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Post Post #500 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:12 am

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I think I will nominate xRECKONERx, but I am not sure about that just yet. We can either ja or nein depending on what the town thinks.
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Post Post #501 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:30 am

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do it
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Post Post #502 (ISO) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:04 pm

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In post 501, xRECKONERx wrote:do it
This is a bad idea
Let mitilos pick you.
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Post Post #503 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:14 am

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I don't want Mitilos to pick me tho
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Post Post #504 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:22 am

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@Reck: Is this because you don't want me to be president, or because you want someone else to be chancellor with me? In both cases, why?
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Post Post #505 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:42 am

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because i dont want you to be president bc im pretty sure you're fasc
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Post Post #506 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:46 am

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Well, that came out of nowhere, particularly since it contradicts your post 466, but alright.
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Post Post #507 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:29 am

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i mean i guess it doesn't matter much if you're fasc as long as you don't get FFL or FFF?
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Post Post #508 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:57 am

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Considering the deck has more F's those are more likely than the other 2 possibilities.

Why do you think mitilos is scum?
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Post Post #509 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:00 am

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Well, if I'm not mistaken, that's a ~77.4% chance in a 6F3L deck, so I think you should really examine why you think I'm fascist, as well as evaluate Vij/2.718 and NR as much as you can.

p-edit: Ninja'd whilst doing calculations.
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Post Post #510 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:55 pm

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actually i remembered, it's because SS claimed a fasc result on you
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Post Post #511 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:50 pm

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I recommend looking at both our ISOs. I believe S_S makes it quite clear that he is a fascist.
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Post Post #512 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:16 pm

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You haven't even played a game (mafia or otherwise) with me before...
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Post Post #513 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:26 pm

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Not exactly a prerequisite here, and therefore irrelevant.
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Post Post #514 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:33 pm

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Since you haven't played with me, you don't know that it is :P

I mean, that's not reflective of either of our alignments. But saying that my alignment is obvious, from a perspective of already knowing my alignment, is pure confirmation bias no matter what I actually am.
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Post Post #515 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:00 pm

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Perhaps, but the thing is, I have already given explanations based on your words and actions. Even if I am falling victim to confirmation bias, others can evaluate said explanations for themselves, and either agree or correct me.
Incidentally, thank you for confirming to everyone that you are a fascist, by accusing me of confirmation bias. There would be no way for me to have confirmation bias for you being a fascist if I you were liberal, since I would be a fascist and would therefore know your alignment.
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Post Post #516 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:02 pm

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EBWOP: if you were liberal.
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Post Post #517 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:14 pm

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You know my alignment anyway.

That's the point.
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Post Post #518 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:17 pm

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Actually.

That could be relevant.

If Mitillos is Hitler, then from his perspective, there would have been, in his mind, a chance I was a fascist playing the long game. In that case, it would have benefited us both to throw ME under the bus and get HIM trusted. He might have thought that possibility remote, but it's worth pointing out that, at least initially, he may not have known my alignment.
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Post Post #519 (ISO) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:33 pm

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In post 518, Something_Smart wrote:Actually.

That could be relevant.

If Mitillos is Hitler, then from his perspective, there would have been, in his mind, a chance I was a fascist playing the long game. In that case, it would have benefited us both to throw ME under the bus and get HIM trusted. He might have thought that possibility remote, but it's worth pointing out that, at least initially, he may not have known my alignment.
If that's the case he and you hid it very well.

What makes you think inspi is town?
Why did you nein nsg+NM?

If you are town Reck would be scum by PoE. You haven't attacked reck.
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Post Post #520 (ISO) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:08 am

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I neined because the government consisting of the same two people was ja'd by every single player (and drew two liberals so that it showed nothing about either of them), and because IF the votes were close (the only situation where my vote actually matters), I would have preferred it not go through so we could talk about it.
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Post Post #521 (ISO) » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:38 am

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In post 496, 2 718281828459 wrote:I am just hypothesizing what the field would be like if Something_Smart were liberal and BuJaber and Mitillos were fascist.
It's like when you are solving a Sudoku, and you are stuck, and you make a guess on some important square, and either get to a contradiction or the answer. The consensus of people that post indicates that Mitillos and BuJaber are right, but I want to explore the alternative option since remember,
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Honestly, the opinions that really matter are NM, nsg and Reck.

We have two real disputes, SS/me vs. Mitillos/BuJaber and you vs. NicoRobin and given that our only president options are you, Mitillos and NR we can't really move on without resolving one of them and the people who need to resolve them are those not involved.
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Post Post #522 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:53 am

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Where is mallowgeno in this? Why does his/her/their/its/eir opinion not really matter? (I seem to get this idea that mallow is supposedly fascist?)
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Post Post #523 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:59 am

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In post 521, inspiratieloos wrote:We have two real disputes, SS/me vs. Mitillos/BuJaber and you vs. NicoRobin and given that our only president options are you, Mitillos and NR we can't really move on without resolving one of them and the people who need to resolve them are those not involved.
can't we just do the thing where we skip this one and then choose from the people that we can trust?
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Post Post #524 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:37 am

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Yeah, I just realised the obvious solution, we're guaranteed to see at least 1 Liberal if we skip.

There's 3 Liberals in the deck out of 9 cards, so skipping + 2 governments sees 7 cards, even worst case scenario that is 6F1L.

Skipping 2.718, Mitillos and NR, then going Reck/NM -> NM/nsg, means that absolute worse case scenario where there's 2 Liberals on the bottom of the pile we're still alive with 5F and 4L passed, so it's basically a LYLO between me/SS and BuJ. Even in the worst timeline where Reck is the last Fascist and he gets to bury a Liberal and NM/nsg get FFF they can veto.

In anything else apart from the worst case scenario we just win.

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