SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[the worst]

But the worst's fake rolecop bullshit still has me so suspicious because now I'm really worried he had a mechanical reason for wanting to do that.

What are you talking about?

[the worst]

feels omgusy but I kinda think {guac, Krazy} contains the last scum

[the worst]

also just realised we probably are not in MyLo and if we no lynch and pun holds her shot we're probs in a better spot

[Krazy]

feels omgusy but I kinda think {guac, Krazy} contains the last scum

Why are you assuming only one more scum and why is Espeonage not in that list?

[Krazy]

I've reread enough to shift to this.

Vote Espeonage

Current proposal is lynch espeonage, shoot guac.

Pun are you on board for this?

Shoshin, if you think the worst is better lynch than Esp please explain why.

[Shoshin]

Why Espe? And why not DV?

[Krazy]

DV is town because:
1) Chara is better at this game than I am and Chara decided he was town.
2) Dunn is better at this game than I am and Dunn decided he was town.
3) He almost certainly did not make the night kill which makes his overall likelihood to be scum significantly less.
4) If DV is not town, he would be arsonist, in which case, EXPLODING CATS ARE A HILARIOUS GAME END and I want to see it happen regardless of who wins as a result.

DV is most likely town, possibly third party, but unlikely to be scum. If he is third party, he has not given out enough cats for game win yet.

Conversely. Espeonage is scum because:

1) Chara saw Espeonage's D1 play as among the worst of the remaining living players.
2) Taly only warmed up to Espeonage because of the role claim bullshit with Dunn, and I think that was misguided because the role seems highly suspect to me.
3) Espeonage's play with FA makes more sense for bussing scum than town, and that goes both ways, especially considering both were incentivized to cross-bus by the game setup.
4) I have seen nothing that makes me think he's town.
5) His claim seems inelegant for a game setup that spent months in QA and therefore is likely fake.

To be clear, Guac is still scummier than espeonage, and if pun will not shoot him, he is a better lynch over Esp. I'm only focusing on Espeonage because I am hoping Pun will get on board with shooting guac.

[the worst]

I'm still pretty sure Espe is town, and that case amounts to something closer to "he doesn't deserve to win" than "he's scum". I need to counter case this but it's prolly gonna have to wait til I'm at a PC.

[guacamole]

You're gonna need to come up with a valid reason for scum to claim not to have done the action that two people claim to have received.
Without doing that, calling me scum is gonna come up short with the better thinkers in the thread.

[Shoshin]

You're gonna need to come up with a valid reason for scum to claim not to have done the action that two people claim to have received.
Without doing that, calling me scum is gonna come up short with the better thinkers in the thread.

Why would scum lie about connecting two players? I could come up with lots of reasons for scum to do that. It's WIFOM. To argue that they're town because they wouldn't randomly lie for no reason. To instill paranoia that one of the townies is scum. To create chaos. To complicate our decision.

[Shoshin]

Krazy's case on Espe is really bad. There's actually a legitimate reason to suspect Espe, but Krazy didn't touch on it. He also ignored all the evidence that Espe's town.

[Shoshin]

The town case on DV is also hilariously bad.

[Shoshin]

the worst, what'd the cat do?

[Krazy]

I wait with hushed breath to be released from the forest of confusion and thrust into the sunny fields of enlightenment.

[the worst]

I don't really want to talk about the cat thing, it feels bad faithy

[Shoshin]

Scum guaranteed that Espe would lose the bet by giving Vax 0s... so Espe is probably town... and trying to make us paranoid because he "could" be scum is really anti-town at the moment. Like, really bad.

[Shoshin]

What's bad faith? Just say what the cat did.

[Shoshin]

Oh, you mean because you didn't receive it. Nevermind then.

[Shoshin]

I forgot about that.

[the worst]

^^^^^^^^^

I'd take it if he brushed on any actual reasons to suspect Espe (I've argued with myself over it quite a lot) but on the balance of things Krazy is probably just scum here.


pedit: yeah. thank you

[Shoshin]

There's actually one very strong reason to suspect Espe, but Krazy either sucks at scumhunting or he's scum who isn't actually scumhunting.

[the worst]

VOTE: Krazy

[Shoshin]

Dam, really? I didn't say Krazy was scum.

[the worst]

UNVOTE:
feels like there's a piece of the puzzle missing.

[the worst]

I feel like we probably have a spare lynch tbh. I'm feeling like there's almost no possible way that {Krazy, guac} is t/t so if we lynch Krazy and get Pun to shoot guac like worst case scenario we're in 5p tomorrow with maybe 1 or 2 scum still left?