Even Bernie was like no way dudeIn post 2422, BlackVoid wrote:I think people undervalue how important it is to have time to discuss claims. I know it's a probably controversial opinion but I don't value concealing their claims more than I value that additional day or two we'll have to talk about them. We can then reach a consensus as opposed to last-minute deadline panic with half the playerlist not here.In post 2393, Bernie Sanders wrote:Excuse meIn post 2389, BlackVoid wrote:It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.
We're not getting 2 claims
Blackvoid I thought you would know better than this wtf
I guess mom can claim if she wants but tbh I really don't think I'd believe any PR claim that comes out of her to begin with.
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2 days left. Mom was previously his top scumnread. All of a sudden gamma is asking for claims and doesn’t want to vote mom who is the encryptor?In post 2423, BlackVoid wrote:Rask, I'm going to do an ISO of both Momrangal and TheWorst before putting down a vote but I'm actually leaning towards TheWorst at this point.
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I was the only one on both. Regardless why I was on there I was there.In post 3474, BlackVoid wrote:You brought it up as a point in your favor. Based on context, it's not. So, it's misleading.
So am I town who got lucky or scum who double bussed when I didn’t have to?
You weren’t on mom and almost wasn’t on tw, despite him claiming a guilty on you.
Regardless of context I look better than you imo
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Here is another reason why it should be me or bv. Bv basically brought it up in a round about way.In post 3348, BlackVoid wrote:For anyone suspecting me: you have to believe that Gustavo was the kill target N1. Except what motivation does scum have to kill someone who spent most of their time tunneling Shoshin and being a distraction?
Though bv was town reading me after shos claimed he saved me wasn’t he? Pretty sure he was. Interesting how I’m now possible scum because people suspect him- Gustavo
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I could have pretended to be busy and stayed off the wagon. Or pretended I needed more time to read.In post 3482, BlackVoid wrote:You voted Momrangal when there was no other option.
There is always an option. Bussing is stupid- Gustavo
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This means you think I’m scum.In post 3482, BlackVoid wrote:You didn't get lucky as town.
I did get lucky as town. I had no business on either wagon, yet I was.
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That’s right. Hence why I asked keyser and elephant which they preferred in lylo.In post 3486, BlackVoid wrote:The flaw in your logic is the assumption that whichever of us weren't shot N1 is the scum. That's not the case. We could both be town but only one of us could have been shot N1.
Me and you
Me and errant
You and errant.
It doesn’t matter to me if you are lynched today or tomorrow. From my POV I find scum 100% unless it’s skitter.
You don’t think it’s skitter, nobody does.
So if you are town you win with my lynch or errant
If errant is town he wins with mine or yours
This is about making it easier on keyser/elephant cause whoever survives has to pick. I personally think you look like the last partner so it’s towns best interest to lynch you.- Gustavo
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Pretty sure I’ve addressed your posts. I also can’t ignore the fact that the most powerful of the flipped scum, you appeared to be stalling. Whether you were actually stalling or not won’t be known until you flip, but a very reasonable argument has been made supporting that and I don’t think you’ve defended yourself convincingly.
Your predecessor also had the chance to vote scum and didn’t.
2 people, same slot both having bad luck as town or is the slot scum? Who knows, but my vote says I think I know.- Gustavo
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Problem with this.In post 3496, Errantparabola wrote:I think that the paranoia that Gustavo is giving off feels a little fake to me. Here's the thing: what would I EXPECT scum to do today? They need to make it so that someone else gets lynched today while simultaneously making it as doable as possible to get someone else lynched tomorrow as well. I think that this falls somewhat into that category.
If town, What do you need to do today? They need to make it so that someone else gets lynched today while simultaneously making it as doable as possible to get someone else lynched tomorrow as well if they lynch wrong today.
It’s basically the same motivation as scum. I don’t need to be right today to win. If you are town, you don’t need to be right today to win. If BV is town he doesn’t need the be right today to win.- Gustavo
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Seems everyone is having issues with this.In post 3496, Errantparabola wrote:I got a lot less from scum associations than I thought I would which is a little disappointing.- Gustavo
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Why no Mathdino posts?In post 3496, Errantparabola wrote:BV/Mathdino
What are your thoughts about math scum reading mom more but joining gamma for little to no reasons?
What about bv attempting to shade me for the same thing except i hadn’t expressed a read on mom yet and I had reasons for gamma?- Gustavo
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Why do you think mom said she’s going to flip back and forth on math?In post 470, Momrangal wrote:Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there- Gustavo
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He town reads math but normally he scum reads him, he doesn’t even really have a reason for it. Is this something scum would say about their partner?In post 1297, Momrangal wrote:I actually townread math which IDK how to really take considering I usually scumread him regardless of his alignment. Objectively speaking, though and in a vacuum everything he's done is straight null alignment wise. Nothing he's done is outside his range of play as scum but I have a gut feeling that he isn't here, and it may be his progression.- Gustavo
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You do make a good point, but I could have easily lurked and used my experience to urge mom/the worst to do the same. I also wouldn’t be on either wagon. I also would never let the worst pull of any stupid gambits but people would have to take my word for it because I only have the one scum game. I’ve said my peace, I’ve made my case. I’ll sit and wait for people to lay their votes down. If I’m lynched today please listen to my posts about bv. bv vs errant I’m pretty sure bv is the one who flips scum.- Gustavo
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I know it doesn’t make sense to you but once my mind is made up on somebody I’m usually not going to change my mind. I honestly didn’t think I was shot at and I felt it was some sort of gambit given he voted me that day. If he thought he protected me from a NK, he should have never voted me. He should have never came at me. His credibility was shot with me already the moment he lied. You lie to me, I don’t trust you ever again.In post 3512, skitter30 wrote:this post is kinda interesting to me tho
I obviously disagree with you.In post 3513, skitter30 wrote:i don't think he was avoiding a mom wagon;
Except bv didn’t bring up a legitimate point and my point is hands down better. I hadn’t even read any of mom’s posts yet. Using that against me is a cheap shot.In post 3514, skitter30 wrote:this post basically reads like:
'bv brought up a legimate point so i'm going to negate it by bringing up a similar thing that math did and use it to make up reasons to scumread him'
Math expressed a scum read on mom and went against it.
You’re making a mistake if you do. Please don’t make another one tomorrow and lose the game for us. Vote bv tomorrow.In post 3515, skitter30 wrote:i'm tending quite a lot towards gustavo now btw
You aren’t reading my posts then. I explained why I scum read yo. I also explained why I’m not pushing you. I guess I’ll repeat myself againIn post 3516, skitter30 wrote:i also really hate that you keep saying it could be me but do nothing to like ... actually explain why you're scumreading me or like try to ge tme lynched in any way
I scum read you off gut
I’m not pushing you because there is no evidence that links you to the other scum. I’ve reviewed all 3 of your posts and you make no sense compared to the other two.
The go ahead and do it. I literally have nothing more I can add. Y’all know my reads and know who I want lynched tomorrow.In post 3518, skitter30 wrote:i kinda want to vote gustavo now- Gustavo
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I swear I don’t even remember learning that in school. I usually hold on to useless facts like these. Maybe I’m getting old.In post 3520, brassherald wrote:John Tyler was the first vice president to ascend to the presidency upon the death of a president. He did not make an inaugural address, and he never ran for the office of the Presidency.- Gustavo
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Here ya go skitter.
This vote doesn’t make sense if you are scum. Especially if after this a wagon forms on gamma and you don’t switch. You didn’t have to join mom at all.
I also realize my read on you came from hard defending shos.- Gustavo
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Keyser/elephant. Since y’all are the clears here. Seriously consider my question and then answer it by a vote.In post 3379, Gustavo wrote:Let me ask you this. What combo would you rather have in lylo
Me/errant
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Me/bv
I honestly don’t believe anyone can add anything that hasn’t already been added. Skitter tried to add stuff but all he did was point out what most people who play with me already know. I’m stubborn and have shit reads. But I don’t leave myself open to hop onto other people’s wagons. I close myself from everyone and even alienate them.
I do this as town. Nobody really knows if I do it as scum because my one scum game I didn’t do that.
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Then don’t. I could easily pull this off as scum. I’ve seen other players do it. I’ve been compared to 2 players on this site and both of those players can pull it off.In post 3527, Keyser Söze wrote:It looks like I’m t/reading your ‘bad’/‘aggressive’/‘suboptimal’ behaviour via WIFOM.
You really have to look at the actions and figure out which makes the most sense.
I think the best example of that will be my vote on gamma vs math’s vote on gamma.
Compare the two of those. Look at the context leading up to it.
Does math vote gamma and not mom (who was his top scum read) as town or scum?
Do I vote gamma over mom (who I’ve guven no read on at all) as town or scum?
Let’s completely remove errant for today. If you lynch him today, it’ll be the same question tomorrow.
Lynch the guy who didn’t crumb BP, didn’t react to shos claiming he saved me, and only claimed after a scum gambit gone wrong
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And yet I didn’t coast...In post 3533, skitter30 wrote:i'm rereading a lot of the game and i think gustavo was pretty well-positioned to coast after the tw guilty thing - basically nobody was scumreading him at that time.
probably the only person who better fits that profile of where scum would be during that guilty thing is like me
If you believe this, who actually coasted?- Gustavo
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That’s a huge misrep bro. I didn’t say it imply he’s lying. When somebody claims a PR you assume he’s telling the truth until somebody counters. I actually believed his claim hence me speaking out against people voting him.In post 3532, skitter30 wrote:
this is also a pretty weird post.In post 2518, Gustavo wrote:Unless somebody has info the worst is lying. Fos anyone who’s voted him or pushing for a claim. Especially a full claim.
But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.
'tw is probably lying but people who voted him or want a claim are suspicious' ???
That alone wiped all your town cred down the toilet because you aren’t a n00b and no way a n00b misreps something that bad.
@keyser/elephant. I really don’t envy your decision tomorrow. Skitter just threw himself back in the scum pool
After he had already dried himself off.
@keyser - what was your issue with me set voting? If I’m going to die, I’m
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MisrepIn post 3532, skitter30 wrote:tw is probably lying- Gustavo
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In post 3536, Gustavo wrote:That’s a huge misrep bro. I didn’t say it imply he’s lying. When somebody claims a PR you assume he’s telling the truth until somebody counters. I actually believed his claim hence me speaking out against people voting him.- Gustavo
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In post 3543, Gustavo wrote:That’s me basically saying until somebody CCs, it’s assumed he’s legit and nobody should be voting him.- Gustavo
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Your point is a complete misrep of what actually happened. You can just admit you misrepped me and apologize.In post 3549, skitter30 wrote:you literally say 'unless someone has info the worst is lying'
that to me sounds like you think the worst is lying unless we live in the special circumstance of someone having info. since there is no evidence of anyone having info i take that to mean you think tw is lying
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Because after reviewing everyone’s posts, you look like the last scum.In post 3550, BlackVoid wrote:But that just makes me wonder why he's so set on me.- Gustavo
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Except your slot doesn’t make since for a Nk either. Math was a useless player who rhymed.In post 3550, BlackVoid wrote:If he realizes he most likely wasn't the target anyways, that means my slot was and that should have given him pause.- Gustavo
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I never saw any proof of that. I could have sworn I asked for it at some point and nobody provided anything but a single game.In post 3556, skitter30 wrote:specifically of scum!tw and how town!math has a history of catching and power-lynching him- Gustavo
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Fine 2 games. So it’s slightly possible.
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From your POV if it’s not me it’s bv/errant.In post 3560, skitter30 wrote:i have no idea but that's what i'm wondering right now.
he just feels ... so defeatist and not-survivalistic
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But why?In post 3563, skitter30 wrote:yeah but i townread them more than you, that's the thing
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why?In post 3567, BlackVoid wrote:It's bad play from whoever is town- Gustavo
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I was against a mom lynch early on that one day because of some very quick votes, it was sketchy af. And I covered the gamma thing, math’s vote on gamma was way more indicative of scum trying to save mom. I had just replaced in and hadn’t even read mom’s posts, math actually scumnread mom and refused to vote her. You acting very scumnread mom and refused to vote her.In post 3574, BlackVoid wrote:That and Gustavo pushing against a Momrangal lynch early on, and the vote on Gamma all point to him.
This post is terrible because it isn’t me.
Lynch bv tomorrow please. It has to be him.- Gustavo
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Tomorrow, Ask yourself why the worst didn’t want to change his investigation target. Why did it have to be BV? Also bv seemed sure he was the one investigated before the worst outed himself. Lastly how would you react when your partner was attempting a risky gambit? Would you defend him or cast shade on him?
Like I’m kind of honored you guys are scared of me being scum because you think I’m capable of mimicking my town meta, tbh I don’t know if I can or not as I’ve only played one scum game in 3 years and that game wasn’t similar to this at all.
I’m also sort of insulted y’all think I could be scum because I’ve played an honest/genuine game and you guys think I’m basically a shitty player. I know I’m not perfect but I haven’t played like scum.
You guys did sort of make the right call. I did say me/bv. I just felt confirming the Bp would be more useful. Tomorrow please ignore the Bp claim. You don’t know if scum shot me or him and you don’t know if he is even Bp, so you have to pretend it didn’t happen.
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Did anyone even read these? Did anyone even consider what i am saying?
no I don't think anyone did. Like criticize me all you want about my defeatist attitude but despite that I am still trying to make points to consider.
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Why do you think mom said she’s going to flip back and forth on math?In post 470, Momrangal wrote:Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
Since others know about the worst and math when the worst is scum, can somebody verify does the worst do this when he is town or could he doing this because math is his partner?In post 3505, Gustavo wrote:
He town reads math but normally he scum reads him, he doesn’t even really have a reason for it. Is this something scum would say about their partner?In post 1297, Momrangal wrote:I actually townread math which IDK how to really take considering I usually scumread him regardless of his alignment. Objectively speaking, though and in a vacuum everything he's done is straight null alignment wise. Nothing he's done is outside his range of play as scum but I have a gut feeling that he isn't here, and it may be his progression.In post 245, the worst wrote:I tend to just dump math in the town bin and sort him later and that generally works for me (as he's generally town)
Look at this post by Bernie. he clearly saw some sort of mom/tw/math connection so I feel better that i am not the only one who saw it. Bernie had some damn good reads so you have to at least take this into consideration tomorrow when I am gone please.In post 1847, the worst wrote:
dude come onIn post 1839, Bernie Sanders wrote:VOTE: The worst
I think mom-TW then probably N_M, if not then BV/math slot. Mom tw have to die though.
I was going to hard insist mom today actually but 1746 is legitimately scummy from duck here.
FTR vla should only stop a wagon d1 because it's about content/pressure then. I kind of just want flip now.- Gustavo
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This has nothing to do with my motivation being gone. This has everything to do with the game basically being solved from my POV. I’m town so it’s either bv or errant.In post 3582, Irrelephant11 wrote:If his motivation is gone
I don’t think it’s skitter and if it is we all have been fooled and he deserves the win- Gustavo
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This.In post 3582, Irrelephant11 wrote:ep I'm reading your long post now and one thing you include is "I don't think scum have fakeclaims?" when in fact they do
I made that mistake myself but mid used safe claim, not fake so I didn’t see it when searching the role pm- Gustavo
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Here’s some food for thought.In post 3582, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm almost willing to do BV first here, just to clarify if he is indeed bulletproof who was probably shot before killing Gustavo
But like, the other way around works too I think
Me flipping VT doesn’t confirm if bv was shot or is even a BP
Bv flipping confirms that if he was a BP he was probably shot, and if he isn’t the game is over.- Gustavo
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You say 3 potential scum but nobody is seriously considering skitter as scum. Everyone has written skitter off as basically confirmed town.In post 3587, Irrelephant11 wrote:You keep using the word "solved" when in fact we have two lynches for three potential scum.- Gustavo
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How many games have you played with scum skitter?In post 3596, BlackVoid wrote:
Again ignoring context. I'm not saying paranoia can't be faked in general. I'm saying based on what I know about skitter, this is not the reaction she'd have as scum.In post 3595, Gustavo wrote:You don’t think paranoia can be faked but you seem to think I can fake all my reactions though...
As scum you are stubborn. You push things that you call "scumtells" with the same amount of conviction as when you are town. You can project an inner belief that townies are legitimately scummy and deserve to be lynched. You seem to be the kind of player that would legitimately hate it and be offended if you are caught for what you think are the wrong reasons. So, I don't townread your reactions. I don't necessarily scumread them either. But your predecessor's interactions with flipped scum and Errant's behavior during the guilty is what I'm basing my decision on.
Scum pushing scumtells is what scum is supposed to do. I’m not being stubborn when I’m pushing them as scum. You completely misrepped me when you said my game here is similar to my scum game, it isn’t at all yet people just believed you.
As for this game. Shos intentionally lied. How can I ignore that? If you were town and somebody intentionally lied about you to shade you, would you ignore it? I don’t think you would.
That’s what this all game down to really. If shos hadn’t lied the entire game would have been different- Gustavo
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But they did...In post 3597, Errantparabola wrote:in the context of my post I was saying that they didnt have roleclaims- Gustavo
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I’m not begging to be lynched. I’m saying that today resolving the no kill night 1 is probably more important. I’m still urging people to vote bv but I’m fine being lynched also.In post 3597, Errantparabola wrote:scum that is trying to win by employing a honestly really risky strategy of begging to be lynched- Gustavo
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Oh I like being right.
If you don’t have multiple games with somebody as scum, you can’t speak to how they would react.In post 3605, Gustavo wrote:Without that this meta read on skitter’s attitude when playing as scum is clearly fabricated. - Gustavo
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