Gammagooey]

@gamma

So you just have an innate ability, you didnt need scrap or energon?

yes, I don't need scrap or energon for my dayvig ability.
I brought up Dynasty Warriors mafia (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17567&start=0) approximately infinity times in day 1 and day 2 to try to give people a better idea of things like 'what happens if people just insta-duel instead of letting the extra town lynch role (which was me in that game, Fundamental Theorem in this game) do his thing', 'what kinds of roles exist', 'how often will scum start duels on town' (borderline never unless they think they can get something great out of it for themselves or a scumbuddy), 'what kind of counters do scum have against the extra lynch role and the dayvig' (a non-duel powered redirector there that also worked to redirect duels away from them - maybe that's still here, maybe it was a doc+something for the autobot team)

[Gammagooey]

who are you likely shooting before day ends gamma?

haven't decided yet and need to get life shit done today and have stuff going on tonight too, so I won't be deciding before either late tonight or potentially tomorrow morning.

[Gammagooey]

I think we're at 5 out of 7 on rb right now

so like bold an

intent to vote rb

or something but probably nobody else should vote him until I send in a daykill

I'll prob do it late tonight (I'm in EST for reference) rather than tomorrow if we've already got enough people who want rb to win

[Gammagooey]

I'm like a tiny bit concerned of the possibility of this being scum v scum from different teams but I don't think it's likely enough to act on

rb if you don't mind could you claim exactly how your commuter works now? I don't mind if you keep the energon version of it a secret but I would like the old version as public knowledge in case you're scum and there's a role out there that could confirm that it's not what you've claimed it to be.

[Gammagooey]

Vecna (and everyone else) you may as well mark me as town, I will be proving it later.

what reassurance can you give me for this not being just a way to hopefully not get daykilled today?

[Gammagooey]

@vax: like you seem to be hinting at role shenanigans but scum need to have some fairly powerful shit to balance out my+Fundamental's roles, doing a fancy role thing isn't going to put you at 'oh he's town'

Spy posted your replacement announcement right before day 2 ended and we went into the d3 duel with me and Brian - did you skim any of the game before you replaced in or were you around for any of day 3 trying to catch up? Like it's reasonable that you missed it given how fast d3 in particular went but only showing up after the duel started d4 would be a pretty reasonable strategy for scum who wanted to not get any attention and risk getting random dueled.

Tbf I think your posting here as been fine so far though, so don't do anything rash. I'd like to see like your top two scumreads with your reasons why sometime today/tonight though.

[Gammagooey]

<to vax> I'd like to see like your top two scumreads with your reasons why sometime today/tonight though.

Actually if possible I'd like this from everyone - the readslists are nice but given the amount of scum in the game it's really easy to hide scumbuddies in the big chunks of town/scum that are probably left in the game. Whereas top 2 scumreads with reasons will probably be a lot more helpful later on assuming that we take out a few scum and still have a chance of winning in another game day or two.

[Gammagooey]

Well I definitely have one hashed out: should I out it now or do both at once?

doesn't really matter to me

if you do one now and one later quote the first when you do the second so it'll be easier to read back over

[Gammagooey]

Official Duel Count

rb

(5): rb, Porkens, Creature, UnrealSeal, Prof Fridays

Toogeloo

(1): Toogeloo

Not Voting

(8): Vecna, Gammagooey, dramonic, Papa Zito, Gamma Emerald, Vaxkiller, neither, Spiffeh

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to declare a winner.

Note: I am about to get on an airplane, I'll be around at deadline, but you guys seem to like to party hard the second I'm not available for things like sleeping so just FYI

yeah pretty true

I'm killing someone in the next 15-45 min so if you want to pop in and say a word or two feel free to do so

[Gammagooey]

ok so

dram is yes pretty bad and I'd be suuuper fine with him dueling someone tomorrow (preferably after like 3 days or so have past so I can actually get a full 8+ hours of sleep for basically the first time this game has fucking started but still)

but noticeably, I had him as my other top scumread with stungun d3 (who I shot immediately in the face) and yet I'm not dead and by the looks of the other kills it doesn't seem like any scum even tried

and if he is scum and his team has a protective or reflective ability (if this is true he'd prob be a dinobot since stun flipped some form of doc but the specifics don't really matter) they'd sure as fuck use it on him. so yeah I'm not shooting him today.

vax is getting by today because his posts are on the good side of fine. Papa Zito is getting by like at least 75% because I just really like him as a human being but seriously PZ where the fuck are your reads man vecna's not wrong when he's saying you're unreadable.

Fusion Blast: Gamma Emerald

Yeah it's not one of the 4 people I said I'd kill today

but I think Vecna's right when he said that this doesn't feel like GE's town game, the ONLY thing I see in his iso that points to him being town is him mentioning that nobody's paying him any mind, he never bothered posting a 2nd scumread despite this game being at 80-something pages with probably 6 total scum left in it, and several people are mentioning him as a top scum read when I didn't have him on my kill-list, which if they're town they genuinely believe he's scum for what I think are dece reasons, and if they're scum, even with him, they don't think I'd kill him today and they'd have a better position for future days by doing it.

And that's all aside from tons of his posts feeling like excuses or filler, and basically all of his posts regarding the porkens vs antihero duel and today's duel feel like scum trying to look 'correct' and set up for later in the game.

If I die to some borderline psychic redirect bullshit then again gl and gg, but I don't think I will. and sorry if I'm wrong but shit I asked for TWO scumreads and you couldn't even do it man.

And since it'll probably be a while before the flip happens, for anyone reading, have a song to spend some time.

[Gammagooey]

ok gammagooey is 100% town by transformers fluff

zero chance of being SK

Spy would at least seriously consider giving my role name as a fake claim to a scum/SK

If you use any reasoning like this ever again this game and we lose the game because of it I'll tell you to fuck yourself in post-game

[Gammagooey]

its not your name, its something else i saw you post

unless like you did some mega next-level meta, you're for sure town

i legitimately don't know wtf you're talking about but sure whatever just don't use flavor bullshit for anything except a player's abilities being either reasonable or not for that character

and even with that it's gonna be real hard to figure setup shit out with 9+ dead unclaimed townies with mystery roles

[Gammagooey]

toog do you wanna actually put in some effort to convince people that rb is likely scum because *look at these posts he made* before you die or no

[Gammagooey]

PEdit: Nope, everyone's pretty much made up their mind. We aren't really playing mafia after all anyways, it's just ... I don't know ... not mafia. I'm taking a queue from Brian. I went big or was going home, and you all are fooling yourself if you thought that no one was going to duel today.

I legitimately don't understand how you could take a cue from Brian dueling me and dying as anything except telling SpyreX to fuck himself for making a game with a weird mechanic and maybe naively hoping that the players would use it intelligently

but as everyone in it learned in Dynasty Warriors the players who most think that only they can save the town from everyone else are the most likely to be completely wrong and full of themselves

And sure if you're town I get that this game probably isn't the most fun to play in given how little power people not in a duel have to actually lynch scum, but you couldn't even duel a consensus scum read like I think you yourself suggested to try to get your power online? You made the choice to duel man, you could have pushed for rb as scum to me and maybe I even would have shot him if you put enough a good enough case for it. This isn't an all-daykill game, you made the choice to force everyone else to lynch either you or your top scum read and you gotta be aware of people's opinions of you both and figure out if it's really worth forcing everyone to make that choice.

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: rb

[Gammagooey]

hey i didn't lose everyone the game by only shooting 50% so far

that's nice

also vecna isn't a dinobot

[Gammagooey]

i dunno

but spiffeh doesn't push him like that if he's his scum partner

[Gammagooey]

I need the other constructicon to have energon so prof duels someone next

Can I ask why? I will say this makes some sense with my Energon Ability, which solidifies my town-read on you more.

Prof you should probably claim what this is.

[Gammagooey]

I think he might have been an inventor? https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Wheeljack_(G1)

Gifting his scumbuddies a daykill+something else makes sense to me

[Gammagooey]

i mean last night i think it's fairly obvious

autobots thought spiffeh was never gonna get lynched
dinobots shot what looked like another dayvig that was less likely to be protected by any other people in the game

[Gammagooey]

Holy crap I'm bad! At least the town reads on Porkens got him killed? Maybe?

*le oops*

I need the other constructicon to have energon so prof duels someone next

Can I ask why? I will say this makes some sense with my Energon Ability, which solidifies my town-read on you more.

Prof you should probably claim what this is.

All my ability is is a kind of Neighborizor. I'm VT otherwise (w/o Energon). I thought it was odd that a seemingly lame power required Energon, because there's no way it would ever be worth dueling for relative to almost any other power out there, so I figured some other kind of incentive for me to duel and get Energon made sense.

I don't wanna deal with sorta-half-claims man, esp. after Porkens did the same thing

exactly what does it do/how does it work

[Gammagooey]

k, thanks.

[Gammagooey]

testing powers this late in the game with 2 scumteams killing every night is reeeal dumm

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: UnrealSeal

So I think Unreal is dino-scum with spiffeh and I want him to duel someone today

Spiff had some very inconsequential dialogue with him early on, then jumped from town reading him to scum reading him d2 because he disagreed with Porkens potentially being scum which feels like a really easy way to distance when your scumteam isn't involved in the duel (and Spiffeh legit thought it was town v town I think), and then when it matters and I'm asking advice for who to vig yesterday Spiff comes around to Unreal being town if you put a gun to his head when I wanted people's opinions on who to shoot yesterday when he's a very consensus town read

I'm gonna pull up a few more specifics in a sec but lemme go ahead and post this before a LOLDUEL starts

[Gammagooey]

yeah like they're both suspicious of each other d2 (unreal sus more of spiff than the other way around until they argue about porkens being town/not town)

spiff uses dram's bad unrealseal read as a reason to want him dead

unreal is scumreading dram/vecna yesterday while spiff scumreads dram and Gemerald, and later in the day Spiff pushes Vecna but backs off his dram read

porkens team prob killed MariaR the night after she threatened to kill Porkens when Anti flipped town, which means dino-team prob killed Fundamental who said that day that he would have dueled Unreal if he had gotten a chance to

Like...I'm a little worried that it fits together a little too well and Spiff wanted to just interact with a town player a lot but with both of their scumreads on each other basically disappearing through d3/d4 when Unreal stops being a hot topic of conversation without any actual reason behind it I really do think Unreal is the best bet for a spiff-partner

[Gammagooey]

I already have my energon ability, Brian dueled me remember

[Gammagooey]

I think my dream duel for today is one of the following (where we'd basically be trying to force one dinoscum to duel the other and seeing if they refuse)

Unreal vs Creature
Unreal vs vaxkiller
Unreal vs Prof Fridays

Also I still have basically no read on Creature myself so if anyone wants to chime in with their thoughts on his play this game it'd be nice

[Gammagooey]

unreal vs prof might be more likely to be auto vs dino but I think it's plausibleish as dino v dino

If anyone has a real strong opinion on at least one red scum trying the same the other way around would also be a good plan, but Porkens iso feels a lot less informative than Spiff's.

I also don't think it's 100% insane that spiff would bus dram if they were scum together but I do think it's way more likely for him to be auto than dino

[Gammagooey]

in fact Gamma did you ever say what Transformer your role is named after?

I'm a Dayvig and the ability name is fusion blast - it's real not hard to figure out.

I'd be perfectly fine with an unreal vs dram duel, they're just incredibly unlikely to be part of the same scum team.

So like unreal what was your opinion of spiff this game and how did it change as the game went on?

[Gammagooey]

oh Megatron.

I thought Spiffeh was sus at first because he didn't seem to provide much of substance (mostly talking D1-D2), I did start to townread him in D3-D4 but still felt uneasy as he wasn't obvious town like rb or yourself.

I have no problem with dueling dram but I would rather wait until the others claim what Transformer they are (not what role they are, again).

I think we're one town player away from solving this game.[/quote]
you do know that scum have fakeclaims right. Given the fakeclaims in the DYNASTY WARRIORS mafia game I've brought up probably 10+ times. and that we can probably make a 50/50 guess at what Porkens fakeclaim was given his mentions of joining up for the mega-robot-thing, might do it in a minute

@rb - what makes you think that Spiffeh was more likely to bus his buddy than push someone he thought was on the other scumteam when I was in the process of asking everyone who I should daykill?

[Gammagooey]

oh Megatron.

I thought Spiffeh was sus at first because he didn't seem to provide much of substance (mostly talking D1-D2), I did start to townread him in D3-D4 but still felt uneasy as he wasn't obvious town like rb or yourself.

I have no problem with dueling dram but I would rather wait until the others claim what Transformer they are (not what role they are, again).

I think we're one town player away from solving this game.

you do know that scum have fakeclaims right. Given the fakeclaims in the DYNASTY WARRIORS mafia game I've brought up probably 10+ times. and that we can probably make a 50/50 guess at what Porkens fakeclaim was given his mentions of joining up for the mega-robot-thing, might do it in a minute

@rb - what makes you think that Spiffeh was more likely to bus his buddy than push someone he thought was on the other scumteam when I was in the process of asking everyone who I should daykill?

quote fix

[Gammagooey]

@unreal -
constructicons that make devastator are
Scrapper (leader) — right leg

Hook — upper body

Bonecrusher — left arm

Long Haul — lower body

claimed by Prof
neither of the last two really fit porken's claim of needing scrap more than anyone else

Mixmaster — left leg
Scavenger — right arm

I'd bet a dollar that Porken's fakeclaim was either scrapper or bonecrusher

not that it matters but like

scum each will have at least one fakeclaim, we're not going to win by finding all the robots that claim to be decepticons of a certain type.

[Gammagooey]

Hey I dont have a lot of time tonight but im claiming and if anyone duels after this, they are scum.

Im an executioner. I can kill as many people as I want in a given night. So if I can figure out 2 DEFINITE town reads I can duel someone, you guys vote me I get energon and I queue up my actions before hand. Insta Win.

Obviously this power would be crazy overpowered in the hands of scum because ... well... THEY KNOW WHO EVERYONE IS, so they can insta win on that night. Even in multiballs they cant lose with this ability. Town on the other hand... we can fuck it up.

Waht do ya say?

I figure I may as well and claim becuase this is the obvious choice. scum will be scared and may force a duel to combat this, but then it just outs them.. so win/win

look man, I'm not going to shoot you, but I don't believe you. And even if you are what you claim rb is already nightkill immune, as I've mentioned several times already there was a permanent redirector on the scum team that didn't require a duel to power up that would fuck up the plan if literally anything like it was here, and the entire point of this game and Dynasty Warriors was that there was TONS of overpowered shit on both sides to make it balance out. I'm not buying that all of a sudden you're the magic savior to everyone when if you had won a duel day 1 or 2 and asked for a doc protect, that alone would win town the game. Spy didn't design Dynasty Warriors in a way that it would work, and he wouldn't design this like that either.

[Gammagooey]

@Gooey, yeah I know Porkens was going to claim Scrapper (had to be Scrapper if he was going to go for the Devastator thing). I know scum have fakeclaims. Still, I think it's harder for scum to claim a flavor name instead of a role.

jesus fucking christ unreal

this was included in every regular scum role PM in Dynasty Warriors

F.)The following are not in this game:

Cao Pi, Heir of Wei

Xu Huang of the Five Generals of Wei

Cao Hong of the Eight Tiger Generals of Wei

Xun Yu of the Nine Courageous Advisors of Wei

the four scum's actual role names were:
Liu Bei, Emperor of Shu
Zhang Fei of the Five Tiger Generals of Shu
Guan Yu of the Five Tiger Generals of Shu
Zhuge Liang, The Sleeping Dragon

They will have flavor names that fit their actual character and abilities fairly well. Fucking trust me on this.

[Gammagooey]

i'm not actually mad about this one

at least someone finally fucking dueled dramonic so I can see if he's got the damn redirector power from last game

[Gammagooey]

im not going to vote neither for a bit and I'd appreciate if everyone else could also hold off until we at least know that the duel is between the two people we think it is

[Gammagooey]

i mean

if you're gonna try to go all out with this

go ahead and claim your role name/ability name too

[Gammagooey]

What did I miss?

another duel

but it's two sketch lurkers finally

also some claims

[Gammagooey]

Vecna (and everyone else) you may as well mark me as town, I will be proving it later.

what reassurance can you give me for this not being just a way to hopefully not get daykilled today?

I wasn't even aware that this would be a possibility at this point. If the situation is THAT dire I can take action to prevent this, but I kinda thought my actions thus far have been quite on point. I joined the game about 24hours ago.

what action were you talking about here exactly vax

[Gammagooey]

Also I had to ask if I could do that. It literraly just says my role is to execute someone. and I asked if that meant once I got energon I could do it multiple times and the answer was yes... it made my day TBH

maybe clarify that with SpyreX

and ask if it's multiple times

in one night

[Gammagooey]

he did claim

also are you ready for really dumb comedy

because I feel like I know what happened here

[Gammagooey]

pro tip:

You may use, unless otherwise noted, one A. ability during a cycle. A cycle is a day/night phase. So you CAN do something N1 and D2 for example, but not D1 and N1.

[Gammagooey]

so what vax's ACTUAL role is

is an duel activated vig ability called execute

which could be day or night unless it specifically specifies night

so that makes sense as either alignment given that it looks like Porkens had something similar

vax isn't red-scum tho

[Gammagooey]

this is kangaroo mafia at it's finest

it's a bad game of mafia

but it would make a great slapstick comedy schtick

[Gammagooey]

i am fucking calling this right here

dram and vax are scum with spiffeh

dumb

vax as orange and dram as red sure why not

but vax-scum dueling his scumbuddy instead of literally anyone else to get a vig kill (and what he thinks is potentially infinite vig kills to just win the game?)

duummmmbbbbbbb

[Gammagooey]

@rb: so red-scum have a doctor, what's probably inventor wherein one of the inventions is a dayvig, and another player that also dayvigs

i mean
Spy's a whimsical motherfucker

But uh no.

[Gammagooey]

yeah I'm def voting from dram to die

I'm leaning towards voting neither to win but I'm not sure about it - if vax does win his shot needs to be the first one tomorrow (before duels)

Do we want to massclaim here? Like it doesn't seem like we've got shit-else left except Energon abilities+my dayvig at this point

I didn't shoot LLD, only shot Gemerald. Like Porkens shows up and LLD immediately dies and he had gotten energon from winning the duel against Antihero it really doesn't seem particularly complex to me

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there's the fuckin' duel canceller I thought Spy would put one in the game

I'm surprised it's an energon ability though

[Gammagooey]

sometimes people take a day off of playing mafia ya know

no-one knew duels were gonna be this wayyyy

[Gammagooey]

papa zito gotta claim too

but yeah go ahead and claim

[Gammagooey]

and creature

[Gammagooey]

both please

only exception is if like you're a lover or something that's negative utility if scum knows about it just leave that the fuck out

[Gammagooey]

is it
zero times

[Gammagooey]

whaaat a silly game

[Gammagooey]

yeah

im skimming through pretty much the entire game before I make my shot and getting PZ's claim first so that'll be tomorrow sometime after I'm off work

creature where'd you go, getting asked for your claim and then immediately disappearing is a little sketch ya know

[Gammagooey]

oh last thing

PZ why'd you vote neither for the d1 fire/kats duel?

[Gammagooey]

nvm new things forever

@dram - can you find me what you think is the worst post/series of posts in Unreal's iso and tell me in detail why you think it's/they're bad in your opinion

[Gammagooey]

Can't I just quote his claim gamma?

you don't really have to it's fine

but whyyyyyy is that a claim from scum

[Gammagooey]

although @Unreal I do have another question for you too that I'd like you to answer while we're both in-thread, so let me know when you're around

[Gammagooey]

that's OP as fuk

it's reasonably op as fuck for either alignment as opposed to the clear 'this is a magic fairy tale claim' that vax's claim was

it's the million dollar question time rb

who da scumteams

you can have ONE 50/50 lifeline on ONE player on ONE team but a bonus $125 grand if you don't

[Gammagooey]

@Prof- did you look at any of Dynasty Warriors mafia when I was going on and on about it d1/d2 or after that? and if so when

also, what in particular makes you think vax is town instead of scum that felt backed into a corner by their partial claim of "I'll be obvtown" yesterday?

[Gammagooey]

Im trypticon, decepticon cityformer.
As an energon ability I can cancel a duel every day, which is lovely since yall just love your shit duels.

ability name plz

[Gammagooey]

@Gooey, I'm up now

what do you need to ask

who did you target each cycle with your attempts to get scrap

preferably in the form of
d1 submission: steve
d2 submission: bob
d3 submissioon: papa zito
etc

[Gammagooey]

seems reasonable

why toog d1

[Gammagooey]

@Creature, I'd rather someone we know is townie duel someone we think is scummy

I'm thinking Prof Fridays should go or Gooey should do it again since he eluded to having a protective Energon ability of some kind

actually wait

if you thought this why target me that day

[Gammagooey]

this game started with too many people and too many v. good town PRs for there to only be 3 scum on each team

also I'm looking for more like
steve's a dino because spiff ignored him all game
and george is an autobot b/c of how he and porkens played together
actually matching the people to the scumteam you think they're on

[Gammagooey]

@unreal- kk

that's it on questions for you thank you for your time

[Gammagooey]

poorkens has the swagger of 10,00f000 men

if hes scufm ill eat my dshoe

also rb

i don't know what a dshoe is but ur gonna have to find one

[Gammagooey]

princess celestia has a great iso, really telling information in there

her first and only post felt nervous and everyone ignored it except me and then she never showed up again after I tried to actually tried to get her to post a little more and I SHOT THAT PONY IN THE FACE

I was v. v. proud of myself

[Gammagooey]

I'm bonecrusher and I'm basically a roleblocker that needs energon.

i did ask for your ability name too

yesterday

[Gammagooey]

@creature- actually tbf you said flavor name/abilities and i asked for both

thanks thanks

[Gammagooey]

I'm bonecrusher and I'm basically a roleblocker that needs energon.

so you're a constructicon then right?

how did you feel about the whole porkens/prof claiming shenanigans

[Gammagooey]

Creature can you elaborate why you think im scum and why prof fridays is town?

I felt like you were playing to your scum meta and Prof apparently townslipped somewhere.

he really didn't.

like the worst did basically the same thing first but in reverse (thought he was a maf traitor b/c decepticon, whereas prof thought autobots were town and said that his role didn't have autobots in it)

1st person to go 'woooops I thought the factions was reversed' can get away with it making sense
2nd person gets glared at real hard

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What constructicon can do?

Porkens was claiming Prof was town solely because scum wouldn't claim constructicon when Porkens seemed to want all the rest of them either energized or dead

[Gammagooey]

Yeah I read over a lot and PZ still needs to get in here and claim, and people treating this like an actual mafia game finally and giving like READS and OPINIONS has been legit helpful

definitely going to be shooting tonight, not right after work b/c I wanna chill and actually play a videogame+hang out with a doggo for a bit but we'll get a spicy flip by midnight EST assuming Spy is around then

gonna go like actually do my real job and get shit done for the rest of the workday, see ya'll tonight

well zito's here, claim plz zito everyone else has already, then i'll peace out

[Gammagooey]

ok cool

TRANSFORM AND RISE UP (what I'm just driving back to base to get my fusion cannon I'll back later to check in on you don't worry about it)

[Gammagooey]

@Prof- did you look at any of Dynasty Warriors mafia when I was going on and on about it d1/d2 or after that? and if so when

I mean, I read your Dynasty Warriors posts, but I never went through and read the Dynasty Warriors game itself.

So you never checked out the role PMs?

[Gammagooey]

Vecna (and everyone else) you may as well mark me as town, I will be proving it later.

what reassurance can you give me for this not being just a way to hopefully not get daykilled today?

I wasn't even aware that this would be a possibility at this point. If the situation is THAT dire I can take action to prevent this, but I kinda thought my actions thus far have been quite on point. I joined the game about 24hours ago.

what action were you talking about here exactly vax

I don't think you ever answered this vax

[Gammagooey]

Thinking im gonna vote Neither today. Even if one of em does flip town, its not that horrible, and I dont see both of them flip town.

Goey, does this mod give role fakeclaims as well in his other games?

yes

In Dynasty Warriors it was role name that also matched up really well with what that characters actual abilities actually were

[Gammagooey]

So I think I'm just gonna air pretty much everything, if you disagree with me then go look up his iso and go through the game and say why.

I'm probably shooting Prof Fridays. I think he's dino-scum with Spiffeh. Going through Unreal's iso it looked like Unreal genuinely believed in his spiffeh read from his #364, but I didn't come to that opinion until after I had already read through a lot of old stuff with Prof and thought he was dinoscum anyway, so it's maybe a little confirmation bias but it feels right atm.

Spy posted the flip of Princess Celestia, the lurkiest possible player in the game and dino-scum, in post #1329. That's between his post #18 and #19. His actual content rate of posting skyrockets and he immediately makes himself a lot more noticeable in game.

I don't think that he's scum with Porkens, but it does feel like he sucked up to the known power role for a lot of the game and joined with Spiffeh to push him getting a power b/c he believed that Porkens was town with him and that he'd look good from his eventual flip.

He also agreed with Spiffeh for what seemed like a lot of the game but literally never mentioned him as an actual read, and the same's true of the reverse. This is the only post I found where he mentions Spiff's alignment even jokingly and it feels pretty bad to me:

Spoiler: Prof's post

The order in which I would shoot people:

Gamma Emerald
Porkens/Spiffeh/Dram (that seal read is bad)

I could totally see Porkens and Spiffeh be on the same team here. Spiffeh was low key pushing for Porkens to win the duel. Looking at the Porkens wagon, I could also potentially see GE being the 3rd remaining there.

Spiffeh did make an ok point that Dram does tend to lurk as scum at times. Not sure why he would ask for him to be shot over me, unless he's suspecting that Dram is on the other team.

Porkens (11): Porkens, Prof Fridays, Spiffeh, Gamma Emerald, Papa Zito,

Skygazer

, rb, Creature, Vecna,

the worst

, Gammagooey

Antihero

(7): UnrealSeal,

stungun0404

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Toogeloo,

Fundamental Theorem

,

Antihero

,

MariaR

neither (3): BlueBloodedToffee,

Garmr, Brian Skies

Not Voting (2): neither, dramonic

Quite a lot of holes open there up on that porkens train

No I was high key pushing for Porkens to win the duel

I WAS, TOO! WHY CAN'T I BE ON SPIFFEH'S AND PORKENS' SCUM TEAM, HUH??!

There's also his "townslip". But if he's dinoscum with Spiffeh, he skims his fakeclaim, sees it doesn't have autobot in it, and legitimately thinks that autobots are town until that gets corrected. Like especially with the worst having already claimed that he thought he was a maf. traitor b/c he's a decepticon, it seems real hard for him to still think autobots are town as actual town here.

And his play, especially especially especially his early play before the Princess kill, just seems bad to me.

FIGHT ME ABOUT IT. and if you use his claim as a reason to townread him after all I've said about scum having fakeclaims I'll seriously consider shooting you instead. If you want him to live, I want reads on his actual play.

[Gammagooey]

well, I'm taking my shot. bottoms up

Fusion Blast: Prof Fridays

[Gammagooey]

damnit.

I think the "safe" option is voting for vax to win

but it's really not a safe option

I'm not voting for dram to win but I feel like all I'm going on for vax being scum is him potentially lurking through all of d3, his claim fuckup being forced by his partial claim of being town earlier, and that a daykill would fit Slag pretty nicely

which isn't nothing and I was pretty much 100% going to vote Neither this flip before but shit man

[Gammagooey]

I just am man

Creature, Zito, got anything to say about vax/dram?

[Gammagooey]

I mean yeah

if vax is town he horrendously misunderstood his role PM, tried to get it clarified, and then also misunderstood the clarification in a way that also pushes him still being a town "mega-PR" instead of just another vig/dayvig ability
is that reasonable? More reasonable than in games that aren't this clusterfucky but ultimately

you decide

[Gammagooey]

VOTE: Neither

[Gammagooey]

unless i'm actually just right and it's vax/dram US/zito

for the record before the flip vax/dram being on the same team and dueling each other is still absurd in a known multiball game and I really don't get how you don't see that

unless they think the other scumteam is 100% dead they try to duel a scum on the other team if vax-scum duels as a gambit 999 times out of 1000

[Gammagooey]

sure is both scumteams trying to kill me tonight

[Gammagooey]

might have thought that the actual lynch flip included the nightkills

[Gammagooey]

gotta shoot dino-scum, Unreal's claim and the Fundamental kill fits, and might as well honor dram's last wish

pewpew

Fusion Blast: UnrealSeal

[Gammagooey]

p. surprised that dram had the duel cancelling ability as a literal city robot that only wants to destroy

but oookay Spy

[Gammagooey]

ah well

legit sorry for being shit at the game everybody

[Gammagooey]

like I guess it's possible that there's only 3 scum on each team? But I really doubt it

[Gammagooey]

don't think this does anything if its 2v1v1 but why not I guess
VOTE: Creature

[Gammagooey]

If I was going to duel I would have done it already and also dueled Creature

it is a little funny how the awkward multiball lylo might take just as long as the entire rest of the game tho

[Gammagooey]

no worries zito, frankly town shouldn't have been able to come back from that in a balance perspective unless we had actually killed the strongman scum

I was surprised at the tone of dissatisfaction I saw from a lot of people. I understand that not getting your wagons shifts the thought process, but the abandonment of hope seemed very odd.

This I agree with more than p. much anything else. town had noo chill this game

[Gammagooey]

no worries

zito

Spy, frankly town shouldn't have been able to come back from that in a balance perspective unless we had actually killed the strongman scum

I was surprised at the tone of dissatisfaction I saw from a lot of people. I understand that not getting your wagons shifts the thought process, but the abandonment of hope seemed very odd.

This I agree with more than p. much anything else. town had noo chill this game

derp

[Gammagooey]

If i were to do another duel game i think:
No multiscum
No neither vote
No uberrole

Anything else

i dunno

a neither vote feels needed in case scum duel each other for something that can just win them the game, we just happened to use it terribly.

no uberrole and prob not multiscum seems fine though
I would still want a duel canceller that actually works without having to win a duel though, even it's just one-shot or something. Too much hero complex stuff just tends to happen in duel games since people don't have much else of a way to push on their scumreads.

A 'refractory period' of maybe 24-48 hours after day starts but before people can actually duel would have also reeeally helped a lot

[Gammagooey]

@gammagooey, i’d be interested to know what made you dayvig me. it seemed very spur-of-the-moment, so what did you find scummy about my play?

I mentioned my reason for it after you died here: viewtopic.php?p=10341845#p10341845

But yeah I think you played pretty well, it just felt like you were more concerned with what other people thought of the game rather than you scumhunting on your own and trying to convince people of anyone in particular being scum and trying to get them dueled/lynched

[Gammagooey]

yeah sorry 'bout that DGB

looked like I wasn't going to get a d1 shot in unless I shot before I left for the night around the 24 hour mark after the game had started, and given the amount of town v town duels in the last duel game I preferred a semi-random shot to not shooting at all.