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Post Post #272 (isolation #0) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:34 pm

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Hello! I'm town.
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Post Post #274 (isolation #1) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:44 pm

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In post 85, Fromage wrote:A lot of Eragon's posts contain only fluff. (, , ) I don't like it. VOTE: Eragon

FOS: Inferno. I don't like how much time he spends defending himself and how little scumhunting he does.
In post 115, Fromage wrote:
In post 101, Egg wrote:Fromage, why does eragons fluff outweigh his content?
Careful. I didn't say Eragon's fluff outweighs his content. I said I don't like his fluff. I'm not even sure if I scumread him.
The backtracking here gives me scummy vibes. The initial read was pretty bad nitpicking, it felt like he decided to scum read someone lynchbaity before he looked for posts to back the read (if you actually look at the posts he's pointing out as "fluff"). 85 is opportunistic imo.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #2) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:45 pm

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Post Post #277 (isolation #3) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:55 pm

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In post 77, BuJaber wrote:I think A50 makes good points but it is the sort of policy case that can easily be pushed by scum.
I feel the same way about A50's case on me. BuJaber seems sufficiently paranoid to be likely town.
In post 86, BuJaber wrote:
In post 79, Eragon wrote:So are you calling A50 mechanical? And is that the towny, scummy, or neither?? Just asking to see your pinion on A50
Unclear yet. I can't determine his intentions based on just this because like I said it is NAI. When he posts more and we get an idea what his motivation is we'll know if it's genuine or not.
I'm interested in following your read on him later as he's a decent scumspect, although I find it tricky to read him this game as this wouldn't be the first time A50 has tunneled someone over semantics as town.
In post 89, BuJaber wrote:
In post 85, Fromage wrote:A lot of Eragon's posts contain only fluff. (, , ) I don't like it. VOTE: Eragon

FOS: Inferno. I don't like how much time he spends defending himself and how little scumhunting he does.
Agree on most posts but 54 feels kind townie. What are your thoughts on it?
I feel like the openess to a read on Eragon is pretty townie from BuJaber here, disagree that fluff posting is a scum crime though. I also like how he probes others for their opinion in what looks like a way to get a read on the questionee.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #4) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:01 pm

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In post 39, Egg wrote:
In post 38, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 33, Inferno390 wrote:Because I find it’s a good way to get out of RVS. Helps me judge interactions and gather info. It hasn’t failed me yet, and I doubt it will start now.
Egg is scum now btw.
VOTE: Egg
I was reffering to you making guesses on roles. Thats almost always proscum behavior, I'm not gonna push you for it tho.
Do you not have any scum reads yet? If not, why no vote on Inferno?
Yuck Manatee looks like scum from the embedded quote alone. I'm liking egg for town even if he's wrong about my slot.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #5) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:04 pm

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In post 54, Eragon wrote:>votes
>says "p.sure this is villa"
If you think someone is villa then why pressure them?

I think this is insightful enough to lump you in the townreads. It's a push on Manatee too so they are not w/w.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #6) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:17 pm

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After quickly skimming ISOs my reads are:

{BuJaber, Egg, Eragon, GameNBurger, Poseidon}
{A50}
{Manatee, Fromage}

GNB's long posts made me lazy so I haven't given transparency on that read or on poseidon, however I will do so on request at a later time if it helps you all to read me.

Would the majority still like me to claim?
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Post Post #283 (isolation #7) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:25 pm

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In post 280, Poseidon wrote:That said, I'm still very sus of your slot @Wh4t due to Inferno's behavior.
That's fine, A50 can be very convincing and I'm not saying the reasons are complete rubbish however I cannot undo what my predecessor has done or speak on his behalf. I will say that before I replace into a game, that I skim the relevant ISO before replacing in as I'm a terrible scum player. Inferno's frustration and stubbornness read town to me and I was right so XD

Pedit: Yes that's the correct order. I will hold off on claiming unless necessary as it would be anti-town to claim early imo.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #8) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:35 pm

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In post 270, LastManStanding wrote:
Votecount 1.6With
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alive, it takes
5
to lynch.

Wh4t
(2): ManateeDude, Poseidon
ManateeDude
(3): Eragon, Egg, BuJaber
GameNBurger
(3): Wh4t, Fromage, Almost50

Not Voting
(1): GameNBurger

Deadline
: (expired on 2018-08-14 08:00:00)
I'll move my vote to VOTE: Fromage but I'd happily move to Manatee once Toranaga confirms he's scum. :P
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Post Post #289 (isolation #9) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:42 pm

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Scummoned.

Tor would you mind repeating what the mod deleted please?
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Post Post #294 (isolation #10) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:53 pm

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In post 290, Toranaga wrote:you get 2 PRs and possible guilties on mafia.
Don't you mean "we?"

I believe you just scum slipped.

VOTE: Toranaga L-1.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:58 pm

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In post 295, Toranaga wrote:in the context where you're actually inferno, that feels pretty bad

you have to realise that's town motivated posting, yes?
A single post doesn't determine alignment. You'll notice he was pushed off his initial victim (Eragon) when his reasons were challenged, so sure he would try better with the next reasoning. A50 weakened my slot's position so the move onto me wasn't any less opportunistic than scumreading someone for fluff posting.

What do you think of poseidons thoughts about him?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #12) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:10 pm

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In post 299, Toranaga wrote:I didn't read anyone else's thoughts on that dude

didn't you replace into this yesterday? why are you posting so very little here?
I'm referring to Poseidon's

I was waiting for the mod to confirm my slot. I don't think it's fair to say I'm posting very little since then lol. If we turn that around, your lack of activity is also suspicious, combine that with you beetlejuicing just now, and we get Toranaga scumcake. I know you're a motivated and active town player in contrast to being a demotivated and lurky scumplayer.

As an aside I'd like some reads from you when you get the chance.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #13) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:13 pm

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In post 302, Toranaga wrote:but I'm not townreading wh4t. for all the reasons someone could probably come up with for scumreading me, "catching" me in a "scumslip" feels disingenuous alongside the way she is pushing eragon.
Where am I pushing Eragon? It's strange that you don't ask for more thoughts on my scumread like Poseidon did, but just jump to the conclusion I'm scum from what I disclosed as a skimming read.

Pedit beetlejuicing is when you appear when you're being talked about.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #14) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:57 pm

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Toranaga you are assessing my playstyle from the viewpoint of my other personality. It wouldn't seem like town me.

I don't believe my reads are bad or that I'm scummy. I think you're making your cake and eating it too by saying my slot is town but I'm scummy. Saying I'm scummy prolongs the existing paranoia around my slot and it's easier to say I'm scummy instead of looking for opportunities to see where I'm not.

I'll see if I can explain my fromage read better.
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Post Post #320 (isolation #15) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:12 pm

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Is there someone in particular you would like to discuss BuJaber? I have expressed my reads up to this point so I don't know who else to talk about that wouldn't be wasting time. I would like A50 to post thoughts about others.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #16) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:37 pm

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Rereading Poseidon I drop him down to a scum read. I don't think I've seen a read from him on anyone else besides myself and the reasons given aren't great either. If I were to concede on fromage, I'd replace him with Poseidon.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:57 pm

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In post 323, Poseidon wrote:OPPORTUNISTIC VOTE Simple phrasing and over-analyzing from your end just makes it seem like you're going for the easy target to get eyes off of you, or even Fromage
The timing of this is strange, I already told you I would do this here:
In post 284, Wh4t wrote:I'll move my vote to VOTE: Fromage but I'd happily move to Manatee once Toranaga confirms he's scum.

So, why is it opportunistic after I change my read of you, rather than when I enter agreeing with the general Manatee scumread?

Not sure how anything I'm doing is taking attention away ftom myself, or why it would make sense to attempt to take attention away from myself when I'm not under any pressure?

The lingering votes on myself from you and Tor give me bad vibes. I don't understand how Tor can say he town reads my slot because of Inferno's replace out and yet keep his vote on me. I don't really understand why Poseidon scumread Inferno?
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Post Post #328 (isolation #18) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:55 am

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In post 327, Toranaga wrote:if you're town, re-read your gameday with the idea that I might be town and you'll see how bad you're playing.
I wasn't aware that catching up on the game and being transparent with my reads is considered playing badly. Have you read some of the posts from Manatee? Can you not see how others might consider your slot scummy?

What are your thoughts on A50?
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Post Post #330 (isolation #19) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:45 am

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In post 329, Toranaga wrote:I didn't read manatee. I'm sure it's a pretty awful ISO.
If you're not calling my read on Manatee bad then what is bad about my play?
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Post Post #352 (isolation #20) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:07 am

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In post 351, Almost50 wrote:Take your time. I'll wait to see what you have to offer.
Why are so scummy A50?
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Post Post #354 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:17 am

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In post 353, Almost50 wrote:
In post 352, Wh4t wrote:
In post 351, Almost50 wrote:Take your time. I'll wait to see what you have to offer.
Why are so scummy A50?
What exactly us scummy about this?
I mean in general. Can you please give some thoughts on Poseidon and Fromage?
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Post Post #359 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:18 pm

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In post 46, Almost50 wrote:Preliminary reads:

BuJ is Town
Egg is Town
Manatee likely Town
In post 107, Almost50 wrote:I stopped paying attention to Inferno's posts already. I would appreciate it if he put Manatee @L-1 though and would state intent myself.
A50 can you help me see what changed your read on manatee between these posts?
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Post Post #360 (isolation #23) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:21 pm

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In post 356, Poseidon wrote:What's with the aggro hunting, Wh@t? And are you seriously surprised I'm skeptical of your spot after all the Inferno antics?
Well done dodging the questions and taking a chance to throw the shade back at me. I'm pretty happy with my read on you.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #24) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:49 pm

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They looked rhetorical to me?
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Post Post #365 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:42 pm

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I'm going to let you answer your own question there pal. I
Here's my updated reads based on recent interactions:

{A50, BuJaber, Eragon, GnB}
{Fromage, Egg}
{Toranaga, Poseidon}

Pretty happy with the L-1 and ready to see a flip but I would like to hear Tor's efforting before someone hammers.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #26) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:32 am

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In post 374, Almost50 wrote:OK. I'll hammer in 5-6 hours. I think that is fair enough for the rest to come online and say a few words if so they wish or intend to.
Tor was a good man, even if he rolled scum. He impacts people everywhere he goes and will be sorely missed. RIP.

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Post Post #379 (isolation #27) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:59 am

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A50 has given intent to hammer Toranaga/Manatee.
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Post Post #383 (isolation #28) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:53 pm

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In post 382, GameNBurger wrote:To reiterate actually for visibility:

WH4T: do you still stand by your claim of Tor scumslipping?
Yes.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #29) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:31 pm

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In post 386, GameNBurger wrote:I really am gonna stick to my gut right now on this, i have a feeling the Tor lynch is gonna happen

I’m surprised the hammer hasn’t dropped yet actually
This is gross. If the Tor lynch is going to happen and you're surprised he hasn't been hammered and you scum read him, the only reason you would be vanity voting elsewhere is that you're scum and not wanting to be on a villa wagon or voting your buddy.
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Post Post #396 (isolation #30) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:53 pm

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In post 393, Toranaga wrote:
In post 392, Wh4t wrote:
In post 386, GameNBurger wrote:I really am gonna stick to my gut right now on this, i have a feeling the Tor lynch is gonna happen

I’m surprised the hammer hasn’t dropped yet actually
This is gross. If the Tor lynch is going to happen and you're surprised he hasn't been hammered and you scum read him, the only reason you would be vanity voting elsewhere is that you're scum and not wanting to be on a villa wagon or voting your buddy.
vanity voting? you're L-1 too my dear
I believe I have 3 votes which would be L-2. Did I miss a vote?
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Post Post #398 (isolation #31) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:55 pm

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A50 hammer him. He's floundering.
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Post Post #403 (isolation #32) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:03 pm

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In post 400, Toranaga wrote:are you scumreading me for any reason outside of manatee and using "you" as a figure of speech?
Can I add: not gamesolving, not assertive, not having fun, stalling.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #33) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:26 pm

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In post 406, Toranaga wrote:take this as a learning experience for when I flip. if you're town, and I hope to god you're not, you've lined yourself up to be mislynched by aggressively wrong tunneling me, and let the gameday be an easy coast as wolves just watch town eat themselves up.
I am town. And I can't take your concern for my slot seriously with your vote on me. I will have no sympathy if you're town because you basically gave up.

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #413 (isolation #34) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:32 pm

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In post 412, Almost50 wrote:P-edit: WTF??? How can you "have no sympathy if he's town because he basically gave up." and unvote him at the same time?
His anger at me is the most genuine thing I've felt from him this game. I need to reprocess this game.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #35) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:38 pm

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In post 421, Almost50 wrote:
In post 413, Wh4t wrote:His anger at me is the most genuine thing I've felt from him this game. I need to reprocess this game.
Have you considered the possibility he might be angry for getting lynched through no fault of his own? I mean, BuJaber explicitly said the vote was bc of Manatee, you were voting him for no good reason (from his own perspective) and so am I.
Yeah. I don't know. I feel bad.
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Post Post #430 (isolation #36) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:41 pm

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In post 425, Wh4t wrote:
In post 421, Almost50 wrote:
In post 413, Wh4t wrote:His anger at me is the most genuine thing I've felt from him this game. I need to reprocess this game.
Have you considered the possibility he might be angry for getting lynched through no fault of his own? I mean, BuJaber explicitly said the vote was bc of Manatee, you were voting him for no good reason (from his own perspective) and so am I.
Yeah. I don't know. I feel bad.
:'(
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Post Post #451 (isolation #37) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:15 pm

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Yeah.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #38) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:30 pm

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In post 452, Toranaga wrote:
In post 451, Wh4t wrote:Yeah.
are you upset with me or something? you've become very nonchalant all of a sudden
No, I'm hungover and disappointed that I misread your slot.

Why do you townread GNB he seems slimy?
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Post Post #456 (isolation #39) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:47 pm

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In post 454, Toranaga wrote:
In post 453, Wh4t wrote:
In post 452, Toranaga wrote:
In post 451, Wh4t wrote:Yeah.
are you upset with me or something? you've become very nonchalant all of a sudden
No, I'm hungover and disappointed that I misread your slot.

Why do you townread GNB he seems slimy?
I was initially townreading him for engaging in metadiving and trying to come up with full wolfteam combinations as hard as he was as early as he was

I liked how he evaluated my slot and his push/interactions with you. him coming back to the "scumslip" post and get you to respond if you still stood by it before voting you reads as a real evaluation. maybe you can't see it from where you stand because it's pushing you on things you believe in, but it resonates strongly and makes a lot of sense to me.

why is he being slimy IYO apart from pushing you?
I just get a weird feeling that he's manipulating people and knows people's alignments. Ill look into him properly later. You know it's easier for me to read people who push me. I thought he was town until he said he was surprised you weren't hammered yet, and his failed attempt to hammer you.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #40) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:13 pm

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Hmm just looked at his ISO I can definitely see townie thoughts in there. So I could be wrong, won't be lynching him today. I'll look at BuJaber next.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #41) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:18 pm

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Yeah Bu is fine. Why were you not townreading him Tor?
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Post Post #462 (isolation #42) » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:37 pm

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In post 84, Fromage wrote:
In post 83, Egg wrote:I think BuJaber is town, but it's not because he reminded the Mod something was missing in the OP.
Why don't you tell us why you think BuJaber is town? Is it because he doesn't want to get townread for asking about the setup?
Dislike Fromage attacking people's townreads and not really giving reads of his own. I feel like scum are more likely to shutdown townreads early in this manner with little follow up. Questionning reads and not coming to any conclusions is a good way to avoid backing yourself into a corner as scum, and it also gives the appearance of scum hunting.
In post 87, Fromage wrote:
In post 80, ManateeDude wrote:Thinking eragons towny and inferno is weirdy
Could you please elaborate a bit why you think eragon is towny?
In post 112, Almost50 wrote:
In post 111, GameNBurger wrote:
In post 107, Almost50 wrote:I stopped paying attention to Inferno's posts already. I would appreciate it if he put Manatee @L-1 though and would state intent myself.
Question: why not vote manatee yourself?
Well, because I firmly believe in lynching a VT claim on D1. This will force the Scum to claim a PR (the PR they're immune to) as a last resort before they eat rope. I am already on Inferno though, so can't do that to him, but if Manatee is @L-1 and claims VT I'm going to hammer him.
I'm concerned that this eagerness to hammer early into D1 is coming from scum A50. I don't believe a townie would call intent to hammer someone without a superstrong case beforehand, which again is impossible this early. Another problem with this post is that he says it's strategic to make scum claim PR, but that doesn't outweigh the loss of an actual VT. He's also shooting himself in the foot by telling everyone his plan to trap a fale claim instead of just doing something covert and clever, which he's more than capable of.
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Post Post #477 (isolation #43) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:38 am

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I'm confused why you keep reiterating your town read on me whilst keeping your vote there? I look forward to your catch up please do soon.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #44) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:41 am

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Bu, we only get two mislynches. Even if Tor is scum we need as much info as we can get to nail the buddy. If not his thoughts as town are valuable so I'd rather let him give thoughts on everybody.

BuJaber who would be your secpnd choice for a lynch today?
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Post Post #485 (isolation #45) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:01 pm

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I'm happy lynching in A50, Poseidon today.

VOTE: A50
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Post Post #487 (isolation #46) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:10 pm

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In post 486, Toranaga wrote:
In post 485, Wh4t wrote:I'm happy lynching in A50, Poseidon today.

VOTE: A50
I was under the impression you townread A50

what changed?
I've talked a lot about A50. Please read my ISO.

I started off suspicious, put him as null/scumish. Asked him why he was scummy and town read him for his push back onto me. I then said I was concerned about A50 being scum because of his lynch happy posts.
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Post Post #489 (isolation #47) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:22 pm

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In post 482, Almost50 wrote:P-edit: Oh, well. Tor caught me red handed. What can I do? *Shrug*
What even is this?
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Post Post #495 (isolation #48) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:59 pm

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A50 what does Duck have to do with me reading you correctly?
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Post Post #504 (isolation #49) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:22 pm

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In post 498, Almost50 wrote:
In post 495, Wh4t wrote:A50 what does Duck have to do with me reading you correctly?
Is your connection THAT slow or are you amnesiac and have just remembered it?
Lol. Dude I just remembered you saying that and it made me wonder if you knew who I was.
In post 499, Almost50 wrote:
In post 495, Wh4t wrote:A50 what does Duck have to do with me reading you correctly?
In fact, what does this question have to do with your read on me? How will my answer help you get an accurate read on me?
I have no idea what Duck had to do with anything do I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. If it helps me get a read on you, by being a relevant reference to a past ge we've played then cool.
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Post Post #505 (isolation #50) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:23 pm

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I'm so eloquent.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #51) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:29 pm

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Spoiler:
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Post Post #512 (isolation #52) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:36 pm

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In post 510, Almost50 wrote:
In post 504, Wh4t wrote:Lol. Dude I just remembered you saying that and it made me wonder if you knew who I was.
In that case, I do. I even said something like "isn't it always the case that you find me scummy?" because you do.
It is safer to find people scummy when I respect their play. It doesn't mean I'm not trying to sort you, which makes it difficult when you're avoiding interactions with me. I would've appreciated a reasonable response to you calling for a lynch on a claimed VT so early.

Although your "lynch the VT" plan seems clever, you're assuming that scum are rational enough to see the optimal play here. Another problem is that now scum are aware of the plan it would actually be safer to claim VT than PR and hope they can blend in and avoid being lynched.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #53) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:42 pm

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VOTE: Poseidon

I also feel like Tor isn't really reading the game and interacting with me like I'd expect him to but I don't want to believe he would call me shit as scum just to avoid being lynched. I think it's better not to touch egg or Fromage today but I would like Fromage to catch up soon.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #54) » Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:50 pm

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In post 514, Toranaga wrote:I just ISO'd poseidon and have no idea what possessed me to townread it
Yay. Jump on.
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Post Post #532 (isolation #55) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:31 pm

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Someone take this to L-1 please. More pressure could be useful.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #56) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:44 pm

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In post 534, Poseidon wrote:I got nothing here. You all are clearly missing your target and it's not like I have any ground of evidence since this is behavioral based and we're still in D1. Just because Wh4t is good at passing off as a townread doesn't excuse Inferno's actions prior. It's still the same slot.
Poseidon could you please give brief reasons for your reads? I don't see anything about your townreads in your ISO. I also don't understand how you call a vote from Tor opportunistic but then leave him in your nullreads?

Could you please explain why you personally scumread Inferno? I get a strong feeling from your reaslist and lack of reasoning that you're following the opinions of the crowd.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #57) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:47 pm

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It also makes no sense that you would scumread Fromage off the back of my read on him, when you scumread me.

A townie would not listen to reasoning from a scumread imo, and you seem very convinced the Inferno slot is scum just for flip-flopping in RVS which isn't even really scummy but actually generates game content.
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Post Post #538 (isolation #58) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:59 pm

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Ok. I'll have to meta dive you I think.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #59) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:08 pm

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Well you technically have no meta which sucks.
In post 537, Poseidon wrote:Inferno was mad flailing and refusing to reveal role when under an L-1 pressure and asked by multiple players. And we were past RVS.
You voted him before that point. Why would someone flail from either alignment perspective in that spot do you think?
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Post Post #541 (isolation #60) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:52 pm

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I don't understand how any of that is actually scummy though? Changing votes is NAI and can even be interpreted as townie when you consider that scum are much more self-conscious and by extension, more likely to be more careful with their votes.

Refusing to claim is also more likely to be a townie act early D1 because it deprives scum of information, making it more likely they will not run up other people in a PR hunt. The stubbornness inferno showed is also extremely towny, he's not bending to please the majority and sticks his neck out in a way scum might be hesitant to.

To assume any of these actions are scummy seems short sighted and superficial. This could be because you're returning after a long break or because you're scum looking for the easy target. But you need to look at the intent not the surface layer actions.

I don't feel any real frustration from you either which is a red flag for me when someone is L-1. It just feels like you're hoping to reason your way out of it and like you're just pleading. I think you're much better at coveying emotion than what you're showing this game.
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Post Post #545 (isolation #61) » Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:12 pm

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The inability to express genuine reactions is totally AI. How do you explain Toranaga's reaction to the derp hammer?
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Post Post #548 (isolation #62) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:58 am

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In post 546, Poseidon wrote:I think what you call an “inability to express genuine reactions” is really more of a “genuine indifference after 9 days of nothing” but hey whatever helps you sleep at night
How do you expect something to happen when you're not doing anything? This game is apathetic as shit but yeah give up that totally makes more things happen. I've had to literally force crappy reasoning out of you by putting you to L-1, I tell you why your scumread makes no sense, but instead of reviewing your read on my slot and working with me to find actual scum you just say lynch me which is antitown af if you are town so you can blame yourself buddy.

I mean eragon has lost his WIM, Bu has selective answering problems, Fromage is perpetually in random catch up mode, Toranaga is VLA, Egg and you are low posters and I still don't fully trust A50 or Burger so wtf is going on with this game and how do I squeeze a decent lynch when it's like trying to squeeze blood out of rocks. I'm at the point where I don't either so someone else can take the reigns.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #63) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:58 am

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Ok. Let's do it.

VOTE: Toranaga
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Post Post #565 (isolation #64) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:44 pm

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I just want to end the day now tbh. This game is frustrating. You would be the best info lynch though so sorry if you're town, I would've loved for us to own this game. Watching the people who resisted the Poseidon lynch and people give reasons for lynching you will be very telling in later days. If you do flip scum then that's just gravy as you've given info that hard clears Poseidon and A50. I'd also think it's very unlikely Egg is your buddy too.
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Post Post #566 (isolation #65) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:44 pm

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In post 550, Eragon wrote:Happy scum day Wh4t.
Thank you :)
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Post Post #567 (isolation #66) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:49 pm

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Tor what do you think about Poseidon's reaction to being at L-1?
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Post Post #594 (isolation #67) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:40 pm

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UNVOTE:

Maybe we should just flashwagon Fromage since he's the one actively avoiding being caught up. I wouldn't mind piling on BuJaber to see what happens either. I think Poseidon is just tonedeaf at this point.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #68) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:46 pm

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Poseidon, as scum why would I not lynch Toranaga? Why would I ask for you to be put to L-1, intentionally not ask for a claim and assess your reaction before jumping off? My play makes zero sense as scum.
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Post Post #598 (isolation #69) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:55 pm

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VOTE: Fromage
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Post Post #600 (isolation #70) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:01 pm

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If Tor and Pose are both town and I'm hard townreading Eragon and Egg, neutral on A50 then my top scumspects are BuJaber, Burger and Fromage. Since Fromage and Burger are unlikely scum partners due to Burger scumreading Fromage, that leaves BuJaber and Burger.

If one flips scum the other is very likely scum too imo.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #71) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:01 pm

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Fromage don't claim but please give reads on everyone so far.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #72) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:04 pm

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Voting and pushing people is my way of figuring things out lol. I think we might have a solid townblock if we've read Tor and Pose right.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #73) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:12 pm

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VOTE: GameNBurger
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Post Post #611 (isolation #74) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:38 pm

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You shouldn't have claimed tbh. If Burger lynched you before anyone else had a say he would've outted himself as scum. Thinking back it's weird that noone asked Pose to claim yet Tor, myself and you were asked.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #75) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:37 pm

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True, but if you were caught up you would know that we have put people to L-1, discussed and then moved on. There is no need to refuse either. Fromage thoughts on BuJaber and Burger? Also, could you expand on why you find Eragon and Pose scummy? It is likely your last night, so it would be nice to hear your thoughts and maybe a ranking of your reads.
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Post Post #620 (isolation #76) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:41 pm

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In post 616, BuJaber wrote:Though after the fromage wagon eragon has surpassed anyone's scumminess.
Why?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #77) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:57 pm

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I think there's enough info now to finish the game based on these amazing EOD wagons. I don't care who we lynch anymore but I'm 100% sure Tor is not scum based on many games playing together. I believe fromage 100% so never lynch him if scum leave him. I suspected he was a PR earlier when I said it would be safer to leave him but the random appearances became strange and I wanted decent content without a claim. I would bet the game on Egg being town too.

No matter what happens now I think town should have the game in the bag once flips and NKs happen. So glgl.

I think flipping burger is the optimal move rn so I'll stay here.
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Post Post #623 (isolation #78) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:08 pm

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If Burger flips red go BuJaber. If he flips green go Eragon/Pose.
If you lynch Eragon and he flips red go Pose > A50. If he flips green go Burger > BuJaber.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #79) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:34 pm

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In post 624, Poseidon wrote:So what makes you believe fromage 100%? Is is the lack of substance behind his statements? His blanket claim of PR? You "suspected" he was PR because of lurking, but claimed I was scumlurking? What is the deal here???
Obviously I haven't explained myself well. At first I nitpicked his ISO noticing discrepancies between reads, but after reviewing it a few times I liked how he scumread Eragon contrary to the crowd and a lot of his thoughts hit on good points without an agenda or a need to look towny - this is when I said it would be safer not to lynch him. I said that because he seems very town but was lurking so I assumed the scumminess I picked up mightve been them being PR. Obviously I did not voice this before Fromage claimed because I did not want to out a potential PR. After the clusterfuck of L-1s and the reads I was getting off reactions I didn't mind putting pressure on fromage and I explicitly said don't claim when he was put to L-1 but it happened anyway. If he hadnt been so random in what posts he did catch up then I wouldn't have felt the need to pressure him for reads.

Overall your ISO is not towny Pose in that it doesn't feel like you were scumhunting, but I think you might just have difficulty communicating. In hindsight you continuing to tunnel me could be considered towny but idk.
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Post Post #629 (isolation #80) » Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:40 pm

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Oh there's the possibility Eragon is buddies with Burger too.
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Post Post #637 (isolation #81) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:01 am

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In post 633, BuJaber wrote:We gave him the benefit of the doubt that the first time was because of the meta of his homesite. But now it's getting rediculous. He continues to push people to L-1 then backing off and moving to another target.
I'm doing this too?
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Post Post #638 (isolation #82) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:06 am

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In post 635, BuJaber wrote:Wh4t - If Eragon flips green you would still townread Tor?
Yes. I can see why you think Tor is scummy and I'd be happy to review the read if we're both still here tomorrow but I just don't think he's scum at all. If he is kudos to him because his scum game has improved greatly.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #83) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:07 am

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Why can't they both be town though? Is there something that screams TvS to you?
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Post Post #640 (isolation #84) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:20 am

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In post 636, BuJaber wrote:I'm town, wh4t's town, pos looks town, fromage is town.

IF wh4t is actually right and both Eragon and Tora are town then A50 is confscum imo.

But that would be impossible. No sane person can townread both eragon and tor right now. AT LEAST 1 is scum.
So Burger and Egg aren't town to you? How does that leave only A50?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #85) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:11 am

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I guess your moonlogic could be townie? We're not exactly playing badly if this game is tilted in our favour now. Say Tor and I are town, we both replaced into heavily scrutinised slots and now we're doing pretty well at not getting lynched. A50 is A50 he's not playing badly and some of his posts look towny so we leave him until late game assuming we lynch at least one scum.

Even though we've outted one PR I'm fairly confident we win from here.

Townish - Toranaga, Fromage, Egg, Poseidon
Null scumish - A50, BuJaber, Eragon
Scum - Burger

I'll reassess the null scum and decide on two at some point. I think you might be wrong on Eragon because of his fake hammer and him asking A50 to unvote when someone was at L-1 but I'll review.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #86) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:57 am

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In post 648, Almost50 wrote:Eragon asked me to unvote Inferno (now Wh4t). This doesn't make me feel comfortable calling Wh4t town. Then again, maybe Inferno being stubborn about not claiming gave Eragon the impression he might be a VT? I wouldn't make that assumption myself if I was Eragon, but maybe he did and maybe Wh4t is town. *Shrug*

I'm concerned you're not strong townreading me by now A50. Also, the PR speculation here is weird in that I wouldn't expect a townie to think about my likelihood of being a PR and then to bring it up unprompted as a reason to shade Eragon, when I haven't claimed. You seem to be thinking from the POV of scum here.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #87) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:01 am

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Eragon why do you townread Burger?
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Post Post #670 (isolation #88) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:02 pm

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Post Post #677 (isolation #89) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:13 pm

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In post 676, Eragon wrote:
In post 661, Almost50 wrote:@GnB & @Poseidon: I need you two to cote Eragon or give reason not to.
This post is scummy enough by itself
It's not really scummy because he's clearly testing his associative reads.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #90) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:13 pm

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I'd still like to know why you townread Burger Eragon?
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Post Post #683 (isolation #91) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:58 pm

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In post 672, Eragon wrote:Those “association” lists with every single chance of inferno buddy never comes from scum knowing inferno is town, becuase then all that energy is wasted and nothing happens
Oh I did miss it. I've seen the association thing done by scum on town before and there's the short-term gain of being townread D1. I guess I just didn't like his behaviour around the fake hammer and around Fromage's claim. I like how fromage said he does more work than is necessary like he trying hard to look town.

I've not seen any attempt for him to sort me or any real scum hunting aside from preflip associations.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #92) » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:00 pm

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I think we need to consolidate with one day left guys.

#VC please
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Post Post #690 (isolation #93) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:26 am

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Poseidon why are you still on Fromage? Toranaga you should also hop off there buddy.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #94) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:56 am

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Mmm resin.
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Post Post #727 (isolation #95) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:59 am

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Lol, just woke up. I can see A50 being scum but I wanted to leave him until later.

Why are you guys scum reading Bu? I keep flip flopping on him.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #96) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:43 am

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I just don't see why scum would attempt the fake hammer on Tor? Scum do not have daychat so it's unlikely it was orchestrated between them. There is no reason for scum to fake hammer because if the target spews town when they believe they are hammered then they've shot themselves in the foot by giving everyone a lock townread.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #97) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:52 am

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The only feasible reason why scum Eragon would fake hammer is if Toranaga is scum with him and they managed to mindmeld the whole thing without discussion. I believe occams razor dictates that Eragon is simply town.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #98) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:20 pm

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Ok I'm willing to lynch Eragon but if he flips town, I'm looking at you A50 because you casing him but not voting him until others agree is scummy af.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #99) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:50 pm

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Sorry if you're town Eragon. I think this is better than lynching Tor rn because he will become obvious later. It is on the wikipage that lynching town is better than a no lynch in terms of town win rates. We need the info and your flip will hard clear some people whilst condemning others.

VOTE: Eragon
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Post Post #774 (isolation #100) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:56 pm

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If for some strange reason I'm the NK, please make sure Tor is actively game solving in later days. He is a strong passionate player and his level of disinterest is AI.

Make sure Fromage claims and if he is counter claimed please review all the claimant's ISOs to find the actual scum.

Make sure BuJaber and Pose are sorted tomorrow too. VCA will help a lot with all the wagons we've had today.
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Post Post #775 (isolation #101) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:57 pm

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In post 773, Eragon wrote:and if you think im town, then why arent you voting A50, who has the same number of votes and just as viable of a wagon
Reasons that will become apparent tomorrow.
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Post Post #778 (isolation #102) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:02 pm

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I can't elaborate Eragon and I don't know if A50 is scum yet. I would rather lynch between you and Tor.
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Post Post #804 (isolation #103) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:29 pm

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In post 802, Poseidon wrote:
In post 798, Eragon wrote:and you keep saying that yet you havent even voted me once.
He's just lurking to see if a train forms against you so he can hammer and get you out.
????
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Post Post #827 (isolation #104) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:51 pm

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In post 805, Eragon wrote:basically saying that he doesnt want to get my wagon started but if people agree he will hammer and blend in with the majority
Poseidon I take it that you're scum reading A50 and town reading Eragon?
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Post Post #830 (isolation #105) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:53 pm

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Please don't self-hammer. I need to see who votes along with A50.
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Post Post #832 (isolation #106) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:54 pm

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Ok just in case you get frustrated lol.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #107) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:55 pm

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Poseidon why are you still voting Fromage??
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Post Post #928 (isolation #108) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:58 pm

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In post 891, GameNBurger wrote:VOTE: eragon

If you’re really town you’re going to gambit us into a loss

My only qualms voting you was you not having claimed yet

And you couldn’t even keep that straight
This is the real scum peeps.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #109) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:00 pm

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Burger + Pose or BuJaber.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #110) » Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:06 pm

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Tracker - would be good to clear in BuJaber/Burger/Poseidon. Watcher would be best on Fromage *wink wink*
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Post Post #938 (isolation #111) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:26 pm

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Well I'm glad Fromage died so we don't have to sort out that mess today.

Thoughts incoming.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #112) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:40 pm

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In post 254, LastManStanding wrote:
Votecount 1.6With
9
alive, it takes
5
to lynch.

Inferno390
(3): ManateeDude, Poseidon, GameNBurger
ManateeDude
(3): Eragon, Egg, BuJaber
GameNBurger
(3): Inferno390, Fromage, Almost50

Deadline
: (expired on 2018-08-14 08:00:00)
In post 269, LastManStanding wrote:
Wh4t replaces Inferno390!
In post 270, LastManStanding wrote:
Votecount 1.6With
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5
to lynch.

Wh4t
(2): ManateeDude, Poseidon
ManateeDude
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GameNBurger
(3): Wh4t, Fromage, Almost50

Not Voting
(1): GameNBurger

Deadline
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In post 317, LastManStanding wrote:
Votecount 1.7With
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alive, it takes
5
to lynch.

Wh4t
(2): Toranaga, Poseidon
Toranaga
(4): Eragon, Egg, BuJaber, Wh4t (L-1)
GameNBurger
(2): Fromage, Almost50

Not Voting
(1): GameNBurger

Deadline
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If you look at the movement of burger here, that slot is clearly scum. He sat on my slot since day start but when I replaced in he unvoted. It reads like he didn't want to bring negative attention to himself, so hopped off before he would come under scrutiny from the replacement. When people were still afraid I was scummy he eventually did hop back on - following town consensus. He hasn't really engaged me or tried to get a read on my slot. Particularly concerning is that he was so convinced my slot was scum he put a lot of energy into going through possible scum buddies which reads as false confidence when he so readily unvoted me when I was only at L-2.

What's also interesting to note is that there were 3 tied wagons on myself, Tor and burger. When you try to sort the wagons you want to look for counterwagons. I think there is at least one scum on Tor when he moves to L-1 - I'm looking at BuJaber in particular but will look deeper into it. Burger actually tried to hammer Tor's slot when at L-1 but in his haste he typo'd and the lynch didn't go through, which is a classic counterwagon to scum move.

His lurking around people when they were at L-1 reads terribly as well.
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Post Post #940 (isolation #113) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:42 pm

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VOTE: Burger
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Post Post #941 (isolation #114) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:50 pm

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Poseidon is lock town for keeping his vote on Fromage imo, scum would've jumped off I think.
A50 you have some explaining to do about your sudden confidence in Eragon being scum.
Tor I need you to post, would love your thoughts.
Egg it would be nice if you could join the party too.
BuJaber some reads from you would be great.
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Post Post #945 (isolation #115) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:46 pm

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In post 942, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: almost50

lynch bujaber tomorrow
In post 943, Toranaga wrote:burger is ~never scum

Can you please elaborate?
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Post Post #947 (isolation #116) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:52 pm

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Goddammit I effing knew it but ate the AtE like a lovesick puppy.

VOTE: Toranaga Eff you.

Now A50, BuJaber are lock town. So Egg then?
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Post Post #948 (isolation #117) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:53 pm

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Egg or Burger...
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Post Post #950 (isolation #118) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:55 pm

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It explains the terrible vote Burger made when tor was at L-1. How do you even go vote then /unvote accidentally?
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Post Post #953 (isolation #119) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:58 pm

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When I first came into this game I gut scumread A50 and Tor. If it's both of them I'd be very sad for not wanting to follow my gut there. Not sure why Tor keeps pushing for an A50 lynch? He did so EOD and now, so it seems like unnecessary distancing. Not sure Tor spews Burger town here too, although he said the same thing about fromage so *shrug*

Im really sad. I will let you nonfools solve the game.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #120) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:05 pm

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The reason I voted Eragon was because it looked like A50 crumbed tracker earlier in his ISO. If BuJaber is the tracker I have no qualms putting him on the block either.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #121) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:07 pm

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I said EOD I couldn't elaborate but it felt like A50 was setting up for a claim and I had a feeling it would resolve today. If Bu is tracker A50 has set himself up to counterclaim as scum imo.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #122) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:10 pm

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In post 104, Almost50 wrote:I can't stand this indecision
Married with a lack of vision

Everybody needs to state a case
(and I mean a real one now if you want me to follow your vote).
Here poseidon.
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Post Post #970 (isolation #123) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:24 pm

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For future reference never back down from a scumslip no matter how stupid people tell you, you are.

In post 382, GameNBurger wrote:To reiterate actually for visibility:

WH4T: do you still stand by your claim of Tor scumslipping?
In post 386, GameNBurger wrote:I gotta agree with Tor on this one, that makes your slot feel miles worse because it’s just too stupid
Also, it's not Egg:
In post 343, Egg wrote:
In post 342, Toranaga wrote:
In post 337, Egg wrote:Hmm. I can't think of a reason why scum would claim VT the way Tora just did. But Manatee was scummy and I don't like him keeping his vote on a town read and don't think there's a better option so I'll stay there. I think he's more likely scum than wh4t. Game....meh. I could see him being scum but don't feel strongly enough about that to switch at this time.
well you see, I'm keeping the vote on wh4t for the same reason you're keeping the vote on me. there's no better option so we're both staying where we were.
Meh, I guess. I still think you are more likely to flip scum than anyone else though.
So go Toranaga > Burger.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #124) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:27 pm

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Tor stop. You have to die today and you know it. I'm sad enough as it is without you flailing.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #125) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:34 pm

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Great posting Pose!

When you flip BuJaber is conf. Scum.
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Post Post #976 (isolation #126) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:35 pm

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Err..the last sentence was a Pedit. And that's if Tor flips town which seems unlikely at this point.
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Post Post #979 (isolation #127) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:38 pm

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Lol yeah. I'm happy going either A50 or Burger if Tor flips red.
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Post Post #982 (isolation #128) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:42 pm

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Town BuJaber wouldn't pull that gambit ime. He's either tracker or scum.
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Post Post #986 (isolation #129) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:07 pm

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In post 984, Poseidon wrote:
In post 982, Wh4t wrote:Town BuJaber wouldn't pull that gambit ime. He's either tracker or scum.
Not pointing the finger against Bu, but wouldn’t a town lynch today damn near solidify a scum win?

Down to
4 VT
1 PR
2 Scum

Lynch a townie, we’re down to 3 town 2 scum. And then it’s LyLo.
It's no biggie if Tor flips town because then we lynch Bu and the following Lylo should be pretty black and white when town considers the NKs and reasons about who would leave the remaing townies as scum.

Lynch Town today > NK > 3T:2S > Lynch Bu > NK > 2T:1S.

If Bu is town, as well as Tor (99% sure this is not the case) then he pulled the worst gambit possible and is responsible for game throwing.
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Post Post #988 (isolation #130) » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:11 pm

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Lmao.
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #131) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:48 am

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In post 1017, Almost50 wrote:
In post 982, Wh4t wrote:Town BuJaber wouldn't pull that gambit ime. He's either tracker or scum.
Scum??? You think scum would be trying to bait a Tracker CC when they've already shot the Watcher? Like, the Tracker immune goon can do all their kills safely while the other just enjoys the ride.

Let's see.. why won't they just lynch ME today and shoot YOU tonight? You're the one being vocal about BuJ being a suspect. Explain that move from a scum perspective and I might reconsider. :roll:

A50 I'm glad you're here. You misunderstood, I was replying to Tor, I believe Bu's claim. Tor was trying to say the result was fake and Bu could be a VT so I'm saying no he's tracker or scum no two ways about it.

If you're town it's Burger. Unlikely to be Pose with how quickly Tor jumped on his wagon yesterday.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #132) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:54 am

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In post 325, Toranaga wrote:
In post 323, Poseidon wrote:
In post 288, Toranaga wrote: in before you're the one who replaced into a mafia slot
Possible scumslip?
ugh this is something personal with wh4t and idk, maybe she can clarify? anyway it refers to a past conversation we had privately and I understand how it looks weird without context
In post 326, Toranaga wrote:
In post 323, Poseidon wrote: Easy claim, not convinced.

READS

Burger/A50/Buj

Egg/Tor/Eragon

Fro/Wh4t
if only I had randed PR instead.
Actually this is pretty bad. Pose shades Tor > Null reads him.
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #133) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 368, Toranaga wrote:
In post 365, Wh4t wrote:I'm going to let you answer your own question there pal. I
Here's my updated reads based on recent interactions:

{A50, BuJaber, Eragon, GnB}
{Fromage, Egg}
{Toranaga, Poseidon}

Pretty happy with the L-1 and ready to see a flip but I would like to hear Tor's efforting before someone hammers.
"they're wolfreading me so they must be a wolf!"

poseidon's interactions with wh4t are pretty villagery from poseidon's side and if wh4t was even remotely trying to solve the game instead of OMGUSing everyone who scumreads her she'd have picked up on that.

this is openwolfing and it's really really poor effort at that.
Tor defending Pose, before he jumps on his wagon with the explanation of "I don't know what possessed me to townread him"
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Post Post #1033 (isolation #134) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:58 am

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In post 408, Toranaga wrote:GNB, why do you think it's a "weird" gambit to claim VT as VT when at L-1? what part of claiming VT is a gambit, anyway?
Ok fine it's not burger D:
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #135) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:04 am

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In post 441, Toranaga wrote:
In post 436, GameNBurger wrote:He didn’t buy it and it totally does

That and when you said to not resubmit it’s a bit obvious

I actually bought it, I didn't remember eragon was voting me

Not burger....

Pose + Tor interactions:
Spoiler:
In post 517, Toranaga wrote:VOTE: poseidon
In post 530, Toranaga wrote:
In post 521, Poseidon wrote:Alright Poseidon train! Let me get all caught up before you set me ablaze please.
this never happened

catch up before we set you ablaze please
In post 568, Toranaga wrote:I got caught up in something but still around

wh4t: WRT poseidon's posting near hammer, it looks genuine. his posting otherwise has been pretty poor, he only showed up to defend himself and promised reads he never made. he is probably never town PR if he is town cause he just invited the lynch without claiming or softing anything as well. if you're legitimately townreading poseidon for that, you're disregarding two weeks of mafia playing to townread fakeable emotions someone is having near lynch. his activity is the most telling thing about his slot and it's wolfy. poseidon is definitely around lurking because he conveniently shows up when he is a wagon, and then he disappears again when heat gets off him. there's no interest in solving the game. he is voting your slot since inferno was playing and never reevaluated on it, which is pretty telling.
In post 577, Toranaga wrote:
In post 574, Poseidon wrote:
In post 568, Toranaga wrote:I got caught up in something but still around

wh4t: WRT poseidon's posting near hammer, it looks genuine. his posting otherwise has been pretty poor, he only showed up to defend himself and promised reads he never made. he is probably never town PR if he is town cause he just invited the lynch without claiming or softing anything as well. if you're legitimately townreading poseidon for that, you're disregarding two weeks of mafia playing to townread fakeable emotions someone is having near lynch. his activity is the most telling thing about his slot and it's wolfy. poseidon is definitely around lurking because he conveniently shows up when he is a wagon, and then he disappears again when heat gets off him. there's no interest in solving the game. he is voting your slot since inferno was playing and never reevaluated on it, which is pretty telling.
I mean, I’m phoneposting unless it’s after 9pm (pacific time) and it’s a hassle to post from phone as we all know. But yeah totally call it convenient showing up. I’ve only been wagoned once now? Haven’t “disappeared” once the heat is off.

And now wh4t is just aiming at you for sake of ending d1 with no solid backing? If wh4t wasn’t scum, then why the hurry to get on a wagon? I realize I just complained about nothing happening; sue me. I’m not changing up my votes just to end the day.
you disappeared right before wh4t and a50 shifted from you and just posted again now that I cased you. so you're definitely around and you're reading but only posting to defend yourself.

also you promised to read the game and post your thoughts yes? are you going to do that?


Hmm. Will have to relook at egg perhaps.
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #136) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:52 pm

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Once egg posts I say we end the day.
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #137) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:18 pm

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It's not so much to be sure as it is that I want to hear from Egg soon and don't want to spend another day chasing my tail getting confused by everyone. Scum have to shoot BuJaber to stay hidden imo, if they shoot someone else they risk outting themselves.

A50 can you please make a case on Pose?
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Post Post #1043 (isolation #138) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:36 pm

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Ok ty. I guess we just need to make sure everyone is in agreement with the play. I don't want to leave two scum with the possibility of swaying one townie at Lylo. Everyone has to voice agreement to lynching Tor tomorrow.
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #139) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:45 pm

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Egg when you're on can you please confirm that you do not CC the tracker claim?
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #140) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:33 pm

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I just don't see the advantage to risking a mislynch today? I mean if we lynch Tor then we confirm 100% Bu is town, we have more townies to help narrow down the scumteam, and we have the comfort of a mislynch tomorrow.

It may be more fun to play in the less optimal way you propose but we'd be tilting the advantage in scum's favour and I would hate to become so overconfident in my reads that I gamble away the inevitable victory we would've had by playing traditionally.

My extreme paranoia of you is saying that it is still possible you're scum with Tor, and you are tilting the odds in your favour (by keeping town in Lylo) because it is unlikely you will be lynched if you dictate the play today.
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #141) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:40 pm

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In post 1047, Almost50 wrote:the unlikely (they shoot me instead of you),
Why is it more likely that scum would shoot me over you?
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Post Post #1052 (isolation #142) » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:02 pm

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In post 1051, BuJaber wrote:Tor gave up and claimed scum. That's why A50's plan works.

You don't need a flip to believe me.

Under normal circumstances yes we'd have to go for the normal lynch and confirm my allignment.

Anyway we can lynch Tor if you want. It makes little difference.
I'm pretty certain you're the tracker. My point was that how is it the best plan for town. For all we know A50 is scum trying to leverage his team out of a loss.

If Pose is town we're at lylo tomorrow and A50 says he's sure Pose is scum but keeps planning for us to be at lylo tomorrow. I mean I know I'm being paranoid but you have to admit it's a possibility, so the best play albeit boring play, is to lynch Tor today and be certain of the final two suspects. It'd be great if everyone could say their lynch preferences with reason rather than leaving it up to whomever is at Lylo.
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Post Post #1060 (isolation #143) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:52 am

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Fine let's lynch Pose.

VOTE: Poseidon
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #144) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:45 pm

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What? The game isn't over bro.
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #145) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:34 pm

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Oh...nice! Great read A50.
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #146) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:35 pm

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Well played BuJaber and A50. Joint MVP?
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #147) » Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:24 pm

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In post 365, Wh4t wrote:I'm going to let you answer your own question there pal. I
Here's my updated reads based on recent interactions:

{A50, BuJaber, Eragon, GnB}
{Fromage, Egg}
{Toranaga, Poseidon}

Pretty happy with the L-1 and ready to see a flip but I would like to hear Tor's efforting before someone hammers.
I wish I backed myself more. AtE works way too well on me. Something to improve on.
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