Large Normal 212: Korts' Geriatrics - Game Over @1831

[Eddie Cane]

mara, ray, rofl, kison

[Eddie Cane]

rofl and kison probs not both though so the others in mara and ray

writing pine off as town now

[Eddie Cane]

which should have happened yesterday, bah

[Eddie Cane]

V/LA til probably Saturday

[Eddie Cane]

I guess the lynch is Kison or Rofl

wtf are these claims though and why have Mara and Ray made 0 relevant posts since subbing in

[Eddie Cane]

actually Pines right, having a night to think about it I think Kison has to be town here. If Rofls scum, then he'd have had to do a jank ass double bus. Rofl town is pretty damn unlikely but if hes town Kison has still proved hes tracker and that would be some ridiculously bad luck, regardless Kisons attitude yesterday and today is town enough.

so I'll be voting rofl I think, but Mara and Ray really need accountability

[Eddie Cane]

old man, who's the third?

[Eddie Cane]

lmao

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at the very least don't finish lynching me until we force rayfrost to say something please this slot has no posts

its almost like I said this yesterday

[Eddie Cane]

You got a guilty on you son. Stop distracting.

[Eddie Cane]

chill he didnt spam that much lmao yall are so serious

[Eddie Cane]

not really no

[Eddie Cane]

I hate this game

[Eddie Cane]

old mans still town. ginngie and kison still pre town. idk if it's as easy as ray and mara but that's where I'm at.

[Eddie Cane]

if you guys waited like he asked we might have some content

[Eddie Cane]

its almost like someone claiming to be roleblocked + a claimed roleblocker = useful info :O

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@old man, if you want me to vote ginngie / outside mara + ray in general you gotta do a hella better job than that

[Eddie Cane]

how is ginngie pseudocleared? shes town on play, not mechanics.

[Eddie Cane]

- scum roleblocker is 1 or 2 shot and out

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also mara is the rb claim not ginngie

[Eddie Cane]

clarify your conclusion?

[Eddie Cane]

you forgot pgo claim

[Eddie Cane]

pgo is neg util..

[Eddie Cane]

I'm either doing ray or no lynch I think. Mara is the only other lynch I see myself doing. I'm not gonna say that I'm completely not considering the other 3 but words not a problem for today.

No lynch doesnt really have any cons but it doesnt have any pros either. I'm generally just against it as it let's scum dictate, unless both prs are town and theres no current scum rb shots. Shrug. Maybe it's good here cause of the PRs, I'd not scream it down but I think I'd rather do Ray.

Ray wheres that promised content famskies

[Eddie Cane]

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VOTE: Ray

[Eddie Cane]

nobody's posted in 5 days fucking disgrace

[Eddie Cane]

yea I'd rather see the modkill atp

[Eddie Cane]

to an extent, but also his progression on the slot and attitude about it beforehand.

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UNVOTE:
still probably vote here.

[Eddie Cane]

confirmed town, as a scum PGO would use it's role to lure in powerroles, rather then claim it in the first post and likely be lynched over it.

not a thing btw

[Eddie Cane]

eeeeeeeh

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I'm thinking about it, hence the unvote. it's kinda shit tho. more later

[Eddie Cane]

Magna townread me and OTM is a useless player I'd never shoot lmao

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VOTE: Old Man

I fuck with this rn

I think it's still Mara and New Guy fam

[Eddie Cane]

I'm working 14 hour days I'll make time soon but can yall not be dumbasses lmao

[Eddie Cane]

that's @ ginngie and kisom

[Eddie Cane]

mechanics: we lose if old man is town and we lynch him for "the plan", disregarding Mara being both town and successfully rbing. that goes without saying, but old man is a TR and I really don't love how quickly someone subbed into lylo and gave a crap case and the thread shifted completely. I concede its possible he's scum, especially due to him being still alive despite being a strongish PR that also is one of the few players not being horse shit (not that his play is great), and if we hit a partner and I'm still alive I'll consider it, but there's no chance I'm voting him today without something damn better than whats been stated. especially with my being stated as the partner. the suggestion entirely hedges on hitting scum today and I don't get why that's being treated like a given.

If you really want to test roles, I say we no lynch and have Mara roleblock Michael. We lose if they're both town, but somehow I doubt that's the case. Old Man can also act tonight, so if Michael's as confident as he says then we could have Old Man target him instead of Mara. This should satisfy his Old Man issues and satisfy my Michael issues. I'd rather Mara, but if people think Old Man / Eddie (or Ginngie or Kison) is a possibility das fine.

[Eddie Cane]

- Eddie is scum blocker, Ginngie town blocked it.

Don't think that's how NRG works, would have still gone through I believe btw.

Rayfrost imma be honest, is probs scum with the double flake scum tell

yet you're lynching Old Man

RayFrost has not posted

despite picking up his prod

, and has been prodded again.

the important line

his voting my slot despite claiming to prefer modkill

unvoting changes nothing, playing around modkills is a bad guy move

and the fact that scum were happy to kill stronger players, yet he was still alive.

thank you

The first three nightkills all expressed suspicion of Eddie at the end of the day before they died (Hito in #912 and to a lesser extend #915; Magna in #1462; OTM in #1526, #1537, #1544 and #1545)

Hito's hesitations on me were shrinking and I was not in his top pushes, and speaking of Lycan we went over this D2 and D3. Magna explicitly said he townread me, you quoted him threatening to PL me despite me being a TR if I kept up being a better player than him. OTM, sure.

Both Old Man (#94) and Tywin (#99) came to Eddie's defense with regards to the early bandwagon.

and one flipped scum, but okay.

And I'm clearly not there with you given that you were a solid scum read for Hito and

in a world where Lycan is Town

you make tons of sense for the reason he's pushing up daisies.

too bad we weren't in that world because unlike most of the thread I know how to play a game of mafia. I would make a ton of sense if Lycan was town, I had just super hard pushed a cop claim lmao

Regarding OTM: That's why his nightkill was surprising to me. It didn't fit the pattern of scum killing strong pro-town players, but with 3 explicit (Old Man, kison, pine) and 1 implicit (firebringer/momrangal) powerrole claims, it doesn't fit powerrole hunting from scum either. The best explanation for his nightkill would be if his posting spree from #1526 - #1545 was pretty close to the mark.

I believe in NKA pretty strongly so I'm not going to tell you to discount it, but he was the most active poster in the game by far and if scum played to cause apathy (makes sense with nobody playing the game before you subbed in) then it fits. that's how I see it. but yea, its an odd kill.

[Eddie Cane]

Its not new that scum sub into LyLo and tryhard, RC alone has won like 3 games I've seen doing it. It is really not hard to conf bias a case.


The way Cooldog posts makes quoting annoying so cba, but I encourage people to ISO him. His only votes are Hito, Pine, Hito, and KMD. He did not push Tywin, but he did push and shade almost everyone who's flipped town.

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And I don't want to make it seem like I'm not considering Michael as town, I'm thinking about what he's saying, but I find it ridiculous everyone posting (note: not Mara) is flipping so quickly.

[Eddie Cane]

Tbh to me it's mainly

hey this micheal person actually had some good to say

and Old Man's performance has degraded so much that I can't accept it.

and set up spec.

Also we can't No lynch because if mara dies to the plan, then we'd lose 2 people at night and mafia gets majority.

Plan can only work if you do a scum lynch correctly today.

yea ig doesnt work with town mara cause regardless Michael's partner can do the kill
hng

[Eddie Cane]

which of michaels points did you find good ginng

like what compelled you to go from wanting to lynch him to wanting to lynch old man

[Eddie Cane]

setup spec is the only thing pointing at scum om ya

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Nah, just processing

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kison and mara are probably voting for old man, hope I'm wrong

probably still voting Michael

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and honestly, Michael's content has been fine. lylo content ismt enough.

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not a hammer

shrug

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fuck it, it's been a few hours and I have no time during the week anyways

VOTE: old man

[Eddie Cane]

mara targets Michael if this reds. if it greens it's probably michael and ginngie. I still think this is out if ginngie dcum range though.

[Eddie Cane]

if its town and the game doesnt end mara is town, because otherwise town would just be endgamed

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lmao I told yall pj was a scumfuck

gg

[Eddie Cane]

maras role let's us kill pgo without dying, so the best case scenario scenario for you is a draw if the pgo king makes for you.

[Eddie Cane]

SK is in favour of town. You can call town underpowered, but mafia was underpowered too, we had a 1 shot role and a PR that is relatively useless and there are 2 more unaligned people than the norm. When you add a 3rd alignment, of course winrates drop, because 3 different parties can win instead of 2 so a balanced game would leave each team winning 33% of the time instead of 50%. SK hurts mafia significantly more than it hurts town, especially without a scum doctor.

I agree the setup is not great, but stacked for an alignment is not something I'd agree with.

An ability with no choice at night is a passive ability

Commuter being compulsive is a thing. It is weaker than an optional commuter, but making commuting compulsive is not some weird new thing, its pretty common. Commuting is an active action, not a passive. It resolves first in NAR but it is not passive. So, I would hope and expect the passive role disabler would not stop a commuter.

The Role Disabler was put in the set-up specifically to counteract the PGO. This very fact in turn makes the PGO even more anti-town than it was at the offset, as the Mafia can ignore it completely so long as the Role Disabler remains alive.

The Strongman role counters the Doctor, and the Role Disabler role counters the PGO. This is too many "counters" to a Town with such limited ammunition. I think the set-up would have been much better if the PGO an the Role Disabler were both simply not in the game, an the Town instead had another minor power role.

PGO is a neg util role, its meant to cripple town. Its with miller and ascetic. Taking away the neg util is +town ev, then adding another minor role is even more...


points 3 and 4 from PJ are very true and probably the biggest issues here.



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game wise, scum thread'll be released but it was pretty simple. I was salty asf at the team I drew (no offense fire and tywin), probably the worst two scummates I could have got in this playerlist originally as we were all the newest people with the least influence by a significant margin. I don't think I had a single active teammate through all the replaces. PJ made this game super unenjoyable for me at a time, it was mutual and I don't think it was intentional on his part but blah blah caught for the wrong reasons whine whine doesn't matter.

The biggest issue with why this game became so apathetic was the fucking deadlines. I guess this is why I don't play geriatric games, I'm not happy with people posting once every 3 days and taking a month to decide on the lynch but that's my fault for /inning here. I tried it out cause it was a bomb PL originally. FWIW, @Math you were killed a little because you were the only player suspecting me but I was super confident I could talk you out of it. I thought you were the doctor and thats what your insistence against mass claim was (and btw I genuinely think mass claim was optimal there), and on top of that you were the only active player left and killing off all of the voices town had made the latter part of this game super easy.

Can ya'll not fucking sub so much like jesus fucking christ its not fair to anyone

[Eddie Cane]

havent had time to read the last page,

If theres a spectator and or a mod thread could that be released too please