Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

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i'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say with these posts tbh. or who you're talking to? are you talking to me?

definitely not--you're at least making the effort to fabricate a case against me.
I'm talking to Nauci.

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Mom is town tho

Do you think Mom is scum now who pocketed you?

annoyingly i think so.

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i'd more or less already answered that yeah

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if this gains traction I'll vote it on one proviso

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hi

for the balance of the game I will not be reading any posts with more than 300 words and God awful formatting ty for your cooperation

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If by "agenda," you mean Nauci's push on Irrelephant, how do you differentiate between scum pushing a agenda and town pushing their scumreads when they develop a read they feel confident in? I'm not sure what agenda is being served by going all-out on D1 talking about how good Irrelephant is as scum and hard-pushing a case and trying to convince a lot of people that their townread is wrong as opposed to going for an easier lynch, bringing up Irrelephant-paranoia later on. People are generally more willing to lynch good scumplayers out of paranoia if they are alive too long than on D1.

huh

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I'd prefer if you can elaborate actually. Gemini has three posts of game relevant content none of which take any strong stances. What did you agree with?

did

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Bv if you have specific questions for me can you please ask them succinctly in clear English without answering your own question with your own opinions

and preferably in their own short posts so I read them

like rn I'm reading maybe 1/10 of your posts and praying to the mafia gods that you eat a nk or get copped so I don't have to sort you

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holy mother of busywoek

if the cop isn't on BVslot they should be embarrassed

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Hey the worst when you're around can you speak to Skitter being frustrated about being right and unheard (in this case about Gamma's wagon, but she says it's a common thing for her)?

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she still didn't convince me about her read on gamma here. feels tmi

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So... BlackVoid, Skitter, Gustavo, Nauci, Bernie, and Irrelephant are townish.

NM, Mom, and Errant are nullish.

Key, the worst, and ??? as scum.

wat.

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On my phone cause campus internet’s down. I will respond to things later
Here is a very rough, but well ordered set, of my reads


Bernie
Nauci
Irre
Keyser
Shoshin
Gustavo
BlackVoid
Skitter
NotMafia
Worst
Mom

wat.

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they weren't meant to realise our completely earnest liaision in this thread was a form of high brow scum theatre! damn it! I wonder if she'll catch our third partner brassherald too?

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doc should be on me again tonight btw I'll try and shout this again before EOD.

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I'm not having the conversation now.


pedit: thank you omg
but he still tastes just like town

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I'm obvtown
BS obvtown

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I'm obvtown

Sadly not right now. Something just hasn't clicked right or you haven't communicated that connection between you and me/other players.

Why did you enter the day with that bad nightphase/pr spec/hinting? (scared me)

huh?

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yeah it's something I'd rather swing away from hopefully forever assuming town keeps their shit together

VOTE: momrangal

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@TW I'm not comfortable letting you off though
I thought your play was working with your townreads and get stuff done, so?
You really think skitter nauci are scum duo after you?
Or you think BV and consequently math is now scum for busywork catchup I think they generally do?
Granted I don't like quotewall stuff but BV will take stances and commit to things when he's finished, probably regardless of align

Talk more about your mom read given you were townreading her yesterday

quoting to remind myself to hit u up when I'm not @ a job
gamestate is highly highly consistent with Nauci and skitter being scum with Mom. in retrospect vesides recognising that I shouldn't be lynched she hasn't done a lot. I think I was being stupid yday.

did I say BV is scum? I said I can scarcely parse their wallposts.

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holy mother of busywoek

if the cop isn't on BVslot they should be embarrassed

I mean, the fact that you said he ought to be cop-checked implies to me that you think he has reasonable scum equity.

When you're back from the job please explain how me/nauci/mom make sense together

I think you know me well enough to know I'm not gonna case that. it's all in my ISO.

have we never spoken about my cop philosophy? because that's not correct. If not I'll discuss post-game.

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rest up BV

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EP ily

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BV I see my name several times. If you have questions I haven't already answered pls address them to me.

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ugh that avi is so good

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nauci.......all of those 3 posts of mine are 2 questions of unabashed busywork and one weak shadethrow.
I'd like you to please try and guess the answers to both, and explain what your actual issues with that post are, why you think it's scum motivated and why you think "omgus" is bad + comes from scum!me in this instance

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I'm used to seeing walls of solving from you fam. not walls of shadethrowing and asking questions with obvious answers. :c

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it's really obvious gamestate stuff that I'm sure I've already talked about???

i was a conspicuous cw to mom here.
the fact that {you, skitter, mom} actively read like scumbuddies is like, a fucking honeypot fmpov.
you're also both weakly shading me, ignoring my reads and really clumsily positioning me for a mislynch

I am not easy to mislynch, even if I am kinda only half engaged with this game. sorry to disappoint you but i'm not going to roll over and take this shit.

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it's actually high key difficult to remain engaged when
there's probs 3 scum
and i have 3 players sitting at the bottom of my reads list

like unless one of you flips town i can't really see a reason why i'd get interested in this game

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dude i'm not gonna wallpost if you ask me to

if we're actually TvT here you've got massive issues with my playstyle that you need to re-assess. have you read any towngames of mine?

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you actually sound actively frustrated here which has like thrown a curve ball fmpov

but this is 100% a playstyle issue. you get what's on my mind when it occurs to me and a snippet of where I'm at if you ask for it. it sounds like what I'm giving isn't enough for you but I have 0 interest in typing walls out regardless of the potential benefits.

I'm really happy for you that you have a hobby you're so passionate about that you're driven to stay up until 3am posting about it but what. I'm meant to give you a free townread over it? you don't like my stance because I'm not going "OH EFFORT NAUCI YAY TOWN"?

back awwfff

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I guess maybe I should have done my homework on how many damn essays this game would produce but like most of the list isn't spewing massive NAI wallposts rife with wonky questions and then having a tantrum because they're not being townread over it. :/

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I'm gonna have to work on what to think about how genuinely annoyed you feel rn. Calling it a night.

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ok that's fine

why are we yelling at each other again?

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that's like
months old commentary around selfmeta from my second scumgame onsite

if you have some spare time read some of my more recent games? I can probably sort out links tomorrow if you want. actually Mathdino has pwnt me as scum more recently than open 719 too, check almost50's sharing is caring

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town!Math has pwnt scum!me, rather

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oh no not a scum vote
anything but a scum vote

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I would strongly recommend lynching scum
who are you voting for?

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UGH I am the walrus is gonna be stuck in my head now
Gustavo is maybe town btw

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BRASS FOR PRESIDENT

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orly

v/la until end of game

guess who's lynchproof

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orly

v/la until end of game

guess who's lynchproof

I'm not letting you be VLA the rest of the game

sorry--just confirming this was a shitpost

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@brass, mom is on 5 votes not 4 & 3 people aren't voting :>

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It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.

you fucking wish scumboy

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dones

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I probably disagree that team has low partner equity tbh

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It should probably bother you that most people in the game are scumreading you and that includes by necessity some town.

na

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as in it doesn't bother me, I appreciate some town are scumreading me rn

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it's actually high key difficult to remain engaged when
there's probs 3 scum
and i have 3 players sitting at the bottom of my reads list

like unless one of you flips town i can't really see a reason why i'd get interested in this game

If I told you there had to be town in the bottom of your reads list (because your team doesn't make sense, but just assume statement is true) what would you do

uhh i'm not sure why you're so confident in this
honestly i want some flips to reconsider rn

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@Bernie you may be overestimating how much I've put into this. it's independent scumreads with the gamestate softly supporting them as partners sometimes. I'll re-read their ISOs when I have time later though.

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OoOooOOoooOoOOOOO

who else had a good night?

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prod dodging for a bit

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thank you. I kept trying to discreetly tell people that keeping me alive was good. >:/

for the record EP plays a part in why I had such a lovely night.

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skitter i actively am not convinced you're town why the hell would I mimick th tpr meta you specifically more than anyone else are familiar with.

this should have pinged you as a ~possibility~ numerous times after our last game together and yet you've just been blatantly pushing for my lynch. that's tpr hunting not scumhunting.

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but Mathdino who wrote that will also tell you that constantly not playing to my meta is my "thing"

I think he overestimates me a little sometimes but please take several month old meta with a pinch of salt.

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the main thing that's throwing me off here is that he knows i know this

p-edit that

asdfghjkl;'

it happened

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Are you waiting for reactions/players to post TW?

yes, transparently

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a few of my brain cells die every time someone votes for me

the fuck @ ep in particular

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I'm struggling to form townreads without sheeping at this point which is killing motivation further. Sorry to ruin your day but I'm town and I'm not getting mislynched today. Stop positioning me for a mislynch and move on to something else.

however i'm not sure what to make of this in this context (you know why i think)

was i supposed to read this as a pr tell?

*aggressive nodding*

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l0l

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But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.

it'll happen, in good time.

ep needs to be very quiet here

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Nauci can you engage with me about what you think my meta is? lol

you're using quotes from a game several months ago from Mathdino who is extremely cognisant of the fact I change my meta whimsically. you're also not really commenting on the actual game we played together where I was scum and ignoring all of my other scum meta. D: I'm realising there might be a reality where you're town and just like terribly tunnelled here

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It’s also part of his scum meta to claim pr.

Irrelephant gets major town points for actually doing his homework. who on this list do you think should vote me here?

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Can somebody link me to multiple the worst scum games where he faked a Pr?

Stack the Deck by HeWhoSwims--I claimed goon cop when caught as a meme and it low key backfired

otherwise prolly just marathons? I can't really think back that hard rn. at a job.

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was that a meme to hurt my brain or for reals

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You think you can catch scum? You think guys like that come this close to getting caught, and stick their heads out?

If they come up for anything it'll be to get rid of me. After that... my guess is you'll never hear from them again.

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Heisenberg avatar on Keyser Söze seems kind of weird to me. Why not a Keyser Söze avatar?

it's been spinning me out too xD

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correct I very very softly hinted at you early. you showed cognisance of those hints but then outright scumread me while acting like you were not even considering the possibility I was playing it up?? that doesn't smell like town!you so soon after d2 of jungle republic. :/

I'm at a job so can't really talk a lot

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I probably don't disagree. re-read and tell me where you're at. I'm wrong on some reads here so need to recalibrate myself.

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hi walls

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I'll read thru that l8r if I'm in the mood. anyone able to tell me if any of it was directed @ me?

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andddffdfff EP hates me

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He should have let me gambit in style rather than killing my buzz.

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also hey Irrelephant11

FTR I'm still maybe 8 pages behind?

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pretty much ya

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back at a job again, the timezones on this list are killing me more than anything else rn I think. I'll be back a bit later.

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ow, that hurt.

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(aside, brass, i just want to reiterate that you're legit one of my favorite mods on site and i really appreciate how attentive you are, and how communicative you are with the players )

actually quoting this for truth even though I haven't read anything else on this page

brass top tier mod

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I kinda scrolled up thinking "o boy here we go again" and the bright red caught my eye so I kinda half flicked through a couple of paragraphs of your post and realised nothing was getting thru my brainfog

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xylophone

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I'll try and wade thru this eventually prolly this weekend at this rate??

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that would be funny
I also can't tell you what I'm waiting for

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well yeah lol it's transparent that I'm biding my time

but if I was like "hey brassherald is scum but let's wait to see how he reacts" it'd kinda ruin the fun hey?

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hedonistic at the expensive if the player list?
me?
nevah~ :3

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DID YOU SAY BREAD?!

this may come as a shock to you Nauci but I like pts as well

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The only time I've been scum in Stack the Deck was with Beef and Maria who picked recruit + rolecop.

but yeah I'm on record for saying numerous times that daychat OR recruit are the only useful picks in stack the deck (depending on playerlist / original duo) :3

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aw noo hope you feel better soon Nauci say meow to your cat from me (and make sure it doesn't catch your fever!!)

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so basically I have a guilty but it might b soft, and I have greatly enjoyed watching people's reactions

can anyone who believes they might have been soft guiltied please discreetly alert me to this fact?

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I need to catch up properly before I'm comfortable doing that

odds are you confbiased farts are just going to mislynch me anyway so I may as well be of some use. :/

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w/e BV owns a firearm

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go work out if I've tripped up the scumteam I'm still not gonna have the time until this weekend and you guys did not give me the time to draw this out the way I wanted to

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that would spew him 1sbp goon

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Why?

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Hi confused in the worst

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scum fakeclaiming?

no way that doesn't happen

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but why does he claim 1sbp when he doesn't know what you have on him then

*points at the fact you're drowning in WIFOM*

I am not a heavily townread slot all he needs to do is claim a confusing role

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needless to say
VOTE: BV

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it's a thing in the old newbie setup at least

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1 Shot BP claim by scum is usually to try to avoid or discount town roleblock or jailer soft guilties
As it isn't a hard CC (and even "fits" in setupspec sense) but discounts the soft guilty

I hadn't thought about that tbh (bad at setup spec)

interesting idea

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Sup BSandles?

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clearly you don't.

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even night gunsmith. I'm some bloke who hates war, I'll check later if you want

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i kinda believe bv here too tbh

kidna want to see how he reacts but like ... i don't think he claims 1shot bp as scum while waiting for tw to drop a semi-guilty when he doesn't know what type of semi-guilty he has

i kinda think he'd wait till tw actually claimed it so he can cc something that matches

okay but considering half the town is confirmation biased towards lynching me all he has to do is stall until I'm lynched and he's done all he can

I very very very unsubtly crumbed my intent to investigate him

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Lol.

TW-BV?

I tracked duck last night and he didn't go anywhere

But guiltying a town would be suicidial. I guess bussing

I'm still like almost certain you're town. why the fuck are you fakeclaiming?

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inb4 Nauci fakeclaims voyeur who saw an investigative on me

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think what you want BS this is not BS

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yup. you adding to this crap skitter?

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like I understand BV's defensive fakeclaim but Bernie's is just disappointing.

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that's the worst scumteam possible

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NM don't tell me you're buying this shit too

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BV is scum
Bernie might still be town

well intended town but still being stupid

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so lynch BV and when I'm confirmed by his flip watch me eat a nk

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=_=

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this has hit the stage where BSizzle is too adorable to be scum

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<==== not the face of a liar

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ftr I do not know what you mean here

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the only one here who is the worst is everyone but me :/

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and also me I guess
what a weird self fulfilling prophecy

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after I flip green pinkie promise you'll literally drop an entire fucking truck of cement on BV?

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if I was scum I'd have a much safer claim here

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y'all are playing mafia, the miltank is playing 7d chess

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that would require me not being a town even night gunsmith

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D1 I replaced in
N1 I slept
D2 I received an invitation to a hood with ep
N2 I investigated BV and got a guilty as gunsmith

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tbqh I saw 0 PR tells from you Bernie

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I aggressively sorted that I'd be investigating BV yesterday

do you want my philosophy on investigating in general?

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softed**

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when I flip green lynch skitter after BV

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oh Nauci is town here, good

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skitter is pretty close to entirely incompatible with worst+mom imo

this is all well and good but you should be checking for compatibility with mom+bv

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I don't think scum tw rules out scum bv, Skitter

In fact a bv flip might be at least as informative on the off chance tw is telling the truth hmmmm

No we like dont lynch bv to check if tw is telling the truth lol

don't lynch scum to prove the town investigative is telling the truth?

#scumposting

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scum gunnerizer

I love this omg

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I think BS is fakeclaiming. Idk if he's actually tracker but he definitely did not track me last night.

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unless a scum ninjaiser targeted me

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Is it crazy that I'm actually considering BV here

not even slightly crazy. lynching BV is 1/3 of your wincon

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BV/BS/TW (TW gambiting fake claimingas VT whyyyyyyy?)

this is actually my read rn but I think bernie is fakeclaiming

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BV/BS/TW (TW gambiting fake claimingas VT whyyyyyyy?)

this is actually my read rn but I think bernie is fakeclaiming

y tho

bc ik I'm not

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let Not_Mafia have the hammer, I'm sure he wagon hopped for this moment.

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still flipping town even night gunsmith and if you fucks don't chainsaw through BV=>skitter with extreme prejudice I'll be so shook

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Tw still hasn't answered why he said he was probably the nk for n1

I need BS to explain the paranoia though

oh I tactically ignored those questions because I was very unsubtly crumbing tpr

as it turns out I don't need those crumbs

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mafia goon**
damn auto-correct

[/delayed bah post]

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well played skitter30, best scum buddy ever!

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.....wait no what

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feeling like the new president was a good choice. keeping up with foreign affairs can be tough tho. hope he doesn't live under an himself

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It was a very good playerlist! [even the scum were fun (TheWorst)]

I would definitely play with you guys and girls again.

Quack quack o7

It was great playing with you too Keyser. glad I got that cheeky Usual Suspects ref in there

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It's nice to hear you think I played well but I think I could have been a lot better.

Man your self-standard is high

You nailed so many reads and helped town so much before you died

I'd probably /in for a reunion game too <3


For the record I did SO much VCA and restarted after some of the flips and I have to saw WOOOOWWWWW @the worst you screwed up every VCA thought I ever had

I made Mom laugh (and shudder) a couple of times with my early voting

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Killary eating duck was the best part of this game

#goodposting here

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That touches on something we discussed in the dead thread a little. It's better to work with your townreads than assume everyone is scum until proven innocent (there's a statistically higher chance a random slot is town with you after all! )

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T_T I put in soooooooooooooooooooo much effort in this game that I'm burned out too except I signed up for more games so that's bad

Oh well gotta roll up my sleeves and solve those

I see you're in the Alisae circle of mafia enjoyment
I like games ==> plays really hard ==> gets burned out ==> eh whatever ==> trolls around a bit ==> starts to enjoy games again ==> cycle repeats

I stopped at the trolls around part and have been there the entire summer. I'm not leaving.

^^^^^ basically me

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What have I done

sold your soul
welcome to the club