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[Irrelephant11]

and what "question" is evedyone asking about rn?

Pretty sure this is about the question I asked tchill D1?

[Lalendra]

Prod received. I'm V/LA weekends (see my sig) so don't expect me to be active then. I catch up on Mondays when I'm back at a computer full-time. Anyway-

Irrelephant is a brilliant, tryhard player who plans and schemes and min maxes. I highly recommend giving our game together as scum a skim, as well as our pernicious little scheme thread. Essentially, he's capable of faking every bit of effort or "townslip" or whatever that is normally alignment indicative, so it's impossible to read him for any given post. He must be read for perspective/contributions/thought process/tone under pressure/etc., and asked to explain everything. Really a joy to play with!

In post 79, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 67, TWAIN wrote:
>>64
>well if you were scumreading me for not giving a reason, and then I give a reason, are you still scumreading me? If not, then yes, you should move your vote
The matter of the fact remains you didn't give an answer initially. Yeah it's a flimsy reason, but it's more of a reason than the sea of nothing I have. I find Tchill ignoring you regarding that statement a non-issue. I can understand people saying things just for the sake of it early on.

On an unrelated note, is there a way to actually quote inside the quick reply box? I use the above format because I hate changing pages.

My point isn't about the strength of your reason to vote me originally. I'm saying that if you're no longer scumreading me, you should stop voting me.
Separately, scumreading someone for not providing a reason is bad play. I'm townreading you for it because I don't think scum makes that kind of bad play, but my lack of reason is just as likely to be for reactions, to generate discussion, etc. (all of which it was and is - notice how much AI content has come from it) as it is to be hiding how I'm going for a mislynch. The latter is actually much less likely, imo, because scum usually feel some pressure to provide reasoning to look towny.


In the same post explaining that you like to vote people for pressure, you ask someone why they would continue voting someone they may not necessarily be scum reading (on page 3)? Scum POV nervousness about being caught!

VOTE: Irrelephant11 Serious.

Can you elaborate on your thought process here? You say that he can't be read for one post, and must be read for all these other things, but then you vote him based on one post.

[Irrelephant11]

Re: that question

tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town. I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town. I would love to have answer to both of those.

Honestly I think my vote is still best on nsg, given her known tendency to lurk as scum. her only post was a prodge. kop you should join me, make it a wagon

[Lalendra]

VOTE: Nauci

I don’t like how in the same post they give a description of irrelephant as an excellent scum player who can’t be caught by a single post only to then claim to have caught them by a single post. You gave no reference to their Town game and to me it reads like you trying to say “hey this guy’s dangerous as scum and you won’t be able to catch him, but don’t worry because I know exactly how they work and have already caught them for you!”

townleaning alchemist

for the record Nauci has done this to me as tvt before

But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?

Also nauci am I really your scummiest read in this gamestate?

I'm liking alchemist for this post. Not sure how I feel about Irrelephant saying "nauci has done this to me as TVT before" - it almost seems like setting us up to believe that scum theatre is actually just TVT tunneling.

[northsidegal]

hello hello hello!

first of all, i kind of think that nauci is town here. i know that mathdino had some secret tell to read her and i'm trying to think about if i'm remembering it right here, but i still think she looks pretty town anyways. why are people voting there? (@kop and @mumble specifically)

[Irrelephant11]

lol I would be scumread for that
I bring it up to avoid mislynching nauci. A lot of people are scumreading her for what's basically her boilerplate "Irrelephant and I are playing together, let me warn everyone" post that I sooooo looooove

I think it's NAI at worst. I agree her scumread of me is independently weak, though. It's possible she's just trying to replicate her paranoia of me. I don't think I'll have a definitive answer there till like D2 though

pedit: I actually love it when my post gets interrupted by a post my post responds to

[northsidegal]

Why do you want to lynch lynchbait??

irrelephant, why write lalendra off as lynchbait so quickly when at that point she only had the one post? that is, why immediately go to calling her lynchbait instead of asking tchill his reasons for thinking she's scum, or asking why he wants to lynch someone with only one post?

[Irrelephant11]

because look at what tchill quotes in the same post he says he wants to lynch lalendra

[northsidegal]

i mean, i guess. nauci saying that lalendra is lynchbait doesn't mean she has to be town here or anything...

being lynchbait also doesn't mean you can't be scum. it just struck me as a weird reaction reading through - to be paranoid for a second, kind of like you're talking like you already know that lalendra is town and as such lynchbait and not scum. i would think that town would respond differently to what tchill said there.

[Kop]

Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:

-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words

So that's disappointing.

We could lynch lalendra instead of mumble

Why do you want to lynch lynchbait??

Because it's perfect for scum to chase. So for that, he's in my scum pile.

[Kop]

i mean, i guess. nauci saying that lalendra is lynchbait doesn't mean she has to be town here or anything...

being lynchbait also doesn't mean you can't be scum. it just struck me as a weird reaction reading through - to be paranoid for a second, kind of like you're talking like you already know that lalendra is town and as such lynchbait and not scum. i would think that town would respond differently to what tchill said there.

I understand what you are saying, I'm not saying lalendra is town or scum. But from my experience, she isn't a high poster and comes off a lot as lynchbait. But I wouldn't go as far as wanting to lynch her ahead of anyone else based on one post. She will have to post and offer an input and if not there's a chance she will be replaced then we go from there. And the input she does put in will determine the path to take, I'm not lynching Someone who's known as lynchbait and has only made one post because that's too easy, anyone pushing that is coming off as false scum hunting imo.

[Irrelephant11]

i mean, i guess. nauci saying that lalendra is lynchbait doesn't mean she has to be town here or anything...

being lynchbait also doesn't mean you can't be scum. it just struck me as a weird reaction reading through - to be paranoid for a second, kind of like you're talking like you already know that lalendra is town and as such lynchbait and not scum. i would think that town would respond differently to what tchill said there.

I don't have any thoughts on Lalendra's alignment or lynchbait-status yet, except that maybe her questions are ok

But tchill literally said "oh you think lalendra is lynchbait? Let's lynch her then". His quote meant I thought *he* thought of her as lynchbait, and somehow therefore wanted her dead

[northsidegal]

I understand what you are saying, I'm not saying lalendra is town or scum. But from my experience, she isn't a high poster and comes off a lot as lynchbait. But I wouldn't go as far as wanting to lynch her ahead of anyone else based on one post. She will have to post and offer an input and if not there's a chance she will be replaced then we go from there. And the input she does put in will determine the path to take, I'm not lynching Someone who's known as lynchbait and has only made one post because that's too easy, anyone pushing that is coming off as false scum hunting imo.

yeah, i agree with you. whether or not lalendra is lynchbait normally, i don't really understand why someone would want to lynch them after only one post; that's the point i was trying to make.

so, @tchill, what made you say what you did?

I don't have any thoughts on Lalendra's alignment or lynchbait-status yet, except that maybe her questions are ok

But tchill literally said "oh you think lalendra is lynchbait? Let's lynch her then". His quote meant I thought *he* thought of her as lynchbait, and somehow therefore wanted her dead

oh. i find it kind of hard to see that interpretation looking at his post, but i can understand how you might have seen that.

[Nauci]

Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

I'm confused by this post

Was this a joke about how you don't scum read me, or about how Kop was voting me, or a typo?

[Nauci]

@Lalendra

I tried to clarify in 85 but I think Irrelephant can't be

town

read for any one post or "town tell," and that he must be pressured.

But that doesn't mean I can't scum read the posts and actions he already has, and pressure that early on. I know he responds to pressure and engages and it created sortable content, especially in early game when half the game was afk.

[Irrelephant11]

Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

I'm confused by this post

Was this a joke about how you don't scum read me, or about how Kop was voting me, or a typo?

all but the last

[Nauci]

Why do you want to lynch lynchbait??

irrelephant, why write lalendra off as lynchbait so quickly when at that point she only had the one post? that is, why immediately go to calling her lynchbait instead of asking tchill his reasons for thinking she's scum, or asking why he wants to lynch someone with only one post?

Tchill opened the game with saying he wanted to lynch mumble because he's lurky lynchbait or something like that, and proposed that we push Lalendra if she has that MO instead, basically. At least, that's what I'm inferring from the context.

[northsidegal]

helloo nauci! i think it's been a while since we've actually been in a game together!

[Nauci]

Yes! You were a total knockout in that newbie game way back when!

[Nauci]

Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:

-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words

So that's disappointing.

We could lynch lalendra instead of mumble

Why do you want to lynch lynchbait??

Because it's perfect for scum to chase. So for that, he's in my scum pile.

I guess it's wifom at this point because it's so common but I find scum save lynchbait for as late in the day as possible, when it gets really hard to lynch vocal town players. Policying is a hot button issue on MS though and I agree with many arguments from both sides.

I think the anti PL sentiments really help enable trolly, lurky players though. Like it's totally bizarre to me how NM has ever been allowed to live long enough to win games as scum lol

[Nauci]

Kop now that you're back nearly 6 pages later

Do you have updated reads

[northsidegal]

Yes! You were a total knockout in that newbie game way back when!

I guess it's wifom at this point because it's so common but I find scum save lynchbait for as late in the day as possible, when it gets really hard to lynch vocal town players. Policying is a hot button issue on MS though and I agree with many arguments from both sides.

I think the anti PL sentiments really help enable trolly, lurky players though. Like it's totally bizarre to me how NM has ever been allowed to live long enough to win games as scum lol

i can hear mathdino now, haha. (plus, i think not mafia can actually be read)

anyways, on a more game-related note, i think it's probably too early to draw any real conclusions specifically from people being "lynchbait" or not. i mean, i still think there's something to be looked at in what tchill said about lalendra and how irrelephant reacted, but those are just in terms of pushes on players not not really related to lynchbait specifically.

[Lalendra]

oh dammit I missed RVS

VOTE: tchill serious vote

hi nauci

y

Is Lalendra afk on weekends?

Yep

[Lalendra]

Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:

-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words

So that's disappointing.

So you're just scumreading anyone who doesn't post enough? Hm.

[Irrelephant11]

Tchill is a townread.

Nauci is a scumread.

Rei is a town read.

VOTE: Northsidegal Rumor has it her scum game is just lurking

I thought about doing this but it's so early in the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So...

Can we get some votes on this?

Votes on Nauci or NSG? If so why is your vote not on there yet?

Uhhh...Nauci. Who I am voting and whose post I quoted...

Dolittle is leanscum.