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[Lalendra]

oh dammit I missed RVS

VOTE: tchill serious vote

hi nauci

y

[Lalendra]

Prod received. I'm V/LA weekends (see my sig) so don't expect me to be active then. I catch up on Mondays when I'm back at a computer full-time. Anyway-

Irrelephant is a brilliant, tryhard player who plans and schemes and min maxes. I highly recommend giving our game together as scum a skim, as well as our pernicious little scheme thread. Essentially, he's capable of faking every bit of effort or "townslip" or whatever that is normally alignment indicative, so it's impossible to read him for any given post. He must be read for perspective/contributions/thought process/tone under pressure/etc., and asked to explain everything. Really a joy to play with!

In post 79, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 67, TWAIN wrote:
>>64
>well if you were scumreading me for not giving a reason, and then I give a reason, are you still scumreading me? If not, then yes, you should move your vote
The matter of the fact remains you didn't give an answer initially. Yeah it's a flimsy reason, but it's more of a reason than the sea of nothing I have. I find Tchill ignoring you regarding that statement a non-issue. I can understand people saying things just for the sake of it early on.

On an unrelated note, is there a way to actually quote inside the quick reply box? I use the above format because I hate changing pages.

My point isn't about the strength of your reason to vote me originally. I'm saying that if you're no longer scumreading me, you should stop voting me.
Separately, scumreading someone for not providing a reason is bad play. I'm townreading you for it because I don't think scum makes that kind of bad play, but my lack of reason is just as likely to be for reactions, to generate discussion, etc. (all of which it was and is - notice how much AI content has come from it) as it is to be hiding how I'm going for a mislynch. The latter is actually much less likely, imo, because scum usually feel some pressure to provide reasoning to look towny.


In the same post explaining that you like to vote people for pressure, you ask someone why they would continue voting someone they may not necessarily be scum reading (on page 3)? Scum POV nervousness about being caught!

VOTE: Irrelephant11 Serious.

Can you elaborate on your thought process here? You say that he can't be read for one post, and must be read for all these other things, but then you vote him based on one post.

[Lalendra]

VOTE: Nauci

I don’t like how in the same post they give a description of irrelephant as an excellent scum player who can’t be caught by a single post only to then claim to have caught them by a single post. You gave no reference to their Town game and to me it reads like you trying to say “hey this guy’s dangerous as scum and you won’t be able to catch him, but don’t worry because I know exactly how they work and have already caught them for you!”

townleaning alchemist

for the record Nauci has done this to me as tvt before

But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?

Also nauci am I really your scummiest read in this gamestate?

I'm liking alchemist for this post. Not sure how I feel about Irrelephant saying "nauci has done this to me as TVT before" - it almost seems like setting us up to believe that scum theatre is actually just TVT tunneling.

[Lalendra]

oh dammit I missed RVS

VOTE: tchill serious vote

hi nauci

y

Is Lalendra afk on weekends?

Yep

[Lalendra]

Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:

-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words

So that's disappointing.

So you're just scumreading anyone who doesn't post enough? Hm.

[Lalendra]

Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:

-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words

So that's disappointing.

So you're just scumreading anyone who doesn't post enough? Hm.

Wat

That's not what that post said

I went to see if it was normal for the 3 quiet players to be quiet since there wasn't any other info to sort by yet

In the post before that, the "3 quiet players" - NSG, Kop and me - are your scumreads.

[Lalendra]

Slight Scum Lean:

NSG
Lalendra
Kop

[Lalendra]

"Slight scum lean" was the bottom tier on your list.

[Lalendra]

so far everything she's said has either been copied from someone else's previous post or misreppy

Explain how engaging people on their content and asking questions is copying or "misreppy." Are you saying I misrepped Nauci by pointing out that her scumreads are based on nothing but activity level? Because she literally said as much, and now you're helping her backpedal. Feeling more confident that one or both of you is scum, between your awkward interactions and you calling me scum because I'm pushing her.

[Lalendra]

I don't necessarily want slack, but I have come to terms with the fact that there is something about my play which causes me to be widely scumread as town. It is what it is.

[Lalendra]

>>241 (Irr)
>I guess isn't a copy or a misrep per se, but "Nauci wants us all to vote Irrelephant, Irrelephant wants us all to stop voting Nauci, therefore they are scumteam" doesn't make sense imo
She only lists it as a possibility, she doesn't look like she believes it. Unless I'm wrong. Am I wrong, Lalendra?

Correct, I was listing it as a possibility, not an ironclad interpretation. More of a "hmm, this will be interesting to look back on later with more info."

[Lalendra]

I refuse to lunch Twain today because that Lalendra meme was too good ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Yeah honestly I wanted to be mad but I couldn't

[Lalendra]

Nauci + Irrelephant scum you heard it here first guys.

I mean I actually said it first but w.e

[Lalendra]

VOTE COUNT 1.5

Mumble (4) - Tchill13, northsidegal, Nauci, Irrelephant11
Nauci (4) - Kop, Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee

That was a fairly quick CW to the Nauci wagon. Interesting.

Irrelephant, you're on the wrong leading wagon.

That's actually a really good point. And both nauci and irrelephant are on that counterwagon...but the crusade was led by tchill. I don't really have any reason to suspect tchill, though it would be hilarious if the scumteam was tch/nauci/irr.
VOTE: nauci

[Lalendra]

Got my prod and I have to say, I expected to come back to more than two pages. It's been a busy week, sorry I haven't been more active, but I'm here and will answer any questions people have for me. For now I'm still happy with my vote.

[Lalendra]

What if Tchill’s just scum and all of Mumble, Nauci, and Kop are Town?

VOTE: Tchill

What if tchills just town and all three of those are scum?

I have as much basis for my statement as you do. None.

Scumslip? If you knew your role PM was green you'd have at least SOME basis for that statement. Also really not feeling that progression on Kop, or the hard press on the lurkers.

VOTE: Tchill