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I voted Cerberus for what should be self evident reasons.
Gut reaction to FA being chosen is that we have a WIFOM loop: either FA is scum or scum picked FA because FA was a safe pick to pile votes onto.
Sakura Hana gets first serious FOS from me.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Can you clarify this?In post 1210, Titus wrote:Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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I got the prodded. I'm going to stop trying to do an intensive read and just play from here going forward because the only way to get back into the saddle is to get back into the saddle. If someone wants my thoughts on something, feel free to ask but otherwise assume I have read about 10% of what came before this post.
Can someone drop a quick gist on me?Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Okay ... so what would make you "have to", apart from the portion which you said after the word "or"? -- Also ... does said clause coming after the "or" trigger at the moment?In post 1570, Ankamius wrote:I don't write cases unless I have to or feel like town is going to shit the bed hard if I don't force a lynch on one of my scumreads.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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The thing with the reads from numbers... that's not so hot looking.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.
I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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VOTE: Sando
Just getting that out of the way and not part of a big wall of quotes.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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This went on for way too much. As someone who is friend to both of you:In post 2014, Titus wrote:
I'm trying to. Your vulnerability is you don't scrutinize people being nice to you enough. That's it in a nutshell.In post 2010, Frozen Angel wrote:
I'm just asking you to show me my vulnerability. I really want to work on it if it's real yet you bring an example that has nothing to do with you claimed about me.In post 2007, Titus wrote:
Nah, you're just too proud to admit your vulnerability when I tell it straight to your face. Oh well.In post 2003, Frozen Angel wrote:like you're literally lying about every part of my town meta to make your point go across. There are people here who have been playing with me recently and there are players here who played with me a year ago.
Like I got flaws too and you could lay back into me to ensure I pick town. We can hash it out. Or you can pretend that my criticisms of you are worthless pointless and everything that happens is a coincidence. I'm ok with either but I prefer being honest with you.
Now, lay into me. What should I watch out for? What's my blind spot?
[Normally, I would do this with Drixx/Cerb but...]
FA: You literally gave an example of exactly what Titus is trying to say about you. Math got you to back off by treating you a certain way. That's a pattern for you. I didn't see anything from Titus where it was meant to have a go at you. It is good to know the things about yourself that you might otherwise overlook.
Titus: Basically everyone active in the game is telling you to stop with the focus on just one tiny aspect of the game. At the moment it's NAI to me, because town!you would pick at this particular scab (especially with some who are intentionally antagonizing you and keeping you focused on it) and scum!you would gladly take the cover others are providing. You don't reallyneedanyone else to point out where you're hurting yourself and the game state.
And if you really do ... I'm here.
This post makes it look like you don't actually want to be playing forum mafia. Like ... if you think content coming from a certain slot is worthless to you, then just scroll right on by. No need for this crap. This ends up making me wonder if you're just making posts like this for LAMIST or something.In post 2015, zMuffinMan wrote:stop spamming the fucking thread with shit nobody cares about thanks
stop fucking quoting massive walls and writing 1 line responses
jesus fucking christ
That would be a really good way to get me (and probably others) to decide you need to eat rope. You cannot wind someone up and keep pushing them and then invoke policy lynch on them because they took your bait. It's dirty play.In post 2022, zMuffinMan wrote:i'm policy lynching the shit out of titus if i'm alive tomorrow
and i won't be moving my vote either
that's a fucking promise
This post feels like so much hedging from someone who is informed. Gut doesn't like.In post 2031, Toranaga wrote:titus, if you're town please talk about anything BUT the leader choice.
your leader choice was scum motivated and will likely be the main reason why you'll get lynched next gameday.
that you're even suggesting you were mostly a town motivated leadership is already outing behaviour.
your spat with FA is only clearing her further if you're scum, and tilting and antagonizing her if you're town.
This coming so soon after the prior post: all I'm seeing here is a narrative slip. How do you go from trying to reason with a person to get useful content and interactions with them (while repeatedly expressing the benefit of the doubt and suggesting you are willing to posit a town!Titus) to talking about them being so obviously scum that you're concerned the day will be taken up by people "dunking" on them.In post 2039, Toranaga wrote:I don't think we should spend the whole gameday dunking on titus though. it's annoying.
titus should not talk about leader stuff and be ignored when she does for obvious reasons.
if she is town we're gonna have 2 awful gamedays because of it. I have a hard time imagining anyone else getting lynched on d3.
Like ...went by.eight minutes
Pick a spot. Start reading. Ask questions and make comments.In post 2062, Myloninja13 wrote:I have no idea how to get into this game lol.
See above.In post 2063, the worst wrote:If you work it out lmk Mylo
@xoxoxoxox{[::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::>In post 2071, zMuffinMan wrote:yes, me complaining about you doingabsolutely nothing buttalking about the setup and me suggesting that it's stupid for someone like titus to have been elected due to a complete lack of co-ordination are things that are comparable
you're truly a spectacular player
I had something else I wanted to say, but the pissing contest is too much of a turn off. Stahp it.In post 2130, Sando wrote:
God you're bad. I mean keep saying I did nothing but speculate on setup, but talking setup to show why someone (Titus) is scum is not the same as "talking setup".In post 2071, zMuffinMan wrote:yes, me complaining about you doing absolutely nothing but talking about the setup and me suggesting that it's stupid for someone like titus to have been elected due to a complete lack of co-ordination are things that are comparable
you're truly a spectacular player
You TR'd me all yesterday, you bitched about setup talk while ignoring actual alignment posts I was making about people, and then today want to bitch about lack of coordination.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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OMGUS much?In post 2138, zMuffinMan wrote:oh, right, that reminds me. drixx is scumGet to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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The sad part is that you probably think you have some kind of "gotcha!" here. Whom I voted for is self-evident. You shouldn't have to ask because you should already know.In post 2139, zMuffinMan wrote:who did you vote for leader drixx?Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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The flip is actually a pretty solid reason to look at me. Responding to me pointing out that he's playing poorly and hurting the game state by calling me scum is OMGUS.In post 2142, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 2140, Drixx wrote:
OMGUS much?In post 2138, zMuffinMan wrote:oh, right, that reminds me. drixx is scum
LOL.In post 1773, zMuffinMan wrote:titus, the worst, maybe drixx are where i'd look at first tomorrow pretty much regardless of the flip
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If you weren't looking down your nose so often, your eyes might not hurt so much.In post 2145, zMuffinMan wrote:
do you know what OMGUS means? and do you think it's a relevant term that actually means anything?In post 2140, Drixx wrote:OMGUS much?
OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck
I'm familiar with exactly what it means, how it came about as a term used in mafia, and the traditional usage of it.
Responding to my point that your response to me pointing out that your toxicity isn't helping the game at all with an OMGUS style response "The player who just pointed out that I'm playing badly and harming the game state is scum" instead of responding, followed by more pedantic bullshit and toxic play ... probably not going to help your cause.
Either stop with the bullshit or don't expect any further engagement from me with you. I don't have time for the kind of people who make a regular habit of behaving the way you are behaving right now. You can decide to be an adult or not. Your choice entirely.
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Outright lie by Muffin here. I complimented the point about numbers reads list and how the way it was "balanced" didn't look right.In post 2156, zMuffinMan wrote:they barely interacted (except insofar as numbers quoted him in his first post and later drixx mentioned something about my point on numbers reads list that didnt make much sense and never amounted to anything). nothing to do with numbers really - just most of the active players are probably town and there's scum hiding in the lurkers with zero contentGet to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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The point was that zMuffinMan has been pushing towards a lynch on me all day without any actual reasoning. The first "reasoning" he threw out was lumping me in with inactives ... except I'm here posting fairly regularly in day 2 so that doesn't hold up. So then we get the above quote? It's easy enough to read my ISO and see that I wasn't in any way defending numbers but actually was noting the point was a pretty solid one.In post 2255, hebichan wrote:In post 2246, Drixx wrote:
Outright lie by Muffin here. I complimented the point about numbers reads list and how the way it was "balanced" didn't look right.In post 2156, zMuffinMan wrote:they barely interacted (except insofar as numbers quoted him in his first post and later drixx mentioned something about my point on numbers reads list that didnt make much sense and never amounted to anything). nothing to do with numbers really - just most of the active players are probably town and there's scum hiding in the lurkers with zero content
I am totes cool with lynching this.
MM's response to me calling out his lie (which to me looks a lot like just being really lazy more than intentionally trying to fool anyone) was good.
Hebichan though? Not so much.
Remember Remember the 20th of ... well shit it doesn't rhyme. Just remember this. The game is stagnant as fuck right now. Cerb was killed for a reason. I'm being killed for a reason, and its not because I had a slow day one. This whole playlist knows me and none of you can honestly say you believe I go low activity as any particular role/alignment. You get what you get. In this case, you get me not having played much so I don't have the usual ten tabs of MS open calling my attention back to the site throughout the day.
But you know ... game is solved. Titus is scum and as a desperation move got made leader and all the rest of scum will be in that list who claimed they forgot to vote, so we win. Right?Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Math being in game almost makes up for Cerb getting killed out so fast.
Hi math. Please explain to people who lack objectivity that Drixx plays exactly as much as Drixx has time to play, regardless of his assigned role in a game. Because seriously the only argument I've seen against me is that I was low content in day one and like ... I had a posted V/LA for a large chunk of it. Of course I was low content. Duh.
Also ... I maintain that if I point out something that someone is doing which is bad play and harmful to the gamestate, and they choose as their responsesolelyto quote me and say that I'm scum, then their reaction is a form of OMGUS. It's not relevant if they previously said "Drixx is lurking and I think he's scum". What's relevant is that instead of engaging with the substance of what I was saying, there was an "oh my god you suck/{are} scum" response instead.
That there is some tenuous ass threads to be trying to rope me on. Especially coming from people who know better than to push the shit they're pushing.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Like almost this entire playlist knows me fairly well. Certainly well enough in most cases to know that "Activity is disconnected from alignment" is absolutely 100% the case with me. You can find both high and low activity games as literally any role or alignment I've ever had. It literally all comes down to what's going on in my life and how much time I can commit to this site, which is the only place I play forum mafia.In post 2347, Sakura Hana wrote:
Like who?In post 2346, Drixx wrote:Especially coming from people who know better than to push the shit they're pushing.
The only real "difference", per se, would be some changes in my life since I moved 8 months ago. I have more time tied up on a regular basis that used to be pretty much always time where mafia could fit. Explicitly:
1.) Involved in the local church music ministry. I teach and help run the handbell choir and just recently agreed to play bass guitar for services. That most recent has added Sunday evenings and Wednesday evenings to my time away from the computer, as well as whenever practices get held, which tends to be afternoon Sunday so now I've got Handbells followed by choir followed by band on Sundays. Pretty much has made Sunday kaput (and that's before my Adventurer's league table I run in the evening at the local game shop).
2.) Wife and I both have gotten involved in the local tabletop scene playing M:TG, Star Trek: Attack Wing, D&D and L5R, along with a variety of board games. That means usually Tuesday and/or Saturday I am checking in on the phone between turns or between rounds of a draft tournament or something.
But still ... activity never has and never will tell you anything other than how busy my life is. I think it's shit play to alter engagement based upon alignment. It borders on outright trust telling in my view. If someone can just tell that I'm one alignment or the other based upon how much I post, then I have ceased to provide any challenge or value to the game. (Setting aside whether I provide that much to begin with).Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Space Dandy 2. Mod statements seemed to make someone a liar. That person ended up flipping exactly what they claimed. Anyone who plays large themed regularly knows to leave some amount of reasonable doubt forIn post 2423, Sakura Hana wrote:Shiro has literally stated that there's 0 chance im telling the truth unless the mod lied... well i dont see this being advertised as bastard have you?
Yet she's willing to let potential scum get a super power?
I dont think Shiro actually believes there is a modicrum of chance that im not lying and just wants to chain up lynches
VOTE: Shiro
Btw, yes, im not a masonanyclaim. I could make a list of games where having a bit of reasonable doubt would have saved town a world of trouble ... and that list wouldn't be a short one.
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Firstly: this push to make me the "compromise" lynch with the deadline rapidly approaching is bullshit. Nobody has put forward any valid reasoning (let alone sound) for supposing I'm scum. Whathashappened is a player list full of people who know how effective Cerberus and I are in how we play the game, as long as we're left alive to do our thing, has managed to have Cerb dead on night one and is somehow setting me up to be lynched on day 2 for literally no reasoning whatsoever.
ANY looking into my recent play history at all is going to show you that I moved ~9 months ago and haven't played much since, and that my play has been lower intensity since I've started up again. That makes the only "argument" I've seen against me a total non starter. Anyone who has watched me at work and seen me at work in large games should know that D2 lynching me for no reason is borderline brain dead.
Anyone who has a vote on me or puts a vote on me this day phase:I have a small request, which should be no problem for you: Make a post that puts your ego on the line over your belief that I'm scum.-- If you want to know what I mean, go look at the signature for Reasonably Rational. So far I'm seeing a bunch of horse shit and ya'll deserve to be quote shamed after the game if you keep on with it.
AS A REMINDER:I am busy on Sundays (it's 2:24am on Sunday right now). I will have a couple of short time windows from my phone to post for the next 24 hours. Please refrain from doing stupid shit and ending the day before I can at least weigh in on whatever responses come to this post and whatever other crap gets posted while I'm busy.
I appreciate the defense, but you should be aware it has gotten to paranoia territory for me. Like ... you actually legitimately surprised me with a couple of your observations and I feel like I need to adjust some things I do as a matter of habit but ... yeah.In post 2541, MathBlade wrote:
No. Do something other than spam something obviously false.In post 2540, zMuffinMan wrote:not reading recent pages right now
just did a quick iso of drixx's recent posts
he's still scum
lynch him, thanks
What are your other reads? Because while I am alive Drixx should never be lynched.
Are you actually capable of playing without being an asshole to other players? Is that like ... a possible thing? We're all somewhere along the way from "just got introduced to the game" to the eventual "I've learned how to spot the shit nobody can hide and this game has no further challenge", and I'd suggest most of us are closer to the start of that progression than the end. There just ain't no reason for you to be waving your dick around at everyone.In post 2546, zMuffinMan wrote:yeah, this is clearly not one of those mythical good games you apparently have
Post of the fucking year here. We have this great community of people who are on the whole quite intelligent and generally fun to play with and hang out with ... and instead of enjoying it we have to attack each other all the time? Like ... who the fuck cares who is the "best" or "better"? It's a game. If you are so invested in your relative standing in this community that you gotta tear into people to make yourself feel good/better/okay/etc., I would suggest you got bigger fish to fry.In post 2560, MathBlade wrote:If I am wrong in my assessment of Drixx town I need to learn why. Especially since mafia is an associative game.
So please demonstrate how I fucked up.
It’s a major problem with mafiascum as a whole. Instead of helping we are destructive.
This is a horse shit post. My ISO simply isn't long enough for you to pull this kind of post. You could literally wall of quotes me and respond to every post I've made and it wouldn't take you more than a half hour, tops. Shit or get off the pot bub.In post 2564, zMuffinMan wrote:honestly, i don't really care about showing anyone why drixx is scum if they're unable to read his ISO and see it. maybe if i was invested in this game or cared about the outcome i might try, but i'm not and i don't
if you link me directly to whatever you're talking about, i'll respond to that and tell you why you're wrong, but i'm just not interested in getting into an argument about it atm so if you disagree, i don't care
Just the obligatory reminder that relying on meta is dangerous, etc...In post 2571, MathBlade wrote:That alternate theory just doesn’t follow Drixx meta.
In post 2574, MathBlade wrote:
1212 — Can you clarify this? That is Drixx speak for “what the fuck you’re full of shit please go back and talk about it so I can help you”In post 2316, MathBlade wrote:
Drixx is like obvTown from this post aloneIn post 1214, Titus wrote:
Hi Drixx.In post 1212, Drixx wrote:
Can you clarify this?In post 1210, Titus wrote:Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.
Everytime I tried to engage on numbers in a substantive way, I got attacked.
What I say about Numbers gets ignored except for 1 comment by worst.
Numbers is basically just parroting suspicions and not calling anyone town.
Got any thoughts please? Like I miss you. NAI miss you.
When I was being stupid/unclear in the hydra that was like his phrase.
Titus reads like gasping scum there
“Give me things so I can say other things that cause people to lose focus”Actually that kind of is me being polite. You only need to read the uncensored logs from Cerb and me in hydra together to see just how much I don't give a shit about being polite when talking with a hydra partner (and QED when thinking). I do try and be polite and civil to people who haven't already shown they aren't capable of it because I do believe that civility is a positive thing. But when I'm reading your posts and making notes ... I'm probably thinking/noting much closer to what Math said than what you see me say.
I just assumed most of us here were like that. The snark is strong among us.
Actually Math has really solid reasons for arriving at the correct conclusion about me. The level of certainty is something to keep in mind but the reasoning is sound.In post 2600, Sando wrote:
My point was I wasn't just disagreeing with Titus on setup, I was SRing her due to her follow up to that setup. I don't think it's valid as a defence of Drixx's vote on me, for Drixx and Gamma to agree about Titus' bad setup spec, and thus turn their gaze towards me.In post 2595, MathBlade wrote:Like I don’t understand how this connects with Drixx. I have known Drixx a long while. When Drixx gets fired up you’ll know it and see it. Like I see him scumhunting but that point was underdeveloped and I see him trying to form a town block. So I see your point (a tree) but I don’t see the forest
I'm not saying Drixx is scum, I'm saying your reasoning for TRing him is faulty, and thus I also think SRing Drixx's accusers is faulty (for that, SR them for other stuff all you want).
And yeah ... you got the vote for reasons I thought I developed enough to be obvious. I'm posting more stuff each post and less frequently than before my break, which is mostly a function of the changes in my time at the computer. If you don't think something is clear you can ask.
I'll look particularly for anything you direct my way.In post 2639, Ankamius wrote:FA/Toranaga/myself are all confirmed strongly townreading each other
I'd bet money Mathblade is town
I'm not convinced on Drixx myself until I have an opportunity to speak to him myself
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Oh hey! Sarcasm!In post 2718, zMuffinMan wrote:wow, that post was so obvtown, dont see how anyone would want to vote drixx after that
If you want something more from me, then stop pushing me literally without any reasoning and engage with me. There's a large player list here and the vast majority of them are skating by because you can't be bothered to actually give any reasoning for (or put your ego on the line for that matter) claiming that I'm obvscum. But you keep pushing that idea and saying its self evident.
So far today we've had you and Sando winding up Titus to get a bunch of distraction going and you dropping in (with help from a couple others to a lesser extent) and pushing me to defend myself instead of spend my time on other stuff.
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Let's see:In post 2720, zMuffinMan wrote:let me quote the part of that post that was a legitimate attempt at sorting at least one player in the game...
huh? that's strange... what happened to his post...?
1.) It's actually a little scummy and worth paying further attention to the level to which Math has defended me since replacing in. Scum math can come up with good reasons to explain the alignment that scum math knows I am just as easily as town math could come up with that reasoning. That's a note of suspicion. That's part of the process of sorting players.
2.) Pointing out that your "I don't have time/it would be too much work" bullshit when asked to actually make a case against me is irrational and bullshit is calling you out and suggesting that your behavior is scummy.
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You obviously have forgotten how I use my vote. I'm irritated at your refusal to actually play the game and your insistence upon acting like a spoiled 3 year old, but that hardly merits a vote. I've asked and prodded and pushed you and even called bullshit to your refusal to actually give reasoning for a read on me. At some point, you will actually give some reasons. Or it will get close enough to the end of the day that I will conclude that we're better off without you, even if you are only behaving like a 3 year old and aren't scum, at which point you will get my vote and an actual push from my with why I feel the game is better off without you as you are currently behaving.In post 2722, zMuffinMan wrote:neither of those are conclusions you came to there and if you legitimately thought i was scum youd have voted me by now
PS please stop inundating the thread with so many reads and so much town content, we already see how obvtown you are
Or you could ... you know ... do what several people have asked and produce reasoning. Stand or fall on the merits of what youclaimshould be absurdly obvious.
Who knows ... you might actually have some valid (but unsound) reasoning there. Don't know till you actually stop with the bullshit and produce it, and lynching someone primarily to avoid dealing with the kind of stubborn bullshit you're demonstrating is not a measure of first resort.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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@Math, @Titus, @BBmolla, @FA, @Chickadee, @Random, @Shiro: If you had to give one answer to what is the most notable thing about how I vote, what would it be?
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Apparently this somehow wasn't clear before - Sando you got voted because you were literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose. There was no good motivation to do what you were doing. It was toxic to the game state and so you are either scum and you were doing it to try and get Titus chasing in circles (which would merit re-evaluating Titus) or you were town doing it and just not giving a shit that you were making the game toxic.
Your response to being voted over it was the entire point of the exercise. Let's say I'm not exactly feeling great about your response.
@Math - Bullshit on the idea I shouldn't have a serious side-eye on you for the foreseeable future. Cerb and I were final scum in a game alone as final scum for months and in that game we literally played precisely how we would as town. We literally from the outset of the game all the way through made decisions and took actions that were what we would have done if we were town that game. It came down to someone deciding they would rather lose with us than lose to us in the LYLO we picked, because said person was unwilling to actually put in the time and effort to try and figure it out.
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At this point you just are better off as scum. The amount of cool and good people you are insulting. I'm gonna have to make a notepad file and just save up quotes from you for endgame. This is way beyond taking the piss at this point.In post 2811, zMuffinMan wrote:Vote: mylo
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Go back and read you and Titus in ISO from start of day 2. You are legitimately winding Titus up with no goal that I can discern. It's not only NOT BS, it's precisely how I always operate.In post 3092, Sando wrote:
This is just pure BS from you.In post 3090, Drixx wrote:Apparently this somehow wasn't clear before - Sando you got voted because you were literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose. There was no good motivation to do what you were doing. It was toxic to the game state and so you are either scum and you were doing it to try and get Titus chasing in circles (which would merit re-evaluating Titus) or you were town doing it and just not giving a shit that you were making the game toxic.
Your response to being voted over it was the entire point of the exercise. Let's say I'm not exactly feeling great about your response.
FA nailed it. I don't generally telegraph my thoughts early in the game. I will often appear as if I'm just reacting. If you take the time to go look at Cerb and I together in hydra, you will see what's really going on in my own notes and thoughts. I will usually have a bead on someone a long time before anyone knows it and be coming at it obliquely trying to get them to say/do something to either solidify or erode what I'm thinking.
Classic best example of that would be in SU1 where Cerb and I repeatedly had evaluations and tests going on people for long stretches of time that nobody in the main game thread realized were much of anything until we were sure and dumped thoughts.
I make no claims to being amazing at this game. I have some great games on my record and some terrible ones. But you can always be very certain that whatever I'm doing, there's a reason for it. Deliberate action is the point. Rational progression. Otherwise it's all just deciding and making up shit to justify the decision, and that's worse than useless.
Standard disclaimer that I'm not a perfect rational agent.
Also: Try harder. You're actually surprising me in the most recent dozen pages or so, and not in a way that I thought had much probability.
@FA: High five and all that. Who do YOU think needs to be the backup vote in case you get popped? You should also decide who is voting you and who should be voting the backup. Balance risk. I'm happy to give thoughts on folks who I don't think should be assigned together if you would find that useful.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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If you insist. One wonders what you might actually do in this game if you stopped trying to be a world class troll.In post 3095, zMuffinMan wrote:
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My notes show that I noted Sando down as winding Titus up to no discernible reason. I did put that vote before a wall of quotes, so there's a possibility that I really didn't make it obvious. But thatIn post 3097, zMuffinMan wrote:
i did. this is pretty obviously false. you voted sando in 2132 and the ONLY mention of titus from sando that you could legitimately argue comes close to this before that post was his first post (2065) and you'd have to stretch the definition of "winding someone up" pretty far to say that fits the description because that's just a read...In post 3094, Drixx wrote:Go back and read you and Titus in ISO from start of day 2. You are legitimately winding Titus up with no goal that I can discern. It's not only NOT BS, it's precisely how I always operate.ISthe reason. Period.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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You are legitimately playing as if you were assigned Village Idiot and your goal is to get lynched and win the game. I cannot recall a single post you've made that was substantive AND wasn't trolling and/or over the top sarcastic. You are not targeting only one person with it, and even if I wanted to say that you are mostly targeting me with it ... there's a wild difference between what I can accomplish by checking interactions between two other people and what I can accomplish if you are targeting me with a trollfest.In post 3100, zMuffinMan wrote:if winding up titus is soooooooo scummy, then i'm the scum lord, yet sando's rather tame #2065 is what made you vote him despite all the misgivings you apparently have with me?
haha yeah, i believe that
I've already attempted to reason with you repeatedly to no avail. At this point you'll either stop or you'll become annoying enough that you'll get PL out of the game. That has way more to do with you than anything I can say so ... metaphorical ball is in your metaphorical court on that one.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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There's actually a non trivial chance (if your claim is correct) that someoneIn post 3105, Sando wrote:
I don't think I've ever actually directed anything towards Titus D2. All I really said was that she's continued along the lines of D1 and done self serving speculation, and I've pointed out that I think it fairly likely scum voted for Titus to be leader.In post 3094, Drixx wrote:Go back and read you and Titus in ISO from start of day 2. You are legitimately winding Titus up with no goal that I can discern. It's not only NOT BS, it's precisely how I always operate.
That's not winding up...elsewas the one winding up Titus and my brain wasn't braining and I noted your name as that person. That would be embarrassing a little bit.
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I just need this quote in my ego for post-game. If you're dying to know why, it's about the conversation RE: replicating town play. Going to ask math to evaluate something unrelated to this game but after this game is over for obv. reasons.In post 3113, MathBlade wrote:
@Drixx — I said you SHOULD be paranoid of me.In post 3090, Drixx wrote:Apparently this somehow wasn't clear before - Sando you got voted because you were literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose. There was no good motivation to do what you were doing. It was toxic to the game state and so you are either scum and you were doing it to try and get Titus chasing in circles (which would merit re-evaluating Titus) or you were town doing it and just not giving a shit that you were making the game toxic.
Your response to being voted over it was the entire point of the exercise. Let's say I'm not exactly feeling great about your response.
@Math - Bullshit on the idea I shouldn't have a serious side-eye on you for the foreseeable future. Cerb and I were final scum in a game alone as final scum for months and in that game we literally played precisely how we would as town. We literally from the outset of the game all the way through made decisions and took actions that were what we would have done if we were town that game. It came down to someone deciding they would rather lose with us than lose to us in the LYLO we picked, because said person was unwilling to actually put in the time and effort to try and figure it out.
So ... if he and I can lay down a game where there is literally no possible way to logically arrive at any conclusion other than we were town ... so can you ... and you can probably do it with a lot less work than it took us.
I also said you were reaction testing.
I don’t get where I said you shouldn’t.
And I have disagreed with you several times on the whole “I did what I always do as town bit”, People don’t. That is a fact. When you squash some differences newer smaller ones always emerge. So much so even professional liars convince themselves of their reality to try to help or just don’t speak. I get that you believe that but the answer is you’re different as the alignments and I can see it. And you can choose to scumread me for it. However that doesn’t change the fact you were different in a noticeable way.
It’s your belief you’d have acted the same and buddied me but the evidence says otherwise. Similar to how people think they would act one way but psychology tests/hidden cameras show another.
I maintain what I said and I still think you are town but if anyone thinks their games are 100% similar needs a reality check. I have been working on mine for decades and got it close but there is about 5 people on MS that just know instantly what alignment I am and I am still working with them when not in active games to find out why.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Umm ... so basically scum!muffin would be constantly posting just like we see in this game?In post 3128, Sakura Hana wrote:
Nah, muffin scum is the type of player who would be MORE active if he's scum if anything.In post 3126, MathBlade wrote:zMuffin as scum I feel would want a game with little effort so he could coastGet to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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I'm not sure I can rationally view a play style which consists of just sarcasm and trolling to be alignment indicative. Where in all that trolling and sarcasm do I find motive?In post 3141, Sakura Hana wrote:You know what, fuck this, i dont even know what to believe in anymore.
Drixx, first of all, what you've said muffin is doing is something he recently did in a town game, plus that's his playstyle as far as memory serves, and it's part of the reason I like playing with him, i find his snarkyness and sarcasm funny to read.
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Yeah I just can't anymore with muffin. The amount of self contradiction coming from that slot is absolutely absurd.
Pretend I can gladiate and that I gladiated him.
VOTE: zMuffinMan
If you want reasons:
Completely unwilling to behave like an adult and talk to people in anything resembling a civil manner.
Refuses to give reasoning for anything; when pressed resorts to more trolling, sarcasm, etc...
Loads of self contradiction
Refuses the implied social contract which is part of the basic premise of the game (i.e. you play to help your faction win)
Has managed to completely bog day 2 down in almost zero conversation of any productive substance by essentially stirring the pot and shitting all over anyone who tries to progress the conversation or gamestate.
P-Edit: Anyone who votes for Sakura over Ank is a fool. Go with someone who you have solid reasons to believe is townORgo with someone who has spent today on the transparent gambit of fake claiming masons in order to report a fake "cop guilty" on someone who was nearly universally scum read, then said they didn't want to be considered for leadership and super powers ... only to later say that the fake masons claim given the mod posts is proof they are town, and then recently suggested other people want them to be leader.
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This quote obviously is confirmation that you fake claimed mason. This post is you also using that fake claim to advance a "cop guilty" from the supposed mason partner.In post 1981, Sakura Hana wrote:i trust my mason partner on this, im 100% sure he wouldnt lie about this kind of thing.
And here's you saying you don't want anything to do with the superhero team.In post 2707, Sakura Hana wrote:Btw please do remember while choosing teams that a player may only use ONE super power per night.
Also please do remember that you can choose anywhere from 0 to 5 ppl.
Also please do remember to not include me in any super hero team.
Thanks in advance.
But then here you are promoting yourself to run it and choose it.
I can keep going. I don't make many mistakes when I note things down and I noted that you pointed at your lie about being a mason as a reason to believe you are town. You can keep on trying to say I'm lying and make me comb through your ISO to find the post if you really want to.
The point is that there's a very clear arc and progression out of your slot and lo and behold we're coming up on the end of the day and you somehow magically inserted yourself into the spot to be the leader if scum were to take FA out.
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Fantastic post here. You get to point out that someoneIn post 2896, Sakura Hana wrote:It's kinda disheartening for me that the only reason you think im good candidate is because i did something anti-town (i.e. fake claim mason)elseis discounting you being scum because of the gambit. You get to bring it up but let it be someone else who "actually" said it. The post is to your overall benefit though.
Like ... this is what I do Sakura Hana. I see the narrative. Yours is lining up awfully smoothly for all of this to be you just bumping into shit by mistake. Your trajectory reeks of planning.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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I mean ... it actually is to the policy lynch point already. I've reached the end of my willingness to put up with it to the point where I literally asked the game to pretend I gladiated him. I'd literally rather not get to play (and be vindicated) than deal with more days of that crap.In post 3419, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Agreed, it should have no bearing on our leadership choice.In post 3412, hebichan wrote:In post 3409, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Oh c’mon Ank. I really enjoy playing with you but your reads in that game almost cost us. \_0_/In post 3404, Ankamius wrote:
This is the last game we're playing together.In post 3267, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:All I know is a no lynch is really bad for town. I seriously doubt that Titus doesn’t get lynched D3 especially after that terribad hebi push.
I’m starting to question Math’s reasoning. I don’t want his bad reads to cost us. Evrnthough he was right about scum!random and town!the worst, he was also dead wrong about town!Shoshin and especially town!Saj and come to think of it,I agree with Muffin on not voting Ank, since she almost lost us that game.
So either FA or Sakura then.
What do you want me to say?
I’m genuinely sorry if I upset you with that post. I don’t ever try to make anyone feel bad *Sigh*
You had much better reads in Necromancer, so I wouldn’t take it so hard.
The whole, the reads were good or bad per game thing is probably getting under people's skin in general.
Yeah, I don’t want this game to be dragged down by petty grade school type arguments. All of the nastiness, initiated mainly by Muffin, really has got to stop. I don’t know whether Muffin is scum but I wouldn’t mind policy lynching him on his childish behaviour alone. Lucky for him, I don’t believe in policy lynches. Guys, can we please try to play nice here and not make everything personal? Kthanx.
Also ... you can't call for being nice when you are throwing daggers at Ank. You have been on the attack over one particular bad game and right in this quote tree you're walking that back and saying yourself "but you were much better in Y other game". Like ... this game isn't whatever that other one bad game was. Why are you preferring the negative over the positive? Was it a conscious choice on your part?
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You used your established mason claim to push the validity of a guilty claim. You took ownership of that fake guilty. You can call a technicality all you want, but you still advanced a fake cop guilty.In post 3421, Sakura Hana wrote:
And im not denying fake claiming mason.In post 3418, Drixx wrote:This quote obviously is confirmation that you fake claimed mason.
I just said I "believed" the claim (even tho i knew katsuki was fake claiming it), that doesnt mean im fake claiming a guilty.In post 3418, Drixx wrote:This post is you also using that fake claim to advance a "cop guilty" from the supposed mason partner.
Yeah so? Im not denying that.In post 3418, Drixx wrote:And here's you saying you don't want anything to do with the superhero team.
I didnt, Ankamius did that and/or i think someone else also did that.In post 3418, Drixx wrote:I noted that you pointed at your lie about being a mason as a reason to believe you are town.
Yeah it's disheartening because i dont want the mason claim to be the only reason someone townreads me.In post 3420, Drixx wrote:Fantastic post here. You get to point out that someone else is discounting you being scum because of the gambit. You get to bring it up but let it be someone else who "actually" said it. The post is to your overall benefit though.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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There are already associatives between Sakura and the people who showed up and suggested them for leader instead of the pretty widely accepted plan for most of the day which was FA + Ank.
Sakura made a point of posting early in the day to leave them out of the superpowers thing altogether. Then most of the day goes by and there's some shade being thrown on Ank and suddenly a couple people go "Sakura!"
There's more to it but ultimately ... where did the desire to stay out of the powers/leader go?
The other thing is narrative. Scum are informed and thus by definition everything they do in the thread is a story. Everything has to be planned out to some extent or another. Every post is adding to an ongoing fiction that has to make sense and be believable.
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I would suggest yes. There was actual discussion and people seriously wondering if the mason claim was genuine and legit. One of the best mods on site (if not outright the best, no disrespect to present company) has made mistakes before where their info/rules posts and answers made it seem like a player was lying about their role and the only choice the mod had was to step in and clarify (which would have taken a likely mislynch and made it essentially WotM Conftown) or to say nothing and avoid making the mistake worse.In post 3934, Sando wrote:
I did, I said Titus flip would be indicative of the lie.In post 3932, Shiro wrote:"Sando how comes you object on nos obvious lie but didn't on Sakura's yesterday?
Also, am I really meant to treat a lie I can verify as a lie the same as one that I can't 100% verify? Wat?
The line is probably pretty easy I think. If the lie creates absolutely no confusion whatsoever ... feel free to disregard it. The moment it brings confusion/doubt into the game it matters. There's a reason LAL was/is a thing. There's also a reason why basically every great mafia player will say that you shouldn't lie as town unless you and the lie both meet a high bar in terms of expected value (i.e. you need to be a good enough player to actually get positive utility from it and counteract whatever damage it does).
I think part of what made me suspicious of Sakura yesterday was that the lie was kept going long past when it should have stopped.
Just for the record: Titus did not put me on the team or give me powers or anything. I think a town!Titus would have given me a power choice 99 times out of a 100 given the game state at end of day and the very high likelihood that she gets roped today. Especially with Cerb already dead. I also would have expected a scum!Titus to do so as well and try and convince me she's town and to help her avoid getting roped; however, I can also see scum!Titus trying to play at level 2 and take advantage of that expectation by not throwing me a power.
I'm still a few pages behind current so perhaps she already popped in and said something, but I'm definitely interested in what Titus has to say about choices.
Also for the record: It would have been WAY better to lynch me or zMM yesterday than what we did. I don't see myself suddenly feeling like constant trolling of the game is appropriate play, and I don't see zMM suddenly deciding to play it straight. So hooray for a bunch more of that shit. I wouldn't have been particularly happy to be dead, but I would have been confirmed and since the dead can be contacted and talk, I could have still worked the game and given info to a medium.
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Oh lay off it. People are allowed to suspect you. That's the freaking game. Several people in this game (including Titus and FA) will attest to the fact that I catch scum fairly regularly because of narrative. Scum are constantly telling a story to the rest of the game and unexpected things cause that narrative to need to shift. Most scum don't realize all the things they need to do to make a shift look like it's coming from town mindset and motive.In post 4068, Sakura Hana wrote:Btw @FA: Dont forget to start thinking about potential leader candidates for tomorrow, also please dont put me as one, I dont want to have to deal with more conspirancy theories from drixx ._.
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Yep that's bullshit. You don't give a shit what other people think. You decide for yourself. I would have bought this if you said "... because I think he's scum" and maybe even adjusted my read towards town ... but I don't buy you making that decision based upon the quasi-wagon on me yesterday.In post 4043, Titus wrote:
Drixx is the one person off list I left out. Mod said too many to give him one.In post 3887, Sakura Hana wrote:Quoting for reference
Bolding the confirmed + Titus herself coz she cant unchoose herself.and there was no hood.He was considered the scummiest
Still catching up.
I took Precognition since that power role can be tracked and no one trusted me. Sending in my PM to use it.
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I'm down. I can ask Cerb a very specific question that nobody else could possibly answer. I've already thought of several actually.In post 4078, MathBlade wrote:
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He's not the one who has to prove anything. You are. Since you are saying Cerb is talking to you now, here's the 2 questions:In post 4082, Shiro wrote:Cerb says you all should stop being idiots and asking questions that could be found online because scum could find them and raise the circle of associative that arise if I flip scum.
He says you should only ask questions when he is ready to prove it.
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I already know exactly. Cerb and I have talked daily for years.In post 4088, MathBlade wrote:
@Drixx please doIn post 4028, MathBlade wrote:
Name the only game you were force replaced for a weird circumstance that I was also in and then your hydra buddy died. Name your role and alignment. You have 10 minutes. This should be enough time.In post 4027, Shiro wrote:Yup yup
No hints from anyone else.
And also for curiosity’s sake how quickly could you do this in regards to Cerb? You know him pretty well so force replace is a rather rare occurrence wouldn’t you say? Don’t actually answer it.
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It's too late to try and damage control. You literally give zero fucks what other people think. You would not have ceded agency to other people,In post 4091, Titus wrote:Well, we can verify that I gave everyone but Drixx a power in my pool. A slot with medium targets Ank. Sorry Drixx. Someone had to be removed and you had the largest wagon, plus none of the abilities were hoods where I could talk to you.
@Drixx, I'm not a characture and the notation you had one of the largest wagons at EoD was noted.especiallywhen it was a bullshit wagon without any actual reasoning or case.
I mean FFS I literally asked people to pretend I had gladiated zMM and either lynch me or him. I basically gave the game my blessing to lynch me. If there was any actual firm scumreads on me, I would already be a dead VT watching the game and waiting for a medium to reach out.
This is literally the worst possible way you could have responded to my prior post. I'm pretty sure you're scum here. It was already pretty much certain since we have a group of people who lied yesterday to avoid admitting they voted for you (or else you wouldn't have been leader), but this removed the benefit of the doubt I was giving you.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Bullshit. There's no utility cost for him to confirm that you're talking to him. If you were actually talking to Cerb he would have answered both my questions. Neither are game info related so there's literally zero utility cost in answering them. Refusing to answer them just results in you being lynched so if you were actually talking to him he would have given you the answers so that we know to let the day drag out a bit while he's evaluating and putting together an info dump.In post 4101, Shiro wrote:He says he won't answer anything till he is ready, which isn't now and won't be till half a day is over. Stop being dumb and let others talk.
@Drixx6he says when the time comes he will tell me something from forever ago which will instantly confirm it to you.
If I don't see those two answers before I go to sleep, then you're obviously lying and we just need to sort leader choices and votes for tomorrow and lynch you. No reason to drag the day out with you basically caught.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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It's time to start talking about who folks need to vote for tonight honestly.
There's no world where Cerb would not have just answered my two questions. I specifically asked those questions to ensure there was no utility expended by him answering them. Every post Shiro makes at this point just makes me more sure he's scum and that we have a super easy day 3.
@Math - Umm ... I instantly knew the answer to the question so there's no way Cerb wouldn't. It's a good question. So are the two I asked. The fact that Shiro is just making up things Cerb wouldn't say is pretty obvious now.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Shiro has also used words that Cerb doesn't use. Shiro appears to be using Cerb level vocabulary to try and fake communication from Cerberus himself. But there's too many words which are not common to most people's everyday vocabulary and are also not the words Cerberus would use to convey the same thoughts.
On the vanishingly small off chance that Shiro is talking to Cerb and Cerb has just decided to start using words he never uses:
@Cerb: I'm overriding. I agree with Math and FA that confirming you are talking to Shiro is a gigantic help to solving several important questions and there is literally no reason for you to wait to confirm this fact.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Since the time has passed, do you want me to answer the question?In post 4124, MathBlade wrote:Cool then I am going to bed. I just wanted to make sure I was being reasonable and it was a test of you and Shiro.
Going to bed will check in AM if I missed something let me know.
Pedit I said I would submit in the AM.
I will quote your post asking.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Cerberus if you are actually in contact with Shiro via the medium ability and you're refusing to confirm so we can continue to work the problem, then you should know that you are behaving worse than SCTH in SU ... and you may recall that his stubbornness had a gigantic impact on both of our thinking about the game and how it ultimately wound up.
@Titus - No. The questions I asked are not questions anyone else can answer. The question you propose is one YOU can answer, and given the reasons to believe you are scum along with the fact that a fake claiming shiro here would also be scum, you could just feed that answer.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Actually it wouldn't be a bad gambit in a world where the remaining scum are Titus, You and two ohers. Titus knows Cerb well enough to help fake it and you just had plenty of time to go rummaging through logs of our hydra conversations. The only flaw in such a gambit is that it occurred to me to ask questions where the answers aren't anywhere on the site.In post 4146, Shiro wrote:Like I could care less if you think I am scum but lying about communicating with Cerb is just stupid. Thinking I am not saying stuff as he wants orb whatever, sure OK. But I am not stupid to make up such a lie. I have nothing to bloody gain and that is pretty obvious.
I mean ... I can't think of any reason for Cerb to withhold the answers to my 2 questions, and you stillnearlyconvinced me to back off.
P-Edit: So now the only possible reason that Cerb might not want to confirm is out of the bag. If Shiro is town and really is talking to Cerb, scum will obviously cut it off if they can. There's no world where they want to let Cerb infodump into the game. It should already be shut off and certainly isn't going to be left for 48+ hours. Of course ... real!Cerb would already have worked all that out so he would know there's no utility loss in confirming.
P-Edit2: Cerb was force replaced from a game because the rolecard sent to him glitched and showed him info he was not supposed to have. He turned himself in and was replaced out to avoid the game being compromised. And it was legitimately a glitch too and not a mod error.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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The only plausible reason for Cerb not to answer is to maintain doubt and suspicion on Shiro. The only reason to do that is if Cerb thinks that scum can shut off the ability.
The problem is that if Shiro actually has the ability and is town, then scum will shut it off the moment the scumbutt who can do it shows up. Cerb won't have the 48-72 hours to put an infodump together. He has to do it as rapidly as possible. Confirming that Shiro really is medium costs us nothing. It doesn't confirm Shiro as town even. It does allow us to move on with evaluating Titus and other things though.
Like ... if the world we're in has a town!Shiro who is a medium who is really talking to Cerb ... then scum either can or cannot do anything about it. Cerb confirming it doesn't impact that in any way.
And Cerb is way beyond smart enough to know that.
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Ummm nope. It doesn't work that way.In post 4182, Titus wrote:In post 4180, Sando wrote:
He has...Cerb is refusing to answer...apparentlyIn post 4178, Titus wrote:So, you can ask something only you and Cerb know. Like a comment in a hydra pt. Remove me from the equation.Yes. Which then makes Drixx whole I'm coaching Shiro by Cyrano absurd so I decided when he does talk, just remove me from the equation to reduce noise.
YOU cannot tell anyone how many times Cerb butt dialed me on Slack recently and which day it happened on. You also cannot tell anyone what I gave him a list of tonight. Only he can answer those, and he would have already. Confirming that Shiro is a medium in contact with him costs nothing and lets us settle that question and move on.
As long as it remains an open question, we're not moving on. There's no way Cerb would refuse to spend nothing in order to avoid us wasting 2-3 days.
Not a thing he would say. Answering my questions doesn't confirm your alignment. It only confirms that you have the medium power and lets us know to expect an infodump from him later this day phase.In post 4191, Shiro wrote:He says you should all go back to playing mafia and stop giving unknown alignment! Shiro ways to hide by talking to him.
ItALSObuilds in a mechanism for him to confirm you relayed his infodump accurately. I ask him 2 more questions only he could possibly answer.
But here we are and Titus is trying to pretend there's no way this could be a gambit (not a good look), and we have a supposed refusal to confirm by a person who simply would have worked out the angles even before I did (especially since the game was open for hours before I checked in) and thus wouldn't see any value in allowing this to remain an unanswered question for days. He would confirm it immediately so we have concrete info.
Knowing for sure that Shiro has medium and Titus took precog narrows the possibility space for how ank ended up dead... especially since power negation being an available thing greatly diminishes the idea that Scum started with a factional strongman.
The more of this puzzle we have, the more we can get done while we wait for his infodump ... if he were actually in communication here. And he knows that. And he knows scum will break his communication off before he ever gets to an infodump in all possible worlds. So it bears repeating:
QED: Cerb isn't talking to Shiro. Cerb would already have passed the answers to my two questions so we could get on with extrapolating from known info.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Even if Cerb believes that Shiro is scum, he STILL answers my questions. That still means Shiro absolutely has medium, stops this pages long debate from going on for days, and adds to the known info we can work from. There's also no downside because: IF Shiro is town and telling the truth then a scum team with the ability to power negate Shiro will do it ASAP to shut down any communication from Cerb to the game. Doing that would also make Shiro look really bad. So if scum CAN shut it down, they will do so the moment the person who can do it shows up.In post 4209, Sando wrote:
Or he's talking to Cerb who is pretty sure Shiro is scum. But then Cerb can't have any more info on Shiro than we do?In post 4195, Drixx wrote:Like ... if the world we're in has a town!Shiro who is a medium who is really talking to Cerb ... then scum either can or cannot do anything about it. Cerb confirming it doesn't impact that in any way.
And Cerb is way beyond smart enough to know that.
QED: Cerb isn't talking to Shiro.
Cerb would have realized this before I even showed up to the thread.
This means that confirming Shiro as medium by answering my two questions has no negative utility.
It also means we have an elegant test to ensure that Shiro passes along what Cerberus wants to communicate to us. I simply ask another set of questions and the correct answer to said questions means Shiro relayed the info accurately. Wrong answers means not.
Trying to handwave and say "Shiro wouldn't have lied about this as scum" is absolutely meaningless. Shiro has a wide range as scum. Titus is basically universally scumread and this kind of thing is right up her alley.AND SHE TRIED TO GET ME TO MAKE MY QUESTION ONE SHE CAN ANSWER. Like ... it's plausible that this is a gambit.
It's very implausible that Cerb refuses to give us concrete info to stop us going round and round about this.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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Nah ... Cerb would just give the wrong answers if he was in convo with Shiro and wanted us to rope Shiro.In post 4214, Sando wrote:
Also if this is true, holy fuck well played Cerb.In post 4212, Sando wrote:
Theory: Scum!Shiro isn't lying, is talking to Cerb, who took his opportunity to get us information by being an unreasonable dick to get Shiro lynched.In post 4205, Titus wrote:Ok, why does Scum!Shiro lie here?
Based upon what evidence?In post 4219, Sakura Hana wrote:Actually I believe now that Shiro's talking with Cerb.
Nope. That doesn't cut it. There's literally hundreds of questions I can ask which only Cerb can answer. He knows this. Therefore if he were talking to you he would be fine confirming you because we can check every bit of info you pass along at any time we want.In post 4220, Shiro wrote:@Drixx
Cerb says that maybe he wants everyone to suspect me so he can create associatives like he would do if he was alive by acting scummy/arrogant.
Or maybe he doesn't trust me enough to confirm me so I dont start saying shit he isn't telling me after I confirm the link.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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I already asked (and repeated in a reply to you) two questions that he can answer but you cannot. I've also laid out the rationale for why I believe cerb would have answered my questions.In post 4223, Titus wrote:@Drixx, I don't think I can get any clearer than doing a test that removes me from the equation. Cerb should only be able to talk today anyway soooo
Until proven otherwise, this is a scum gambit by Shiro.
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You seriously want to call me crazy again, Titus?In post 4225, Titus wrote:
Not sure I do but it fits my purposes to move on and start sorting people. Kinda glad I didn't power Drixx now though bc this is kinda crazy where he's at...In post 4222, Sakura Hana wrote:Shiro just asked me a question that i dont see Shiro asking in a million years, so i believe it.
Please point out where in the logic chain I made a mistake. You won't be able to. The fact that you just went to your Space Dandy 2 playbook is pretty telling, given how that went.Get to know a Drixx - Recently Updated!- Drixx
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I mean ... in SD2 you called me crazy and it got super ugly and I was so right that the situation was far worse than I thought. The game literally would have ended in a scum win on day 1 if scum had realized what Cerb and I saw immediately. You called me crazy over it.
And this time I actually have a rock solid logical progression instead of supposition with a high probability of being accurate.
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