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Post Post #3803 (isolation #400) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:15 pm

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In post 3524, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 3521, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gustavo

Clearly I’m getting lynched today so let’s stop wasting time.
If you’re town, unvote bro.
In post 3778, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gus

Hammer time?
Are you scum?
I don't have time for AtE - if you're town and we misslynch you today we lose this game. Unvote and keep trying to solve the game.
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Post Post #3807 (isolation #401) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:20 pm

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In post 3804, Gustavo wrote:I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.
That's not "solved the game"
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Post Post #3811 (isolation #402) » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:34 pm

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In post 3809, Gustavo wrote:
In post 3807, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 3804, Gustavo wrote:I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.
That's not "solved the game"
My POV it is
Would you prefer your lynch over Errant’s?
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Post Post #3814 (isolation #403) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:40 am

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In post 3813, Gustavo wrote:@keyser. Assume I’m lynched today. How do you decide between bv and errant?
Scrutinise who limped into D5 making your misslynch their priority.
Skitter’s not cleared either though.
There’s arguments for both alignments for the remaining players (but unfortunately for you most of the reasons to keep you alive are playstyle/WIFOM reasons). As pointed out by Irrelephant11 my defence of you is pretty weak.
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Post Post #3821 (isolation #404) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:28 am

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How about a no lynch? :lol:

Yeah will post some final thoughts.
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Post Post #3829 (isolation #405) » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:54 am

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Yeah, I need the help Irrelephant11 - I’d appreciate it if you help clear my head x
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Post Post #3859 (isolation #406) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:54 am

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In post 3839, Irrelephant11 wrote:That's actually more OTT than I mean to be. I'm stuck now between EP and Gustavo. A lot of the quotes I've been pulling together from Gustavo include his reads always, consistently, being 100% wrong. On the other hand, EP apparently was scumreading the worst, and yet says he used his one-shot delayed neighborizer on him, which I know we touched on but in retrospect seems less believable than before. Gosh these ISOs are tricky things, and I am aware that I am paranoid.

Keyser this is why I wanted to talkkkk
Yes, Gustavo has been consistently wrong, and guilty of defending flipped scum (the WIFOM element of how I can’t believe scum-Gustavo goes through the whole game like this expecting to win). It’s weird how Gustavo knows me and you won’t be voting BV today but hasn’t jumped to pushing an Errant/Skitter angle. If it’s choice between BV vs Gustavo today, Gustavo is always getting sorted first. So survival wise, Gustavo hasn’t made much sense, but that’s no reason to t/read him.


RE: Errant, he pushed an idea of TW and mom not being scum partners, but ended D1 not t/reading him... but then still neighbourized him... I still don’t understand that decision. I would have neighbourized one of my strongest town reads. EP’s contributions today have been minimal OR focused on getting Gustavo lynched. If Gustavo flips town I’m gonna be looking at Errant tomorrow. I’m annoyed Gustavo hasn’t made today about Errant vs BV.
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Post Post #3865 (isolation #407) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:33 am

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Any last words Gustavo?
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Post Post #3867 (isolation #408) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:54 am

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@Errant please answer BV’s questions
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Post Post #3869 (isolation #409) » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:09 am

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All you guys are probably all right, sorry for dragging this out (Gustavo had/has me convinced)
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Post Post #3883 (isolation #410) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:31 am

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VOTE: Gustavo
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Post Post #3886 (isolation #411) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:32 am

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Gustavo was town.
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Post Post #3895 (isolation #412) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:26 am

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In post 3882, Errantparabola wrote:I scumread worst because he was doing scummy things on D2.
You weren't town reading TW by the end of D1... but still neighborized him.
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Post Post #3896 (isolation #413) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:28 am

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anyone is lynchable tomorrow (except for me and Irre)
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Post Post #3898 (isolation #414) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:31 am

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If I lose this game, that's it for MS from me.
Just gonna play IRL mafia

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Post Post #3900 (isolation #415) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:35 am

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Well BV said Errant = town here, so will be interesting to see him lynch Skitter ...
In post 3573, BlackVoid wrote:Posts relating to the neighborizing/guilty outing.

- I like the "maybe you'll find out" part. It seemed genuine - like something TheWorst would actually say in a neighborhood PT given his coy behavior in thread. And it's a tangential detail that I don't think Errant would make up?
- Can you actually point to evidence that you're friends? You only played a couple of games together.
- I think this is a townie response to Rask's accusation. I think mafia would refute it more seriously if Rask was actually on point as opposed to laughing about what an absurd theory it was.
- I think this is a towntell because scum would want to be more abrasive towards their partners in a distancing effort. I think this actually fits errant's non-confrontational personality more. His response here is consistent with how he continued apologizing to me after a misunderstanding.
- This is the strongest towntell that I referred to earlier. Rask gave both of them an out by asking Errant if he was claiming TheWorst's result for him. Errant immediately confirms that it's not and revotes TheWorst. The "panic" that he was referring to earlier also feels genuine. That it all happened in a minute is another reason.
- This is not a huge towntell since TheWorst was doomed anyways but he didn't need to dissuade Nauci and Rask from their theories about how I'd be a better lynch than TheWorst. He could have voted TheWorst for the cred and let them lead themselves wherever they will. I had liked this post when he made it too.
- I also kinda like this post. I think he'd want to score the more difficult lynch in me before I have a chance to convince everyone I'm town. NM will always be an easy lynch no matter what.

So, overall I feel pretty good. This rejuvenated my townread on errantp. I did have some misgivings about how stubborn Gustavo was being but it's a personality trait that he can replicate as scum and Stungun's associatives really, really fit with what I think he'd do as scum and his philosophy and obsession with distancing match his play here and make more sense than the worldview that he's town with the reads he had.

I'll give a quick look at Stungun's other scumgame to double check before I vote but I'm feeling much more comfortable a Gustavo lynch will end it.

But Errant will have to go for BV:
In post 3496, Errantparabola wrote:4. ConclusionISOing almost ended up leaving me with more uncertainty than before but ultimately my feelings aren't really changed. I'd think Gustavo is the last scum, BV is a big pile of unknowns but a lot of things just really clearly point to him being town in spite of everything, skitter is town or my worldview in general just breaks down.I got a lot less from scum associations than I thought I would which is a little disappointing.Anyway, that's all I got. I'll just sheep Irre/Keyser, keep talking to anyone who wants to and about anything, and wish yall the best of luck. This post is directed to Irre, who asked me to express more detailed thoughts on Gustavo and BV. You're welcome. don't say i didn't do anything for you LMAO
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Post Post #3902 (isolation #416) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:37 am

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Skitter would lynch BV over Errant...
In post 3698, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3689, BlackVoid wrote:I don't know if I can convince you to re-assess Errant when I myself am so unsure and there's a fair bit of evidence against Gustavo/Stungun. I think the best option is to flip Gustavo. If we're right, awesome. If we're wrong, then I at least know for sure that Errant is scum. I can buy that you townread Errant harder than me if he's actually town. But I don't think you'll lynch a town-me over a scum-Errant. If he's scum, there's definitely going to be something I can point out that'll explain why he's scum to get you to re-evaluate. @skitter.
on some sort of gut, fundemental level i'm townreading him. like i can't really make the game make sense right now if he's scum. idk i just don't see it. i don't want to lynch him today. like i agree that the reaction to the neighbhorhood thing is the towniest part of his iso but like ... i don't really scumread the rest of it; at best i consider it nai. like he hasn't done anything scummy and parts of his iso are like bleeding town in the context of scum!tw and the guilty and all that jazz

and gustavo's being super town right now; i don't know if the last scum gets that pissed and just votes themselves, twice now. or like keeps the vote on him.

amongst the three of you he was prob set up the best to coast after a tw scumflip and his trajectories on flipped scum are kinda gross but like i'm townreading him today.

and i think you're kinda out of your scumrange and you just feel super nuanced in a way that i think you probably have trouble faking, especially over a sustained period of time. that and the tw-guilty thing doesn't feel like something you were involved in planning - like we tend to approach the game kinda similarly and like that's never how i fake a guilty with my partner because my goal would be to coast after and it feels too messy for that.

at the same time i'm very aware that your path-to-victory if scum is basically through pocketing me so i can't just call you a townread and call it a day because like if you *are* scum here that's how you win

(and i don't even know if like appealing to me here is AI here because if you're town that's basically what you need to do too)

i guess i'm somewhere like gustavo > you > ep but i don't feel confident in it
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Post Post #3903 (isolation #417) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:39 am

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Should have got someone to replace N_M, that was a wasted lynch.
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Post Post #3907 (isolation #418) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:43 am

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I think a lot of players are stuck in their reads, so it'll be an interesting one for scum.
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Post Post #3910 (isolation #419) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:47 am

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In post 3908, skitter30 wrote:/le sigh

not looking forward to tomorrow then
Claim your win now skitter
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Post Post #3911 (isolation #420) » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:47 am

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In post 3909, Irrelephant11 wrote:anyone secretly a useful pr who held out longer than nauci?
that would be my favorite twist
In post 3886, Keyser Söze wrote:Gustavo was town.
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Post Post #3948 (isolation #421) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:52 am

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I’m here!

Let’s win this game.

(Was hoping to be NK’d) :giggle:
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Post Post #3949 (isolation #422) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:00 pm

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From D1:
In post 1316, Errantparabola wrote:No longer townreading worst.
I still don’t know why you neighbourized TheWorst... you may have explained before, but nothing has resonated with me yet.

Why not choose to share a town pt with one of your strong town reads?
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Post Post #3979 (isolation #423) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:55 pm

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In post 3971, Errantparabola wrote:UNVOTE:
Just making sure you're town :D
Scummy stunt who
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Skitter is town, and
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Skitter won't quickhammer.


You did a disappearing act when town misslynched Gamma. You made yourself
present
on the TW and mom lynches. You disappeared yesterday when town misslynched Gustavo... :shifty:


So what was your gameplan... don't get involved with the misslynches too hard... gain some towncred via the neighborizor claim... then survive til the end?
Tell me why I shouldn't believe in this narrative.




Answer this please...
In post 3949, Keyser Söze wrote:From D1:
In post 1316, Errantparabola wrote:No longer townreading worst.
I still don’t know why you neighbourized TheWorst... you may have explained before, but nothing has resonated with me yet.

Why not choose to share a town pt with one of your strong town reads?
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Post Post #3994 (isolation #424) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:45 am

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Post Post #3998 (isolation #425) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:30 am

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Regarding VCA, we shouldn't read too much into it as scum had daychat, so knew when to distance/create WIFOM/when to bus etc.
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Post Post #3999 (isolation #426) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:31 am

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In post 3996, skitter30 wrote:It's just so outlandish
So outlandish we should be voting me or you today... :shifty: :giggle:
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Post Post #4016 (isolation #427) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:34 pm

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In post 3974, Errantparabola wrote:yeah
VOTE: BV
Should I wait for your case on BV... or do you want to end the game here?
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Post Post #4020 (isolation #428) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:05 pm

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VOTE: Errantparabola
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Post Post #4026 (isolation #429) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:41 pm

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Congrats town!

Looks like I’ll be staying here a bit longer :)


Thanks Brass, a very engaging setup.
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Post Post #4039 (isolation #430) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:56 am

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It was a very good playerlist! [even the scum were fun (TheWorst)]

I would definitely play with you guys and girls again.
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