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I mean only in the sense that it's not random. It's not really a good vote, but I also don't see much scum motivation for it. Seems like you found something that wasn't random and pushed on it, like I did. I think it's towny to try to get something solid early on. Then again, you're... still voting me? Does my answer to Lalendra's question seem false or scummy to you?
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My point isn't about the strength of your reason to vote me originally. I'm saying that if you're no longer scumreading me, you should stop voting me.In post 67, TWAIN wrote:>>64
>well if you were scumreading me for not giving a reason, and then I give a reason, are you still scumreading me? If not, then yes, you should move your vote
The matter of the fact remains you didn't give an answer initially. Yeah it's a flimsy reason, but it's more of a reason than the sea of nothing I have. I find Tchill ignoring you regarding that statement a non-issue. I can understand people saying things just for the sake of it early on.
On an unrelated note, is there a way to actually quote inside the quick reply box? I use the above format because I hate changing pages.
Separately, scumreading someone for not providing a reason is bad play. I'm townreading you for it because I don't think scum makes that kind of bad play, but my lack of reason is just as likely to be for reactions, to generate discussion, etc. (all of which it was and is - notice how much AI content has come from it) as it is to be hiding how I'm going for a mislynch. The latter is actually much less likely, imo, because scum usually feel some pressure to provide reasoning to look towny.
agreedIn post 70, ejjinami wrote:Lol
the reasons for wagoning twain are almost as awful as twain’s reason for their vote.
See above. Townish.In post 74, ejjinami wrote:@Irrelephant what do you think of Twain?
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what have you learned?In post 77, Tchill13 wrote:I don't have a read on irrelephant, I was just trying to get a sense of his play style.-
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for the record Nauci has done this to me as tvt before
But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?
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Are you suggesting on Twaiin's behalf that her (wait, his? Twaiin are you a he I'm sorry yes you are, your avi got me) his vote is secretly to generate discussion etc?
Also announcing it's a pressure vote has not stopped my vote from generating most of this game's sortable content, imo, so in this particular case I don't see an issue. Meanwhile, I do still want tchill to answer my original question, and can't decide how I feel about his alignment, so my vote is getting more serious over time-
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Mm I'd say most of what there is to read on myself, twaiin, you, alchemist, and tchill are directly or indirectly related to my vote. Only like two other players are sortable atm. I'm not trying to put responsibility on my shoulders if that's what you mean. Either way this isn't that important to note imo it's just in response your question
I'm not trying to dismiss Twaiin's vote? Like are you trying to genuinely read me or just sort me as guilty until proven innocent? I'm saying that if Twaiin's vote is to lynch, it doesn't make much sense at this point. Twaiin has given no indication it's anything but a vote to lynch. If it's a fish for reactions, then great, it's got my reaction and should keep doing what it's doing and I'll gladly hear that explanation later. If not, I think it's a bad vote and he should do something else with his vote-
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I was going to apologize for lack of activity when I came back to this game but yikes where is everyone
Mm I have no strong scumreads. Feeling unsure about tchill at the moment. I have been learning lately that yes I'm better at townreads than scumreads D1, so that's my focus for nowIn post 158, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mod, BBT voted Nauci a while back
@Irrelephant,Do you have any scumreads other than NSG? Is your style more of a Townhunting style?
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Why do you want to lynch lynchbait??In post 168, Tchill13 wrote:
We could lynch lalendra instead of mumbleIn post 164, Nauci wrote:Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:
-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words
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Pretty sure this is about the question I asked tchill D1?In post 153, ejjinami wrote:and what "question" is evedyone asking about rn?-
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Re: that question
tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town. I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town. I would love to have answer to both of those.
Honestly I think my vote is still best on nsg, given her known tendency to lurk as scum. her only post was a prodge. kop you should join me, make it a wagon-
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lol I would be scumread for that
I bring it up to avoid mislynching nauci. A lot of people are scumreading her for what's basically her boilerplate "Irrelephant and I are playing together, let me warn everyone" post that I sooooo looooove
I think it's NAI at worst. I agree her scumread of me is independently weak, though. It's possible she's just trying to replicate her paranoia of me. I don't think I'll have a definitive answer there till like D2 though
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I don't have any thoughts on Lalendra's alignment or lynchbait-status yet, except that maybe her questions are okIn post 183, northsidegal wrote:i mean, i guess. nauci saying that lalendra is lynchbait doesn't mean she has to be town here or anything...
being lynchbait also doesn't mean you can't be scum. it just struck me as a weird reaction reading through - to be paranoid for a second, kind of like you're talking like you already know that lalendra is town and as such lynchbait and not scum. i would think that town would respond differently to what tchill said there.
But tchill literally said "oh you think lalendra is lynchbait? Let's lynch her then". His quote meant I thought *he* thought of her as lynchbait, and somehow therefore wanted her dead-
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all but the lastIn post 188, Nauci wrote:
I'm confused by this postIn post 171, Irrelephant11 wrote:Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?
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In post 147, Mumble wrote:Rei is a town read.In post 161, Mumble wrote:
Uhhh...Nauci. Who I am voting and whose post I quoted...In post 160, DrDolittle wrote:
Votes on Nauci or NSG? If so why is your vote not on there yet?In post 145, Mumble wrote:So...
Can we get some votes on this?
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Townreading Alchemist, but noting for myself that he has defended me twice and might be pocketing me. Occam's razor says he's just town, though.
I'm not yet scumreading DrDo like others are, though I'm also not townreading him
The small amount of townlean I had on Twain is fading quickly. I find that last reads list the most hard to believe - you seem to be actually scumreading other people's play but because I had some typos/website issues, I deserve your vote?
ejjinami can be town, but noting for myself that this read is at least 3/4 the number of words he's written about sorting other players' alignments, and it's harder to parse if those words actually add up to something coherent this early
Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble
tchill's play has mostly confused me
townreading Rei for 141
Scumleaning Lalendra. I'll meta her later to see WHY she's lynchbait (I thought it was maybe just activity, from what someone said?), but so far everything she's said has either been copied from someone else's previous post or misreppy
Kop has basically just whiteknighted Lalendra so far - scumreading for now
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Your posts:
176 is a copy of alchemist's 83 - he's being widely townread, so it makes sense to copy him as scum
178 I guess isn't a copy or a misrep per se, but "Nauci wants us all to vote Irrelephant, Irrelephant wants us all to stop voting Nauci, therefore they are scumteam" doesn't make sense imo
198, 237, and 238, you're misunderstanding what nauci said. She had you three at the bottom of her readslist, so then she went to see if those reads were valid or if you three were lynchbait,and decided the latter. Her 164 is her way of undercutting her own scumreads by saying "Now that I look into it more, these slots aren't that scummy". So to look at that and say "you're just scumreading anyone who doesn't post enough?" is a misrep
I'm not ready to say definitively that you're scum, here, though. Like I said, I haven't looked into what makes you lynchbait-y in other games. Your signature suggests I should give you a little more slack, so I will.-
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About your gender? My answer is [redacted]. Generally I try to get genders right because I think that's nice, so I wanted to show that I learned my mistake and wouldn't make it again. It was just me being polite. I consider using the wrong gender in the first place a typo.In post 244, TWAIN wrote:I didn't even mention the typos? I was talking about the gratuitous remark you made about me? Why did you feel like throwing it in?-
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I never scumread Nauci
nsg has played fine since showing up
I agree that he listed some real scumreads, but that his scumread on me is the most flimsy, so his vote on me is a bad one imo. That leaves me wondering if he is actually trying to find the scummiest player and vote them or not. I thought his first few posts were more likely to come from town though, so I'm around null. I'm not sure I'd call that OMGUS?-
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I mean I didn't think that her misrepresentation of me is towny per se, but I also know that she's paranoid of me as town, and has done all the things I could potentially scumread her for here - when we were both town. That obviously doesn't *clear* her, but it doesn't make me suspicious in the same way it would if she were playing the same paranoid misreppy way around another player. Basically, I think the misrep was a misunderstanding in this case. Nauci doesn't need to go after me as the mislynch as scum, especially when it's gettingIn post 289, DrDolittle wrote:
?? cool i guess calling someone out for misrepping you is now a town read ??In post 84, Irrelephant11 wrote:But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?
real good to know thx.hermuch more negative attention.
lol @nauci I foresee this being the story of every early game we have together until foreverIn post 290, DrDolittle wrote:
Why don't you elaborate your thought mechanism behind this: Assume you are town. I am scum for because instead of trying to push your wagon forward I'm actively scumhunting?In post 260, Nauci wrote:
Thisfeels like a grasping for straws case when the wagon on me lost momentum...
Nauci + Irrelephant scum you heard it here first guys.
Would also explain that terribly awkward early interaction.
DDL we all wish it was us two, us two more than anyone. But I'm town, sorry!
Meh, maybe. Multiple large wagons is useful early D1, though. Why appeal to me on this? You think I'm the only townie on my wagon, or?In post 292, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:That was a fairly quick CW to the Nauci wagon. Interesting.
Irrelephant, you're on the wrong leading wagon.
This looks exactly like town Nauci so far - paranoid of me, anti-lurkers at first, trying to provide all her thoughts and reads when she can... We don't have many games between us atm, but I've seen her as both alignments, and nothing reminds me more of scum!nauci than town!nauci. It's possible she's putting on a performance as scum just for me, but I suspect she would want to change up her game, call it new meta, and not get so much heat for the way she plays the early game (this isn't the first time).In post 292, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Talk about both of these [nsg and nauci] town reads please?
NSG I was scumreading for not playing, then she came to play and said she'd been LA over the weekend, so that killed the scumread. I guess on re-read she's not as towny as I remembered, though. Somehow I thought she had more content than "what did you say? Oh, I get it. Well, vote: Mumble". I guess she's closer to null at this point? I also just wanted to vote Mumble there for refusing to explain his reads. He still hasn't-
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mmm that might be true. But that's also kinda an AtE-y reason to scumread her (though I get that the reason for your post is mostly for other people to stop lumping us together, not for me to scumread nauci necessarily). I still don't think I scumread her. I'll watch out for that potential blindspot, though.
I still want Mumble to share more reasoning.
In other news Rei keeps saying she's used to being scumread as town but idk why, she's super towny so far. Maybe I should think she's scum, then?
She's being super careful around other's reads of her in a pro-town way, like I think scum usually just accepts townreads and moves on whereas she is wary of being pocketed. Her analysis of tchill is pretty towny, too, even if I'm not ready to locktown tchill for locktowning her.-
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She's a townlean for me until further notice - I've explained this recently, so. Mostly this comment, though, was about how I didn't like that Kop just left his RVS vote after enough AI stuff had happened to be able to provide readsIn post 303, ejjinami wrote:
Why nauci in particular?In post 171, Irrelephant11 wrote:Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?
And does that mean you do have a read on her?
I choose C) I was getting legit confused and wanted an answer. It doesn't affect my read much, but since he was refusing to acknowledge his own motivation even as other players continued to bring it up, it was going from "oh that's just how he plays I guess" to "wow he's being really stubborn even after other players have started to push him on it, what does that mean?"In post 304, ejjinami wrote:
honestly? why would he not want to answer the question as scum?In post 177, Irrelephant11 wrote: tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town.I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town.I would love to have answer to both of those.
Does it even matter?
You're making it sound like it's sufficiently AI to change your read on him and I don't really like that tbh.
You're either making a big deal for exactly no reason, or were trying to pressure him in a really awful way.
Which one was that?
Also, there is potential scum motivation to ignore the question, at least at first. I've said this already, and feel like you're not really trying to find all the context of the conversation? which is frustrating but not that AI I guessIn post 66, Irrelephant11 wrote:I mean scum reason to ignore me would be to provide me with less information regarding your reasoning/associations. I guess it's fair that there could be town reasoning, now that you mention it. Why don't you want to answer the question?-
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Someone explain the Nauci wagon to me, because I really don't think she's the scummiest player so far in a game with Kop, Lalendra, twain, DDL, and lurky!NSG???In post 326, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Aww man, you had a 50/50 choice and chose the wrong one.
If you're gonna vote a low poster, it needs to be Kop. I'd much prefer you to join the Nauci wagon though.
Mumble even had a particularly bad progression of "Vote: Nauci" [no reasons given] --> Nauci posted --> "Look at this post! Vote her, she's scum" [no reasons given]
I'm not convinced this wagon has a better composition than the Mumble one did when it was criticized, either.-
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This seems to be your progression on Nauci
In post 145, Mumble wrote:So...
Can we get some votes on this?
Show me what part of this I'm misrepresenting you on?In post 266, Mumble wrote:You wouldn't push for my lynch as scum. You would tunnel me as town.
Nauci's 117 is bad. No reason for her to interject in a comment I made to you. But, even though she gave her support for your, she didn't act on it at all. Bad.-
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mm okay that's fair re:giving reasons, I misread the post numbers on your original "Nauci is a scumread" vs the post you quoted from nauci, & had them flipped. Not as problematic, though I still think people are scumreading Nauci for pretty weak reasons. But whatevs, I'll let her defend herself and see where that goes.
I'm not "feeling raw", though, like I'm only playing the way I am because you've offended me or something. I'll pass on the AtE, thanks. Ihavebeen scumreading you for not giving reasons, because even if you think I'm scum it's still pro-town to provide reasoning for your reads. It helps town correctly read you if you're town and it prevents scum from getting by without providing any in-depth reads. You can play however you want, but it just *is* pro-town to answer my requests for more info, unless you think some specific question of mine can only serve to trap you into a mislynch slot (which, "please explain your reads"... not that kind of question).
All that said, your frustration at my misreading you feels genuine, and it seems most of my scumread of you is a playstyle thing. I'll move to VOTE: Kop who is kinda being the definition of active lurker, and his posts don't add anything useful, as others have noted. Kop, got any reads?
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I feel like other players are scumreading her just for the sake of scumreading her, so I'm calling that as I see it. I also like just said I would stop defending her, because it's possible I'm wrong. But inb4 someone sees me answering your questions here and is like "oOoOoh look he'sIn post 338, ejjinami wrote:
I got a completely different vibe from her. I already said sth about that. I don’t see where you got the “giving her thoughts when she can”. Please, can you quote the stuff that made you feel that way?In post 294, Irrelephant11 wrote: This looks exactly like town Nauci so far - paranoid of me, anti-lurkers at first,trying to provide all her thoughts and reads when she can...
It feels like you’re defending her just for the sake of defending her tbh. And you didn’t really bother to think it through imo.
Not sure how scum indicative is it, but don’t do that ffs. It is not helping.stilldefending her, they're the team"
Spoiler: Quoting the stuff that made me feel this way
After doing this ISO though I agree her votes have mostly been pretty bad
I do get the feeling Nauci cares about the game somewhat, so idk where that feeling comes from for you. Though I'm agreed she could be playing better/isn't reading players deeply before providing reads. Unsure if it's AI, though like I said I don't like her votes. Hmmm yeah I could be wrong about her, she looks pretty bystander-y rn.In post 337, ejjinami wrote:It feels like nauci doesn’t really care about the game. Her read on ire was meta and she didn’t even bother to check Rei’s and drDoli’s ISOs before SRing them.
Rn I think it might be more of a meta thing, but I don’t really like it.
BBT went slightly up on the list, but it’s mostly because I saw his vote on cop in the latest posts.
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Hm okIn post 345, Kop wrote:You can go and review a lot of my other games that I've played on here and you'll see that I don't do reads often.
???????In post 345, Kop wrote:People will try to change there meta to become harder to read so I don't use it. I've often been lynched because I generally get a bit busy with real life in times so don't post much, and simply because my scum games I've been quiet, so they assume I'm scum because they meta read me and I've flipped town in those games that I've been misread in because of meta.????
I'm glad you acknowledge itIn post 345, Kop wrote:I'm aware that this makes it a bit hypocritical because of my defence on Lalendra
But this isn't a "but"??? Reputation = meta????? I thought??????????In post 345, Kop wrote:but I am going off reputation.
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Why does the existence of a CW make someone scum? Honestly I'm not really scumreading either of the early wagons. Why is it unlikely they're both town (or why is that not true in this case)? Seems easier and randomly more likely to wagon two town early D1 than any other combination of two wagonsIn post 360, Alchemist21 wrote:@ReiI haven’t seen anything from Nauci to reverse my read and the CW to her also that formed also makes me think she’s likely scum.-
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In post 352, Jackal711 wrote:VOTE COUNT 1.7
Nauci (4) - Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee, Lalendra
Mumble (2) - northsidegal, Irrelephant11
DrDolittle (2) - Rei, Nauci
Lalendra (1) - Tchill13
Kop (1) - ejjinami
Irrelephant11 (1) - DrDolittle
TWAIN (0) -
BlueBloodedToffee (0) -
Alchemist21 (0) -
ejjinami (0) -
northsidegal (0) -
Tchill13 (0) -
Rei (0) -
Not Voting: Kop, TWAIN
ACTIVITY NOTES:
Lalendra is noted to be permanently V/LA on weekends.
Rei has been prodded.
With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Day 1 deadline is Thursday, August 16th at 11:00 am PDT which is in(expired on 2018-08-16 11:00:00)@Mod I'm voting Kop rn
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On second thought I might be fine lynching Lalendra?In post 369, Tchill13 wrote:
Why don't you want to lynch lalendra?In post 366, Irrelephant11 wrote:Lalendra what are your townreads
Tchill why do you want to lynch Lalendra
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Well, yeah. You've been pushing on Mumble literally since RVS, and this is the only reason you've given for scumreading him
Oh. I guess I get itIn post 264, Tchill13 wrote:Mumble's iso shows no effort in solving or generating content. Only states reads.
I halfway expect him to fake claim at intent.
Yeah I mean I get not wanting to lynch lynchbait (as Nauci said Lalendra is)
I also get wanting to lynch active lurkers
*shrug* yeah Lalendra could maybe be the lynch
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I mean agreed his posts are weird
Honestly I'd say
applies to him too, so I'm curious why he gets a pass from youIn post 264, Tchill13 wrote:Mumble's iso shows no effort in solving or generating content. Only states reads.
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Lol soIn post 448, DrDolittle wrote:
Mumble see this does that change your mind?In post 385, DrDolittle wrote:
I highlight posts, where Irrelephant flips and flops on nauci - hints that shes scum, then calls her town, then soft defends her by saying that everyone is piling on her wagon for shit reasons, and then proceeds to say "ah yeah I can she why her votes are scummy"
this is flip flop flipity flop at the finest
If scum-nauci, this is irrelephant soft-defending partner, but having the option to bus.
If town-nauci, this is irrelephant setting up to potentially i told you so, but still be able to vote nauci if the situtation dictates so.
if <Nauci is a player in this game> then
<Vote Irrelephant>
Why is flip flopping scummy, again?
Why is Alchemist a scumread I don't remember seeing that from you and definitely disagreeIn post 449, Mumble wrote:
BBT isn't voting you, he's voting Kop. From his questioning on your reasons for the Kop vote, he opened the avenue to push you, and Alchemist and Kop hopped on for that. I want to lynch in {Nauci, nsg, Kop, Alchemist}. Narrowing that down, probably Kop or Alchemist atm. With 3 days left, I'm voting Kop.In post 447, Tchill13 wrote:Very interesting group of players we got here lol. BBT and Alchemist voting me. Irrelephant try harding. Then there's like 3 lurkers mixed in.
Mumble should we lynch a low content player or an early, almost too aggressive due to the lack of low content player?
No.In post 448, DrDolittle wrote:Mumble see this does that change your mind?
I want to scumread almost every player in this playerlist for playstyle. This is gonna be a struggle till I get used to this... I think tchill & Mumble have refused to answer my questions, nsg & nauci have misunderstood me, lalendra & Kop have refused to unlurk... And there's only three scum.-
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Doing some re-reading
I always struggle with OMGUS-ing as town, so please @all let me know if I'm wrong here, but this feels like DDLIn post 256, DrDolittle wrote:I liked TWAIN's 213 and 233. UNVOTE:
- Is this a first order OMGUS on twain??? So you agree that he's scumreading people's plays, but also that you don't believe the reads?In post 236, Irrelephant11 wrote: The small amount of townlean I had on Twain is fading quickly. I find that last reads list the most hard to believe - you seem to be actually scumreading other people's play but because I had some typos/website issues, I deserve your vote? [...]
Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble
- Town reads on NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)+ Nauci (a flip from an earlier scumread? for what? Nauci's post has been pretty consistent in nature, so any reads should also be consistent) and sounds like a casual excuse to go on a mumble's wagon wtf
VOTE: irrelephantwantingto see me as scum and intentionally misrepping/overreacting. Like I clearly didn't say "I agree Twain is scumreading people's plays, but I don't believe the reads". I said "I think a lot of Twain's reads make sense, but then to vote me for such a bad reason - I can't be sure this is coming from town".
I guess it's possible I come across as JUST. THAT. SCUMMY but this whole post just feels OTT - even if he fully believes what he's saying, does it necessitate such a strong reaction?
I also wonder if "NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)" is a partner slip, but this is mostly a note for later, not a reason to scumread either player.
@DDL what did you think was my reasoning here?In post 387, DrDolittle wrote:
???????????????????????????In post 377, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Yeah I mean I get not wanting to lynch lynchbait (as Nauci said Lalendra is)
I also get wanting to lynch active lurkers
*shrug* yeah Lalendra could maybe be the lynch
This is terrible reason for lynching anyone fyi.
What part of Alchemist & BBT having similar reads is "super fucking baffl"ing?In post 443, DrDolittle wrote:I'm honestly super fucking baffled at what's going on. Alchemist + BBT both voted Kop and then immediately after like 20 posts Alchemist switches to tchill and BBT gets ready for a Tchill push
Can you guys both elaborate what the fuck is going on?
Like between your lasts votes and your previous post what has changed.
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No, I have somewhere around a nullread on Twain. I just have a hard time seeing Nauci's play here as scummier than any of those players, because she's slightly above null for me.In post 397, ejjinami wrote:
Wait, can you explain why is twain there again?In post 327, Irrelephant11 wrote:Someone explain the Nauci wagon to me, because I really don't think she's the scummiest player so far in a game with Kop, Lalendra, twain, DDL, and lurky!NSG???
Do you think their read on you is scum motivated?
@Everyone, I'm sure you're getting sick of me and Nauci talking about each other (though y'all keep asking questions so :shrug:) - but here's our recently completed TvT game. Feel free to see what Nauci looks like as town in a game with me. I think it will kill your scumread of her, but let me know if notIn post 398, ejjinami wrote:
Yeeeeep,In post 342, Irrelephant11 wrote: I do get the feeling Nauci cares about the game somewhat, so idk where that feeling comes from for you. Though I'm agreed she could be playing better/isn't reading players deeply before providing reads. Unsure if it's AI, though like I said I don't like her votes. Hmmm yeah I could be wrong about her, she looks prettybystander-y rn.^ exactly the thing I was talking about. Even if she cares about the game, she doesn’t care enough to make active progress and doesn’t seem to get into anything she’s doing.that’s
As I said before, I got the feeling it was more of a meta thing, but lol.
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Why is BBT in here for you? Maybe you've mentioned it but a quick skim didn't answer this for meIn post 401, ejjinami wrote:Rn, I would like to lynch among: Kop, BBT, Laendra. There are a few more, but tbh I’d like to check them again before placing them anywhere and there’s no way I’ll be able to do it today.
Aaand I prob have to check NSG, cuz I didn’t really get a bad feeling from their posts, but people keep saying that he has a meta…
Kop is still my top pick though, his post didn’t really change anything for me. I’ll check his previous games after I get home, but idk how much can that change.
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This entire post is still baffling to me. @Kop I would love for you to explain:In post 345, Kop wrote:I don't generally do reads, especially on day one. You can go and review a lot of my other games that I've played on here and you'll see that I don't do reads often. I prefer to play the game by using conversations with people that gives me reads that I generally keep to myself.
I also don't use meta as a tool, I don't use any tools to help me scum read someone or find scum, as in general I always believe in evolving. People will try to change there meta to become harder to read so I don't use it. I've often been lynched because I generally get a bit busy with real life in times so don't post much, and simply because my scum games I've been quiet, so they assume I'm scum because they meta read me and I've flipped town in those games that I've been misread in because of meta. But I do use meta as a guidance but I don't base any of my reads on meta, I base it on the game.
(I'm aware that this makes it a bit hypocritical because of my defence on Lalendra but I am going off reputation. And my slight concern that I've pushed Lalendra before and learned that it's a common thing with Lalendra. So I wasn't going to be drawn in again.)
I understand that lynchbait do make it to LYLO and that's what scum want. But scum can afford to get rid of one lynchbait, especially on day one because in general scum want to get through to the first night and hope that they created some suspicions on other town on day one, then they can pretty much plan there kill and next path to take on day two and hope to ride on the confusion made on day one, or diverting suspicion to others based on there kill.In post 204, Tchill13 wrote:you know what happens to lynchbait? they make it to lylo. Scum and town chit chat for a bit. "i guess so and so wasn't lynchbait, theyre actually scum" Town gets lynched. Scum win.
Let me be very clear. If you can't clear "lynchbait" players as town for any reason other than meta then GTFO OF HERE AND STOP USING THE WORD "LYNCHBAIT".
that is all.
Some of it also rides on the experience of the scum team also. I've seen some baffling kills before that just didn't make any sense, and it just created a lot of confusion.
-why you keep reads to yourself
-why you think meta doesn't work but we should meta read you
-why you don't use meta but are using "reputation" to read Lalendra
This is slightly townyIn post 420, Kop wrote:
How are my reads super weird considering I don't think I've given any reads?In post 378, Tchill13 wrote:I think kop is putting in effort.
Even though his reads are super weird and I don't agree with them I could see them coming from a "tryhard" town so to speak.
Not sure if scumslip but I love this post all the sameIn post 460, Lalendra wrote:
Scumslip? If you knew your role PM was green you'd have at least SOME basis for that statement. Also really not feeling that progression on Kop, or the hard press on the lurkers.In post 430, Tchill13 wrote:
What if tchills just town and all three of those are scum?In post 428, Alchemist21 wrote:What if Tchill’s just scum and all of Mumble, Nauci, and Kop are Town?
VOTE: Tchill
I have as much basis for my statement as you do. None.
VOTE: Tchill-
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Why? Off the top of my head I only remember Mumble townreading tchill and it was for pushing Mumble's lynch.In post 432, Rei wrote:i'm definitely not up for lynching tchill
Mmkay found it you think he's town for "genuine townie aura" and for locktowning a player. He's since rescinded the town-lock and his aura has mostly been "I do what I want" imo so please update your read/reasoning for me.
Noting that it was around here that tchill stopped posting anything that made sense to meIn post 264, Tchill13 wrote:Mumble's iso shows no effort in solving or generating content. Only states reads.
I halfway expect him to fake claim at intent.
Oh yeah thisIn post 285, Tchill13 wrote:I lock Towned you because you said you'd scum read anyone who TR'd you without any reason.
And I did so without reason... Then you town read me for that... Little odd.
Maybe I'm doing too much reaction testing.
Hmmmm I can see some of your stuff as reaction testing in a towny way, but it never seems to pan out to reads or helpful info. What did you gain from this? Or from refusing to answer my question early on? Seems like you're playing messy but with no point to it, escept maybe to look like messy townIn post 382, Tchill13 wrote:If scum isn't in those 3 players I GAURANTEE they'd rather lynch kop than mumble or lalendra.
Agreed that this progression is awfulIn post 409, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: kop
Since other people pushed him first maybe he'll actually get lynched.
Why appeal to Mumble here? Especially if you're no longer locktowning himIn post 447, Tchill13 wrote:Very interesting group of players we got here lol. BBT and Alchemist voting me. Irrelephant try harding. Then there's like 3 lurkers mixed in.
Mumble should we lynch a low content player or an early, almost too aggressive due to the lack of low content player?
What does this post mean?In post 454, Tchill13 wrote:
also if your town, I think you are (wasn't expecting your town play to look like this) your game changes quite drastically depending upon alignment.In post 452, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Show me what readsIn post 436, Tchill13 wrote:Kop hasn't given reads of players. He has given reads, or opinions, of other information.
I'm around here:
ejjinami
BBT
Alchemist
Rei
Nauci
Mumble
Twain -- this is null
nsg
DDL
Kop
Lalendra
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Thanks! IRL it usually gets me lynched D1 or NK'd N1 so I'm really enjoying MS
I feel annoyed we have so many lurkers, obvs. It's hard to play a game when multiple players aren't playing
I caught the last scum with off multiple scumslips in another game, so I'm not ready to rule it out. At the same time I already said idk if that was one
No. But I do think letting lynchbait live to D2 gives them a chance to towntell/use their town PR/learn to play better. So I'm not a fan of lynching lynchbait D1. That said, statistics says one of ourmultiplelurkers is probably scum, so I'm not as bothered by the idea this game.-
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yesIn post 476, Tchill13 wrote:If we don't lynch a lurker d1 then when is a good time to do so? d2?-
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I just think you're overly afraid of a worst case scenario that doesn't seem all that likely. Investigatives can clear the lurkers, protectives can give us more lynches to use, etc.
Potentially one of the lurkers will turn out to be an investigative role who clears another lurker, who knows
So that's why D1 is, as a rule, not the best time for it - especially if their lurkiness is provably not related to their alignment (this is not the case for NSG, for example. She only lurks as scum or when very busy IRL).-
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