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VOTE: Lalendra

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VOTE: mumble

And so begins the conquest of known lurkers.

Bbt. Be town. Light the way.

Why did you say this?

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VOTE: tchill serious vote

hi nauci

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Partially because he ignored my question and partially for reactions. I'll leave my vote until he answers my question

Twain, why didn't you just ask about it?

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Twain, who here have you played with?

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I mean only in the sense that it's not random. It's not really a good vote, but I also don't see much scum motivation for it. Seems like you found something that wasn't random and pushed on it, like I did. I think it's towny to try to get something solid early on. Then again, you're... still voting me? Does my answer to Lalendra's question seem false or scummy to you?

DrDoLittle what makes Twain's vote worse than mine?

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?

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Bbt. Be town. Light the way.

I want to know why you said this. There is no town reason to ignore me.

@Twain - well if you were scumreading me for not giving a reason, and then I give a reason, are you still scumreading me? If not, then yes, you should move your vote

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I mean scum reason to ignore me would be to provide me with less information regarding your reasoning/associations. I guess it's fair that there could be town reasoning, now that you mention it. Why don't you want to answer the question?

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Did you mean to say "=/="

Hi! No, you?

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>>64
>well if you were scumreading me for not giving a reason, and then I give a reason, are you still scumreading me? If not, then yes, you should move your vote
The matter of the fact remains you didn't give an answer initially. Yeah it's a flimsy reason, but it's more of a reason than the sea of nothing I have. I find Tchill ignoring you regarding that statement a non-issue. I can understand people saying things just for the sake of it early on.

On an unrelated note, is there a way to actually quote inside the quick reply box? I use the above format because I hate changing pages.

My point isn't about the strength of your reason to vote me originally. I'm saying that if you're no longer scumreading me, you should stop voting me.
Separately, scumreading someone for not providing a reason is bad play. I'm townreading you for it because I don't think scum makes that kind of bad play, but my lack of reason is just as likely to be for reactions, to generate discussion, etc. (all of which it was and is - notice how much AI content has come from it) as it is to be hiding how I'm going for a mislynch. The latter is actually much less likely, imo, because scum usually feel some pressure to provide reasoning to look towny.

Lol
the reasons for wagoning twain are almost as awful as twain’s reason for their vote.

agreed

@Irrelephant what do you think of Twain?

See above. Townish.

Eh, or I could eventually vote BBT.

Why BBT?

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I don't have a read on irrelephant, I was just trying to get a sense of his play style.

what have you learned?

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townleaning alchemist

for the record Nauci has done this to me as tvt before

But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?

Also nauci am I really your scummiest read in this gamestate?

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oh also townleaning ejjinami

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Are you suggesting on Twaiin's behalf that her (wait, his? Twaiin are you a he I'm sorry yes you are, your avi got me) his vote is secretly to generate discussion etc?

Also announcing it's a pressure vote has not stopped my vote from generating most of this game's sortable content, imo, so in this particular case I don't see an issue. Meanwhile, I do still want tchill to answer my original question, and can't decide how I feel about his alignment, so my vote is getting more serious over time

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Mm I'd say most of what there is to read on myself, twaiin, you, alchemist, and tchill are directly or indirectly related to my vote. Only like two other players are sortable atm. I'm not trying to put responsibility on my shoulders if that's what you mean. Either way this isn't that important to note imo it's just in response your question

I'm not trying to dismiss Twaiin's vote? Like are you trying to genuinely read me or just sort me as guilty until proven innocent? I'm saying that if Twaiin's vote is to lynch, it doesn't make much sense at this point. Twaiin has given no indication it's anything but a vote to lynch. If it's a fish for reactions, then great, it's got my reaction and should keep doing what it's doing and I'll gladly hear that explanation later. If not, I think it's a bad vote and he should do something else with his vote

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VOTE: Northsidegal Rumor has it her scum game is just lurking

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Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

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I was going to apologize for lack of activity when I came back to this game but yikes where is everyone

@Mod, BBT voted Nauci a while back

@Irrelephant,

Do you have any scumreads other than NSG? Is your style more of a Townhunting style?

Fixed. -Mod

Mm I have no strong scumreads. Feeling unsure about tchill at the moment. I have been learning lately that yes I'm better at townreads than scumreads D1, so that's my focus for now

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Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:

-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words

So that's disappointing.

We could lynch lalendra instead of mumble

Why do you want to lynch lynchbait??

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and what "question" is evedyone asking about rn?

Pretty sure this is about the question I asked tchill D1?

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Re: that question

tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town. I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town. I would love to have answer to both of those.

Honestly I think my vote is still best on nsg, given her known tendency to lurk as scum. her only post was a prodge. kop you should join me, make it a wagon

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lol I would be scumread for that
I bring it up to avoid mislynching nauci. A lot of people are scumreading her for what's basically her boilerplate "Irrelephant and I are playing together, let me warn everyone" post that I sooooo looooove

I think it's NAI at worst. I agree her scumread of me is independently weak, though. It's possible she's just trying to replicate her paranoia of me. I don't think I'll have a definitive answer there till like D2 though

pedit: I actually love it when my post gets interrupted by a post my post responds to

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because look at what tchill quotes in the same post he says he wants to lynch lalendra

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i mean, i guess. nauci saying that lalendra is lynchbait doesn't mean she has to be town here or anything...

being lynchbait also doesn't mean you can't be scum. it just struck me as a weird reaction reading through - to be paranoid for a second, kind of like you're talking like you already know that lalendra is town and as such lynchbait and not scum. i would think that town would respond differently to what tchill said there.

I don't have any thoughts on Lalendra's alignment or lynchbait-status yet, except that maybe her questions are ok

But tchill literally said "oh you think lalendra is lynchbait? Let's lynch her then". His quote meant I thought *he* thought of her as lynchbait, and somehow therefore wanted her dead

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Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

I'm confused by this post

Was this a joke about how you don't scum read me, or about how Kop was voting me, or a typo?

all but the last

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Tchill is a townread.

Nauci is a scumread.

Rei is a town read.

VOTE: Northsidegal Rumor has it her scum game is just lurking

I thought about doing this but it's so early in the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So...

Can we get some votes on this?

Votes on Nauci or NSG? If so why is your vote not on there yet?

Uhhh...Nauci. Who I am voting and whose post I quoted...

Dolittle is leanscum.

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lol did NOT mean to click post yet, but

Mumble please explain all reads expressed here.

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Townreading Alchemist, but noting for myself that he has defended me twice and might be pocketing me. Occam's razor says he's just town, though.
I'm not yet scumreading DrDo like others are, though I'm also not townreading him
The small amount of townlean I had on Twain is fading quickly. I find that last reads list the most hard to believe - you seem to be actually scumreading other people's play but because I had some typos/website issues, I deserve your vote?
ejjinami can be town, but noting for myself that this read is at least 3/4 the number of words he's written about sorting other players' alignments, and it's harder to parse if those words actually add up to something coherent this early
Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble
tchill's play has mostly confused me
townreading Rei for 141
Scumleaning Lalendra. I'll meta her later to see WHY she's lynchbait (I thought it was maybe just activity, from what someone said?), but so far everything she's said has either been copied from someone else's previous post or misreppy
Kop has basically just whiteknighted Lalendra so far - scumreading for now

any chance it's just Twain/Lalendra/Kop?

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Your posts:

176 is a copy of alchemist's 83 - he's being widely townread, so it makes sense to copy him as scum
178 I guess isn't a copy or a misrep per se, but "Nauci wants us all to vote Irrelephant, Irrelephant wants us all to stop voting Nauci, therefore they are scumteam" doesn't make sense imo
198, 237, and 238, you're misunderstanding what nauci said. She had you three at the bottom of her readslist, so then she went to see if those reads were valid or if you three were lynchbait,

and decided the latter

. Her 164 is her way of undercutting her own scumreads by saying "Now that I look into it more, these slots aren't that scummy". So to look at that and say "you're just scumreading anyone who doesn't post enough?" is a misrep

I'm not ready to say definitively that you're scum, here, though. Like I said, I haven't looked into what makes you lynchbait-y in other games. Your signature suggests I should give you a little more slack, so I will.

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I don't mean I won't be reading you, or that I'll forgive scummy play, but I also won't be casting judgment on your slot this early, is all I mean.

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I didn't even mention the typos? I was talking about the gratuitous remark you made about me? Why did you feel like throwing it in?

About your gender? My answer is [redacted]. Generally I try to get genders right because I think that's nice, so I wanted to show that I learned my mistake and wouldn't make it again. It was just me being polite. I consider using the wrong gender in the first place a typo.

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lol my asking "can this be the scum team" was me saying "what if it were the three players who have towntold the least wouldn't that be convenient" not "I think it's probably these three"

tl;dr jokes

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I never scumread Nauci
nsg has played fine since showing up
I agree that he listed some real scumreads, but that his scumread on me is the most flimsy, so his vote on me is a bad one imo. That leaves me wondering if he is actually trying to find the scummiest player and vote them or not. I thought his first few posts were more likely to come from town though, so I'm around null. I'm not sure I'd call that OMGUS?

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But that is a little misreppy, nauci - Notice that *my* vote is for pressure and reactions. *Her* vote is apparently because I'm scummy for not providing reasons. If that scumread expires (not super sure why it's there in the first place), I would think it would make more sense to move on, either to another scumread or to create pressure and generate discussion. Instead, she sits on me. Do her actions make sense to you?

?? cool i guess calling someone out for misrepping you is now a town read ??
real good to know thx.

I mean I didn't think that her misrepresentation of me is towny per se, but I also know that she's paranoid of me as town, and has done all the things I could potentially scumread her for here - when we were both town. That obviously doesn't *clear* her, but it doesn't make me suspicious in the same way it would if she were playing the same paranoid misreppy way around another player. Basically, I think the misrep was a misunderstanding in this case. Nauci doesn't need to go after me as the mislynch as scum, especially when it's getting

her

much more negative attention.

This

feels like a grasping for straws case when the wagon on me lost momentum...

Why don't you elaborate your thought mechanism behind this: Assume you are town. I am scum for because instead of trying to push your wagon forward I'm actively scumhunting?

Nauci + Irrelephant scum you heard it here first guys.

Would also explain that terribly awkward early interaction.

lol @nauci I foresee this being the story of every early game we have together until forever
DDL we all wish it was us two, us two more than anyone. But I'm town, sorry!

That was a fairly quick CW to the Nauci wagon. Interesting.

Irrelephant, you're on the wrong leading wagon.

Meh, maybe. Multiple large wagons is useful early D1, though. Why appeal to me on this? You think I'm the only townie on my wagon, or?

Talk about both of these [nsg and nauci] town reads please?

This looks exactly like town Nauci so far - paranoid of me, anti-lurkers at first, trying to provide all her thoughts and reads when she can... We don't have many games between us atm, but I've seen her as both alignments, and nothing reminds me more of scum!nauci than town!nauci. It's possible she's putting on a performance as scum just for me, but I suspect she would want to change up her game, call it new meta, and not get so much heat for the way she plays the early game (this isn't the first time).
NSG I was scumreading for not playing, then she came to play and said she'd been LA over the weekend, so that killed the scumread. I guess on re-read she's not as towny as I remembered, though. Somehow I thought she had more content than "what did you say? Oh, I get it. Well, vote: Mumble". I guess she's closer to null at this point? I also just wanted to vote Mumble there for refusing to explain his reads. He still hasn't

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mmm that might be true. But that's also kinda an AtE-y reason to scumread her (though I get that the reason for your post is mostly for other people to stop lumping us together, not for me to scumread nauci necessarily). I still don't think I scumread her. I'll watch out for that potential blindspot, though.

I still want Mumble to share more reasoning.

In other news Rei keeps saying she's used to being scumread as town but idk why, she's super towny so far. Maybe I should think she's scum, then?
She's being super careful around other's reads of her in a pro-town way, like I think scum usually just accepts townreads and moves on whereas she is wary of being pocketed. Her analysis of tchill is pretty towny, too, even if I'm not ready to locktown tchill for locktowning her.

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Welcome to the game Kop. Who's scum, and why isn't it Nauci?

Why nauci in particular?
And does that mean you do have a read on her?

She's a townlean for me until further notice - I've explained this recently, so. Mostly this comment, though, was about how I didn't like that Kop just left his RVS vote after enough AI stuff had happened to be able to provide reads

tchill I mostly wanted to know what experience you have with bbt that would make you say he should "light the way" for town.

I'm still a little lost why you wouldn't want to answer the question as town.

I would love to have answer to both of those.

honestly? why would he not want to answer the question as scum?
Does it even matter?
You're making it sound like it's sufficiently AI to change your read on him and I don't really like that tbh.
You're either making a big deal for exactly no reason, or were trying to pressure him in a really awful way.
Which one was that?

I choose C) I was getting legit confused and wanted an answer. It doesn't affect my read much, but since he was refusing to acknowledge his own motivation even as other players continued to bring it up, it was going from "oh that's just how he plays I guess" to "wow he's being really stubborn even after other players have started to push him on it, what does that mean?"
Also, there is potential scum motivation to ignore the question, at least at first. I've said this already, and feel like you're not really trying to find all the context of the conversation? which is frustrating but not that AI I guess

I mean scum reason to ignore me would be to provide me with less information regarding your reasoning/associations. I guess it's fair that there could be town reasoning, now that you mention it. Why don't you want to answer the question?

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Aww man, you had a 50/50 choice and chose the wrong one.

If you're gonna vote a low poster, it needs to be Kop. I'd much prefer you to join the Nauci wagon though.

Someone explain the Nauci wagon to me, because I really don't think she's the scummiest player so far in a game with Kop, Lalendra, twain, DDL, and lurky!NSG???

Mumble even had a particularly bad progression of "Vote: Nauci" [no reasons given] --> Nauci posted --> "Look at this post! Vote her, she's scum" [no reasons given]

I'm not convinced this wagon has a better composition than the Mumble one did when it was criticized, either.

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This seems to be your progression on Nauci

Tchill is a townread.

Nauci is a scumread.

VOTE: Nauci

VOTE: Northsidegal Rumor has it her scum game is just lurking

I thought about doing this but it's so early in the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So...

Can we get some votes on this?

Tchill is a townread.

Nauci is a scumread.

not sure how you could even come up with this for starters.

You wouldn't push for my lynch as scum. You would tunnel me as town.

Nauci's 117 is bad. No reason for her to interject in a comment I made to you. But, even though she gave her support for your, she didn't act on it at all. Bad.

Show me what part of this I'm misrepresenting you on?

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mm okay that's fair re:giving reasons, I misread the post numbers on your original "Nauci is a scumread" vs the post you quoted from nauci, & had them flipped. Not as problematic, though I still think people are scumreading Nauci for pretty weak reasons. But whatevs, I'll let her defend herself and see where that goes.

I'm not "feeling raw", though, like I'm only playing the way I am because you've offended me or something. I'll pass on the AtE, thanks. I

have

been scumreading you for not giving reasons, because even if you think I'm scum it's still pro-town to provide reasoning for your reads. It helps town correctly read you if you're town and it prevents scum from getting by without providing any in-depth reads. You can play however you want, but it just *is* pro-town to answer my requests for more info, unless you think some specific question of mine can only serve to trap you into a mislynch slot (which, "please explain your reads"... not that kind of question).

All that said, your frustration at my misreading you feels genuine, and it seems most of my scumread of you is a playstyle thing. I'll move to VOTE: Kop who is kinda being the definition of active lurker, and his posts don't add anything useful, as others have noted. Kop, got any reads?

pedit: lol it's like you could have written that to me

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This looks exactly like town Nauci so far - paranoid of me, anti-lurkers at first,

trying to provide all her thoughts and reads when she can...

I got a completely different vibe from her. I already said sth about that. I don’t see where you got the “giving her thoughts when she can”. Please, can you quote the stuff that made you feel that way?
It feels like you’re defending her just for the sake of defending her tbh. And you didn’t really bother to think it through imo.
Not sure how scum indicative is it, but don’t do that ffs. It is not helping.

I feel like other players are scumreading her just for the sake of scumreading her, so I'm calling that as I see it. I also like just said I would stop defending her, because it's possible I'm wrong. But inb4 someone sees me answering your questions here and is like "oOoOoh look he's

still

defending her, they're the team"

Spoiler: Quoting the stuff that made me feel this way

IIRC, Mumble is a bit lurky but I don't remember too much about his games I've skimmed.

Town!NSG is a very capable player who will bleed towness as the game progresses. Haven't seen scum!NSG.

Town!chill is less town screaming and effort posting as NSG, but is quite capable as town. I haven't seen scumchilll before.

Rei adorkable posts afaik and I have no alignment indicative info to glean from that.

IDK any of the other players.

I don't think it's a strong read but I agree with your BBT case

of course it's not
but if you agree, do you wanna switch to him? your pressure on irrel did exactly nothing and I don't think continuing it will do anything early d1. How about switching to the other players? who do you wanna lynch rn?

I kinda park on my RVS vote for a long time until I figure out where I want to go, and I haven't figured that out yet.

Ngl, I'm not a fan of that playstyle. If your pressure is doing nothing, don't waste time and just do sth else. You've gotta have some leans at this point of the game and it really won't hurt you to place a vote there.
I'm actually kinda thankful for you writing all that stuff about irre, but it's not something that can be sorted at the beginning of the game imo.
Can you post brackets or sth like that?

I actually reread the thread a couple of times Friday and Saturday to try and figure out where I wanted to pressure, but couldn't settle any where in particular among the people I don't town read, and think that Irrelephant isn't any worse or better than those wagons. I think the DDL wagon is more effective w/o the person he's voting on it, and I don't think Irrelephant has been towny yet and that he does respond to pressure.

I'd say my reads at the moment are

Slight Town Lean:

ejjnami
tchill
twain

Conflicted Null:

BBT
Mumble
DDL

Unknown null:

Irrelephant
Rei
Alchemist

Slight Scum Lean:

NSG
Lalendra
Kop

But with half of the game not having post much and a bias against lurkers, it's hard to say.

My experience with NSG is that she's more talkative later in the game but casually chatty in the beginning, but I thought she'd been kinda busy in general lately (though, that *is* weird to then /in games). I thought I'd wait until tomorrow since people are inactive on the weekends.

Quick look up of the 3 players with 1 post only:

-NSG I've already talked about
-Lalendra seems to always be lynchbait (I mean, she's even got quotes about her in her profile on that) and doesn't post much (1x/day at most), with very little activity in the last few weeks
-Kop is slightly more active than Lalendra but also pretty quiet, and of few words

So that's disappointing.

Actually it might seem slightly silly but the attention to detail from alchemist in 158 in combination with his post about me has me slightly leaning town on him

I'm feeling pretty good about Alch

Not super great about Rei, who I'm pretty sure has the capacity to step it way up

After doing this ISO though I agree her votes have mostly been pretty bad

It feels like nauci doesn’t really care about the game. Her read on ire was meta and she didn’t even bother to check Rei’s and drDoli’s ISOs before SRing them.
Rn I think it might be more of a meta thing, but I don’t really like it.

BBT went slightly up on the list, but it’s mostly because I saw his vote on cop in the latest posts.
I don’t really like the nauci read.

I do get the feeling Nauci cares about the game somewhat, so idk where that feeling comes from for you. Though I'm agreed she could be playing better/isn't reading players deeply before providing reads. Unsure if it's AI, though like I said I don't like her votes. Hmmm yeah I could be wrong about her, she looks pretty bystander-y rn.

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You can go and review a lot of my other games that I've played on here and you'll see that I don't do reads often.

Hm ok

People will try to change there meta to become harder to read so I don't use it. I've often been lynched because I generally get a bit busy with real life in times so don't post much, and simply because my scum games I've been quiet, so they assume I'm scum because they meta read me and I've flipped town in those games that I've been misread in because of meta.

???????

????

I'm aware that this makes it a bit hypocritical because of my defence on Lalendra

I'm glad you acknowledge it

but I am going off reputation.

But this isn't a "but"??? Reputation = meta????? I thought??????????
???????

??????

??????????????????????

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@Rei

I haven’t seen anything from Nauci to reverse my read and the CW to her also that formed also makes me think she’s likely scum.

Why does the existence of a CW make someone scum? Honestly I'm not really scumreading either of the early wagons. Why is it unlikely they're both town (or why is that not true in this case)? Seems easier and randomly more likely to wagon two town early D1 than any other combination of two wagons

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Lalendra what are your townreads

Tchill why do you want to lynch Lalendra

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VOTE COUNT 1.7

Nauci (4) - Alchemist21, Mumble, BlueBloodedToffee, Lalendra
Mumble (2) - northsidegal, Irrelephant11
DrDolittle (2) - Rei, Nauci
Lalendra (1) - Tchill13
Kop (1) - ejjinami
Irrelephant11 (1) - DrDolittle
TWAIN (0) -
BlueBloodedToffee (0) -
Alchemist21 (0) -
ejjinami (0) -
northsidegal (0) -
Tchill13 (0) -
Rei (0) -

Not Voting: Kop, TWAIN

ACTIVITY NOTES:
Lalendra is noted to be permanently V/LA on weekends.
Rei has been prodded.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is Thursday, August 16th at 11:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2018-08-16 11:00:00)

@Mod I'm voting Kop rn

Link to the post please? I checked your ISO and don't see it. -Mod

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Not sure NSG is actually playing much like her town meta this game. She showed up for like a minute twice so idk if that's enough to not be a lurker. I mean in this game it sort of is because there's multiple super-lurkers but I digress

Everyone should be voting Kop what are y'all doing?

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I'd like to hear your answer first

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lol

@Mod: I'm V/LA on weekends

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Lalendra what are your townreads

Tchill why do you want to lynch Lalendra

Why don't you want to lynch lalendra?

On second thought I might be fine lynching Lalendra?

What's your reasoning there, though?

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Well, yeah. You've been pushing on Mumble literally since RVS, and this is the only reason you've given for scumreading him

Mumble's iso shows no effort in solving or generating content. Only states reads.

I halfway expect him to fake claim at intent.

Oh. I guess I get it

Yeah I mean I get not wanting to lynch lynchbait (as Nauci said Lalendra is)
I also get wanting to lynch active lurkers

*shrug* yeah Lalendra could maybe be the lynch

What do you think of Kop?

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I mean agreed his posts are weird
Honestly I'd say

Mumble's iso shows no effort in solving or generating content. Only states reads.

I halfway expect him to fake claim at intent.

applies to him too, so I'm curious why he gets a pass from you

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Really? Mumble has at least provided reasoning for his scumread of Nauci and his townread of you.

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I highlight posts, where Irrelephant flips and flops on nauci - hints that shes scum, then calls her town, then soft defends her by saying that everyone is piling on her wagon for shit reasons, and then proceeds to say "ah yeah I can she why her votes are scummy"

this is flip flop flipity flop at the finest

If scum-nauci, this is irrelephant soft-defending partner, but having the option to bus.
If town-nauci, this is irrelephant setting up to potentially i told you so, but still be able to vote nauci if the situtation dictates so.

Mumble see this does that change your mind?

Lol so
if <Nauci is a player in this game> then
<Vote Irrelephant>

Why is flip flopping scummy, again?

Very interesting group of players we got here lol. BBT and Alchemist voting me. Irrelephant try harding. Then there's like 3 lurkers mixed in.

Mumble should we lynch a low content player or an early, almost too aggressive due to the lack of low content player?

BBT isn't voting you, he's voting Kop. From his questioning on your reasons for the Kop vote, he opened the avenue to push you, and Alchemist and Kop hopped on for that. I want to lynch in {Nauci, nsg, Kop, Alchemist}. Narrowing that down, probably Kop or Alchemist atm. With 3 days left, I'm voting Kop.

Mumble see this does that change your mind?

No.

Why is Alchemist a scumread I don't remember seeing that from you and definitely disagree


I want to scumread almost every player in this playerlist for playstyle. This is gonna be a struggle till I get used to this... I think tchill & Mumble have refused to answer my questions, nsg & nauci have misunderstood me, lalendra & Kop have refused to unlurk... And there's only three scum.

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Doing some re-reading

I liked TWAIN's 213 and 233. UNVOTE:

The small amount of townlean I had on Twain is fading quickly. I find that last reads list the most hard to believe - you seem to be actually scumreading other people's play but because I had some typos/website issues, I deserve your vote? [...]

Townreading Nauci and nsg, and more than happy to sheep them onto someone I don't townread VOTE: Mumble

- Is this a first order OMGUS on twain??? So you agree that he's scumreading people's plays, but also that you don't believe the reads?

- Town reads on NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)+ Nauci (a flip from an earlier scumread? for what? Nauci's post has been pretty consistent in nature, so any reads should also be consistent) and sounds like a casual excuse to go on a mumble's wagon wtf

VOTE: irrelephant

I always struggle with OMGUS-ing as town, so please @all let me know if I'm wrong here, but this feels like DDL

wanting

to see me as scum and intentionally misrepping/overreacting. Like I clearly didn't say "I agree Twain is scumreading people's plays, but I don't believe the reads". I said "I think a lot of Twain's reads make sense, but then to vote me for such a bad reason - I can't be sure this is coming from town".
I guess it's possible I come across as JUST. THAT. SCUMMY but this whole post just feels OTT - even if he fully believes what he's saying, does it necessitate such a strong reaction?

I also wonder if "NSG (who's done nothing all game to get towncred)" is a partner slip, but this is mostly a note for later, not a reason to scumread either player.

Yeah I mean I get not wanting to lynch lynchbait (as Nauci said Lalendra is)
I also get wanting to lynch active lurkers

*shrug* yeah Lalendra could maybe be the lynch

???????????????????????????
This is terrible reason for lynching anyone fyi.

@DDL what did you think was my reasoning here?

I'm honestly super fucking baffled at what's going on. Alchemist + BBT both voted Kop and then immediately after like 20 posts Alchemist switches to tchill and BBT gets ready for a Tchill push
Can you guys both elaborate what the fuck is going on?
Like between your lasts votes and your previous post what has changed.

Also can we get more votes on irrelephant? Please?

What part of Alchemist & BBT having similar reads is "super fucking baffl"ing?

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Someone explain the Nauci wagon to me, because I really don't think she's the scummiest player so far in a game with Kop, Lalendra, twain, DDL, and lurky!NSG???

Wait, can you explain why is twain there again?
Do you think their read on you is scum motivated?

No, I have somewhere around a nullread on Twain. I just have a hard time seeing Nauci's play here as scummier than any of those players, because she's slightly above null for me.

I do get the feeling Nauci cares about the game somewhat, so idk where that feeling comes from for you. Though I'm agreed she could be playing better/isn't reading players deeply before providing reads. Unsure if it's AI, though like I said I don't like her votes. Hmmm yeah I could be wrong about her, she looks pretty

bystander-y rn.

Yeeeeep,

that’s

^ exactly the thing I was talking about. Even if she cares about the game, she doesn’t care enough to make active progress and doesn’t seem to get into anything she’s doing.
As I said before, I got the feeling it was more of a meta thing, but lol.

@Everyone, I'm sure you're getting sick of me and Nauci talking about each other (though y'all keep asking questions so :shrug:) - but here's our recently completed TvT game. Feel free to see what Nauci looks like as town in a game with me. I think it will kill your scumread of her, but let me know if not
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76627

Rn, I would like to lynch among: Kop, BBT, Laendra. There are a few more, but tbh I’d like to check them again before placing them anywhere and there’s no way I’ll be able to do it today.
Aaand I prob have to check NSG, cuz I didn’t really get a bad feeling from their posts, but people keep saying that he has a meta…
Kop is still my top pick though, his post didn’t really change anything for me. I’ll check his previous games after I get home, but idk how much can that change.

Why is BBT in here for you? Maybe you've mentioned it but a quick skim didn't answer this for me
Also does it affect your feeling on lynching Lalendra that she has been called lynchbait by multiple players this game?

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Kop now that you're back nearly 6 pages later

Do you have updated reads

I don't generally do reads, especially on day one. You can go and review a lot of my other games that I've played on here and you'll see that I don't do reads often. I prefer to play the game by using conversations with people that gives me reads that I generally keep to myself.

I also don't use meta as a tool, I don't use any tools to help me scum read someone or find scum, as in general I always believe in evolving. People will try to change there meta to become harder to read so I don't use it. I've often been lynched because I generally get a bit busy with real life in times so don't post much, and simply because my scum games I've been quiet, so they assume I'm scum because they meta read me and I've flipped town in those games that I've been misread in because of meta. But I do use meta as a guidance but I don't base any of my reads on meta, I base it on the game.

(I'm aware that this makes it a bit hypocritical because of my defence on Lalendra but I am going off reputation. And my slight concern that I've pushed Lalendra before and learned that it's a common thing with Lalendra. So I wasn't going to be drawn in again.)

you know what happens to lynchbait? they make it to lylo. Scum and town chit chat for a bit. "i guess so and so wasn't lynchbait, theyre actually scum" Town gets lynched. Scum win.

Let me be very clear. If you can't clear "lynchbait" players as town for any reason other than meta then GTFO OF HERE AND STOP USING THE WORD "LYNCHBAIT".

that is all.

I understand that lynchbait do make it to LYLO and that's what scum want. But scum can afford to get rid of one lynchbait, especially on day one because in general scum want to get through to the first night and hope that they created some suspicions on other town on day one, then they can pretty much plan there kill and next path to take on day two and hope to ride on the confusion made on day one, or diverting suspicion to others based on there kill.

Some of it also rides on the experience of the scum team also. I've seen some baffling kills before that just didn't make any sense, and it just created a lot of confusion.

This entire post is still baffling to me. @Kop I would love for you to explain:
-why you keep reads to yourself
-why you think meta doesn't work but we should meta read you
-why you don't use meta but are using "reputation" to read Lalendra

I think kop is putting in effort.

Even though his reads are super weird and I don't agree with them I could see them coming from a "tryhard" town so to speak.

How are my reads super weird considering I don't think I've given any reads?

This is slightly towny

What if Tchill’s just scum and all of Mumble, Nauci, and Kop are Town?

VOTE: Tchill

What if tchills just town and all three of those are scum?

I have as much basis for my statement as you do. None.

Scumslip? If you knew your role PM was green you'd have at least SOME basis for that statement. Also really not feeling that progression on Kop, or the hard press on the lurkers.

VOTE: Tchill

Not sure if scumslip but I love this post all the same

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i'm definitely not up for lynching tchill

Why? Off the top of my head I only remember Mumble townreading tchill and it was for pushing Mumble's lynch.

Mmkay found it you think he's town for "genuine townie aura" and for locktowning a player. He's since rescinded the town-lock and his aura has mostly been "I do what I want" imo so please update your read/reasoning for me.

Mumble's iso shows no effort in solving or generating content. Only states reads.

I halfway expect him to fake claim at intent.

Noting that it was around here that tchill stopped posting anything that made sense to me

I lock Towned you because you said you'd scum read anyone who TR'd you without any reason.

And I did so without reason... Then you town read me for that... Little odd.

Maybe I'm doing too much reaction testing.

Oh yeah this
Hmmmm I can see some of your stuff as reaction testing in a towny way, but it never seems to pan out to reads or helpful info. What did you gain from this? Or from refusing to answer my question early on? Seems like you're playing messy but with no point to it, escept maybe to look like messy town

If scum isn't in those 3 players I GAURANTEE they'd rather lynch kop than mumble or lalendra.

VOTE: kop

Since other people pushed him first maybe he'll actually get lynched.

Agreed that this progression is awful

Very interesting group of players we got here lol. BBT and Alchemist voting me. Irrelephant try harding. Then there's like 3 lurkers mixed in.

Mumble should we lynch a low content player or an early, almost too aggressive due to the lack of low content player?

Why appeal to Mumble here? Especially if you're no longer locktowning him

Kop hasn't given reads of players. He has given reads, or opinions, of other information.

Show me what reads

also if your town, I think you are (wasn't expecting your town play to look like this) your game changes quite drastically depending upon alignment.

What does this post mean?

I'm around here:

ejjinami
BBT
Alchemist
Rei
Nauci
Mumble
Twain -- this is null
nsg
DDL
Kop
Lalendra
tchill

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Nope! Though apparently there's someone out there who has told a couple people I'm their alt????????

But no, I've only been playing online mafia as long as I've had this account. I've played F2F a lot in life

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Thanks! IRL it usually gets me lynched D1 or NK'd N1 so I'm really enjoying MS

I feel annoyed we have so many lurkers, obvs. It's hard to play a game when multiple players aren't playing

I caught the last scum with off multiple scumslips in another game, so I'm not ready to rule it out. At the same time I already said idk if that was one

No. But I do think letting lynchbait live to D2 gives them a chance to towntell/use their town PR/learn to play better. So I'm not a fan of lynching lynchbait D1. That said, statistics says one of our

multiple

lurkers is probably scum, so I'm not as bothered by the idea this game.

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If we don't lynch a lurker d1 then when is a good time to do so? d2?

yes

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I just think you're overly afraid of a worst case scenario that doesn't seem all that likely. Investigatives can clear the lurkers, protectives can give us more lynches to use, etc.
Potentially one of the lurkers will turn out to be an investigative role who clears another lurker, who knows

So that's why D1 is, as a rule, not the best time for it - especially if their lurkiness is provably not related to their alignment (this is not the case for NSG, for example. She only lurks as scum or when very busy IRL).

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I’ll lynch anyone under “null” in my reads. Right now Kop is the bigger wagon, is all

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I’ll lynch anyone under “null” in my reads. Right now Kop is the bigger wagon, is all

Can you answer my question about why you liked the lalendra post?

Yeah my b I missed it

What if Tchill’s just scum and all of Mumble, Nauci, and Kop are Town?

VOTE: Tchill

What if tchills just town and all three of those are scum?

I have as much basis for my statement as you do. None.

Scumslip? If you knew your role PM was green you'd have at least SOME basis for that statement. Also really not feeling that progression on Kop, or the hard press on the lurkers.

VOTE: Tchill

So here's her post. I actually see the scumslip - "what if tchill's town and [any combination of words]? I have no basis for that" suggests he doesn't believe himself to be town. Like I said I don't know if this really is one, but I enjoy when people call out scumslips, because as I mentioned I caught scum on them before. That's why I like the post. It also certainly suggests Lalendra/tchill is never S/S.

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Honestly I finished the readslist, went "oh I forgot Mumble, meh he's above null" and slotted him in right above null. He, Nauci, and Rei could easily be shifted around in any order and I would still feel the list was pretty accurate

Honestly, it feels like tchill is trying to use "avoiding lynchbait isn't good, it's bad" as a way to push for an easy mislynch - this is how I'm reading his progression on Kop. You're right though that blatant self-contradiction does seem to come from town more than scum, so maybe I shouldn't be scumreading him for it. Still, after that one post I pointed out from tchill, he just.... stopped making sense to me. Oh and also his "everything I do is a reaction test" attitude, when none of those "reaction tests" lead to any solutions, or reads, or anything helpful. When I re-read his ISO it really did seem like he was just playing messy for the sake of it. It definitely doesn't feel like he's interested in solving the game - his clearest posts in regards to who we should lynch have just been game theory about lynching lurkers.

What are you townreading from tchill, if anything?

Alchemist read coming in another post

pedit: prettyyyy

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My understanding is OMGUS is usually something like "I scumread you for scumreading me". Which I have done all the time as town. Idk if I've done it as scum but yeah, I guess my self-awareness means it's not a towntell in this case. But that's not why I bring it up - it's because I'm interested in others' thoughts of DDL in that interaction. What do you think of my read of DDL there? Am I overreacting? Is he?

Also yes I was partially talking about that one sentence.

I started collecting quotes from Alchemist that I agreed with or that made sense to me and it just ended up being 90% of his posts. I think he's been overly focused on Nauci for NAI stuff but I think he's asked multiple good questions and seems to be interested in actually sorting/finding scum. I don't see anything from him I find scummy. How are you reading alchemist?

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okay but like, what's the test?

Also agreed with whoever said Nauci is sadly low content lately
As is NSG who I would happily wagon atm

I don't see a case on alchemist so please do elaborate

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How about stop making this about lurker/not lurker? What's

scummy

about them? About alchemist? I literally just ISO'd him and I'm obvs not seeing what you're seeing or I wouldn't ask

What are your raisins
Why keep the raisins to yourself

Also if you so desperately want to lynch a lurker why is Alchemist suddenly your new fav

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Why share all my raisins exactly?why let scum know if I'm on them and why I'm on them?

Because town don't have a PT to discuss these sorts of things? Like huh? Scum already know they're scum so they won't be learning much (except I guess what to avoid in the future, but it's too late to change what they've already done) - in fact they usually start playing worse when they feel caught, making it easier to lynch them.

okay but like, what's the test?

Also agreed with whoever said Nauci is sadly low content lately
As is NSG who I would happily wagon atm

I don't see a case on alchemist so please do elaborate

The test is creating actions and reactions, content on day 1.

Okay, what do you think/how do you read the actions and reactions? You've provided very little of this, especially as pressure has come your way.
Like you said at the beginning of the game that you didn't answer my question as a reaction test. Then you got my reaction, and you said now you know my playstyle, but not my alignment. How does that help? Is it my town playstyle or my scum playstyle? In retrospect it sounds like you already knew I was town and wanted to know how to deal with me. You also didn't provide any thoughts on the other players who reacted then. In every "reaction test" you've done since, you've failed to clear up what the test is FOR, how it helps you sort other players, etc. <--- Makes me think you're not actually trying to sort, because you're scum who doesn't need to sort.

Irrelephant what's your stance on players that scum can use to make it easier for them to win? Do you not feel that those players are tools for scum to use? Essentially a lesser form of a PR for scum.

Can we at least agree that if you were scum you'd want lurkers in lylo?

Why am I scum exactly? Because I'd like to push an easy lynch on a lurker day 1?

Answer all those in order please.

I don't think any player is a "tool". I like to give all players a chance to towntell. You're also conveniently ignoring my point that PRs do a lot of the sorting that you seem to want to use our lynch to do. Without any successful protections, we get

at most

6 lynches this game (if it goes to 3p lylo). I don't care to waste any lynches on someone who's hard to sort just because I'm afraid of a potential lylo (unless townreads and PoE leads me there). It's up to lurkers to play the game; if all the lurkers are town this game and we lose because they're hard to sort then we lost as a team because half the team didn't play. Unfortunate. But I'm also not going to spend every game riding lurkers for lurking if it's not a scumtell for them.

Yes, if I were scum I'd want lurkers in lylo. If I were scum in a game with 5 lurkers, though, I might just line them up as lynches and go down the line, who knows?
You're scummy because you don't want to lynch players you think are scummy, you want to lynch players you think are hard to sort. There are better ways to sort, and lynchbait is called lynchbait

because

they're easy lynches for scum in the info void that is D1.

Also I'm voting Kop (one of the lurkers) while other players are voting you - why do you feel the need to appeal to me so much about this?


I did my best to answer all your questions, I don't think they're in perfect order but there you go

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@NSG at one point you thought I misunderstood tchill. I thought he wants to lynch lynchbait for being lynchbait, you didn't. Now that he's made it clear that he DOES have an interest in players considered lynchbait, how are you reading him?

@Nauci I need your reads of tchill, kop, and lalendra please

@Kop and Lalendra how are you reading each other? How are you reading alchemist?

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I think your argument is a waste of space/time because most players here are willing to lynch (at least some of the) lurkers - they're just also willing to lynch you, and your deflection to "no you have to lynch a lurker d1" isn't even that good of an argument. It goes against site meta anyway, as you acknowledge, so why make it your hill to die on this game?

btw, I think the main reasoning is: If lynching a lurker for being a lurker D1 rarely gets you either a scumflip or useful associatives, why lynch a lurker D1?

Just because I don't give reads that I have doesn't mean I don't have reads.

If you refuse to deal with lurkers then you're giving scum an easy out.

You way why are they scum. What's scummy about them. That's bad reasoning. Why are they town? What's towny about them? The same can be said.

Any given random player is more likely to be town, so it's not an equal/opposite point.

pedit: yeah well. We agree on that, then.

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Just because I don't give reads that I have doesn't mean I don't have reads.

Okay, but just because you say you have reads doesn't mean I believe you.

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Reallllly done arguing with you about game theory re:lurkers

If you're not going to share reads though please explain how that helps town find scum/read you correctly

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Probably not? idk

Not sure where you got the idea that I'm scumreading you for wanting to lynch lurkers. We've argued about game theory a lot, but I've also made clear that I'm scumreading you because I'm not convinced you're at all trying to find either town or scum - instead, you'd rather simply not be lynched.

I have also not suggested that the lurkers in this particular game should be cleared for their lurkiness - in fact, just the opposite for NSG/Kop. so..?

Rei where are you at/what are you thinking?

pedit: I didn't start this conversation thinking you're here to misdirect or distract, but the longer you have insisted on pushing the idea that the first lynch should be a lurker (rather than, say, try to appeal to other players to lynch whichever lurker you're most scumreading), the more it feels like that is your goal

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lol not sure how my brain decided you said "distract or misdirect" instead of "deflect or misguide" but same idea I guess

[Irrelephant11]

I cannot wait to hear your case against Alchemist

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Yeah... I like his play less the further I go
But he doesn't seem to care?

Which... is a little WIFOM-y but I guess on balance townier.
My scumread has certainly been waning but I didn't want to let up pressure yet. I look forward to your thoughts on him

I think my other question was about alchemist? I don't see what either you or tchill think is scummy about him?

Actually unless NSG has a drastic turnaround before EOD she's my new fav lynch. VOTE: northsidegal

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@alch what’s my scum motivation for avoiding the tchill wagon? That he’s my partner? Doesn’t that only make sense if he’s scum?

I felt ~equal about most of my scumreads because none of my scumreads have had strong reasoning yet this game. There hasn’t been a ton of content to go on. I also stayed on Kop over tchill also to generate Kop content, which didn’t work but oh well.

But if I understand correctly NSG’s alignment can pretty accurately be read by her activity/strength of play. She’s now certainly scummy, whereas the rest of my scumreads are meh. I definitely prefer a wagon on her over anyone else

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ejjinami
BBT
Alchemist
Rei
Nauci
Mumble
Twain -- this is null
nsg
DDL
Kop
Lalendra
tchill

Too many scum

??? You expect me to have it narrowed down to 3? Lol

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Yeah welcome

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Irrelephant, why should I townread you?

Because I’m town

Why ask me this?

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I don't have intimate familiarity with your meta, but I've heard a lot about it lately for reasons. Your one spike of activity earlier this game day was entirely about whether or not Lalendra is lynchbait, and then a meta townread on Nauci. Neither of those were new thoughts, and I suspect you're parroting town to try to look like you're putting in effort.

DDL you're not wrong that my play is kinda inconsistent. It just also happens to be town, so I guess I'll just let you get over the inconsistencies. I've already answered for my reasoning on all the play you have issue with.
Oh but also

The one on you is clearly the strongest. So if you think that twain has good reads, then you must accept that her vote on you is not trivial and for "such a bad reason" as you claim

This is where we disagree. I did not read her scumread of me as being the strongest. I read it as the weakest. It seemed like she had good reasoning for scumreading the other three, poor reasoning for scumreading me, and then voted me. To me, that was iffy. But I guess I see where you're coming from, so I agree that you probably weren't intentionally overreacting.

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I already said scum would want to avoid the tchill wagon if he and the lurkers he’s pushing are all Town. And that’s exactly what you did.

Wait, what? So you've figured out that

tchill is town
kop is town
lalendra is town
mumble is town
and I'm scum?

This would be a fascinating readslist coming from you.

I would have gladly wagoned tchill (in fact, for the sake of VCA later, go ahead and just count my vote on his wagon!). I really didn't care at the time whether the wagon was on tchill, kop, or any of my other scumreads. I'll vote with who I think is town, as I'm more of a townhunter D1. I thought momentum was moving to nsg (other players were listing her as a lynch option), though, around the same time she became my strongest scumread, so I then moved my vote.

At this rate, I kinda want a wagon on me. It'd be revealing, at the very least.

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I'm somewhat comfortable townreading Creature

@tchill what's the difference between alchemist wanting to lynch a talkative player and you wanting to lynch alchemist?

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Irrelephant, why should I townread you?

Because I’m town

Why ask me this?

@creature let me rephrase

Why ask ME this?

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I think kop is putting in effort.

Even though his reads are super weird and I don't agree with them I could see them coming from a "tryhard" town so to speak.

How are my reads super weird considering I don't think I've given any reads?

Before a Kop lynch goes through is there any chance this is town?

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What did you think of the me/tchill conversation? anything AI?

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I don't have intimate familiarity with your meta, but I've heard a lot about it lately for reasons. Your one spike of activity earlier this game day was entirely about whether or not Lalendra is lynchbait, and then a meta townread on Nauci. Neither of those were new thoughts, and I suspect you're parroting town to try to look like you're putting in effort.

I haven't played Mafia in 2/3 years, just started again so I don't think my meta is relevant?

You can call me scum all you want, but please don't say I'm not putting in effort. I've been juggling a heavy work load over the past week or so and still committing quite a couple of hours every day into the game.

+ I don't remember ever discussing Nauci's meta?

This paragraph was to NSG, whose post was right above mine

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@BBT
@Nauci

Thoughts from you two on this?

Why appeal to these two players?

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I mean you said you want to lynch Alchemist because he seems to be pushing lynches on talkative players. He also happens to be a talkative player. You say you have reasons - I'm sure he'd say the same. By your metric, you should be the lynch for pushing Alchemist. So what's the difference?

nvm we clearly play differently and I'll stop trying to understand you. I think you're probably town so it's almost a moot point, except to say that I think your push on Alchemist isn't very sound.

Honestly this game hasn't been the

most

fun, so that might be bleeding into my posts a little.

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I don't hate you

Also we agree lurking is bad play and un-fun, for sure.

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the continuous alch sheeping

Wait is this a thing? I think I liked BBT and Alchemist for similar reasons so if BBT is just an alchemist copycat that would be worrying

@alchemist good reasons

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the continuous alch sheeping

Wait is this a thing? I think I liked BBT and Alchemist for similar reasons so if BBT is just an alchemist copycat that would be worrying

Not actually super seeing this, on re-read. Like yeah they've voted together some and had similar reads but it doesn't seem like one is following the other. I've mostly felt like I've already sorted them both as town though so let me know if I'm missing something

I think probably PRs should just follow their gut so scum don't know what they'll do

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@Kop there's already been plenty of arguing about whether or not we should lynch a lurker, the fact is your posting has had some of the least useful content. What are your reads? Who do you think we should lynch today?

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Call me scum, whatever, going for the easy route to claim say it I know you want too, but I never lie. I'm just a VT.

Sigh. This claim comes across as town...

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Call me scum, whatever, going for the easy route to claim say it I know you want too, but I never lie. I'm just a VT.

Sigh. This claim comes across as town...

I wasn't even gonna ask him to claim tbh and I disagree with your assessment.

I think/have heard town are more likely to claim before L-1 and a VT claim is towny
It might still be a good lynch so that we ensure we don't out a PR, but I'm definitely not scumreading the claim

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I'll be back ~4 hours before deadline
Good with most of the proposed lynches as I've already stated

Agreed with the above DDL lynch

[Irrelephant11]

*DDL read

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Irrelephant: VCA?

Not very helpful till someone flips, but you can expect it D2

Anyone around? I'll hammer in ~20 minutes Kop if not

[Irrelephant11]

What do you think of my take on Irrelephant though?

It nudges me to see him more Towny but only a little. If I’m understanding it correctly you’re saying he’s more static in his votes as scum. Maybe that’s true and I’m wrong about him but not being static feels like something scum could easily do in this game because wagons have been on several players.

I take back the bit I said about him defending me, because after what happened day 1 last game, this could totally be WIFOM

I was going to suspect you of white knighting me , but I'm glad to see the paranoia remains.

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VOTE: Kop

[Irrelephant11]

lololololololol Nauciiiiiii

[Irrelephant11]

Still v proud I was the NK as a VT. I had pretty good reads this game too

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Yeah PRs (especially ejji) did a great job! I wonder if the setup was townsided? But I was impressed with how quickly the game was solved once massclaim started

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Day chat is the best as scum! I’d half your posts don’t go in the day chat do you even have day chat