Listen, last time someone told me "I'm more of an Asuka guy."
You know what happened to him?
We never saw him again.
that's right
YES EXACTLY
I'm an alpaca, not a robot ok.In post 26, TWAIN wrote:She's not even human. I bet that if we lynch her another one will spawn next morning.
Why do you feel like we should vote him if you think he's scum?In post 30, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I said TChill might be scum now I'm wondering why everyone hasn't voted for him.
Maybe you guys missed it? I think TChill could be scum.
What a bulletproof planIn post 33, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Usually, I find scum, tell everyone else they're scum and then we lynch them leading to a town victory!
Yayyyyy!
Sound like a plan?
Why do you think soIn post 38, Alchemist21 wrote:I think Rei is Town.
I'm kinda wondering why you chose to talk about NSG and Mumble who had barely posted (or even posted at all) instead of players who had decent amount of posts already like ejji or twain.In post 82, Nauci wrote:IIRC, Mumble is a bit lurky but I don't remember too much about his games I've skimmed.
Town!NSG is a very capable player who will bleed towness as the game progresses. Haven't seen scum!NSG.
Town!chill is less town screaming and effort posting as NSG, but is quite capable as town. I haven't seen scumchilll before.
Rei adorkable posts afaik and I have no alignment indicative info to glean from that.
IDK any of the other players.
Can you explain why you're lock towning me? I understand townreads but it just seems early to lock anyone at all
townie, i feel like scum would be nervous to post a fluffy reason to not vote someoneIn post 252, Nauci wrote:I refuse to lunch Twain today because that Lalendra meme was too good ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
I thought about this for a bit, and honestly the best action for now is just to stealthily watchIn post 274, Nauci wrote:You're right; I'd managed to forget some of the content she contributed and mostly remembered the fluffier posts (omg alpacas are so fwuffy wuffy I want to hug one)In post 273, Mumble wrote:Clarify step up then?In post 269, Nauci wrote:>I'm pretty sure has the capacity to step it way up
would imply that she hasn't
her only post is when I directly asked her a question, and it was a fence sitting post, so thus far she has basically contributed zero opinions
Her only post (all 13 only posts) is not solely because of you. I don't see the fence sitting either, so point that out to me plskthx.
Still; it's died down quite a bit so she's in the same bucket as Kop for me rn: drive by posts here and there. The post about people townreading her super early was kinda null opinion though
No it doesnt have to be on meIn post 278, Mumble wrote:In post 277, Rei wrote:Still townreading tchill tbh
locking someone as town this early is a gutsy move and it does zero for him as scum
If he was scum he's basically just giving himself less options for townies to frameThis is interesting.In post 277, Rei wrote:mumble, honestly is just null
Does the locktown read have to be on you?
Why don't you scumread me for town reading you? What keeps me null?
You townread him as far as I know, what makes you think I ignored it?In post 280, Mumble wrote:Are you aware on my stance on Tchill? Because your comment makes it looks like you ignored it.In post 279, Rei wrote:No it doesnt have to be on me
locking anyone at this phase is risky for a wolf, unless they're partners but that also brings attention to one if the other flips scum
Why do you think I should scumread you for townreading me?
Misread your original statement on those townreading you.In post 279, Rei wrote:Why do you think I should scumread you for townreading me?
I missed that postIn post 284, Mumble wrote:You should probably do what you would normally do.In post 281, Rei wrote:Should I townread or scumread you for it in your opinion
There's a difference between someone who's townreading me to jump on the wagon and someone who does something risky like locking town on d1 off of just readsIn post 285, Tchill13 wrote:I lock Towned you because you said you'd scum read anyone who TR'd you without any reason.
And I did so without reason... Then you town read me for that... Little odd.
Maybe I'm doing too much reaction testing.
He seemed really floaty tbh, and his reads were kinda shallow so i wanted to test the wagonIn post 288, Nauci wrote:I'll biteIn post 276, Rei wrote:I'm a bit surprised no one has asked me why I'm voting dr.dolittle when I gave 0 reason
Why? And what do you think of his posts since your vote?
Can you explain why you think nauci is a good wagon?In post 299, Alchemist21 wrote:I think Tchill is Town. I’d expect scum to play a bit more carefully than he has and not be hard-focused on a lurker.
Nauci wagon is still a great wagon.
It kinda feels like Irrelephant is trying to convince himself Nauci is Town more than he’s trying to convince everyone else. Like he wants to be in the game with her and doesn’t want her to be scum that gets knocked out early. Even though he’s defending her and pushing the CW it just doesn’t feel like scum motivation to me.
In post 179, northsidegal wrote:hello hello hello!
first of all, i kind of think that nauci is town here. i know that mathdino had some secret tell to read her and i'm trying to think about if i'm remembering it right here, but i still think she looks pretty town anyways. why are people voting there? (@kop and @mumble specifically)
ok but what are you trying to tell us by thisIn post 350, DrDolittle wrote:In post 294, Irrelephant11 wrote: I meanI didn't think that her misrepresentation of me is towny per se, but I also know that she's paranoid of me as town, and has done all the things I could potentially scumread her for here - when we were both town. That obviously doesn't *clear* her, but it doesn't make me suspicious in the same way it would if she were playing the same paranoid misreppy way around another player. Basically, I think the misrep was a misunderstanding in this case. Nauci doesn't need to go after me as the mislynch as scum, especially when it's gettinghermuch more negative attention.In post 294, Irrelephant11 wrote:This looks exactly like town Nauci so far- paranoid of me, anti-lurkers at first, trying to provide all her thoughts and reads when she can... We don't have many games between us atm, but I've seen her as both alignments, and nothing reminds me more of scum!nauci than town!nauci. It's possible she's putting on a performance as scum just for me, but I suspect she would want to change up her game, call it new meta, and not get so much heat for the way she plays the early game (this isn't the first time).In post 342, Irrelephant11 wrote:I feel like other players are scumreading her just for the sake of scumreading her, so I'm calling that as I see it.I also like just said I would stop defending her, because it's possible I'm wrong. But inb4 someone sees me answering your questions here and is like "oOoOoh look he'sstilldefending her, they're the team"
Spoiler: Quoting the stuff that made me feel this way
After doing this ISO though I agree her votes have mostly been pretty bad
you mentioned before you see nauci/irrelephantIn post 351, DrDolittle wrote:oops almost forgot this gemIn post 327, Irrelephant11 wrote: Someone explain the Nauci wagon to me, becauseI really don't think she's the scummiest player so farin a game with Kop, Lalendra, twain, DDL, and lurky!NSG???
Mumble even had a particularly bad progression of "Vote: Nauci" [no reasons given] --> Nauci posted --> "Look at this post! Vote her, she's scum" [no reasons given]
I'm not convinced this wagon has a better composition than the Mumble one did when it was criticized, either.
thats actually kinda what i think rnIn post 393, ejjinami wrote:Hot take: both mumble and Nauci are town.
I'd like everyone to comment on that btw.
I'll explain my reads after I get back home (prob tomorrow morning/afternoon or sth like that).
I don't get where the scum slip isIn post 460, Lalendra wrote:Scumslip? If you knew your role PM was green you'd have at least SOME basis for that statement. Also really not feeling that progression on Kop, or the hard press on the lurkers.In post 430, Tchill13 wrote:What if tchills just town and all three of those are scum?In post 428, Alchemist21 wrote:What if Tchill’s just scum and all of Mumble, Nauci, and Kop are Town?
VOTE: Tchill
I have as much basis for my statement as you do. None.
VOTE: Tchill
Can you say why you love that lalendra post?In post 464, Irrelephant11 wrote:This entire post is still baffling to me. @Kop I would love for you to explain:In post 345, Kop wrote:I don't generally do reads, especially on day one. You can go and review a lot of my other games that I've played on here and you'll see that I don't do reads often. I prefer to play the game by using conversations with people that gives me reads that I generally keep to myself.
I also don't use meta as a tool, I don't use any tools to help me scum read someone or find scum, as in general I always believe in evolving. People will try to change there meta to become harder to read so I don't use it. I've often been lynched because I generally get a bit busy with real life in times so don't post much, and simply because my scum games I've been quiet, so they assume I'm scum because they meta read me and I've flipped town in those games that I've been misread in because of meta. But I do use meta as a guidance but I don't base any of my reads on meta, I base it on the game.
(I'm aware that this makes it a bit hypocritical because of my defence on Lalendra but I am going off reputation. And my slight concern that I've pushed Lalendra before and learned that it's a common thing with Lalendra. So I wasn't going to be drawn in again.)
I understand that lynchbait do make it to LYLO and that's what scum want. But scum can afford to get rid of one lynchbait, especially on day one because in general scum want to get through to the first night and hope that they created some suspicions on other town on day one, then they can pretty much plan there kill and next path to take on day two and hope to ride on the confusion made on day one, or diverting suspicion to others based on there kill.In post 204, Tchill13 wrote:you know what happens to lynchbait? they make it to lylo. Scum and town chit chat for a bit. "i guess so and so wasn't lynchbait, theyre actually scum" Town gets lynched. Scum win.
Let me be very clear. If you can't clear "lynchbait" players as town for any reason other than meta then GTFO OF HERE AND STOP USING THE WORD "LYNCHBAIT".
that is all.
Some of it also rides on the experience of the scum team also. I've seen some baffling kills before that just didn't make any sense, and it just created a lot of confusion.
-why you keep reads to yourself
-why you think meta doesn't work but we should meta read you
-why you don't use meta but are using "reputation" to read LalendraThis is slightly townyIn post 420, Kop wrote:How are my reads super weird considering I don't think I've given any reads?In post 378, Tchill13 wrote:I think kop is putting in effort.
Even though his reads are super weird and I don't agree with them I could see them coming from a "tryhard" town so to speak.In post 460, Lalendra wrote:Scumslip? If you knew your role PM was green you'd have at least SOME basis for that statement. Also really not feeling that progression on Kop, or the hard press on the lurkers.In post 430, Tchill13 wrote:What if tchills just town and all three of those are scum?In post 428, Alchemist21 wrote:What if Tchill’s just scum and all of Mumble, Nauci, and Kop are Town?
VOTE: Tchill
I have as much basis for my statement as you do. None.
VOTE: TchillNot sure if scumslip but I love this post all the same
Can you answer my question about why you liked the lalendra post?In post 488, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’ll lynch anyone under “null” in my reads. Right now Kop is the bigger wagon, is all
It's alright, catch up when you canIn post 489, Creature wrote:Would you mind if I postponed my catch up for tomorrow?
now that just sounds like reaching because that was obviously sarcasmIn post 497, Kop wrote:I'm naturally thinking the scum slip lalendra mentioned, is the fact that Tchill said what if I was town rather than knowing he is town. Or I'm reading it wrong and lalendra is going to have to expand further on it.
In post 536, Tchill13 wrote:No any player is just as likely to be town as a lurker that's the damn point, unless your reads are correct 100 percent of the time ON DAY ONE. Site meta is shit. That's why town suck here.
I do have reads. Idc if you believe me.
Rei what's your relation to boris? Like is it actually cousin or what? Lol.
In post 544, Irrelephant11 wrote:Probably not? idk
Not sure where you got the idea that I'm scumreading you for wanting to lynch lurkers. We've argued about game theory a lot, but I've also made clear that I'm scumreading you because I'm not convinced you're at all trying to find either town or scum - instead, you'd rather simply not be lynched.
I have also not suggested that the lurkers in this particular game should be cleared for their lurkiness - in fact, just the opposite for NSG/Kop. so..?
Rei where are you at/what are you thinking?
pedit: I didn't start this conversation thinking you're here to misdirect or distract, but the longer you have insisted on pushing the idea that the first lynch should be a lurker (rather than, say, try to appeal to other players to lynch whichever lurker you're most scumreading), the more it feels like that is your goal
I dont like her read on tchill, feels forcedIn post 586, Creature wrote:Do you scumread Lalendra?In post 552, Rei wrote:preferably what you think of kop, nsg and lalendra
InterestingIn post 591, Creature wrote:so she's probtown lolIn post 588, Rei wrote:I dont like her read on tchill, feels forcedIn post 586, Creature wrote:Do you scumread Lalendra?In post 552, Rei wrote:preferably what you think of kop, nsg and lalendra
so to an extent I do
we've been told she's an easy lynchbait as town but I don't know about her scum gameIn post 596, Creature wrote:Nah, it's not because I think you're scum pushing a mislynch on her.In post 592, Rei wrote:InterestingIn post 591, Creature wrote:so she's probtown lolIn post 588, Rei wrote:I dont like her read on tchill, feels forcedIn post 586, Creature wrote:Do you scumread Lalendra?In post 552, Rei wrote:preferably what you think of kop, nsg and lalendra
so to an extent I do
do you think I'm scum?
It's more that I feel players scumreading Lalendra is a towntell for her.
who would you say could be scum in that bunchIn post 617, Tchill13 wrote:I think those that pushed players providing content over, or even in the defense of, low content creators could be scum.
The more i think about it the more that Kop feels like a good lynch for todayIn post 628, Tchill13 wrote:no thats not paranoia thats being self aware.In post 627, Rei wrote:Paranoia hour: I probably have at least one scum in my town reads
I'm debating switching to Kop or BBT.
Weren't you telling us not to lynch a lurker on D1?In post 708, Kop wrote:I would lynch within DDL, Lalendra and NSG personally. I don't have concrete reads, a lot of my reads are generally shit on day one, I tend to start to get better reading of players on day two when I have more information in front of me, that can give me a better view of things. Day one is just plain guesswork in terms of getting reads.
But those 3 I think is where I'd go. Call it gut feelings.
Now this just feels like you're trying to save yourself instead of helping townIn post 700, Kop wrote:Day one you go for someone who will provide legwork for day two rather than lynch a Lurker and just go with the attitude we will sort other slots out on day two. Your going to have the same problem when your targeting yet another lurker.
why do you think its easyIn post 754, Nauci wrote:This lynch is too easy; pretty sure scum are just letting town fuck up
hmm actually that was the case with lalendra until she made that post about tchill "slipping" which just sounded like reachingIn post 861, Scioness Sajj wrote:you have already said twice that i'm not an upgrade activity wise. the biggest problem with lalendra was not that of her content but lack of it. she was in the scummy cuz lurker pile.
i guess there is no point trying to reason with you huh
In post 860, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I said DDL is probably scum out of DDL and Lalendra.
You're taking it out of context.
There has to be at least one scum hereIn post 766, Jackal711 wrote:VOTE COUNT 1.Final
LynchKop (7) - ejjinami, BlueBloodedToffee, Mumble, Tchill13, Creature, Rei, Irrelephant11
As of Post #765,Kopwas lynched. He was aVanilla Townie
No I don't necessarily think it's ai and I don't like using replacements in my reads. I don't expect you to explain it either since you are not her, I was just pointing out the part where you said we just suspect her for being a lurker by saying that was not the reason for me feeling iffy about her.In post 930, Scioness Sajj wrote:it was also her last post. do you think the replacement is ai? do you expect me to explain it or will it be scummy for the sake of being scummy?In post 864, Rei wrote:hmm actually that was the case with lalendra until she made that post about tchill "slipping" which just sounded like reachingIn post 861, Scioness Sajj wrote:you have already said twice that i'm not an upgrade activity wise. the biggest problem with lalendra was not that of her content but lack of it. she was in the scummy cuz lurker pile.
i guess there is no point trying to reason with you huh
she never explained that and therefore it's still scummy
I didn't say her not explaining is scummy, I said the comment itself is scummy. Like the comment of susing tchill because of a slip that wasn't even a slip. That's what I didn't like about her, not the fact that she didn't reply.In post 938, Scioness Sajj wrote:if lalendra not explaining her last posts is scummy but her getting replaced isn't scummy then i don't understand why it is not connected? do you understand why i'm getting at?In post 935, Rei wrote:No I don't necessarily think it's ai and I don't like using replacements in my reads. I don't expect you to explain it either since you are not her, I was just pointing out the part where you said we just suspect her for being a lurker by saying that was not the reason for me feeling iffy about her.
Also interesting read on me, probably the first to place a scumread on me since the start of the game which feels kinda townie since suspecting me would be a bit useless as scum if others aren't gonna lynch me?
yeah, i said that because that was the impression i have got from reading the game. her content was lacking and she wasn't there. guess i have misunderstood you because it read to me you were speaking for majority not only yourself.