Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Frozen Angel]

I was short on my fifth pick back then.

I was thinking about isoing nancy to choose her as fifth. I asked several people about their reads on her

I did skim read her and she just sounds pure af so i went with it

[Frozen Angel]

I can see a team like toog katsuki and nancy remaining.

Maybe kokichi, nosfertu

the worst

idk. I actually think toog/katsuki has a definite scum in it

I am pretty sure Nancy is town and this is just paranoia FA.

I just want us to talk about and challenge the last slot who could be a scum that titus gave power to a little more.'

why is she town?

[Frozen Angel]

if titus wanted to go with an all town list she could pick drixx who was also in her list and would make way more sense for her cause like who beleives drixx is town and doesn't give him power?

I'm just trying to spin this chess board to see why titus made that choice back then and why scum are killing people who can protect themselves this easily.

[Frozen Angel]

Also I'm not saying she is neccessirly scum. It's just a poe that I want resolved so can you explain your reads on her a little more practical?

[Frozen Angel]

what do you mean first dibs?

[Frozen Angel]

I never saw nancy scum but this is way more purer than her last town game I saw. i admit. I really want to know what did she do night 2.

[Frozen Angel]

I never saw nancy scum but this is way more purer than her last town game I saw. i admit. I really want to know what did she do night 2.

As do I but there is no reason to attach the could be scum in order to obtain it.

Sure

[Frozen Angel]

I picked power negation night 2. Haven't used it so far though.

and also yeah fair point math. I think the people titus suggested strongly and pushed strongly yesterday and the day before are not the ones she gave power negation too if any yep

Can you tell me why you didn’t use this?

Something is pinging me about your power statements.

I was vulnrable night 2. I used phasing to redirect a possible kill to sando. I was thinking phasing will happen before power negation - I was not even thinking about the possibility of a blocking before redirect.

I was not vulnrable night 1 or night 3 so I didn't use phasing

[Frozen Angel]

Ok so I got a permise wrong. As long as a scum has power negation even phasing won't redirect the kill cause in NAR:

Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect

block is above the redirect for some reason.

Uhmmm

Wouldn’t phasing just not work at all?

Because of the posts you quoted. The scum kill would be a factional ability right? So I don’t see how you can have it both ways here.

Phasing redirct any ability use out of my slot

power negation negates all superhero abilities. I didn't pay attention to the world superhero abilities night 2 when I picked that ability (which was before all the talk we did about power negation)

[Frozen Angel]

Phasing: Target another player. Any actions that target you before the next Night Phase will target them instead.

[Frozen Angel]

Power Negation: Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

[Frozen Angel]

@fa, why did you want to redirect a kill to sando?

Cause I had a very hard scum read on him back then. check the eod of day 2 and how I cased him

I was just trying to redirect the kill out of me to my scumread

[Frozen Angel]

Can you explain what felt sketchy as fuck in your opinion?

[Frozen Angel]

If I really wanted to get my hands dirty on a gun-to-head gut read, I'd say Frozen Angel is likely scum. Day 3 I don't actually recall a lot of driving force from her, but I wasn't paying a ton of attention either. I know she didn't vote until near the end of the day, and the posts I remember just felt like she was trying be engaging without heavily defending or attacking any particular player.

That is a blatant lie cause I was voting shiro way early in day

I was leader and I didn't want to rush the day cause I had a list to submit before night starts. I was the person who slodified titus lynch yestersay and I was pushing different directions.

Is this supposed to be a derp coming from you or is this a scum claim?

[Frozen Angel]

*Super Strength: Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated.

This is actually saying "any actions" so its a strongman for scum itself if a scum gets this they won't need power negation in first place

@Math we can't be sure titus gave power to town so the misterious scum who was in place of ank the night they killed ank could do it too

[Frozen Angel]

No one else read that post trog just posted or what?

[Frozen Angel]

*Super Strength: Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated.

This is actually saying "any actions" so its a strongman for scum itself if a scum gets this they won't need power negation in first place

@Math we can't be sure titus gave power to town so the misterious scum who was in place of ank the night they killed ank could do it too

Super strength, if there is scum pr, could be super powerful.

But let us focus on hunting scum first and foremost please, and not getting distracted by the prs that exist

yeah

VOTE: Trog

[Frozen Angel]

Toogeloo and Katsuki are in different levels of slight scum imo first for the way they were derping earlier which just felt fake and excessive there and because of molla and second because of hard active-lurking

oh toog slot doing it with titus.

toog claims its because 1-9 and titus relationship could not be bus and he posted stuff. It's a legit thinking process, I just think it could be distancing and that titus is capable of pulling that too. I have some high level concerns for molla-toog slot and his short iso doesn't feeel right cause its mostly empty reads and defending titus than solving. I think toog is a kind of player that will hide his evaluations and won't post his thought process regardless of alignment but it just feels naked.

His first readlist is too elaborated to be just from 1-9 iso and the way he chose nos also makes no sense

Since you were one of my eod attentions that crap coming from you is some elaborated bullshit.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Toogeloo

I meant this not toranaga

[Frozen Angel]

Putting "I want to pointy gun at fa" accusing me of sidelining for not voting when I was leader, saying that I was not taking any stances and then claiming he didn't read the game.

I want an elaborated explanation or I won't ever change my vote

[Frozen Angel]

"Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated." so a doctor or a roleblock (which we don't even have as power negate can't stop the factional) would always fail against the kill that was with SS

[Frozen Angel]

As giving the kill super strength is not manipulating the potential heal or block and is manipulating the kill itself I'm assuming the kill will always bypass heal/block even if all of them have super strength

[Frozen Angel]

FA, who the hell is trog?

I meant toog fixed that already.

[Frozen Angel]

r is next to t I was just typing fast xd

[Frozen Angel]

there is a loophole between actions and power negate yeah

a super strength bp is a bp that always will be activated

a super strength power negate is a blocking action that will always go through

same for all other abilities.

For factional kill and anything else there are no loopholes cause

a super strength kill - is a kill that will always go through.

a super strength heal or block can't be stopped from triggering but can get bypassed by a non stopable kill. so there are no loopholes there.

[Frozen Angel]

there is a loophole between actions and power negate yeah

a super strength bp is a bp that always will be activated

a super strength power negate is a blocking action that will always go through

same for all other abilities.

For factional kill and anything else there are no loopholes cause

a super strength kill - is a kill that will always go through.

a super strength heal or block can't be stopped from triggering but can get bypassed by a non stopable kill. so there are no loopholes there.

Yay more fun immovable force problems.

Strongman kill meets strongman BP lolz.

I was just saying there shouldn't be a loophole here cause "*Super Strength: Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated."

A ss kill is not manipulating the bp or blocking it so it will go through even if bp is activated.

[Frozen Angel]

So the super bp will stop the super factional kills?!

[Frozen Angel]

So the super bp will stop the super factional kills?!

No

The super factional kill would go through per Dream Weaver

But we just make sure only town gets super then huzzah we win.

True!

[Frozen Angel]

scum titus was already dead before last night started so whoever was the remaining scum, they didn't need to hide the fact that ank does not have any powers to save titus.

Which means they wanted to keep the confusion about ank not having power/didn't really want ank around/didn't believe we might mislynch shiro/just wanted to have a safe kill in people with powers

@Gamma

[Frozen Angel]

I never picked bp cause I thought phasing is the way more powerful version of same thing

[Frozen Angel]

UNVOTE: ]/unvote]

we need to discuss leadership

@Toog where is your elaborated answer?

[Frozen Angel]

sakura drixx is cool

[Frozen Angel]

I'm usually checking the thread on my phone so I'm not missing things that happening in game and I have no trouble catching up most of the time. But I'm a really busy women and this is the much you can get from me.

Also my play is above 95% engaging others even in my short periods. I'm pretty sure I engaged with 90% of this playerlist at some point.

[Frozen Angel]

I was really busy late d1/early day 2 and I missed a great deal of the game and had to post a series of catchup posts. That was because I was hosting a big/fast mafia game and my free time was occupied.

[Frozen Angel]

@toogelo have you even read my posts now that you're accusing me that I'm scum?

[Frozen Angel]

like what is even your accusation? Fa might still be scum so she is?!

You said I didn't take any stances in last day phase - that is a blatant lie. Also you are repeatedly claiming you didn't read things

what are you scum reading me for then if you didn't read things I posted?

[Frozen Angel]

I was reading backward. I'm fine with either as leader.

[Frozen Angel]

@toogelo have you even read my posts now that you're accusing me that I'm scum?

Nope!

like what is even your accusation? Fa might still be scum so she is?!

You said I didn't take any stances in last day phase - that is a blatant lie. Also you are repeatedly claiming you didn't read things

what are you scum reading me for then if you didn't read things I posted?

Why does this have you so worked up? I'm confscum to you, so why aren't you ignoring me? Me calling you scum was 100% all-american prime beef gut.


Hey, stun? I've practically offered myself up for free. Why do I need a counter lynch? Not saying the worst maybe doesn't need a little pressure now and again to keep him honest, but pivoting off me to start something on another player seems a bit odd don't you think?

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU're confscum to me?!

like wtf is this?!

And I never ignore anyone. It's just my personality. Do you hate attention? It's contradictory with you accusing me off sidelining right here.

[Frozen Angel]

Probably once 2 years ago? Was he ina large game on ms?

I don't remember at all. I remember his username but I think he was in gitsu? or maybe that was another large or a mini

[Frozen Angel]

I think he is trying to rile you up.

Do you have any comments on leaders etc?

I feel like scum are just lurking. We need to make this day productive and talk constructive things.

I'm sorry for being less active. Work/uni just got a little rough on me. And I'm spending my little freetime elsewhere atm. I'll check this as much as I can though.

I think sakura and drixx are both good choices for leadership.

[Frozen Angel]

Toog ignored my question about why he thinks I'm counting him as a confirmed scum?!

[Frozen Angel]

The reason toog is scum is because:

- his defense of titus
- his questionable leader vote
- molla being scummy when he was in game
- lieing/shading and misrepresenting me

Not him not focusing on game enough. That is something he started telling us starting today by constant whining about the game speed

[Frozen Angel]

The reason toog is scum is because:

- his defense of titus
- his questionable leader vote
- molla being scummy when he was in game
- lieing/shading and misrepresenting me

Not him not focusing on game enough. That is something he started telling us starting today by constant whining about the game speed

Whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart .

at least you didn't take back the "sweetheart" like some people in your next post

[Frozen Angel]

can you tldr me what is this detonation plan?

[Frozen Angel]

what are you suggesting? taking questionable people tomorrow so they can detonate other questionable people?

[Frozen Angel]

or to use our town block to detonate the questionable people?

[Frozen Angel]

Questionable people detonate other questionable people.

If they are questionable people how are you suggesting we can trust them to do this plan and to not detonate the town block?!

[Frozen Angel]

say you pick 2 scum and 1 town to give it to. you lose 3-4 town + 2 scum? that's..... sensational?

say you pick 3 town, you lose 3-6 townies who need to die for you to sort the rest of the list, plus 0-3 scum depending literally on how many scum are in the lynchpool

actually I liked this math

[Frozen Angel]

we cen get self detonation tomorrow night right? so it will be a plan for 2 days later in game. The number might be way shorter than what you're saying which is actually a positive thing for that plan

[Frozen Angel]

I need to think about this a little more.

[Frozen Angel]

one issue with the plan is that these scums get night kills instead of bomb and decide to kill us before we can lynch them all.

[Frozen Angel]

open wolfing

[Frozen Angel]

is petrification available the night bomb is out there?

[Frozen Angel]

we can actually do it in a lower scale. we don't need to make 3 people detonators. we can go with 1 mid tier player or something like that to detonate some scummy player

[Frozen Angel]

Did nancy even show up today?

did she claim what she did picked 2?

[Frozen Angel]

nancy what did you take nigh 2?

[Frozen Angel]

nancy what did you take nigh 2?

Read.my.fucking.posts. and you’re welcome.

I'm tired af and it's post midnight and I have 10 pages or something to catchup

whats the big deal of repeating it?

[Frozen Angel]

I never saw nancy scum but this is way more purer than her last town game I saw. i admit. I really want to know what did she do night 2.

@nancy, frozen angel wants to know what you did night 2 with your action

What action did SHE pick? I don’t recall her claiming it on D3, unlike myself, Math and Sakura. I know she has Phasing, right?

I hard claimed it yesterday I picked power negation but I never used it.

[Frozen Angel]

I never saw nancy scum but this is way more purer than her last town game I saw. i admit. I really want to know what did she do night 2.

@nancy, frozen angel wants to know what you did night 2 with your action

What action did SHE pick? I don’t recall her claiming it on D3, unlike myself, Math and Sakura. I know she has Phasing, right?

P.edit I didn’t claim, I

crumbed

. She can ISO my posts on D2, if this is so important to her.

what did you crumb? hard claim it now

[Frozen Angel]

Also what is with that attidue? why would you answer that with a question and react to me like this now that I'm asking about it?

[Frozen Angel]

Also what is with that attidue? why would you answer that with a question and react to me like this now that I'm asking about it?

Uhmmm FA you forget you’re complaining about a small about ND has been gone for a few days and catching up.

The crumb is also blatantly obvious IMHO. :/

At work with work emergency.

I didn't see it and I want to know it.

I've been gone for few days cause I don't have unlimited free time. again what is with this attidue? wasn't she also gone for few days before that?

[Frozen Angel]

if you're still talking about the bomb plan there is only one issue with it: the people we choose happen to be all scum and get ability powers that will win the game in that night. I don't think we will be in a nearly loosing scenario in 2 days so the plan should be safe.

[Frozen Angel]

Also what is with that attidue? why would you answer that with a question and react to me like this now that I'm asking about it?

Uhmmm FA you forget you’re complaining about a small about ND has been gone for a few days and catching up.

The crumb is also blatantly obvious IMHO. :/

At work with work emergency.

I didn't see it and I want to know it.

I've been gone for few days cause I don't have unlimited free time. again what is with this attidue? wasn't she also gone for few days before that?

I will let her explain not gonna try at midnight when it’s my read.

And neither do I. I am not giving attitude it just feels like you were expecting Nancy to have seen all of your posts and be caught up when she was on VLA.

I was asking 1 sinple question: what did you pick night 2

I asked her again cause I saw she is back

she said "GO READ MY POST"

and I was like wtf is with this attitude and I went to iso and ctrl+f "night 2" to see if she responded to it and her response was "What did she pick? I don't remember she claiming! I crumbed it though" and I'm like what's with that attitude either? why answering a question with a question?

[Frozen Angel]

if you're still talking about the bomb plan there is only one issue with it: the people we choose happen to be all scum and get ability powers that will win the game in that night. I don't think we will be in a nearly loosing scenario in 2 days so the plan should be safe.

First The bomb may not be available in 2 days FA.
Second if the people all happen to be scum should not be a thing. We are picking the townreads. If we pick all scum we deserve to lose because as a collective our reads sucked.
Third they shouldn’t be able to
The town block activates BP
There shouldn’t be enough people for scum to kill and/or not enough powers. Please double check my math if you like. I am pretty sleepy.

all those points valid depending on what abilities are available

as I said the last time I was discussing the bomb thing I think the plan is pretty great and I like the math behind it.

[Frozen Angel]

why toogelo is not yet lynched

[Frozen Angel]

why toogelo is not yet lynched

b/c we are still discussing things, at least from MPOV. Anxious to get to night?

not really. I just feel disconnected from this game atm

[Frozen Angel]

thanks nancy that's great enough <3

[Frozen Angel]

cerb stances were al;l contradictory and confusing af

he was asking me to give them night abilities and saying they were first line of suspects if it he was a spk (strong player kill)

[Frozen Angel]

I think drixx way of poking shiro when we were trying to identify cerb was really towny

[Frozen Angel]

I don't trust mathblade's reads, I'm not going to follow them and suggest everyone to follow their instincts instead of what some loud town captain keeps repeating

Spoiler: notes

123456789 (4): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus
zMuffinMan (4): BBmolla, Katsuki, Frozen Angel, Nancy Drew 39

Human Sequencer ZzMuffin Up Nancy Down

123456789 (6): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu

Titus (3): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Ankamius

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Katsuki and Nos review for bussing

123456789 (7): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2): Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Hebi down, Ank closes bus window or starts race

123456789 (8): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, the worst

Titus (6): 123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan, Ankamius


Bus race not likely when Ank swaps wagons closer to EoD, Sando possible bus

Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, hebichan, zMuffinMan
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald



zMuffinMan (4): Sando, the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Shiro (2): Sakura Hana, hebichan

zMuffinMan (3): Sando, the worst, BBmolla


Drixx (3): Sakura Hana, Sando, Katsuki
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald
zMuffinMan (3): the worst, BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (3): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst
Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade

Myloninja13 (5): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, Creature, hebichan

Sando (3): Nosferatu, Drixx, Gamma Emerald

Drixx (2): Sando, Katsuki
zMuffinMan (2): BBmolla, MathBlade


Myloninja13 (9): zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, the worst, hebichan, Kokichi Oma, Shiro, Toranaga, Nancy Drew 39, Creature

Sando (5): Nosferatu, Gamma Emerald, Frozen Angel, Titus, Ankamius

zMuffinMan (3): BBmolla, MathBlade, Drixx


Looking at the Sando wagon, it is nearly universally town. Zmuffin in it's iterations is largely unknown. Drixx is a lightning rod with all sorts of players voting him. Reads more like people wouldn't mind lynching him than players viewing him as scum.

VOTE: Sando

Sakura and zmuffin are likely town due to their early votes on Numbers. Don't vote them until lylo plus 2 unless they get toxic. Yet zmuffin recurrs as a wagon. It's almost like town lets scum wagon the smart people.

My focus today would be on Sando, the worst, bb slit and Math. Lynching a lurker over Sando gives more red flags for Sando.

Don't lynch Sakura, zmuffin

Toranga Nancy Creature should have scum if Sando is scum

What do you make of the bolded? It reads like Titus is spewing Sando, you, me and Creature.

I think this makes sando likely town and if you go by the rule of 3, its suggesting that there is a scum in Toranga Nancy Creature xd.

[Frozen Angel]

yeah toog is definitly not obvious town and his read on me makes absolutely no sense what so ever

[Frozen Angel]

yeah toog is definitly not obvious town and his read on me makes absolutely no sense what so ever

what motive does he have as scum to announce a gut scumread on you after self voting? I'm troubled that you're not seeing past the scumread.

he wants to appear solving and doing things. He is failing to back up his read or to even start discussing it in directly unshady manner and he just dodges the attention by saying "o you saw how fa reacted?" and stuff like that. if he truely wanted to solve the game he would start isoing titus or something or he would iso me if he was so concerned. what he said there was 100% surface level pure garbage

[Frozen Angel]

do you think toogeloo is more likely mafia than creature, FA?

yes cause I'm reading toog defense of titus and it sucks af.

[Frozen Angel]

he claimed he voted nosferuta as leader for day 2? or 3 the day he replaced in and nosferatu was not in the readlist he claimed he got by isoing the scum flip. how is that even making any sense to just give leadership you have no read on instead of going with announced town plan or giving it to a townread of yours?

[Frozen Angel]

His today is pure "hey I want to get lynched so don't lynch me" bullshit. He promised yesterday that he will read the entire game if titus was flipping scum and (I don't expect him to read all the game) this is the best he affords to do

[Frozen Angel]

I really got under FA's skin though when I said "gun-to-head, gut scum read = FA." Kinda makes me wonder why I hit a nerve so easily. I mean, I was already a dead man when I said that, so why wouldn't she just blow it off? My one and only read the entire day phase, and it struck the ire of someone.

how is this making any sense in response to me asking:

Toogeloo and Katsuki are in different levels of slight scum imo first for the way they were derping earlier which just felt fake and excessive there and because of molla and second because of hard active-lurking

oh toog slot doing it with titus.

toog claims its because 1-9 and titus relationship could not be bus and he posted stuff. It's a legit thinking process, I just think it could be distancing and that titus is capable of pulling that too. I have some high level concerns for molla-toog slot and his short iso doesn't feeel right cause its mostly empty reads and defending titus than solving. I think toog is a kind of player that will hide his evaluations and won't post his thought process regardless of alignment but it just feels naked.

His first readlist is too elaborated to be just from 1-9 iso and the way he chose nos also makes no sense

Since you were one of my eod attentions that crap coming from you is some bullshit.

Putting "I want to pointy gun at fa" accusing me of sidelining for not voting when I was leader, saying that I was not taking any stances and then claiming he didn't read the game.

I want an elaborated explanation or I won't ever change my vote

[Frozen Angel]

and yeah he tried his best to make us feel bad about lynching titus without adding anything valuable in defense of her. I was rereading those posts yesterday.

how does any of that making any sense to you as genuine content?

[Frozen Angel]

"I voted for Nosferatu last night to be leader. I voted for him entirely on the basis of being someone I know and him being on the scum lynch and off the town lynch only. I have not read anything else in the game outside of the rules, vote counts, and those two ISOs." how is that unreasonable or scum indicative?

he had a readlist in same post and nos was not there Why would anyone vote someone completely random as leader and to not even follow a proposed plan that was the last posts of the previous day but not even doing it based on his own readlist

[Frozen Angel]

do you agree with math that creature is spewed town because of titus, and what's your read on creature?

I think it looks slightly good for creature that titus was going to make that counterwagon yeah. I must reiso creature I think. What I said about him yesterday is how I'm currently looking at him - still

[Frozen Angel]

ah he was obviously not even hoping for a counterwagon on me

what he said was like "hey lets poke fa with sticks" and inviting others to do that. It just is baseless crap and he was trying to make other people paranoid of me and to show he is doing something when in reality he was dodging even elaborating that shade he throw on me.

[Frozen Angel]

"I voted for Nosferatu last night to be leader. I voted for him entirely on the basis of being someone I know and him being on the scum lynch and off the town lynch only. I have not read anything else in the game outside of the rules, vote counts, and those two ISOs." how is that unreasonable or scum indicative?

he had a readlist in same post and nos was not there Why would anyone vote someone completely random as leader and to not even follow a proposed plan that was the last posts of the previous day but not even doing it based on his own readlist

cause nos wasn't an associative read he made while ISOing 1-9, but he personally thinks nos is a good player, he likes him, and thought nos voting 1-9 over titus looked good enough to cast a leader vote there. none of that is unreasonable to me but alas.

then why nos was not in his readlist? where is all this logic coming from? where did toog state any of this?

[Frozen Angel]

do you agree with math that creature is spewed town because of titus, and what's your read on creature?

I think it looks slightly good for creature that titus was going to make that counterwagon yeah. I must reiso creature I think. What I said about him yesterday is how I'm currently looking at him - still

titus did not make creature a counterwagon. she simply voted there after I did, when she just posted that she scumreads creature. a player who is deep into his scum meta and every wolf knows is gonna flip sooner or later.

creature is deep in his scum meta?

[Frozen Angel]

I have no objection with seeing creature dead tbh. Looking at his iso this is not at all like his town game. I still think there is this chance that such judgement of meta is wrong

[Frozen Angel]

yeah and I'm not sure what to think about it

[Frozen Angel]

eh I don't know

I still want toog dead

[Frozen Angel]

I have no objection with seeing creature dead tbh. Looking at his iso this is not at all like his town game. I still think there is this chance that such judgement of meta is wrong

yes there's a chance creature is town and just playing very scummy. you agree he is objectively wolfy, right? regardless of whatever meta we have on the player, if anyone sees an ISO like creature's they'd wanna see creature dead.

I think he has a decent chance to flip scum based on iso yes.

[Frozen Angel]

I'll iso drixx later today.

[Frozen Angel]

yeah I'll iso drixx later today to see the full posts and the context and to see how I feel about it.

[Frozen Angel]

And thank you for making me interested in doing it by posting your impression about his iso

[Frozen Angel]

I did not led any counter wagon to mylo I was trying to get sando lynched.

[Frozen Angel]

@Sando and whoever he was talking to

[Frozen Angel]

Who is UFO?

your only whiteknight

Ah, so why do they call you UFO?

cause he is ufo on mafia universe

[Frozen Angel]

I really don't have enough energy to catchup or read or even think about this tonight

xd

[Frozen Angel]

i'm so sorry for lacking activity in this day phase. I'm just really busy irl and things are messy

and I've been using my free time for something else that was in time rush

I can't iso drixx as promised today. I'll do it tomorrow morning when I'm up and my eyes are not red very likely

[Frozen Angel]

I will also use phasing with super strength. for same reason I should be safe tonight or a scum is in the party

[Frozen Angel]

I should probably start isoing people instead of trying to directly catch up

[Frozen Angel]

sure I'll do my iso reads in 30 min. just have to prepare something in the kitchen. I'm home and I have time today

[Frozen Angel]

Sorry for bringing up old stuff and sorry if I'm repeating others I haven't read most of today

I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.

I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.

drixx how did you proceed from this post to #2136 (attacking the people who were pushing titus or baiting her as you mentioned)?

[Frozen Angel]

But seriously ... Cerb being night killed early is literally always a reason to suspect me.

also what about this changed now that you said that's a horrible reason to suspect you to nero?

[Frozen Angel]

Just for the record: Titus did not put me on the team or give me powers or anything. I think a town!Titus would have given me a power choice 99 times out of a 100 given the game state at end of day and the very high likelihood that she gets roped today. Especially with Cerb already dead. I also would have expected a scum!Titus to do so as well and try and convince me she's town and to help her avoid getting roped; however, I can also see scum!Titus trying to play at level 2 and take advantage of that expectation by not throwing me a power.

This is actually a pretty good look for drixx tbh

why would scum titus not give scum drixx power or to give him that secretly which would look bad for her. I can't see drixx and titus being a pair

[Frozen Angel]

Just for the record: Titus did not put me on the team or give me powers or anything. I think a town!Titus would have given me a power choice 99 times out of a 100 given the game state at end of day and the very high likelihood that she gets roped today. Especially with Cerb already dead. I also would have expected a scum!Titus to do so as well and try and convince me she's town and to help her avoid getting roped; however, I can also see scum!Titus trying to play at level 2 and take advantage of that expectation by not throwing me a power.

This is actually a pretty good look for drixx tbh

why would scum titus not give scum drixx power or to give him that secretly which would look bad for her. I can't see drixx and titus being a pair

Sorry what am I missing, why can't Drixx be lying about this?

This would look extremly bad for titus. WHy would scum titus and scum drixx hide the fact that titus is giving a scum!drixx power or to not give him such power when she had him on her potential list.

[Frozen Angel]

Didn't he get some BP power though?

That happened last night. he was also on my list.

[Frozen Angel]

Sorry for bringing up old stuff and sorry if I'm repeating others I haven't read most of today

I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion. And it has.

I think claims of who you voted for should stop and someone super trusted (FA seems like the best choice) to make an ordered list and have folks claim. There are a few good reasons to do this and the less said about them before we do it the better.

drixx how did you proceed from this post to #2136 (attacking the people who were pushing titus or baiting her as you mentioned)?

Already addressed but perhaps I wasn't clear.

I can scum read someone and literally say that they are essentially lockscum and need to eat rope. I can,

at the same time

, view that person as a friend and even jump into the fray if that person is being personally abused. It's not mutually exclusive.

One thing is solving the game. The other is trying to reign in the incivility which has been slowly building over the years on this site.

So you're saying you had titus as a scum read then?

[Frozen Angel]

This would look extremly bad for titus. WHy would scum titus and scum drixx hide the fact that titus is giving a scum!drixx power or to not give him such power when she had him on her potential list.

1) Post set of 6 superhero team that can't possibly work
2) Don't give Ank powers
3) Kill Ank
4a) If Ank dies - "I totally gave Ank powers"
4b) If Ank lives - "Yeah sorry I could only give it to 5 so I dropped Ank"

yeah that is actually a point. maybe she put drixx as her backup claim for giving power in case ank survived so she had a leave away

still I can't see why scum titus would lie about giving scum drixx a power that night when it would make her look bad.

[Frozen Angel]

I was given a power.


Do I really have one or not?

unless if you were the one that titus gave power to secretly instead of ank, or if the power you're saying is factional you don't have it.

we also have power mimic that can check ability use

if drixx was secretly with power instead of ank he would get power negation and he wouldn't use the bp the night torgana checked him

[Frozen Angel]

Specially since the person who died could use bp.

[Frozen Angel]

still I can't see why scum titus would lie about giving scum drixx a power that night when it would make her look bad.

You mean why pick Drixx for this rather than a different partner?

Says it's less likely, but also says if so then Drixx was the only option they thought was believable for Titus to pick.

no

titus claimed a tr on drixx the day before and had him in his list. why would scum titus lie about not giving it to drixx when lieing about that was not beneficial for her and would actually make her look worse

[Frozen Angel]

but how can we tell if Titus/Drixx are lying?

Since tirgana said drixx used bp last night. if they were lieing then drixx was the scum with power negation and the one who negated shiro - probably.

[Frozen Angel]

plus as I just said why would titus lie about that when the lie would make her look worse

[Frozen Angel]

titus claimed a tr on drixx the day before and had him in his list. why would scum titus lie about not giving it to drixx when lieing about that was not beneficial for her and would actually make her look worse

How is it not beneficial?

Ank died N2, if Titus had admitted to not giving leadercandidate-Ank powers then I think she'd have been insta-lynched.
If Ank had not died N2 then Titus would have to be honest about not giving Ank powers, so she needed a plausible person to say she gave it to, hence the 6 person list.

You could always give it to Ank+Drixx but that reduces your chances of killing Ank, they could be pretty damn sure Ank picked Medium, but not sure Ank wouldn't pick BP N2 and use it then.

Oh actually you're saying drixx was her back up claim in case ank lived?!

[Frozen Angel]

That isd actually a very good theory

let me think on this a little bit

[Frozen Angel]

I should probably stop saying "now you give X to Y" given you've been leader twice and could reasonably interpret it as actually directed to you

what do u mean?

[Frozen Angel]

@FA no we don’t have Mimicry that checks any action it says super powers. Ergo it will only work if the Factional kill is a super power. Which would probably be a busted setup.

the response was about nero asking me about how we can check super powers

[Frozen Angel]

I skimmed torgana and I think they are nearly always town here

[Frozen Angel]

I also reread the last page of titus iso and now I think it could be distancing. Like titus was thinking: if they end up lynching me this guy might get a chance because of this and if they actually lynch them I get a bit of cred.

plus people were not going anywhere else so it was her only opening. I can't see any refrence to creature before that or am I missing anything?

[Frozen Angel]

Unless my memory sucks and Drixx didn’t get powers from FA

he didn't get powers from me n1 when phasing was available
he could get powers night 3

[Frozen Angel]

I beleive I was one of the people who made titus lynch certain day 3 and I demand my share of credit for it xd

[Frozen Angel]

What are the goos again and what are their colors and where can I see them

[Frozen Angel]

What are the goos again and what are their colors and where can I see them

*shrugs* seems like a Fruit Vendor to me. Hence why I called it such yesterday

Goos are definitely not fruits. There are mafia abilities with colored goos and there are setups that uses them

[Frozen Angel]

i think black goo makes ppl cult when they target them.
But im not exactly sure if this is the actual goo roles or just some sort of goo mechanic or simply change the player's color.

OI think purple was ability swap. This is ridiculous. I thought this game is not bastard

[Frozen Angel]

i think black goo makes ppl cult when they target them.
But im not exactly sure if this is the actual goo roles or just some sort of goo mechanic or simply change the player's color.

Sakura

Game lacks cults. Cults are defined bastard on MS.

But There is a cult goo for real. I'm alarmed af. let me search the wiki

[Frozen Angel]

Rainbow Goo: Whenever a player targets you with an action, you do something random (anything any other color can do) to them.
Orange Goo: You will steal the vote of anyone who targets you for the rest of the game.
Brown Goo: You will steal the vote of anyone who targets you for the next game day.
Green Goo: Whenever a player targets you with an action, they will become green goo and lose any powers they currently have. Their team doesn't change.
Toxic Goo: Anyone who targets you with an ability will die of poison at the end of the next day.
Black Goo: Whenever a player targets you with an action, they will join your cult as another black goo regardless of their original team.
Red Goo: Whenever someone targets you with an action, they become a neighbor of you.
Blue Goo: If you die or are lynched, the player who kills you or casts the lynching vote becomes blue goo themselves.
Turquoise Goo: When you die, you can turn another player into Turquoise Goo.
Purple Goo: Whenever someone targets you with an action, you switch roles with that player.
Silver Goo: Whenever another player targets you with an action, you become a perfect copy of that player.
White Goo: All dead players will turn to White Goo as they die. You show up as town on death.
Grey Goo: You can target a player to turn them into more Grey Goo. Their team doesn't change. (This is the only non-reflexive goo.)
Teal Goo: Anyone who targets you with an action will evolve to a new role.
Gold Goo: Whenever someone targets you with a non-group action, they lose the ability to use that action and you gain it.
Yellow Goo: Whenever someone targets you with an action, they lose the ability to use that action and you gain it. This even affects group actions. That member of the group can no longer perform that action. Other members of the group can still perform it

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Goo

[Frozen Angel]

This shit can't really be in a game like this tf

[Frozen Angel]

i think black goo makes ppl cult when they target them.
But im not exactly sure if this is the actual goo roles or just some sort of goo mechanic or simply change the player's color.

Sakura

Game lacks cults. Cults are defined bastard on MS.

But There is a cult goo for real. I'm alarmed af. let me search the wiki

Frozen there cannot be cults

We are confirmed starting out Vanilla in the op

Please like stop

JUST FUCKING READ THE BLACK GOO

it's confirmed and started as villa but this goo ability thing is a refrence to real goo ability things

[Frozen Angel]

alright

how was toogelo a villa?

[Frozen Angel]

Like how for real a town plays like that?

[Frozen Angel]

/end rant.

I'm up for killing creature. I was actually reading back drixx during night phase and I thought what sando explained can be a real thing but I'm still not sure why would a scum drixx with power negation use a bp next night when shiro could be protected

[Frozen Angel]

what sando proposed was this: Titus chose 6 people intentionally. one of those 6 were her scum partner. she had plans to kill ank over night. if ank would die then she could claim ank was in her list (lie about it as ank was dead) and if ank wouldn't die for some reason then she could just tell the truth and say her scum partner (the missing name) was in her real list.

[Frozen Angel]

There is one other issue with that theory and that is "why wouldn't titus and her scumteam be afraid of some people having mediums?"

If she lied about ank anyway.

talking about this is pointless though cause we can't never confirm if ank was really chosen or not. We should assume not cause titus happened to be scum and scum knew ank is their kill so she wouldn't choose her u know.

[Frozen Angel]

yeah obviously that is bastard. It was just the power role that ability implies.

[Frozen Angel]

That is a the ability that mod wrote in their vote count. I'm not going to any realms. That is the most important thing we need to resolve.

And I was talking about other things till mod answer that you brought it up again

[Frozen Angel]

Are we lynching creature or blowing him up with someone else?


VOTE: creature

placing my vote there till we get this sorted.

Explain to me why do you want creature dead. in one or two paragraphs if you may!

[Frozen Angel]

what do you mean voting toog felt like a waste? what was your read on him?

[Frozen Angel]

what do you mean voting toog felt like a waste?

I was pushing a counterwagon to two outed scum in the previous MU mash.

Can you guess why?

That is a wrong example. toog was not confirmed scum here unlike colin and robik there. what was your read on toog?

[Frozen Angel]

Assuming mod confirms me town, what would you think about hebichan + Kokichi + the worst team?

I can see each one of the three as scum individually. and that has nothing to do with how I can see you.

There are things about the worst I liked but things that felt like he is reaching/apealing/manipulating.

Kokichi is a no entity slot and is like a coin toss

hebichan was active lurkeing. didn't impact the game but was around to post a comment or two when things were happening imo. I need to re-iso them

what is your read on nero slot and why

[Frozen Angel]

Nancy...

Repeat after me
Do not go into the rabbit hole.

Do not go into the rabbit hole.

use gas to kill all the rabbits instead

@nancy black goo is a sort of cult

[Frozen Angel]

Actually I'm pretty sure FA's case on me came out of a random number generator too do who the fuck knows

I didn't post a case on you

I just told you how I feel

I can post you the posts that gave me such impressions

[Frozen Angel]

I so wanna slap kokichi right now

[Frozen Angel]

Like the post you just said in response that my concern is random is pretty much emotional and apealing too with litteraly 0 actual substance.

it's an answer you gave to make me want to town read you. It has happened before, so it's not natural way of responsing and you're manuipulting this on purpose.

I'm probably making no sense to anyone else rn

[Frozen Angel]

I don't even remember a single nos post

[Frozen Angel]

goo is a colored text indicator. people who vote me will be seen purple if I activate purple goo

It's some sort of watcher whose results will show up next day.

[Frozen Angel]

just checked with mod.

[Frozen Angel]

people who target me*

[Frozen Angel]

yeah you can choose your color

[Frozen Angel]

But I still don’t understand your FA comment. I didn’t know what powers she had until D3 and she didn’t even claim PN until D4 iirc? So, my pick was unrelated to that. *confused*

I think I claimed day 3? or was it day 4

[Frozen Angel]

If I use a colored thing it will be in

Teal

[Frozen Angel]

Now the question is, considering how OP a public self-watcher is do we really wanna go with the bombing plan? or should i just choose townies so if they die we know who targeted them.
And if we do i think we should probably announce colors beforehand.

How’d you get self watcher from that?
I thought it said another player?

Everyone that targets you would be publicly known by their color in the votecount.
So basically everyone knows who targeted you.
So basically a public self-watcher

I think that is backwards?

People give away goo. So all goo givers would have to hit the same target?

Then that target would be a rainbow?

Unless I am missing something.

Let me re-examine after work

what sakura said is true. I posted it in thread too

[Frozen Angel]

So Titus gave power to a scummate instead of Ank.

N2: Titus > FA, Nancy, Shiro, Math, Ank (Ank died)

So one of Nancy, FA or Math is scum?

Titus claimed she gave it to ank and they killed ank in same night. do you think scum would allow ank to learn bp if they wanted to kill her? and they would loose a chance to get a power role?

so she chose someone else instead of ank.

[Frozen Angel]

but real talk Math: don't use Petrification: on Creature. I mean, I guess you could but it seems useless and we want him dead. Save it. Self Petrification would be nice but not gonna happen...

Yes we do want him dead.

However forcing scum to kill me or negate me reveals a lot about the setup.

If Creature lives until tomorrow then Creature is confirmed scum and scum are confirmed to have negate.

If Creature is petrified then it confirms that scum thought he was a goner and held it (unlikely) or they don’t have it.

We have tons of obvTown forcing scum to kill me or negate me is a huge win.

We then blow up any potential scum and then give obvTown like FA and Nancy the goo and force them to use it since people were terrified of negates

This cages scum.

Give me a bit to think on this. But I think this is a lot better strategy.

why not bombing or lynching him? petrified players won't flip

[Frozen Angel]

ok what's kicking

[Frozen Angel]

I wanted to iso hebi, kokichi, nosferatu and necro slots at some point today. gona start with hebi

is there anything @me I must pay attention to first?

[Frozen Angel]

I have some tables I must sort tonight so I can't iso everyone should be able to do one and sure will do hebichan's first

[Frozen Angel]

just gona dump what I think from his posts in thread

early kokichi leadership thing is kinda ew

VOTE: alisae
Being serious here, uhh I townread Sando so far, and FA, I think.

1-9 seems fine. As does Cerb.


I need more kokichi content to determine his alignment.

talk about these reads a little bit

anyone else?

Sando and you seem to be willing to talk about things, sando bumped off ideas with me. Always nice.

1-9 just seems pretty engaged with trying to solve things.

I like how cerb turned down nomination.

I think shiro's last post was pretty good. Though, I vainly want his opinion of me. Meanie.

Ah rule of three this can be scum with 1-9

[Frozen Angel]

There are technically like 2-4 people o board for a titus lynch. I was just calling out cerb discounting other wagons today.

again "by this logic"

I don't even want a numbers lynch.

eh this is actually a really bad post mentioning both flipped scums :/

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not sure if I want 3 bombs to explode tomorrow. like thats too many sudden death without time to re-evaluate after flips.

[Frozen Angel]

Like 2 bombs seems a little bit slower and safer imo

[Frozen Angel]

There are technically like 2-4 people o board for a titus lynch. I was just calling out cerb discounting other wagons today.

again "by this logic"

I don't even want a numbers lynch.

Hey ank, lets talk.

Nancy
Numbers

Gamma

Titus

This is my lynch pool, probably not going outside of it.

Explain this shift in reads @Hebichan

[Frozen Angel]

I guess I need to get off my vanity wagon.

I don't like the one reads list Nancy posted, or how she's been following titus.

However, Titus seems like the more viable wagon this late in the day.

VOTE: Titus

Also this shift? you were against titus lynch and she was way lower than 1-9 in your lynch list.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think that titus is scum, probably scum are trying to scapegoat her here.

You tried to get titus lynched day 1 and you decided to think this over obv assumption that titus is scum at start of day 2?

[Frozen Angel]

I think the push on ank at the end of day yesterday could have been a scum coutnerwagon to numbers, since it was close.

I'm with muffin here with drixx, I see a lot of defense, so that's not going anywhere.

My reads are kinda like (titus, drixx) for scum and I'm a bit null on a lot of others.

Think math is always town here though.

This was a good post I think

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not sure if I want 3 bombs to explode tomorrow. like thats too many sudden death without time to re-evaluate after flips.

First it would be tonight not tomorrow, as explained before scum can just kill the one with the bomb that is not them.

Second there is no more risk with 3 than 2.

The math works out as we win even if we give all three bombs to scum. There is no reason not to give out all three bombs.

If we choose scum they won't get the bombs they will get petrification and will kill people later when they can win this without exploding themselves obv. It's a really risky thing to trust that

Also the bombs were not exploding during day? if not the scum might try to frame the bombers using roleblock or something? last night roleblock was offered and there is also a possible power negation in game. who were last night list again?

[Frozen Angel]

I wouldnt advocate neither Nero nor Tora being the suicide bombers, if anything i'd think they should be in the townbloc. I only had my doubts of Tora coz he dissapeared, but it was justified according to FA and i like his content since he came back too.

I don’t see what possible scum motivation either could have by offering but perhps Tora could Petrify safely right and Nero too? There is no such thing as a suicide Petrification powers. Maybe have 3 obvtowns Petrify 3 players of our choosing and 3 not in the townblock, detonate the 3 most questionable players still left in the game?

However, we have all chosen superheroes tonight commit, to whom we choose to either Petrify or bomb. Anyone who doesn’t follow the script, is essentially scum-claiming

Petrifying is a really bad action to perform since the target won't flip. We need the information to solve the game

[Frozen Angel]

1. Holy shit could titus be any scummier if she tried? Titus reaching out to Drixx like that makes me thing town!drixx is more likely.

2. VOTE: Mylo

I suppose that works...

This could be scum starting to bus idk. the progress on drixx is ok though

[Frozen Angel]

Petrification should not even be discussed we should not use that unless if only one scum is left or something and if we're sure we can heal people cause then it will be like a cop check/auto winner

[Frozen Angel]

Having too many scumreads isn't that indicative unless there's something else that makes it necessarily scummy.

Right..And there is. Namely Cerb's death and the fact he wanted to lynch in {Titus, you, and Nancy} and the post below among other "chainsaw" defenses.

Umm no. Cerb wanted hebi

Is no one going to engage me on why we should lynch Hebi or look at Cerb's ISO for an alternative reason why he died? Like I can't win the game alone. Everyone just insults me and calls me scum.

For reference.

This looks like a little bit distancy. like why would not titus push the hell out of hebi - this is the day mylo got mislynched

[Frozen Angel]

all this resistance to mylo, a slot who has literally no content, feels pretty scum motivated. With the exception of math's objections.

What resistance was this @ too? like your read on mylo was "zzz" when you voted him

how?

[Frozen Angel]

i will literally NEVER be in favor of a janitored vig, it's fine if scum uses it for THEM, coz they already know who's town and scum, but from a town PoV it just kills someone and then we never know if we hit town or scum and dont know how many of each remaining, as such, Any petrification use DOESNT MATTER WHO uses it im going to assume scum used it, so if you're town and somehow have it DO NOT use it.

It's useful if we have heal and petrification to clear someone

[Frozen Angel]

I don't know if sando is a better lynch it just felt right when I was isoing him with 1-9 and when I was reading how he reacted about putting me on list today but mylo is a no entity and I have no idea what to do with it

The fact mylo is not voting counter wagon is actually low-key towny

mylo isn't doing -anything-

It's NAI because its the same thing he's done for two entire days.

p-edit: The only legit case on mylo is admittedly muffin's where he tries to form an associative between mylo or drixx and numbers.

This was actually a very blunt lie

I'm sure I even pointed at my case for him?

Also

FA is literally the only person pushing sando I have a strong TR on.

makes no sense?

how could you miss how I was pushing sando if you were informed I was doing it hard?

[Frozen Angel]

I wouldnt advocate neither Nero nor Tora being the suicide bombers, if anything i'd think they should be in the townbloc. I only had my doubts of Tora coz he dissapeared, but it was justified according to FA and i like his content since he came back too.

I don’t see what possible scum motivation either could have by offering but perhps Tora could Petrify safely right and Nero too? There is no such thing as a suicide Petrification powers. Maybe have 3 obvtowns Petrify 3 players of our choosing and 3 not in the townblock, detonate the 3 most questionable players still left in the game?

However, we have all chosen superheroes tonight commit, to whom we choose to either Petrify or bomb. Anyone who doesn’t follow the script, is essentially scum-claiming

Petrifying is a really bad action to perform since the target won't flip. We need the information to solve the game

I just thought only if we send in any obvtowns, we wouldn’t want them to self-detonate.

Then don't force obvtowns to kill people.

[Frozen Angel]

Few thoughts. I don't think Katsuki is scummy enough to be the lynch over titus or sando today.

Like this post a bit

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not sure if I want 3 bombs to explode tomorrow. like thats too many sudden death without time to re-evaluate after flips.

First it would be tonight not tomorrow, as explained before scum can just kill the one with the bomb that is not them.

Second there is no more risk with 3 than 2.

The math works out as we win even if we give all three bombs to scum. There is no reason not to give out all three bombs.

If we choose scum they won't get the bombs they will get petrification and will kill people later when they can win this without exploding themselves obv. It's a really risky thing to trust that

Also the bombs were not exploding during day? if not the scum might try to frame the bombers using roleblock or something? last night roleblock was offered and there is also a possible power negation in game. who were last night list again?

@Frozen Angel even if all three scum are chosen for bombs and all three choose petrify we still win. All the scum would be confirmed and the last day is a two or three town versus last scum. If even all the scum choose petrify is literally a non factor. I don’t have the exact numbers but I posted them somewhere earlier.

In regards to roleblocks— It is extremely unlikely they had power negate or they could have easily used it in a myriad of ways like blocking Tor or disrupting some prior plans. We have already determined multiple times this is not the case Even if they do and they block one of the bombs going off then there are still two others to mitigate. Scum having two or three power negates would be insane. That scum roleblocker would have to solo an impenetrable townblock. They could say you did the block incorrectly but there is no way said person isn’t properly lynched by someone in the town block.

Then what are you suggesting?

Titus chose no one else but ank night 2 or that scum didn't choose power negation?

Makes no sense. I think they decided to not use it to get a false clear from ufo - potentially when they were hitting out of power roles or that they used it on shiro/ank the nights they killed them cause that would secure such kills

[Frozen Angel]

Petrification should not even be discussed we should not use that unless if only one scum is left or something and if we're sure we can heal people cause then it will be like a cop check/auto winner

I picked HT, I only used it once so far on Shiro. I think you picked that too iirc?

Yeah I have it and that night I used it on math since I was already leader, didn't need to use phasing then

[Frozen Angel]

But yeah if we can fully 100% trust the town block 6 death at night or 3 scum lurking with petrify should not win the game for them.

I think we will hit at least 2 scum this way anyway. maybe

[Frozen Angel]

Nope, still have no motivation for this game.

My lynch pool is probably creature, kokichi, nero cain. Probably someone else from Titus' power list. Maybe anka.

Nos and gamma seem pretty normal to me compared to what I know from them.

I don't think drixx or sando really make sense with titus as scum.

p-edit: VOTE: toog

Don't freaking @ scum, even sarcastically. Even I know Kokichi hasn't been picked for a hero team yet.

Scumreading dead ANK in post, declaring a lynch pool and voting for toog?!

[Frozen Angel]

Toog is probably town, but its what the town seems to want more than anything, and Toog is playing extremely stupid here.

wtf

[Frozen Angel]

UFO should not detonate himself wtf

[Frozen Angel]

You can't classify a town that is got frozen or power negated from a scum who got petrify and is lurking in shadows apart

[Frozen Angel]

why would want to kill yourself here? we should give it to people who are in the mid tier. You should be in power list tonight and you shouldn't just suicide your way -at least not early imo

[Frozen Angel]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

[Frozen Angel]

You can't classify a town that is got frozen or power negated from a scum who got petrify and is lurking in shadows apart

At that point, assuming it happens, which has already been established multiple times it can’t, we will know exactly how many scum are left and compare it to the lynch pool.

With most of the lynch pool obliterated again that is not a risk.

It's a free mislynch and it might put the remaining players in late game things - assuming a scum gets the bomb and kills the main townblock the rest will be a paranoia game.

[Frozen Angel]

I think 3 bombs is fine mechancially. It's just too much sudden death. you didn't answer me. are the bombs night actions? can't they be used tomorrow?

[Frozen Angel]

if we can make sure the bombs are used during day then they can explode without us dealing with power negation/freezing at night paranoia crap

[Frozen Angel]

assuming a scum gets the bomb and kills the main townblock

And a scum dies.
So...
Either they get a bomb a suicide on the townbloc and even assuming the townbloc doesnt protect themselves, that means 1 scum down.
Or they get petrify and are outed tomorrow.

yeah but I just gave a scenario where some scum will out themselves and the others will make us mislynch a town who couldn't use the bomb or something

if they can block people at night and bombs are night actions ofc

[Frozen Angel]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

Makes no sense. why would scum (who had also titus) choose another power over power negate night 2? like how can you assume that? It's WAY more likely that they used power negate with shiro ank kill and holestered last night or used it on stungun to make sure he dies and nothing itefers.

[Frozen Angel]

or they didn't use it for a false clear from ufo.

[Frozen Angel]

the bombs can be used by day and should definitely not be used as night actions IMO

^^^^^^^^^

We SHOULD not risk exploding people at night

Evry bomb should explode in day phase

[Frozen Angel]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

Makes no sense. why would scum (who had also titus) choose another power over power negate night 2? like how can you assume that? It's WAY more likely that they used power negate with shiro ank kill and holestered last night or used it on stungun to make sure he dies and nothing itefers.

Because Titus is an arrogant scum player who would likely think negate is inherently scummy.

Like this is completely irrational paranoia. It does not make sense.

ocaam razor says there is a power negation in game cause titus was scum. And yes the ability is scummy hence why she hide who got that power. If she wnated them to have a towny power she wouldn't choose a hidden scum for the ability.

You can say she didn't give any power to a scum instead of ank then with that logic but yours is built on moon.

[Frozen Angel]

Actually it will stop the freezing thing/roleblock.

we must decide the bombs today and announce the list but the kills must happen tomorrow during the day.

I think that is the optimal play?

[Frozen Angel]

Okay this is ridiculous.
Power Negation lasts into the following day phase as much as BP and Doc protection do as well.
We dont avoid power negation by doing it during the day.

you're right

it should be used at day because we can evaluate based on flips and direct the other suicides with it. it's obviously better than at night.

Except that for the 100th time doesn’t fucking work
Scum just kill the person with the bomb opposite them before they can explode
Or they kill a TvT pairing for the free mislynch.

uh actually thats a good point

[Frozen Angel]

Lets let them explode at night so scum can't kill them

[Frozen Angel]

I have some tables I must sort tonight so I can't iso everyone should be able to do one and sure will do hebichan's first

Anyone in particular, you think I should ISO?

oh crap I must go and work on my tables

idk really hebi looked scummy in first glance

[Frozen Angel]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

Makes no sense. why would scum (who had also titus) choose another power over power negate night 2? like how can you assume that? It's WAY more likely that they used power negate with shiro ank kill and holestered last night or used it on stungun to make sure he dies and nothing itefers.

Because Titus is an arrogant scum player who would likely think negate is inherently scummy.

Like this is completely irrational paranoia. It does not make sense.

ocaam razor says there is a power negation in game cause titus was scum. And yes the ability is scummy hence why she hide who got that power. If she wnated them to have a towny power she wouldn't choose a hidden scum for the ability.

You can say she didn't give any power to a scum instead of ank then with that logic but yours is built on moon.

Occam’s Razor says they don’t have it since they killed stun over the townblock.
It says Titus gave power to a scum but not who and not what.
And yes she would. She absolutely would and I have a feeling what.

Occam’s Razor says they have it since titus was leader that night and she wouldn't give the chance to ank to choose a bp in the night she was killing her.
But yeah I need to check night 2 powers again.
Occam’s Razor says they didn't want townblock killed and they shot stungun.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not sure if I want 3 bombs to explode tomorrow. like thats too many sudden death without time to re-evaluate after flips.

First it would be tonight not tomorrow, as explained before scum can just kill the one with the bomb that is not them.

Second there is no more risk with 3 than 2.

The math works out as we win even if we give all three bombs to scum. There is no reason not to give out all three bombs.

If we choose scum they won't get the bombs they will get petrification and will kill people later when they can win this without exploding themselves obv. It's a really risky thing to trust that

Also the bombs were not exploding during day? if not the scum might try to frame the bombers using roleblock or something? last night roleblock was offered and there is also a possible power negation in game. who were last night list again?

@Frozen Angel even if all three scum are chosen for bombs and all three choose petrify we still win. All the scum would be confirmed and the last day is a two or three town versus last scum. If even all the scum choose petrify is literally a non factor. I don’t have the exact numbers but I posted them somewhere earlier.

In regards to roleblocks— It is extremely unlikely they had power negate or they could have easily used it in a myriad of ways like blocking Tor or disrupting some prior plans. We have already determined multiple times this is not the case Even if they do and they block one of the bombs going off then there are still two others to mitigate. Scum having two or three power negates would be insane. That scum roleblocker would have to solo an impenetrable townblock. They could say you did the block incorrectly but there is no way said person isn’t properly lynched by someone in the town block.

Then what are you suggesting?

Titus chose no one else but ank night 2 or that scum didn't choose power negation?

Makes no sense.

I think they decided to not use it to get a false clear from ufo

- potentially when they were hitting out of power roles or that they used it on shiro/ank the nights they killed them cause that would secure such kills

The hidden scum could have picked it but didn’t UFO only claim Power Mimicry on D4?

I was talking about last night that they killed stun who didn't need power negate over everyone else in townblock

[Frozen Angel]

Will you stop bullshiting mathblade?

I just posted my concern with this to make sure it has no flaws.

[Frozen Angel]

And your plan will end up in people getting massacered with petrify. if by any chance we give 3 scums 3 petrify, they will litteraly auto win the game with 9 players alive

[Frozen Angel]

SO yes there are things we must discuss before rushing into things and thats why we're discussing CRAP

and it's not called "ignoring you" it's fucking challenging your plan to see if it can work

[Frozen Angel]

and facepalm as much as you want. we need a good list of players for getting the bombs and choosing 2 risky players is way better than choosing 3 risky players to hold the bombs.

[Frozen Angel]

Yeah and your comment made me pissed off.

Like the hell is wrong with you?

We're finding a plan that will kill 6 players instantly. If we fuck up even in slightest its a fucking gg

So yes ofcourse we will talk about it and it's possible flaws.

[Frozen Angel]

and facepalm as much as you want. we need a good list of players for getting the bombs and choosing 2 risky players is way better than choosing 3 risky players to hold the bombs.

No it damn well ISNT.

The only way we lose is if all three scum get bombs.
The odds of that are infinestimally small if we all work together on it.

The main paranoia is scum in the townblock with the plan.
Reducing the number of bombs does NOT address that paranoia because in that case they just petrify and win the game.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BOMBS

IF we have 9 players alive and 3 scum with petrification it's a game over.

sure we must work together which is what I was talking about

propose me a list that has not more than 1 scum in it preferably with 3 people who better die at this point - killing 3 other scummy players.

[Frozen Angel]

Ty for spending so much time on this plan

I will rip it apart if I find it way to risky to perform.

I was not around for most of last day phase because of multiple reasons. Now I'm here and cahllenging your plan. You will either convince me it will not cause in a autoloose in any scenario or I will not allow a 3 bomb happening.