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Post Post #925 (isolation #200) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:33 am

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now actually after investigating that i am not sure if nico should be removed from primary scumpool.

she rolled scum once —> in a upick mini theme game. she might have chose scum if available
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Post Post #947 (isolation #201) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:52 pm

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@gif, it’s because i think you would be adept at playing scum. at least from what i have heard.

@profii, i already addressed my reads list by order in a recent post; i really don’t want to requote it when i feel like you could find it.
just look at the ordering of my ...>....>... = list

i just feel like rehashing it or even making changes to it at this point would just be a provocation, so i will reconsider everything next day phase.

i’m ok with lynching profii. i will lynch anyone that is not shoshin or nsg or myself at this point.

VOTE: profii

but would like a final readslist from profii in case we are wrong
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Post Post #948 (isolation #202) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:53 pm

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L-1


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Post Post #949 (isolation #203) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:00 pm

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In post 933, profii wrote:Stun can you give me a concise summary read list?
GIF what’s your read on Stun rn?
i wouldn’t find it far fetched that scum asks these questions in an attempt to provoke the 2 of us. like i could see that intent behind these questions

because if you are town i genuinely want to know your intent to asking these 2 questions right now
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Post Post #962 (isolation #204) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:43 am

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you’re not flipping town. i do not believe it now
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Post Post #963 (isolation #205) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:47 am

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In post 953, profii wrote:right

The thing that made me reconsider is basically one sentence - GIF said “someone on my wagon will be scum” idk why but it felt sincere, sure - experienced scum could say this - but I thought well it’s not me so maybe this narrows it down a bit
well, i believe that was me that said that and not gif
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Post Post #964 (isolation #206) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:49 am

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i said basically that same thing at one point, i can quote it if you want
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Post Post #965 (isolation #207) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:53 am

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In post 954, profii wrote:Like given the wagon I kinda wanna lynch Stun if it was me. He seems to be getting some firm town reads but I’d question that - as time goes on it seems to be a more and more concerning slot
firm town reads in just finished game: american presidents mafia

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76627

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post 138 in the thread on d1, already very high confidence in shoshin AND keyser soze being town, and i was town in that game. and guess what, BOTH flipped town.

high confidence reads for me allow me to narrow down the scumpool; nsg was in my scumpool in that game, she is not in this one. this is nothing unusual coming from me
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Post Post #966 (isolation #208) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:54 am

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enough confidence to townblock them, that is how i feel right now with both nsg and shoshin
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Post Post #967 (isolation #209) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:03 am

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In post 958, GirlInFreezer wrote:Dw I got this

When profii gets lynched and flips scum the jk is on creature
In post 961, profii wrote:when I flip town pressure stun the most please. he was on mine and gif wagon, probably the best starting point
lol, broken record. i’ve been pressured about the most as anyone, have you paid no attention to such?
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Post Post #968 (isolation #210) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:04 am

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958 was an accidental quote there
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Post Post #969 (isolation #211) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:04 am

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In post 967, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 958, GirlInFreezer wrote:Dw I got this

When profii gets lynched and flips scum the jk is on creature
In post 961, profii wrote:when I flip town pressure stun the most please. he was on mine and gif wagon, probably the best starting point
lol, broken record. i’ve been pressured about the most as anyone, have you paid no attention to such?
*about as much as anyone
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Post Post #970 (isolation #212) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:05 am

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profii claimed vt.

who here believes him? i genuinely do not believe he finds me to be the scummiest player on his wagon :lol:

and he is getting ON me for starting gif’s wagon, when he followed it?
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Post Post #971 (isolation #213) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:07 am

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Post Post #973 (isolation #214) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:20 am

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lol. i’m done with the fighting today, that is solely why i want this day phase over. that shit doesn’t make me scum, but go ahead and try to paint me as such. i still think you will flip scum — you had some very questionable play this day phase that can be attributed to why you are about to flip scum.

i cba to continue this argument that this is my towngame because i’ve done beat a dead horse there. this is nonsense, i’m far more calculated than this in scumplay

if you are town —> why are you not suss of creature? and rather me? he provided zero reasoning for ever finding you suss this day phase, and i however did. looking at your meta, i’d assume your townreads are not that bad, and so i can only assume this is your scum game


so somebody lay that hammer down tbch! i am sure if you weren’t scum someone would have probably already hammered you
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Post Post #978 (isolation #215) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:24 am

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not exactly to my best abilities, i have 300+ page thread to keep up with.

i just go off memory most of the time
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Post Post #979 (isolation #216) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:27 am

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btw, @profii if you are town check out this game that just finished, american presidents mafia

i was town and i was worried about how shoshin was pushing towards my lynch on d1, and with only one or two votes on me i was already defending in a way others thought was strange

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Post Post #981 (isolation #217) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:30 am

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it’s also weird how he’s trying to perhaps control the jk. allow for some autonomy there for real!

like i said earlier, it may or may not be me :giggle:

but the best strategy is if there are 2 scum: be a doctor. if there is 1 scum, use it as a cop.

and that’s how i would use it, period.
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Post Post #983 (isolation #218) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:32 am

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if i’m scum here, i am not throwing out a strategy that just won a lylo game against me where i was scum period.

irrelephant used that strategy, and entirely because of it town ended up winning. otherwise i would have looked town enough to win
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Post Post #985 (isolation #219) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:50 am

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In post 984, profii wrote:Who is scum voting for me then
i have already established that it would be either gif or creature. but that is for you to decide. i’m at the point where i want to trust gif does not AtE this hard as scum, so i guess then it would be creature—which would make sense given his bandwagon switch over to you and his obsession with controlling the jailkeeper jailkeeps. so if you flip town, creature is the likely scum consequence. does that add up to you?
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Post Post #986 (isolation #220) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:52 am

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creature’s votes today: aronis and profii
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Post Post #987 (isolation #221) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:53 am

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in fact, VOTE: creature

i am thinking he is scum here actually

he hates waiting for mislynches, and so votes as scum to add to town mislynches

he did this in lynchpin mafia. he is doing it here again with now both aronis and profii
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Post Post #988 (isolation #222) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:57 am

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In post 650, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: :)
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Vote count 1.7


stungun0404 (2):
Kokichi Oma, GirlInFreezer
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NicoRobin, Creature, Aronis, stungun0404

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)

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In post 670, Creature wrote:VOTE: Aronis
In post 673, profii wrote:Actually that looks like l-2

VOTE: Aronis
creature is defending me who he mislynched in lynchpin mafia to perhaps help me in misleading everyone, so he does not vote me here

but he hops on the opposite wagon of aronis which has a shoshin vote already. then profii follows on to the aronis wagon
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Post Post #989 (isolation #223) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:59 am

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creature sheeps my townread of shoshin, but has been following her on to wagons that form... here he is on profii after votes of shoshin and gif.

In post 926, schadd_ wrote:
Spoiler: i like banette a lot and it;s shiny
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Vote count 1.9


Aronis (3):
Creature, profii, stungun0404
stungun0404 (2):
NicoRobin, GirlInFreezer
Kokichi Oma (1):
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profii (1):
Shoshin

not voting (2):
Aronis, Kokichi Oma

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)

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  • nico and aronis returned
In post 931, GirlInFreezer wrote:VOTE: profii
In post 944, Creature wrote:VOTE: profii
In post 947, stungun0404 wrote:@gif, it’s because i think you would be adept at playing scum. at least from what i have heard.

@profii, i already addressed my reads list by order in a recent post; i really don’t want to requote it when i feel like you could find it.
just look at the ordering of my ...>....>... = list

i just feel like rehashing it or even making changes to it at this point would just be a provocation, so i will reconsider everything next day phase.

i’m ok with lynching profii. i will lynch anyone that is not shoshin or nsg or myself at this point.

VOTE: profii

but would like a final readslist from profii in case we are wrong
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Post Post #992 (isolation #224) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:09 am

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key difference: aronis is not hopping on to wagons, creature is

in lynchpin mafia where i was mislynched by an nsg and creature scum team, creature was 2nd on my mislynch wagon
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unrealseal first,

creature joins my wagon without any reasoning other than a bunch of other players being town

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he talks about whether he should pretend being the lynchpin in his iso, which is similar to here where he is trying to control the jailkeeper
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Post Post #993 (isolation #225) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:11 am

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In post 945, Creature wrote:Should we do something like: "If I'm the jailkeeper and profii (or whatever lynch) flips scum, I'm jailing X tonight"?
like suddenly, it is making a lot of sense for creature to be scum here
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Post Post #994 (isolation #226) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:12 am

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he is similarly like that game asking “should we...” regarding town (technical power roles). he is deferring to town to figure out how we proceed with those powers as scum, while trying to manipulate things a little
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Post Post #995 (isolation #227) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:14 am

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directly from creature’s wiki: “I'm the kind of player that cares most about townplay and thinks being scum and
hoping town mislynches is very boring
. Yes, I highly despise being groupscum, what's fun about being scum?”
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Post Post #996 (isolation #228) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:17 am

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also notice creature is in the bottom tier of posters this game, (more than aronis, nsg, and nico but less than everyone else).
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #229) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:38 am

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In post 975, schadd_ wrote:
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 13 at 02:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-13 02:00:00)
deadline is in about 1 day and a half

let us get rolling, please! creature lynch maybe? at least need to talk about it with deadline looming...
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Post Post #1011 (isolation #230) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:53 am

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i mean, i guess we can

will move there if consensus forms there

would need someone other than the 4 of us (creature, you, me, shoshin) to vote there

which means kokichi, aronis, nicorobin, or nsg would need to step up to the plate
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #231) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:44 am

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what if it’s creature + nicorobin actually?

that would explain this game being a pain for creature, i think
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #232) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:47 am

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so would profii though actually, so i digress
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #233) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:32 am

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@profii, are you willing to join me on creature?
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Post Post #1018 (isolation #234) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:36 am

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In post 361, profii wrote:NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.
second, whatever happened to this?

it seems at this point you have concluded i am scum in this pool and not aronis. even though you were formerly 80 percent on aronis being scum from that pool.

what changed?
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #235) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:38 am

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third, i’ll mention i would honestly prefer a creature lynch here because i located quite a few scum tendencies of his, which means he is probably scum that did not know he was in fact repeating these tendencies
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #236) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:28 am

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@kokichi oma, would you prefer a lynch of profii or creature here?
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #237) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:46 am

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In post 1025, profii wrote:Because people react like Stungun did a few pages back and go omg I’m not answering your question ur scum

So I’d rather hear something that nothing I’ll humour it
ok, i’ll answer it now that rc is out of the game, but i had clear intentions to avoid answering it because i did not want to instigate another battle between rc and i. i am already sick of battling with him, as i am not one that enjoys being pugnacious anyway. i am heavily disinclined from fighting with people over silly nonsense. your question read to me as a way to get that nonsense stirred up again if i answered it. does not necessarily mean you are scum, but that was not something i was willing to answer fresh off of us fighting when you could have derived the conclusions yourself. that was my reasoning

do you see now why i avoided it? giving that i initially had rc in the least towniest section, and i did not want to repeat that clear conclusion when all it had done to this point was foment a useless war between us that was turning us into unnecessary rivals. that is solely the reason i avoided it
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #238) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:48 am

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the nature of our fight in particular was what disincentivized me from doing so

anyway could attest to the fact that our fight was extending quite a bit beyond this game alone
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #239) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:49 am

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*anyone could attest
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #240) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:52 am

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if this wasn’t a friemd game where i was heavily incentivized to help my partner out, i’d have replaced out myself too by now, because trust me that fight was not fun at all

rc is very likely town for following through with it by replacing out though
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #241) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:53 am

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oh never mind, rc just switched games with maria

idk if that town spews the slot necessarily
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Post Post #1035 (isolation #242) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:41 am

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In post 933, profii wrote:Stun can you give me a concise summary read list?

my concise summary reads list is as follows right now

tier 1
nsg about 98% likely to flip town. but still i would love to see more out of her in general.
shoshin is about 96% likely to flip town.

tier 2
mariar(rc/gif’s prior slot) was below this tier previously, but the switch of games has made me reconsider wholly and he is about 80% likely to flip town. but there still was a comment he made that had scumpinged me as it introduced unnecessary wifom FMPOV if gif!town, and i will refuse to elaborate on it until i can talk to him directly about it postgame.
aronis is about 77% likely to flip town, if simply for the lack of content that directly suggests and that i can agree with that he is not town here and is acually scum.
nicorobin is getting a free pass in general, but i would still say they are likelier than not to flip town. rate at about a 72% likeliness right now. it annoys me that their vote has lingered on me ever since i simply asked her to lay a vote down, however. there is no clear town motive to how nico is playing, but i have already established her meta tendencies.

tier 3
at this point, profii stands highest here at about 63% likely to flip town. i do not feel confident about his alignment being in either direction. i have no clue how to sort profii, tbf though.
i have no clue how to genuinely sort kokichi honestly - he can be a bit of an enigma, but about 55% town at this point.
at this point, creature is about 48% town. i don’t think this is his townplay at all having reflected on it.

both scum are likely in (creature, kokichi, profii) at this point fmpov.
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Post Post #1036 (isolation #243) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:45 am

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but if there is a deepwolf here and i happen to be nk’d, just trust me that it is mariar’s slot.
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Post Post #1055 (isolation #244) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:05 pm

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In post 1052, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1035, stungun0404 wrote:both scum are likely in (creature, kokichi, profii) at this point fmpov.
it makes me laugh that you think you can read me, yet constantly wrong.
did i claim i could read you anywhere recently? i admitted you’re an enigma in a recent post
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #245) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:31 pm

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why is nsg still suspicious to you creature?
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #246) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:33 pm

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well i see nsg and nicorobin are both due for a prod, which is kinda frustrating tbch

@mod: can you prod those two please?


In post 1050, schadd_ wrote:
  • [*]prodding nicorobin and northsidegal
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Post Post #1064 (isolation #247) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:35 pm

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i feel like it is gonna be difficult anyway we slice it to settle on lynch targets with aronis only laying down one vote so far and nicorobin not compromising away from her vote on me since i simply asked her if she could place a vote down, and nsg only placing a vote on kokichi so far

and if they are all town, that puts us in an odd spot moving forward
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #248) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:36 pm

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and aronis’s vote was sheeping me to vote nsg
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #249) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:37 pm

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In post 1064, stungun0404 wrote:i feel like it is gonna be difficult anyway we slice it to settle on lynch targets with aronis only laying down one vote so far and nicorobin not compromising away from her vote on me since i simply asked her if she could place a vote down, and nsg only placing a vote on kokichi so far

and if they are all town, that puts us in an odd spot moving forward
and further kokichi only voting me so far

so that extends to 4 players then
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Post Post #1068 (isolation #250) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:52 pm

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ok, so i just learned that rc supposedly has a tendency to be more toxic in scum games than town games

given his blacklisting of 2 players in this game, does that mean HE is indeed scum this game? and i was right after all?!
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #251) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:07 pm

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hangman is fun! they are doing it in the other thread and i kinda want to bring it in here. i don’t see a reason that this comment should be disallowed, but i’ll take a warning if i get it.
meh. -s


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Post Post #1072 (isolation #252) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:10 pm

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anybody want to play?
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #253) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:15 pm

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guess it depends on your preferences! i like puzzles in general, and one could say mafia in a sense is sort of a puzzle —> esp. as town

you got all these revolving pieces and you have to sort which ones fit together to correctly find the scum team
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Post Post #1077 (isolation #254) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:21 pm

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@profii, but where are your townreads right now? kokichi and nsg are it?

what makes you townread kokichi in specific?
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #255) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:21 pm

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In post 1077, stungun0404 wrote:@profii, where are your townreads right now? kokichi and nsg are it?

what makes you townread kokichi in specific?
ebwop

unnecessary but in there that was not edited out before posting
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #256) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:45 pm

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idk what this indicates for creature’s sake,

but ircher, his friemd, was just lynched in the other game and flipped town

does creature take scum role pm over ircher potentially? i think so!
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #257) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:55 am

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In post 972, profii wrote:GIF feels like someone who is trying to push me because he thinks I’m scum

Stun feels like he is trying to push me because he can get the lynch though at this point

My town flip will hopefully lead you to Stun fairly quickly but idk where 2nd scum is

Whilst Aronis seems scummy, the lynch kinda stalled whereas there seems to be momentum on me and to a degree GIF - could easily be there

I’d expect Koki and NSG to be town


Not sure in creature and Nico


I sort of think it’s best to flip me just so scum don’t know not to kill me tonight as I’m not JK.
ok profii, but you said right here you’d expect kokichi to be town. any particular reason why?
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #258) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:47 am

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it seemed like it would be something that shoshin would do as town, but shoshin can be a ball of confusion with her intent sometimes as i learned in our one game together before this. she started a lynchwagon that got me defensive on that game on me on the first day or so in real time of d1 for contrasting my town style in a game she meta’d. and calling a bit aggressively for others to sheep her. so i could see her doing that as town.

we were both town in that other game, and i townread her there (like i have now here), and since i am one for one with her so far in sorting correctly i have a little confidence i can sort her correctly.

i have never seen shoshin play as scum—that i know of.

what is scummy about not aggressively laying a vote down over something like that? if anything, it could come off as scummy if that was the sole basis of my vote in that it would be too aggressive potentially. so i don’t get what you are getting at there, maria.
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Post Post #1091 (isolation #259) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:07 am

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did you come in with a bias on me thru rc? cause it sure feels like you are seriously biased towards me being scum rn

this is not giving mariar townfeels at all here.

re: at “How’s the fence feel that you’re hardcore sitting on”

that comment feels forced and kinda scummy

what is gross about that one comment? again, scummy because you merely direct attention to it, but you don’t describe why it is gross. extraordinarily easy for scum to hide behind a comment like that lmao.
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #260) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:08 am

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you are either town that is biased and tunneled, or scum that just wants to shift attention to everything i do in an effort to lead a lynchwagon in my direction
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #261) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:13 am

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responses to your analysis post

In post 1089, MariaR wrote:
In post 126, Shoshin wrote:Why are you townreading Aronis?
QFE
In post 132, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 130, Shoshin wrote:Hey Stun, why aren't I locktown yet?
i don’t locktown people ever in rvs unless it’s clear they are locktown.

you are inching your way there slowly, but i’m not quite there yet
How's the fence feel that you're hardcore sitting on
In post 149, profii wrote:I know I’m unorthodox town but that stungun post looks like cracking under pressure to me
Tempted to agree (Side note Shoshin/stun prob aren't partners or stun Profill) Look at post 147 Also I missed a quote but stun said something about RVS and that was weak because we're way past RVS
In post 170, Aronis wrote:WOW OMGUS vote

these scum aren't holding back and are going for my throat

I should've seen this coming
Are you ever going to post something normal or do you continue this little weird tone gimmick the whole game cause ngl this guy dying is something I'd support
In post 175, Aronis wrote:A pagetop!
GOD DAM IT
In post 181, Shoshin wrote:This game isn't Labyrinth. Different players, different environment, different evidence = different play.
I can believe this because I'm the same way
In post 185, Aronis wrote:
In post 179, GirlInFreezer wrote:you even having that lazy townread is scummy and again it seems something more likely to come from scum you when its regarding a slot that you can townread since its not getting lynched anyway
^^^^this is why I never give readslist

it just gets me hated on
Holy shit he made a content related post that I can townread. I need to go see if pigs are flying outside my window brb
In post 189, GirlInFreezer wrote:why is everyone so scummy this game
That's just you RC I got townreads jokes on you
In post 190, Shoshin wrote:They're not. It's bad that you think that.
Gonna need to know why having more scumreads then townreads is "bad" (hint it's not)
In post 195, Shoshin wrote:Easy, profii.
In post 196, stungun0404 wrote:profii
This is gross
In post 211, schadd_ wrote:
In post 201, GirlInFreezer wrote:if profii's scum then FL is scum as well
statements like this that speculate alignment of a player in the opposite game arent allowed. and are fine. RadiantCowbells, The Girl In The Freezer, has officially attained "Short Leash" status
AHAHAHAHHAA GET WHIPPED
In post 215, Creature wrote:
In post 100, schadd_ wrote:stungun0404 (3): profii, GirlInFreezer, Shoshin
Yah, get off
Partner found
In post 228, Kokichi Oma wrote:Keep it up creature

Also, not sure who I think is scum yet. If I had to choose maybe stungun
Holy shit are you town for once? Get the camera
In post 249, Aronis wrote:oh........
oh yes
creature would be my “partner” because? more likely he would know i am not a difficult mislynch after lynchpin mafia where i was mislynched d1

kokichi thinking i am scum makes kokichi town because....? it’s like you are coming in with pre begotten biases here regardless of alignment that you are trying to distort things to by sorting in a manner like that. i’m not dishing out townreads ever just because they scumread a player i think is scum. what’s the logic there when it’s simply a one liner like kokichi gave there? what about that posts makes you think kokichi is town?


having more scumreads than townreads can be a bad thing because it can give the impression that a player is not townhunting, or actively discrediting the majority of players, both of which can be attributed to actually being scum.
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #262) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:13 am

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townhunting vs. scumhunting depends on a players tendencies, though
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #263) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:34 am

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hey. what’s going on nico?
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #264) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:53 am

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@nicorobin, what are your thoughts on creature?
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #265) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:43 pm

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i have looked hard enough for towntells in this thread so far, and there isn’t many in this group of players, which is frustrating when several players seem scummy relative to their metas. nsg and shoshin are my only confident reads, and they both have seemed to an extent to be MIA recently, which is also underwhelming. so i’m rereading specifically looking for scumtells/scum motivated posts, and to see if i get any new insight
In post 20, Shoshin wrote:
In post 18, GirlInFreezer wrote:opens the game by making a not specific game alignment indicative reason for selecting this game, which suggests that he's trying to conceal that there is one such reason for selecting this game.
Why'd you choose this game?
In post 21, GirlInFreezer wrote:Because there was guaranteed to be insurance against me getting N1ed.
rereading the thread, and i positively... absolutely don’t like the eagerness gif presented here. i feel like scum would have pounced on this comment if he was not scum, too. why is he revealing he should not be killed night one that early?

this smacks of scumminess to me on the surface coming from an experienced player. on post 21, you are going to suggest that you should not be the nightkill on n1 in a game that features one town power role... because?

like either you’re scum or you’re town given your gameplay style under one very specific circumstance

i don’t like the eagerness displayed here at all

lemme check over the thread though and see if anything seems scummier before voting your slot.
hope mariar can explain this eagerness away
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Post Post #1116 (isolation #266) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:14 pm

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In post 74, Shoshin wrote:If you were scum, you'd know I was town.

You joined me on Kokichi, so I'm looking to see if that's part of a scum agenda to make me like you or just a townie who felt the same as me. Then you start saying misinterpreting (intentionally or unintentionally) in a way that shows you're not buddying me, so I know you weren't voting Kokichi to buddy me. And that means you're not playing with a scum agenda and you're thinking similar things as me about the game.

So, you're town.
this is a poor argument, and i have to poke holes in it now that i have absorbed it. scum encourage bandwagons in rvs very frequently, esp. in a game this small where a mislynch can happen lickety-split with only five votes needed.

scum will also question anything to get information which they can then attack and use against you. this “locktown” misrepresentation could have been intentionally placed as a way to get you to react, as it is clearly overexaggeration. probably town clearly does not equal locktown.

third, scum will bring in arguments that reflect town, and just simply rephrase or rehash arguments that others have made without adding anything new in an attempt to look like they are helping even if they are not.
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #267) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:17 pm

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In post 70, Shoshin wrote:Because if you were scum you probably wouldn't have said I was "locktown" on Stun when I never said that.
In post 71, GirlInFreezer wrote:I'm not really following

why doesn't scum me make the same mental error regarding what your specific read was that town me did?
In post 72, GirlInFreezer wrote:why wouldn't you go the other way even and think that I'm deliberately misrepresenting your position on stungun?
why wifom like this as town? just accept it as it is tbch. these questions are peculiar coming from town
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Post Post #1124 (isolation #268) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:18 am

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In post 1050, schadd_ wrote:
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends august 14 at 14:00 central US time; in (expired on 2018-08-14 14:00:00)

mod notes
  • note deadline extension. and that mariar is in this game
  • prodding nicorobin and northsidegal
  • hello to the two of you that were in the MU mash
like nsg, i am seriously tired of this day phase

only about a day left; i’m tempted to vote profii and call it a day. if he flips town, we shall look into mariar for not removing her vote upon replacing in from profii, which if town has bad looks on a townplayer.

if he flips scum, well we’ll worry about what the consequence is tomorrow.
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #269) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:10 am

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guys, i really think aronis is town. i believe this is the wrong move, and i will risk myself to avoid this

trust me here please! my gut instinct is screaming that he is town, and i seriously want to trust my gut here.

let me suggest an alternative, just hold up! but i seriously have a feeling this is the wrong lynch option
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #270) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:28 am

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profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1
town stances
In post 77, profii wrote:just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum
In post 83, profii wrote: the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,
so lets just call that town for now.


the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.
In post 102, profii wrote:
I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis


So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either
102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

In post 133, profii wrote:Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game
he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?
In post 142, profii wrote:I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned
claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town
In post 151, profii wrote:Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good
another stance, and we are only 151 posts in
In post 387, profii wrote:
In post 371, the worst wrote:
In post 345, profii wrote:
In post 344, MariaR wrote:Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1
Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst
what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls
I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now
In post 394, profii wrote:Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys
that is 4 players
In post 399, profii wrote:
In post 395, the worst wrote:kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor
I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

In post 464, profii wrote:
In post 231, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 228, profii wrote:i am not a fine lynch :(
damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.
In post 425, Tchill13 wrote:I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?
so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,
koki is probably town
and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)
In post 530, profii wrote:I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is
mostly
TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe


My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.
sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.
In post 660, profii wrote:urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it
not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however




my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii




Spoiler: extra reason
further,
In post 348, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 307, GirlInFreezer wrote:What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense
i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.

suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.
this is additional reason why we lynch him. my gut instincts here have been extremely accurate of late. i cannot fully townread profii, and have called tr’s of him into question. this has proven remarkably accurate for finding scumplayers in my recent games, even extending to a multiball scum game where i questioned a townread on creature and he was scum. in american presidents mafia, the only townread i questioned was on momrangal. she flipped scum. and this was on d1 before i replaced out of that game. this has been absurdly accurate overall of recent, and i encourage everyone to trust my gut here.

In post 455, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 453, Shoshin wrote:
In post 448, GirlInFreezer wrote:Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum
That's townish, yeah.
explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here
i furthered that question mark here, never got a good answer. i am not relieved
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #271) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:30 am

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VOTE: Profii

in case that was not clear enough
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #272) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:41 am

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Spoiler: serious lack of town stances by profii in this game where he has taken a lot of scum stances if you look at his iso
In post 279, profii wrote:I actually like that page topping post from
Shoshin
there - It’s easy for scum to just throw out whatever narrative they want to try and get people to believe but you’ve gone meta diving to go and find the “right” narrative irrespective of what you find

Have the biggest town badge so far
In post 283, profii wrote:
In post 265, Shoshin wrote:
In post 248, profii wrote:Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign
So basically everyone could be scum and you don't have any thoughts about who it is?
Well the point of that post was

stun - prob not scum
Aronis - scum read
Shoshin - scum lean (though i later retract that)
Gif - no idea right now but if you held a gun to my head I’ll go town

NSG - whilst lurking is bad, I’ll aboid reading a slot on 2 posts
Koki - scum lean


So 8 players excluding myself, I’ve offered 3 potential scum slots
I’m leaning most strongly towards Aronis


So basically everyone actually is less than half


There are other times where I would call this shade and say you are scummy for it but your meta diving is swaying me towards saying you are someone who has confidence in their convictions and when you believe in something you will lead your wagon rather than sheep someone else’s

If some other players come in with “yes this fits your meta” uncontested I’ll basically lock town you tbh despite me thinking there are flaws in your case - the intentions seem pure
In post 361, profii wrote:
NSG is town


At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.
In post 954, profii wrote:Like given the wagon I kinda wanna lynch Stun if it was me.
He seems to be getting some firm town reads but I’d question that - as time goes on it seems to be a more and more concerning slot
notice his focus is on discrediting my townreads, although he does not specify which of my townreads he is calling into question. nsg is in his townread pile—my heaviest townread. and shoshin is my others, so exactly what is he discrediting or calling into question here?
In post 972, profii wrote:GIF feels like someone who is trying to push me because he thinks I’m scum

Stun feels like he is trying to push me because he can get the lynch though at this point

My town flip will hopefully lead you to Stun fairly quickly but idk where 2nd scum is

Whilst Aronis seems scummy, the lynch kinda stalled whereas there seems to be momentum on me and to a degree GIF - could easily be there

I’d expect Koki and NSG to be town


Not sure in creature and Nico


I sort of think it’s best to flip me just so scum don’t know not to kill me tonight as I’m not JK.
so, in 1000 pages, there has been a definite shortage of townreads so far by profii compared to his other towngame.
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Post Post #1170 (isolation #273) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:44 am

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In post 361, profii wrote:NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.
why did he make no mention or indication that nsg was town before this post. and he would only KNOW that nsg IS town if he is scum.


that is a damning enough reason to lynch profii here.
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Post Post #1171 (isolation #274) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:45 am

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In post 1170, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 361, profii wrote:
NSG is town


At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.
why did he make no mention or indication that nsg was town before this post? and he would only KNOW that nsg
IS
town if he is scum.


that is a damning enough reason to lynch profii here.
ebwop.

and note he does not back it up.
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Post Post #1172 (isolation #275) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:48 am

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@maria, @creature

why is aronis scummier than profii?

note that profii has joined that aronis wagon TWICE now right when it was hot

he l-2’ed aronis earlier. he does it again here. it’s purely to save himself from being lynched
In post 284, profii wrote:VOTE: aronis
L-2
In post 1152, profii wrote:
In post 572, profii wrote:We should lynch Aronis and JK GIF

VOTE: Aronis
Erm

I will do it

VOTE: Aronis
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #276) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:56 am

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i am calling it: profii IS flipping scum. so let’s lynch profii

In post 57, profii wrote:I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun
In post 188, profii wrote:Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention
In post 12, profii wrote:Those I know, hello
Those I don't, also hello

VOTE: stungun0404
rvs votes me. my wagon eventually gets to L-2, he lingers on it (10 pages+ past that rvs vote) and tries to paint me as scum

In post 149, profii wrote:I know I’m unorthodox town but that stungun post looks like cracking under pressure to me
trying to get a mislynch wagon d1 after gif/rc moves off me

meanwhile, a serious lack of town stances, which shoshin proved on page 12 and i myself am finding seriously sketchy out of profii. there is NO lack of scum stances, however, which means he is more likely than not scum given his supposed townhunting reputation as town.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #277) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:57 am

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In post 1179, stungun0404 wrote:i am calling it: profii IS flipping scum. so let’s lynch profii

In post 57, profii wrote:I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun
In post 188, profii wrote:Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention
In post 12, profii wrote:Those I know, hello
Those I don't, also hello

VOTE: stungun0404
rvs votes me. my wagon eventually gets to L-2, he lingers on it (10 pages+ past that rvs vote) and tries to paint me as scum

In post 149, profii wrote:I know I’m unorthodox town but that stungun post looks like cracking under pressure to me
trying to get a mislynch wagon d1 after gif/rc moves off me

meanwhile, a serious lack of town stances, which shoshin proved on page 12 and i myself am finding seriously sketchy out of profii. there is NO lack of scum stances, however, which means he is more likely than not scum given his supposed townhunting reputation as town.
meant to comment on those aronis posts.

he admits aronis is a “ scumplayers dream” and yet puts him at L2 not long after that
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #278) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:58 am

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In post 1177, profii wrote:The only good thing about lynching me is you remove a VT claim so it makes it harder for scum tonight but I flip town
i don’t believe you are flipping town


@shoshin, WHY SHOULD ARONIS CLAIM?

GIF HAS CLAIMED, PROFII HAS CLAIMED. DO WE WANT TO OUT THE JAILKEEPER THIS QUICKLY? BAD IDEA
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #279) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:59 am

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let’s just lynch profii.

vanilla claim = harmless. and i seriously think profii is scum rn
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Post Post #1183 (isolation #280) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:59 am

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our best move as town is just to lynch profii and let the jailkeeper remain anonymous
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #281) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:01 am

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does anybody on the aronis lynchwagon GENUINELY think he is scum? that is my problem right now. it sure does not look like there is solid reasoning there
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #282) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:05 am

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notice also how aronis is not helping us lynch profii here. but profii is helping us lynch aronis. from that, it can be deduced one is scum trying to survive with a mislynch (survivalism) and the other is town not too convinced on the scumminess of anyone and is kind of resigned to being lynched.
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Post Post #1187 (isolation #283) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:06 am

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thanks creature btw! :D
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #284) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:09 am

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In post 1189, profii wrote:I’ll humour you stun - let’s say Aronis flips town and by some magic I was scum, who are you looking at for my partner?
why are you asking this if town?

it is not smart to speculate on partners pre-flip as town. it distracts you from the lynch you want, and your intention here seems to be to distract me. my intention is not to get distracted from lynching you, which is the correct move here. i find this to be a scum-motivated distraction, but nice try :wink:
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #285) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:11 am

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i learned that from reading some mafiascum articles last night, even though i had made the mistake earlier of speculating on partners myself

i can see why it is a bad move for town
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #286) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:13 am

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you’ve done that twice to me now btw.

why are you seeing a universe where you are scum if you are indeed NOT SCUM?

you are flipping scum. your intention here is to distract. and the right move here is for town to lynch you
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Post Post #1197 (isolation #287) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:17 am

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In post 854, profii wrote:
In post 843, GirlInFreezer wrote:if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.
Actually this is scummy

This infers you are not the JK

You should know better than to narrow down the JK hunt

You did it anyway

Ergo, this is a scummy post
attacking this, but not voting this IS SCUMMY.
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Post Post #1202 (isolation #288) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:22 am

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except i specifically laid out why i was not voting you

profii did no such thing
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #289) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:22 am

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In post 1201, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun

still willing to vote aronis or creature but stungun is very very lost rn
you are flipping scum, period. end of story
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Post Post #1207 (isolation #290) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:23 am

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In post 1200, profii wrote:
In post 1197, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 854, profii wrote:
In post 843, GirlInFreezer wrote:if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.
Actually this is scummy

This infers you are not the JK

You should know better than to narrow down the JK hunt

You did it anyway

Ergo, this is a scummy post
attacking this, but not voting this IS SCUMMY.
ugh, no, you were saying the other day you couldnt be bothered to fight GIF either...

if you drive this mislynch through i hope you are the JK because scum are taking you to lylo in this game...
what tells you scum is taking me to lylo? you are admitting i am town. this means you are scum
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #291) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:24 am

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only scum would KNOW i am town

only scum would KNOW nsg is town

but actively take no seriously backed stances on EITHER
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #292) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:26 am

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In post 1201, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun

still willing to vote aronis or creature but stungun is very very lost rn
YOU ADMIT I AM TOWN AND YET YOU VOTE ME.

this is scummy af
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Post Post #1212 (isolation #293) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:28 am

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it is L-1 right now.
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #294) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:32 am

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profii, give very specific reads on everyone of which alignment you expect them to be

you still have not, even under all this pressure
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #295) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:32 am

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*please givethem
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #296) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:39 am

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nico should not be a jailkeep selection imho if profii flips town here.

reason is there is no reason at all for scum her’s only post about profii being town ... and that being her only townread

i advise heavily against it with a scumflip of profii, but ultimately the decision is up to the JK
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #297) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:40 am

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*if profii flips scum
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #298) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:42 am

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and why jailkeep aronis with profii scumflip?
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Post Post #1227 (isolation #299) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:04 am

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problem is you have townread nsg this whole day phase, and now suddenly you are calling everything she has done now NAI? you even specifically worded “NSG is town”, and i know as town i would avoid saying sth like that regarding a player that is lurky. and even saying somebody is town in general, because it speaks of an informed perspective. and what kind of progression?

second, creature is an easier mislynch temptation, so you are moving over there. you are not voting me while supposedly you think i just admitted you are town and that “i am scum.”

i see the game you are trying to play here: it is cast doubt on everyone.

and what is so towny about kokichi? you never answered that the first time, and that might be because the two of you are scum partners. i really really have not understood any townreads there of recent.

p-edit: you voted me to stay consistent for once. congrats!



In post 1077, stungun0404 wrote:@profii, but where are your townreads right now? kokichi and nsg are it?

what makes you townread kokichi in specific?
you never answered this, you just distracted away from it in your next post after. possible scum partner tell


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In post 1021, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi oma, would you prefer a lynch of profii or creature here?
Profil, only because I feel like Creature is easier to read for me.
but yet kokichi has not joined this profii wagon AT ALL.

why?
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #300) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:05 am

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In post 1226, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Aronis

I don't think it's acceptable for players at L-1 not to claim. I was in a position to hammer so I think he should have claimed.
please don’t get distracted away from profii.

he is flipping scum and i feel quite confident about it
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #301) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:08 am

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somebody does not contradict themselves 900 times like profii has unless they are scum here
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Post Post #1230 (isolation #302) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:15 am

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In post 1226, Shoshin wrote:VOTE: Aronis

I don't think it's acceptable for players at L-1 not to claim. I was in a position to hammer so I think he should have claimed.
why when gif and profii have both already claimed?

aronis is not scum, just please trust my gut instinct here. i will willingly take backlash postgame if i am wrong. but i don’t want us to hone in on the jailkeeper too soon here.

cause see,

there are 2 scum. 6 vt’s and 1 jk.

we have 2 vt claims already. if they are both town, then we are already pretty fucked. 6-2 = 4 meaning scum seriously has a heads up on who is the jailkeeper. 1 in 4 chance is awfully bad, do we want to risk it being a 1-3 chance? i say no when we have pretty good evidence profii is scum here.

aronis we can sort next day phase, if necessary. but WE NEED the jailkeeper to survive at least one night. period.

if scum knows who the jailkeeper is, and on night 1 they shoot said jailkeeper, then we are fucked. they are our easiest route to catching scum. thus, the only smart move for aronis would be claiming vanilla regardless of what his actual role is. but nobody can prove vanilla right now. claiming jailkeeper fucks us over in the long run

so there is no reason for further claims on d1
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #303) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:17 am

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further claims are absolutely a distraction to stop us from scumhunting
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #304) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:20 am

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let me put it this way

with aronis, there is a chance he is jailkeeper

with profii there is zero chance he is jailkeeper.

which is the optimal pursuit right now?
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #305) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:20 am

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and there’s a chance i am jk, but still

let’s not make it clearer for scum who that jk is
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #306) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:32 am

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In post 1223, profii wrote:VOTE: stungun
you literally implied i am town

and yet you are actually back to voting me

if this is not scummy, then idk what is
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Post Post #1240 (isolation #307) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:35 am

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right, i feel about 95 percent certain right now profii is scum

as town, you never imply someone is town if you are going to vote them soon after, which would imply you think they are scum

this reads as a total accident scumslip to me because of how hard i was tunneling profii.
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #308) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:38 am

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In post 1200, profii wrote:
In post 1197, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 854, profii wrote:
In post 843, GirlInFreezer wrote:if you're town and saying that 'you do not think that i am all that town' then you are still acknowledging that I am towny and choosing to ignore it for whatever policy shit you're bringing into this game
you're sure enough that I'm town to trade your life on my townflip and also to be ignored when you inevitably claim jailkeeper to out the town one, be our guest.
Actually this is scummy

This infers you are not the JK

You should know better than to narrow down the JK hunt

You did it anyway

Ergo, this is a scummy post
attacking this, but not voting this IS SCUMMY.
ugh, no, you were saying the other day you couldnt be bothered to fight GIF either...

if you drive this mislynch through i hope you are the JK because scum are taking you to lylo in this game...
this exact wording assumes under all circumstances i am town here.

scum are taking me to lylo, why? because i am town.

this is not qualified at all.

same with his nsg townread that has devolved into “NAI”-ness
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #309) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:44 am

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In post 1222, profii wrote:
In post 1220, stungun0404 wrote:and why jailkeep aronis with profii scumflip?
In post 1186, stungun0404 wrote:notice also how aronis is not helping us lynch profii here. but profii is helping us lynch aronis. from that, it can be deduced one is scum trying to survive with a mislynch (survivalism) and the other is town not too convinced on the scumminess of anyone and is kind of resigned to being lynched.
wow

wow

wow

you are trying to feed the group that we are a scum team

you are trying to say mafia theory says JK should cop a solo remaining mafia

yet when i flip scum, we dont cop aronis, despite you pointing out we are somehow scum link and a JK becomes a cop



BECAUSE YOU KNOW IM GOING TO FLIP TOWN OMG SCUM LOL
total misrep. not once do i suggest that either aronis and profii or myself and profii are a scum team, and idk which one he is referring to there.


i already implied earlier in the thread if TWO SCUM remain jk should use power as a doctor. if ONE SCUM remains, jk should use it as a cop.

i never once implied you and aronis are a pair. i stated thinking aronis is town there, or so that statement should imply.

your logic here is very inconsistent.
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #310) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:29 pm

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In post 1247, Creature wrote:Wait, did Aronis disappear without doing anything again?
let’s not get distracted by the fact that both kokichi and profii posted and then disappeared just now after i called them out as a possible scum pair based off their answers/lack of answer in the case of profii to my questions about each other.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #311) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:32 pm

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let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #312) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:41 pm

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In post 1258, Aronis wrote:
In post 1254, stungun0404 wrote:let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?
You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum
lol. if you had to pick just 2 scum, who you picking?
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #313) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:53 pm

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profii scum game where he was brought to L-1 on day 1, but was never lynched and instead survived to endgame = a nice possible comparison!

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=75571&user_select%5B%5D=30948

notice here he is not really focused on town sorting either. similar to this game

viewtopic.php?p=10106109#p10106109
similarly makes a comment like he did here with “if i am scum here”


@kokichi, if you are town, i would like you to ask your friemd gamma emerald about his read on profii please.
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #314) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:55 pm

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In post 1262, Aronis wrote:
In post 1261, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1258, Aronis wrote:
In post 1254, stungun0404 wrote:let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?
You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum
lol. if you had to pick just 2 scum, who you picking?
Creature would be my last pick out of those four. I might go with nico+profii cause NSG has been barely better than them
thank you.

i would ask if you are up for voting profii, but i really want to hear kokichi’s answer to my question before profii’s flip. could you plan to be around to hammer potentially tomorrow when we inch real close to deadline?
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #315) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:22 pm

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In post 1263, stungun0404 wrote:
@kokichi, if you are town, i would like you to ask your friemd gamma emerald about his read on profii please.
kokichi, this qustion
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #316) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:08 pm

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if kokichi is not scum with profii, i am calling that mariar is def scum with profii because gif made a sketchy townread of profii on page 12 and then when i asked him about it he never backed it up.

and plus that toxicity from rc’s scum game meta, you know :P

trust me on this once profii almost definitely flips scum and i am likely nk’d. if there is one game where i will insist upon this, this is it. it is why this day phase has lasted so unbearably long.
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #317) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:10 pm

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but regardless of what the case is here, profii is absolutely the right lynch, so do not get distracted from it please while i go to sleep for the night. if you are town, you should not worry about me speccing you as a partner right now, we can potentially hash that out tomorrow if need be. just worry about lynching scum now. profii is almost definitely scum
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #318) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:09 pm

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why is aronis scummier than profii?
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #319) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:07 pm

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i am going to be highkey frustrated here if aronis is lynched and flips town here

look at all the recent voters on his lynchwagon

nicorobin started it for no reason, other than the treatment of nico’s slot from aronis
maria followed creature saying he could lynch aronis and just up and voted aronis
profii follows 2 minutes later, but has been scummy imo
creature then places aronis at L-1


the lynch dies off after i return

shoshin then rejoins the aronis wagon, moving off the profii wagon, when profii is clearly scummier than aronis here
then kokichi who had literally only voted me before votes aronis, with no reasoning attached, in spite of previously mentioning a willingness to vote profii

6 players and not a serious reason for scumreading aronis that i have seen

meanwhile, profii has been scummy af and that lynchwagon has died off because??? shoshin, you even said he was scummy earlier

so why did you move?
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #320) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:09 pm

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i even joined aronis lynchwagon earlier for no reason to L-1 him at one point, so that is 7 fucking slots. aronis town here ffs with all this danger he has been put in. only nsg’s slot HAS NOT been placed a vote that endangered him
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #321) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:11 pm

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In post 1283, profii wrote:The fact we can’t get aronis through suggests scum aren’t keen to be there. Intent it and get the claim or just vote
EXCEPT THE SAME THING WOULD APPLY TO YOUR WAGON.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET YOU THROUGH
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #322) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:12 pm

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it’s frustrating too because i really think you are scum here and your partner is not bussing and is in fact kokichi
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #323) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:13 pm

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why, based off your own gameplay style, should i believe this is your townplay profii?
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Post Post #1289 (isolation #324) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:17 pm

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In post 1167, stungun0404 wrote:profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1
town stances
In post 77, profii wrote:just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum
In post 83, profii wrote: the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,
so lets just call that town for now.


the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.
In post 102, profii wrote:
I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis


So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either
102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

In post 133, profii wrote:Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game
he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?
In post 142, profii wrote:I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned
claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town
In post 151, profii wrote:Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good
another stance, and we are only 151 posts in
In post 387, profii wrote:
In post 371, the worst wrote:
In post 345, profii wrote:
In post 344, MariaR wrote:Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1
Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst
what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls
I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now
In post 394, profii wrote:Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys
that is 4 players
In post 399, profii wrote:
In post 395, the worst wrote:kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor
I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

In post 464, profii wrote:
In post 231, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 228, profii wrote:i am not a fine lynch :(
damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.
In post 425, Tchill13 wrote:I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?
so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,
koki is probably town
and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)
In post 530, profii wrote:I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is
mostly
TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe


My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.
sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.
In post 660, profii wrote:urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it
not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however




my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii




Spoiler: extra reason
further,
In post 348, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 307, GirlInFreezer wrote:What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense
i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.

suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.
this is additional reason why we lynch him. my gut instincts here have been extremely accurate of late. i cannot fully townread profii, and have called tr’s of him into question. this has proven remarkably accurate for finding scumplayers in my recent games, even extending to a multiball scum game where i questioned a townread on creature and he was scum. in american presidents mafia, the only townread i questioned was on momrangal. she flipped scum. and this was on d1 before i replaced out of that game. this has been absurdly accurate overall of recent, and i encourage everyone to trust my gut here.

In post 455, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 453, Shoshin wrote:
In post 448, GirlInFreezer wrote:Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum
That's townish, yeah.
explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here
i furthered that question mark here, never got a good answer. i am not relieved
i have made several cases profii, with the majority of the material being in and both of which went largely unacknowledged by you iirc.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #325) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:20 pm

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what frustrates me is kokichi and nicorobin both can be very difficult to work with, and they are both on the aronis wagon right now and there is not much i can do about that :facepalm:

they were both on my wagon earlier too. what should i expect?
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #326) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:20 pm

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in fact, that is literally kokichi and nico’s vote progression

stun —> aronis

that’s it for both
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Post Post #1294 (isolation #327) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:22 pm

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lol profii i’m not screaming at you genuinely, i am just frustrated at whoever is town right now because i really think it’s clear you are scum. that is how you are coming off to me in our interactions
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #328) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:28 pm

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In post 1279, profii wrote:
In post 1253, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1247, Creature wrote:Wait, did Aronis disappear without doing anything again?
let’s not get distracted by the fact that both kokichi and profii posted and then disappeared just now after i called them out as a possible scum pair based off their answers/lack of answer in the case of profii to my questions about each other.
Or let’s consider it’s 6am now in my time zone so back I just.... went to sleep


I can see why GIf was getting frustrated now


Your constant misrepping is annoying - hence lylo comment earlier
good god. i have never had to be this argumentative in a mafia game before.

i might misremember, but i do not intentionally misrep.

you did post after the fact, but before i made that statement. it was a conclusion i thus upheld since both of you had posted, and neither acknowledged it.

this is not misrepping. misrepping is distorting sth entirely from the context of which it is taken.
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #329) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:33 pm

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you should never as town speculate instances where you flip scum. way too much wifom

you have done that 3 times profii
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Post Post #1302 (isolation #330) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:37 pm

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In post 1298, profii wrote:You didn’t think about why people might have lives outside of a mafia game (shock horror) and instead just went straight in with a comment that helped your tunnel

It’s annoying. Stop it.
hey now, that’s a low blow. even i do believe it or not have a life outside the game

when i tunnel, i tunnel hard until sth seriously convinces me otherwise. nothing has convinced me of such. this is nothing new.

tunneling can be annoying, but that does not mean it is wrong. if it is on scum, it is right. you seemed quite scummy to me initially, and still do.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #331) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:38 pm

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i think i am 2/3 so far at tunneling on scum. that isn’t bad

i’m going to call it a night and go to bed
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #332) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:30 am

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@shoshin, which of aronis or profii do you think is more likely to flip scum? you really think aronis?
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Post Post #1310 (isolation #333) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:48 am

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profii vote pattern: stungun (until after i was put at L-2 and gif removed his vote from me to put it on shoshin) —> aronis (put him at L-2 early on) —>kokichi (demands a wagon on kokichi for associatives) —> aronis (says we should lynch aronis and jk gif) —> gif (puts gif at L-3, following my vote there) —> creature (says we lynch creature “which pretty much towns gif”) —> aronis (back at L-2) —> creature (with reason that we’ll obtain more info from creature lynch, even though he scumreads aronis?) —>votes aronis again to L-2 him again! —> votes stungun even though he thinks i am town —> votes creature because highest chances for scum are creature and aronis which is valid at least —> votes stungun even though he literally implied i am town a page prior —> votes aronis to put him BACK AT L-1

there is a bunch of slimy bandwagoning here in profii’s iso, and his maintaining his position on the bandwagons in particular is what can go down as scummy here. and all the contradictions of his vote pattern in particular is what everyone should be seeing as scummy.







he literally implied in a post that i was town UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. and yet he votes me a page later. what is not scummy about that? kokichi, given that you give weight to voting patterns, you should seriously consider this as scummy
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #334) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:49 am

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he votes gif thinking gif is scum, then he votes creature next “which pretty much towns gif”.

what kind of logic is that?
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Post Post #1313 (isolation #335) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:56 am

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In post 594, profii wrote:Gifs not had pressure really. I think applying some will remove any element of doubt to the above

And if that pressure gives any scum tells to the rest of town then winner winner

I’m pretty biased now I’m pretty much locked on Aronis and GIF - so I’ll try not to tunnel and get in the way but I think I’ve sussed this game now
correction: he wanted to pressure gif, but he did have suspicions of gif before that creature vote which he straight-up said “would pretty much town gif”
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #336) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:58 am

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In post 1312, MariaR wrote:It feels good when Stun isn't on your ass for once
yeah, i’m like wisdom 2.0 when i get locked in in terms of tunneling energy :giggle:
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Post Post #1320 (isolation #337) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:24 am

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distortion: i do bus as scum, just not always!

i did it HARD in newbie 1875.



and i think you, profii, are scum because of a). you literally implied that you know i am town without directly stating so yourself, and then voted me soon afterwards. you would only know i am town if you are scum. b). similarly, you say you know NSG is town early on, then you back that up later by attributing everything nsg has done as being NAI. what kind of progression? c). you distract me from your vote wagon by trying to find out who your partner would be before you are lynched, and you have done sth of this nature multiple times now. and d). you are scum because you have doubtcasted players more than stuck up for them in general off memory, and that is being scum 101.

e). even if your lynch goes through, you aren’t even offering us that many townreads to reflect upon. you expect players to be town, but you are not really telling us you think they are town. this is also problematic.
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #338) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:32 am

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In post 1321, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1278, stungun0404 wrote:why is aronis scummier than profii?
I dont like how he wouldn't claim also his lynch lool is quiet big which I think could be from scum
fair enough, but i think profii’s is quite large too. he’s said he’d lynch creature, aronis, me among others iirc.

i will hammer aronis if absolutely necessary, but i’m honestly not thinking he’s scum. something particular about his tone registers as towny to me. just strikes a chord. you ever get that feeling?
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Post Post #1326 (isolation #339) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:34 am

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if aronis flips town and i wind up dead,

definitely go for profii

if i’m jk, i’m doctoring tonight with 2 scum in that instance

if 1 scum i’m copping with it
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Post Post #1327 (isolation #340) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:37 am

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In post 1323, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1312, MariaR wrote:It feels good when Stun isn't on your ass for once
I feel this. Worst part hes been wrong about me every game I've been in with him. Lol
how do i tell when you are town though? you seemingly, fmpov, go against town as town sometimes. :lol:
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #341) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:17 am

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i’m doing a quick aronis metadive to see if it is consistent with what i think before potentially hammering
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #342) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:47 am

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just a moment, i have a case —> so nobody hammer aronis yet
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #343) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:07 am

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i found via a town game of aronis’s a common frustration: he is troll-y as town. so many of his posts can read as scummy to the eye, and as anti-town at first sight, making his posts easy to attack when he is town although in his town games it appears players have noticed a lack of true scum MOTIVATION behind his posts. so perhaps i would feel at ease casing him for some of his major posts looking specifically for whether there is a scum motivation behind the posts he has made.


Spoiler: looking for scum motivation behind aronis’s posts
In post 10, Aronis wrote:wow already voting me :( you guys are mean
first post in thread. i had already voted him, but no omgus vote = lack of scum motivation.


In post 11, Aronis wrote:
In post 9, northsidegal wrote:oh, i feel like this'll be a hard playerlist to read.
don't worry, I'll make sure to be obvtown in the next 24 hours to lighten the load up for you!! :cop:
lack of scum motivation here is also present; he is putting pressure on himself to town it up.

In post 28, Aronis wrote:
In post 24, Shoshin wrote:Hey Stun & Aronis, help us lynch Kokichi!
I plan on it! I'm just waiting for them to get to L-1 so I can quickhammer
fits in with general trolliness of his playstyle, which players tend to take issue with.

possible scum motivation in quickhammering a player, but the lack of scum motivation is present in that he is not pushing for that player actively to be lynched until his next post, which gives a different impression.



In post 30, Aronis wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!
In post 55, Aronis wrote:
In post 34, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 30, Aronis wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!
ok, this has possible scum motivation for sure. quicklynching a possible townplayer (or even scum for that matter) gives town little information to go off of, so if he’s even jokily trying to encourage me here, that could definitely rate as scummy. really, he can’t seriously believe i will follow this though, right?





Good idea. I'm sure NOTHING could possibly go wrong with this plan
I know it's beautiful. you should selfvote so we can make it happen!!!
again, he’s being jokily aggressive. but he can’t seriously believe kokichi will follow through with this, can he?



In post 105, Aronis wrote:
In post 80, GirlInFreezer wrote:+town
GIF (obvtown)
kokichi (think sliiightly more likely to come from town so far but I'll see)

NSG (less likely to take scum)
Creature (less likely to take scum)
will reassess that based on their play from here on out

nicorobin (very slightly, gut read ish?)
Aronis (maybe I shouldn't actually townread this already but meh think slightly more likely to be town. no ideah ow to rly read them tho)

that leaves

Shoshin
Stungun
Profii

and I'm independently scumreading all 3 of their play so happy with where i'm at rn
I generally confess my guilt by page 7 when I'm scum- so you really don't need to worry about me. If I'm not town you'll find out very soon
again, puts pressure on himself to town it up again. and this is anti-scum wincon the way he has played so far if he is indeed scum, so i see lack of scum motivation.


In post 166, Aronis wrote:
In post 165, profii wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:
In post 106, Shoshin wrote:Hey Aronis, any reads?
okay! I'm going to give you reads:

I think lurking is all Nico ever does so we're just gonna wait for the inevitable replacement- In the meantime I'm not interested in lynching them since the replacement should give us better content to go on
Girl- she's a good player so since she hasn't been super obvtown already she's probably scum
profii - you don't get more obvious scum than this, save for maybe a cop guilty
Kokichi- I feel like he's probably town. I like his posts
northsidegal- town for sure
stungun- tough read but he can go into the town category for now
creature- probably town. I liked one of his posts
why did you start a readlist with “this player will just replace out” - that just comes over as filler
In post 157, Shoshin wrote:Look at how I played D1 in the other game. I actually got scumread at some point for being too passive...
Why are you changing it up
yeah keep trying to distract from the fact that I caught you
In post 170, Aronis wrote:WOW OMGUS vote

these scum aren't holding back and are going for my throat

I should've seen this coming
does not cast votes, but calls out suspicions, which given the eye test can definitely look scummy. this has possible scum motivation —> i can see it.



In post 237, Aronis wrote:oh no guys don't lynch me I'm a town cop
In post 239, Aronis wrote:i don't like taking this game very seriously, then I just get stressed out and frustrated

i generally wait until about day 3 to scumhunt
In post 254, Aronis wrote:VOTE: NSG

I'm trusting stun since I think he's one of about three town players in this game with me and is making sense
In post 258, Aronis wrote:stop being anti town RC
vote NSG
In post 281, Aronis wrote:okay i'm pretty sure shoshin is conftown at this point and one of the best players on this site
In post 282, Aronis wrote:i might just sheep shoshin for the rest of the game tbh
In post 285, Aronis wrote:wow you can tell profii just got caught
gotta go back and modify that readslist real quick before anyone else realizes she/he is scum
In post 287, Aronis wrote:you got called out for being vague- something you do as scum, so you just made the most direct and to the point readslist possible and then your conclusion is oh, let's put someone else at L2 to try to get as much attention off of me as possible
In post 290, Aronis wrote:
In post 288, profii wrote:Feel free to interrogate as much as you can to understand the rationale for any of my reads if you want to send attention my way

I felt my first list was mis repped because I don’t feel like I’m scum reading “basically everyone” by any stretch so I thought clarity would help

But you do seem to be directing heat in my direction ironically
I count one very weak town endorsement on stungun from that list
everybody else you ignore, don't commit, or call scum. Scum reading "basically everyone" seems like a fairly accurate description. You definitely didn't give any real town reads out.
In post 340, Aronis wrote:Stungun might as well be an IC at this point
In post 630, Aronis wrote:Whatttttt i kinda want to lynch gif for that. It feels like a massive overreaction. I don't see town frustration in doing that in this situation
In post 800, Aronis wrote:
In post 759, stungun0404 wrote:VOTE: Kokichi

@Aronis, who are you liking the chances of being scum best right now?
Honestly I'm frustrated enough that I'd kill anybody that isn't you, me, or shoshin
In post 957, Aronis wrote:why is creature so obsessed with the jailkeeper?
In post 1005, Aronis wrote:I imagine it's because he doesn't like being scum
In post 1106, Aronis wrote:I'm pretty sure saying hi 4+ times is a scumtell
In post 1108, Aronis wrote:I've never seen a town player say hi that many times in a single game day
In post 1112, Aronis wrote:That's why a policy lynch isn't that bad of an idea even if it's not my first choice
In post 1256, Aronis wrote:Besides the votes on me were horrible. Profii's flipped his vote between three different people multiple times in the past few hours. Profii and Creature are both just trying to avoid getting lynched and kill anyone possible. They don't have any legitimate reasons for voting me

Nico over here has made 17 posts. Their play is horrible and incredibly anti-town. The mod has double the posts Nico does and everyone else's slot has minimally three times more. Nico is sitting over here telling you that lurking is a town behavior- I think we all know that's dumb. Then to top it off when I call them out for being hands down the worst player in the game, they pretty much OMGUS vote me because they're offended or something dumb.

MariaR's vote was the only one I took moderately seriously and even then it wasn't great. The wagon on me was an absolute joke and one I have no intentions of caring about
In post 1258, Aronis wrote:
In post 1254, stungun0404 wrote:let’s not get distracted over aronis when that happened, pardon

@aronis, what are your current gamereads on everyone?
You're town. Kokichi, shoshin, and mariaR I'm fine with not killing today

The rest of the people can die because they're some combination of dumb, useless, and/or scum
In post 1276, Aronis wrote:
In post 1267, NicoRobin wrote:You're spinning this around and insisting that I am saying that lurking in general is town behavior, rather than it being town behavior for ME ALONE.

But okay, be my guest. :c
I'm saying lurking isn't town behavior and is anti-town. Provide all the examples you want, I highly doubt you'll be able to solidly prove it's a townie course of action on a repeated basis.


p-edit: with 2 hours left i am just going to post all this and continue considering them from there.

i would like if players could try to find serious scum motivation in his posts, because i see a lack thereof.
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Post Post #1334 (isolation #344) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:09 am

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In post 30, Aronis wrote:
In post 29, stungun0404 wrote:@kokichi, are you town this game?
I've got a really good idea! let's lynch them and find out!!!!
right here he incites me to lynch kokichi, but does not join = possible scum motivation
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #345) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:11 am

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In post 166, Aronis wrote:
In post 165, profii wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:
In post 106, Shoshin wrote:Hey Aronis, any reads?
okay! I'm going to give you reads:

I think lurking is all Nico ever does so we're just gonna wait for the inevitable replacement- In the meantime I'm not interested in lynching them since the replacement should give us better content to go on
Girl- she's a good player so since she hasn't been super obvtown already she's probably scum
profii - you don't get more obvious scum than this, save for maybe a cop guilty
Kokichi- I feel like he's probably town. I like his posts
northsidegal- town for sure
stungun- tough read but he can go into the town category for now
creature- probably town. I liked one of his posts
why did you start a readlist with “this player will just replace out” - that just comes over as filler
In post 157, Shoshin wrote:Look at how I played D1 in the other game. I actually got scumread at some point for being too passive...
Why are you changing it up
yeah keep trying to distract from the fact that I caught you
possible scum motivation: saying he has caught someone, but not following through with a vote, hoping others pick up on what he found scummy.

but then again this is kinda negated here: does he really expect others to pick up on what he supposedly caught from profii?
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #346) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:13 am

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In post 237, Aronis wrote:oh no guys don't lynch me I'm a town cop
why fakeclaim cop as scum? lmao. maybe to get on town’s humour side, but there really is no scum motivation to that in a game that is cop-less.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #347) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:20 am

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In post 239, Aronis wrote:i don't like taking this game very seriously, then I just get stressed out and frustrated

i generally wait until about day 3 to scumhunt
now this definitely has scum motivation. waiting to scumread until a particular day can absolutely be scum-motivated. there is no reason to as town
In post 281, Aronis wrote:okay i'm pretty sure shoshin is conftown at this point and one of the best players on this site
conftown statements made as scum are hella bold, even if joking.

the possible scum motivation here would clearly be pocketing, however

In post 282, Aronis wrote:i might just sheep shoshin for the rest of the game tbh
sheeping me and shoshin could definitely have a scum motivation if we are off the beaten path; however, he has not followed through with this with votes or anything except for following me on nsg, so he’s not really taking this seriously
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #348) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:26 am

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deadline is in 1 hour 37 minutes

i have a good grip on it, tyvm.

i don’t think you genuinely think i am scum. i really do not. you omgus me as a vote basically, despite implying i am town at one point earlier. it is easier for me to assume you are scum here, because you don’t have a serious case against me except my tunnel vision on you, and my case has been backed up by a). your meta and b). direct contradictions in your play and actions that have happened time and time again
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #349) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:28 am

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INTENT TO HAMMER ARONIS


just because i think he, even if town, is possible dead weight that would not be conducive to our purposes concerning votes moving forward.

i still think profii is scum here, but i can digress from that
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #350) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:29 am

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he has laid down one vote, and that was sheeping me on nsg

with the difficulty we have had achieving wagons, this might be an alright move
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #351) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:36 am

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it’s been awhile since i have had the hammer vote, haha. this must be 2016 all over again!

VOTE: Aronis

i will pray this flips scum, though my gut is screaming differently. :neutral:

i really think he will flip town :cry:

prove me wrong, scumhunting overlords!
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #352) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:41 am

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In post 1346, profii wrote:And if it does you in jail tonight boy
you would choose me: because you think i am town, or because you think i am scum? and i might be that jk, we’ll see :wink:
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #353) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:44 am

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In post 1347, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1346, profii wrote:And if it does you in jail tonight boy
you would choose me: because you think i am town, or because you think i am scum? and i might be that jk, we’ll see :wink:
i mean if aronis flips town, anyways

would really like to know more of your thought process there
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #354) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:50 am

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jk for protection can work towards a couple things, absolutely disagree with that. with multiple scum, it is absolutely optimal.

we protect someone we think is definitely town —> redirects scum nk perhaps to player we find scummier. añternatively, it also protects that player from being nk’d. so either it tells us if we jk them, that player is either scum that made the shot or town that was protected from the kill, with the latter being far likelier.

it’s unlikely with multiple scum remaining that you choose just the one that makes the kill. thus, you can protect against the kill optimally by keeping a townier player alive.
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #355) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:52 am

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yeah, using at as a cop is absolutely optimal with only 1 scum, cause then you get clears if a nk is made
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #356) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:56 am

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In post 1350, profii wrote:
In post 1348, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1347, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1346, profii wrote:And if it does you in jail tonight boy
you would choose me: because you think i am town, or because you think i am scum? and i might be that jk, we’ll see :wink:
i mean if aronis flips town, anyways

would really like to know more of your thought process there
“And if it does”

Does = you go to jail IF ARONIS IS SCUM


If it’s a town flip, totally different approach

Read properly man
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #357) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:57 am

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and that was my wrongly aimed tunnel on town. the other 2 that i know alignments from were on scum
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Post Post #1359 (isolation #358) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:01 am

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your discrediting my meta, which is something scum has a tendency of doing, so noting ;)
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Post Post #1360 (isolation #359) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:02 am

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*you’re

without actively looking into it, that is
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Post Post #1361 (isolation #360) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:04 am

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In post 1355, Kokichi Oma wrote:If this flips scum, I'd be jailing creature. If I'm jk that is.
i’d consider someone on his votewagon, because it is likelier the other partner bussed if they knew this lynchwagon was gonna happen.

especially with how firm it was
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #361) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:09 am

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In post 1354, profii wrote:Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson
if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks
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Post Post #1366 (isolation #362) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:13 am

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In post 1362, profii wrote:You know your meta fluently

So if you are scum it would apparently be easy for you to go x is my meta but I did y so im town

It has nothing to do with this game tbh


You keep saying thing like that though - it’s like you are playing text book mafia rather than trying to understand why things in this game are happening
does not mean it should be thoroughly discounted like you have done here: that is what scum likes to do. it is beneficial for them to reject something always regarding a player’s playstyle before they even look into it, especially if knowing that player is town.

if it is firmly founded, it absolutely can be the case. see nsg’s meta for a good quality example of this. she has claimed before some of her scum tendencies and in fact they have turned out to be truthful and have gotten her caught after the game where she first admitted to them. in fact, i replaced into a doomed scum slot on my alt that was doomed by her scum meta, and i was in fact scum. so meta should not be thoroughly discounted like this
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #363) » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:16 am

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In post 1365, profii wrote:
In post 1364, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1354, profii wrote:Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson
if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks
Sure there is a unlikely possibility that
-you are JK
-you hit the scum kill person or scum target

It’s more likely that scum go “profii vs Stun is lol let’s just kill an inactive”
lol @ me being unlikely to be the jk. looks like you are seriously invested in figuring out who that jk is. scummy
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #364) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:51 am

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we’re lynching scum today. scum is clearly profii here. i cased this yesterday, and felt a few players dismissed my case against him by not engaging with any of it and lynching aronis, and idk why.

we’re not quicklynching for the sake of lack of information, and i will expand on the case in a nutshell later, but VOTE: Profii




@shoshin: we need to talk about how you handled EoD. there was no sense in voting aronis just to have him claim at all. none. that would have benefited scum more than town.

good news @maria: i have my own thread to compose thoughts, so i should be posting less. hopefully that will result in people trusting my reads and cases more, as i only let the most valuable thoughts be known.
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #365) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:27 am

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In post 1380, Kokichi Oma wrote:JK should claim if they jailed someone imo
is it worth it without a cop guilty? maybe a slight indication is ok—but idk if it is worth it. it’d be optimal if they could survive one more night

we’d have 2 innos, and 1 being on a townier player we probably already agreed on if jk chose that route
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #366) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:37 am

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In post 1393, Creature wrote:stungun v profii is a shitty TvT
please explain what makes profii town
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Post Post #1434 (isolation #367) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:18 pm

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NSG IS NOT SCUM

profii is

i’m about to make a hella convincing case. but you guys need to back off nsg. profii is BLATANT SCUM in my point of view. LIKE 100 PERCENT. I HAVE HIM CAUGHT, I JUST NEED TO SHOW YOU GUYS.
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #368) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:21 pm

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NSG WAS MY BIGGEST TOWN READ ALONG WITH SHOSHIN. back off, or you run the risk of me finding you to be scum. I WAS RIGHT ABOUT ARONIS, AND HE WAS MY THIRD BIGGEST TOWNREAD, after nsg and shoshin.

nsg IS town
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Post Post #1437 (isolation #369) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:22 pm

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problem is she is already L-2.

she needs to come into this thread, no lie, but profii is scum. nsg is not
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #370) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:27 pm

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thank you! it’s my birthday, so don’t lynch my initial townread today guys, thanks! :)

i will review nsg at some point to make sure my read there remains consistent, but her iso seemed so towny to me first look through.
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Post Post #1442 (isolation #371) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:31 pm

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In post 1428, MariaR wrote:RC has a 100% read rate on Nsg so if you tr me you shouldn't be voting her he's never got a read on her incorrect.
Pedit: Yes he thinks scum is Creature/you
i also happen to have a 100% read rate on nsg to date. she is not scum here

i was speccing overnight scum teams were either maria and profii, or creature and profii, but creature and profii looks like the case to me as well know. they were also incidentally the first 2 players to draw attention TO aronis by doubtcasting him WITHOUT even voting him. it’s like they knew he was
mislynch bait


case coming in next post. i got a sugar rush from cake, so don’t blame me if i hyperpost! :)
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #372) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:51 pm

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In post 536, profii wrote:
In post 530, GirlInFreezer wrote:Aronis is not concretely fitting into either a scum or a town mold for me

Profii I still feel like is town but I could agree to have him jailkept on an aronis scumflip to deal with that
Works for me
omfg, did you know aronis was flipping town here? you are completely fine with being the jailkeep target if aronis flips scum. just came across this. wtf is this if you are town? being jailkept upon an aronis scumflip. and you vote him out as though you think he is scum.
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #373) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:44 pm

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OK, here's why we're lynching profii--why he is scum. read this nutshell thoroughly, you won't regret it. i will focus primarily on things about aronis, even though there would be a handful more of scummy things in profii's iso that would be clearly scummy if you knew MY alignment for certain.



- profii was the first to throw out comments about scum teams--which can clearly be interpreted as a distraction attraction. he says he would lol if stungun and aronis are the scum team.


In post 165, profii wrote:
In post 158, Aronis wrote:
In post 106, Shoshin wrote:Hey Aronis, any reads?
okay! I'm going to give you reads:

I think lurking is all Nico ever does so we're just gonna wait for the inevitable replacement- In the meantime I'm not interested in lynching them since the replacement should give us better content to go on
Girl- she's a good player so since she hasn't been super obvtown already she's probably scum
profii - you don't get more obvious scum than this, save for maybe a cop guilty
Kokichi- I feel like he's probably town. I like his posts
northsidegal- town for sure
stungun- tough read but he can go into the town category for now
creature- probably town. I liked one of his posts
why did you start a readlist with “this player will just replace out” - that just comes over as filler
In post 157, Shoshin wrote:Look at how I played D1 in the other game. I actually got scumread at some point for being too passive...
Why are you changing it up
this entire exchange is scummy. he asks a filler type of question in "why are you changing up your meta?" --> why does he possibly care if he later says TO ME meta is stupid in ? YET he's attacking Aronis's readslist as having filler in it.


----------------------

from Profii: includes the line about aronis and shoshin --> "But on the other hand, GIF said that’s a thing for Shoshin so my other theory is that Aronis is piggybacking on the Shoshin content - the read list was pretty dire - putting a non active as the main content is a cop out and also reading me as sure fire scum would be fine if I’d done something scummy, but I feel like Aronis is carefully manufacturing that read in line with Shoshin to try and create a bit of momentum perhaps"
He is doubtcasting aronis, but he refuses to vote Aronis until he can put him at L-2 later on. In the meantime, he lingered on my wagon, which went to L-2 as well early on.
In post 184, profii wrote:
In post 171, Shoshin wrote:
In post 165, profii wrote:Why are you changing it up
To improve. How is this relevant to my alignment?
If passive!you is town and gets scum read

Then you have said (and also not disputed) you’ve changed - a potential reason could be to avoid scum reads
More filler from Profii. so why did he attack aronis about filler?

In post 188, profii wrote:
Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention
he knows aronis is town? this completely implies that. plus, how would he know this unless he is scum?

In post 248, profii wrote: Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell
another post doubtcasting aronis. STILL no vote there.


from : from profii,
I actually like that page topping post from Shoshin there - It’s easy for scum to just throw out whatever narrative they want to try and get people to believe but you’ve gone meta diving to go and find the “right” narrative irrespective of what you find

Have the biggest town badge so far
so shoshin meta'ing you and thinking you are possibly scummy over it is NOT stupid, but according to after i provide meta about myself, you discount it completely as "meta being stupid." this reads to me like you were trying to defuse shoshin.
In post 284, profii wrote:VOTE: aronis
L-2
first vote of aronis, right after giving an analysis that heavily favored majority of players being scum.

from aronis argues: "wow you can tell profii just got caught
gotta go back and modify that readslist real quick before anyone else realizes she/he is scum"

Profii's response in 286?
In post 286, profii wrote:How is that readlist modified at all
another filler question! trying to distract aronis from him being caught? i think so!
In post 361, profii wrote:NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.
i dissected this post in the night phase. this is scummy because a). SCUM only need 3 mislynches provided all but 1 nk goes through and they survive (in other words, all goes according to plan), so this is a stance scum can afford to take. and also he knows nsg is town this early on in the game? but has went back on that stance today by voting her, and called everything from her NAI last day phase when he was a lynchwagon iirc.



profii follows nsg onto kokichi wagon in : favoring wagons once again.

In post 868, profii wrote:
In post 858, stungun0404 wrote:@profii, where do you stand on a kokichi lynch? seems more plausible than gif today, as nsg and i are already on it.
Don’t really see it


In your Aronis case you mention Aronis goes against the grain and scum reads GIF - if you look back at GIF there is also a scum read on Aronis - both early in the game

However. Me and you scum read gif and it’s salty salty - but no salt between those 2 - I think, distancing position for later

See it?
completely tries to distract me into voting aronis because of supposed distancing attempts with NO flips. what is town about this?

In post 693, profii wrote:
In post 684, Aronis wrote:The last few pages have me a bit confused tbh
Do you think Stun vs GIF will be TvT or SvT or even SvS

If TVS, which is which
he asks these questions of aronis, but has answered nothing of the sort himself. filler filler.
In post 696, profii wrote:I did a meta dive on Stun and the only thing that struck out to me was that he has never previously been _this_ concerned about who was voting him

But then he self voted
OH, so you are allowed to meta me to discredit me WITHOUT it being stupid, but apparently my meta'ing as of your when you were voting me iirc, once again "WAS STUPID". YOU use it to discredit me, BUT I cannot use it to help CLEAR MYSELF. scum would pounce on that shit all day, just like that!


In post 1365, profii wrote:
In post 1364, stungun0404 wrote:
In post 1354, profii wrote:Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson
if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks
Sure there is a unlikely possibility that
-you are JK
-you hit the scum kill person or scum target


It’s more likely that scum go “profii vs Stun is lol let’s just kill an inactive”
FINALLY, there is zero town incentive to ever letting scum know you think it is unlikely i am JK if you are town on D1. this is a pro-scum post if you are town, and is absolutely worth lynching, because i would never say something like this about a fellow townplayer who may or might not be the only power role in the game. AND YET, you attacked GIF for CLAIMING vanilla without proper reason in after YOU vote GIF for claiming vanilla because it's "anti-town to reveal." your speculation could be revealing to scum here if you genuinely believe it and are town and i happen not to be the jk, so what is town about this contradiction?
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #374) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:11 pm

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i completely reset all reads in my head last night phase before rereading the thread specifically for instances where aronis was doubtcasted, and through 25 pages or so clearly profii was the scummiest in that regard. this is not no coincidence. he wanted that mislynch wagon
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Post Post #1452 (isolation #375) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:30 pm

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In post 781, NicoRobin wrote:I have him as town, so not at this point in time.
@nico, can you take another look at profii knowing Aronis was town now? he’s blatant scum from that perspective if you read his iso IMO.





if profii is actually town this game, then i’ll be brutally honest and say he has been playing a bad game fmpov. i can’t see him being this incompetent at finding town when he has a really good track record as far as wins go for either alignment, and further this incompetent in making contradictions left and right that are uber-scummy. someone might as well hold up a neon sign and say:”this is not how to town”. which can only lead me to interpret him as scum.

there is nothing towny about his iso in my eyes. nothing.

In post 773, profii wrote:
In post 770, GirlInFreezer wrote:VOTE: profii

Sheeping Shoshin with the caveat that I think there's more chance of her misreading a player who plays like aronis than one who plays like profii and if they're both scum then who cares.
Lol there it is


Your initial vote was Aronis sure, get the distance in early whilst town doesn’t know what’s going on - but later on, I keep seeing “scum could be x, y or Aronis” but no more said on Aronis


Wonder why that might be :]

pushing that angle of distancing to help doubtcast the player he wants lynched—which would be either of aronis or gif really.
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #376) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:43 pm

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In post 732, profii wrote:I’ve only played one game with creature & I was scum so I didn’t try to read him

Everyone is always just like omg he replaces out as scum

So I’m just paranoiad for now because he kinda feels towny like Stefan felt towny in that newbie game that we played (GIF) and I got that wrong

So Im looking elsewhere for now
In post 767, profii wrote:Can we flip Aronis

He’s got 3 votes then disappeared

He’s pressured scum and has no idea how to deal with it

Then JK GIF -
I’m 99% sure Aronis will flip scum
, so if we can “cop” GIF and then trust him going forward, he becomes a lot more useful
where did this sudden assurance come from?
In post 954, profii wrote:Like given the wagon I kinda wanna lynch Stun if it was me. He seems to be getting some firm town reads but I’d question that - as time goes on it seems to be a more and more concerning slot
you had no firm town stances 954 posts in. i had two. which is scummier, my play or yours?


In post 1189, profii wrote:I’ll humour you stun - let’s say Aronis flips town and by some magic I was scum, who are you looking at for my partner?
merely look at the intent of literally every question profii has made. they have been distraction attempts. there is no protown focus to a single question i can remember off my memory he asked
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Post Post #1456 (isolation #377) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:51 pm

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vote profii if you want a scum lynch. i will stop tunneling aggressively now, but the entire case is scattered throughout my iso. several points i made last day phase regarding profii are still relevant today. tune me out if you wish, but town is just gonna probably get another mislynch going in his place if you do.
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Post Post #1497 (isolation #378) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:34 am

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In post 1463, northsidegal wrote:dear stungun: i have entirely stopped reading your posts.

also, creature; the irony of the way you're pushing me right now just occurred to me. don't you think it's a little funny?
really
?

this is exactly what i am sick of this game. getting ignored without cause.

literally makes me want to replace out of this game. i’m so fucking frustrated over this shit and have never had to deal with this to this level before

i could post anything and ppl would ignore it this game
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #379) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:39 am

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yeah. i’m done with this thread. don’t expect anything more from me this day phase
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #380) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:51 pm

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i got a little overdramatic this morning; my frustrations have since gone away :)

can someone please let me know
why
they might possibly townread profii? i haven’t seen a good case there yet, and i’d
never
stop tunneling him unless a convincing enough case can be made for town!profii. i’m pretty convinced on scum!profii

nico has been a defender of profii—saying his tone seems sincere d1. i haven’t sensed that about his posts, so if you can expand there, that would be lovely. :D

i’ll stop using caps lock, i promise. it’s not me genuinely screaming, it was just emphasis, that is all. i see it works badly in that regard :neutral:
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #381) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:29 pm

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shoshin is a heavy townread for gemini and i!

nsg is a heavy townlean for me, but a weak townlean for gemini.

mariar is looking more and more like she’s likely town too.

i like kokichi’s PoE pool, but i’m not sure it makes him town. he’s null, with maybe a slight lean towards town (read nulltown) rn? not sure who he’s scumreading - would feel comfier if i did. plus, he said gamma was sr’ing profii, so idk why koki has not voted there yet

if i’m JK, i used it to protect one of those 4 above last night ;)

everyone not in my main townpool has a decent chance of being scum. scum PoE right now for me would therefore be: kokichi, nicorobin, creature and profii. priority pool is: profii, creature, nicorobin.

if i had to guess i think scum team is profii and nico, though i entered this day phase thinking profii and creature. outside chance of profii and koki fmpov. but one of these three lynch pairings i think probably solves the game.
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Post Post #1511 (isolation #382) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:36 pm

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@kokichi, given your friend gamma scumreads profii, and all your unlynchable candidates (shoshin, maria and i) would advocate a lynchwagon there, will you vote there? y/n?

i think regardless of his alignment, his flip is absolutely crucial to us correctly solving the game. he is always going to be a distraction for us, otherwise. so even if he is town, there is benefit to his lynchwagon being finalized since he claimed vanilla anyways.

that would pretty much make me think scum team is nicorobin and creature, upon a profii townflip. kokichi seems innocent enough to discount. nico and creature kinda makes sense actually though, hmm.
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Post Post #1512 (isolation #383) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:41 pm

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In post 1467, NicoRobin wrote:@stungun Considering what Creature said,
I believe he is a JK with a guilty on nsg, so I am going there for now.
this post is probably the most antitown thing i have seen in the thread. yuck. i might be convinced to move to your wagon over profii just because of this post

it is absolutely horrifically antitown to out what is potentially your only power role if you think you have a clue as town as to who it is. it goes directly against wincon, so if you’re town you should absolutely think twice before making posts like this.

i’m kinda curious why profii did not call nicorobin out here, given i found a newbie town game for profii where he directly advised against power roles being outed.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #384) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:48 pm

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you know what maria, let’s do it!

VOTE: NicoRobin
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Post Post #1518 (isolation #385) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:49 pm

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In post 1513, Kokichi Oma wrote:To be fair, everyone was thinking it, she just said it. I don't think it was that scummy
my thought pattern never thought of that though, so call me the exception to the riddle :p

we were supposed to doc as it was optimal and really means jk would not effectively be a cop, so if i was jk i used it that way last night
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #386) » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:55 pm

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sure - what are your present thoughts on creature? and what are rc’s?

he was right about creature in lynchpin, so if i believe you to be town then he may have a decent read on creature by now
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Post Post #1534 (isolation #387) » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:01 am

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In post 361, profii wrote:
NSG is town


At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }


Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.
@profii, do you still believe these hard stances to be credible?

if not, what has changed regarding your stance on nsg from then to now? and since your near-lynch post yesterday stating you’d expect nsg to flip town? to now your current vote there? fmpov, it looks bandwagon-y.

and do you still believe one scum is in that trio? if not, then what made you change your perception there?





@nsg, i am concerned that it does not seem like your content is focused on townhunting. do you have a lack of townreads at present? have you and your friemd(s) discussed any townreads (i.e., mutantdevle or northsidestory before he was replaced)?

you have only taken the stance that kokichi is scum fmpov, but i’d like to see more than that. plus, you are not voting kokichi rn. ;)

i don’t think you are scum, however. but definitely might be prone to eventually putting you back in the pool if you can’t respond to this prompt well.
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #388) » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:10 pm

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In post 1535, profii wrote:Can you explain how it is bandwagon-y when I was the first one to go “oh look potential JK breadcrumb from Creature there”
you deflect a question back at my series of questions to you, but with no answers to any of my questions. yeah that’s a mutual exchange that will work 100% of the time towards getting what we both want :lol:
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Post Post #1547 (isolation #389) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:29 am

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VOTE: Profii because there is no logically backed reasoning that’s been addressed for anyone townreading him here, and that is usually a good sign a player is scum.

@profii, your dog (if that is your dog) is unbelievably cute, but that won’t save you from a lynchwagon :P

nico and profii are both scummy, shoshin. i’d honestly prefer a profii lynch though because he’s been more consistently scummy overall, and plus if he just so happens to flip town we have a lot more info to work with. i personally did not have much to work with regarding the aronis townflip because i expected it to happen, but i read back nonetheless and found profii still to be the scummiest player. even after resetting my reads and starting from scratch
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Post Post #1548 (isolation #390) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:37 am

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In post 1541, Shoshin wrote:Why isn't profii lynched yet?
good question. idk why people are truly staying off his wagon. you need only 5 votes to lynch. putting him at L-2 would do no harm

but people had put nsg at L-2 fairly quickly this day phase.

the difference? scum has stayed off profii’s lynchwagon. they have not stayed off nsg’s lynch. i am positive there was scum pushing that nsg lynch between creature, nr, and profii. i don’t think it’s creature. likely profii.
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #391) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:40 am

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@profii: please answer this question at least from above and i’ll engage with yours: do you still believe one scum is in that trio? if not, then what made you change your perception there?
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #392) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:56 am

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I just had an epiphany. I’m actually starting to feel like Profii is almost too obvious of a choice to be scum to actually be scum in a game with friemds that could easily help the actual scum with looking like town if they wanted. And flavor leaf, his friemd, is supposedly really good at scum. So, let me work under the assumption profii is town real quick and see where that leads to me.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #393) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:56 am

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hmm, UNVOTE: Profii for the time being
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #394) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:21 am

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why is creature town?

engagement says nothing. a lot of the posts in his iso were pretty vacuous and serve just to inflate his post count, at least on D1.

is one of those posts it would make sense for scum to actually make. it’s a lot of wifom in the sense it could lead to an nsg lynch after him (if not partners), or possibly spare her (if partners). it just serves to confuse everyone.

he’s also getting a ton of townreads which is curious in the sense that he’s getting too many. it does not seem natural to have as many townreads as creature currently has.

because he says profii vs. stungun is a shitty t vs. t, he said kokichi is likely town earlier then votes her, he said nico feels like town this day phase. where is he getting townreads on these players from?

he is not pushing shoshin today, but rather just sheeped my townread of her yesterday.

and i think classic creature scum meta is to dish out a bunch of townreads without much true scumhunting/scumreads. playing the safe game.
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #395) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:22 am

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VOTE: Creature
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #396) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:28 am

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In post 1337, profii wrote:
I’m almost going to self vote to ensure we get a lynch, prove you wrong so a) this 1v1 ceases and b) people become highly suspect of you day 2


If it was a bigger game I would but worst case scenario is 2 mislynches and we lose
this was either frustrated town, or a really adroit scum tactic that made me decide i was going to hammer profii yesterday. i’m honestly not sure which, as he doesn’t hard commit in saying “almost”

but i feel like scum would not offer themselves up like that with a jk functioning as a cop with only one scum.

it would be like committing suicide for his faction

if this is scum, this was brilliant
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #397) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:28 am

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*hammer aronis
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #398) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:32 pm

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In post 1566, northsidegal wrote:shoshin could be scum as well.
not likely at all, at least in this game! :P

thoughts on profii, creature, or nr being town or scum?
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #399) » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:38 pm

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actually, sth in her iso bothers me.

who even is town here?
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