Open 731: Twin Trap (Game Over)

[Wh4t]

Mmm resin.

[Toranaga]

Mmm resin.

oh good stuff wh4t

blazed much?

[Wh4t]

Lol, just woke up. I can see A50 being scum but I wanted to leave him until later.

Why are you guys scum reading Bu? I keep flip flopping on him.

[Eragon]

Wh4t, think of it this way

Do you want to lynch A50 or Tor

Cuz those are the two viable wagons rn

[Toranaga]

pretty sure bujaber is a viable wagon

[Toranaga]

Lol, just woke up. I can see A50 being scum but I wanted to leave him until later.

Why are you guys scum reading Bu? I keep flip flopping on him.

other people got townier and he got wolfier the more we played this gameday

I either don't care or dislike everything he posted recently

[Eragon]

Votecount 1.12

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Wh4t

(1): GameNBurger

Toranaga

(2): Almost50, Egg

GameNBurger

(1): Wh4t

Fromage

(2): Toranaga, Poseidon

Eragon

(2): BuJaber, Fromage

Almost50

(1): Eragon

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-08-14 08:00:00)

Based on this votecpunt ???

[Toranaga]

most people are around, so it's a matter of who we are fine with lynching and I think most of us is fine with lynching bujaber

[Toranaga]

I'm leaving for a couple of hours

[Fromage]

Why do I scumread Eragon?

In 551 he scumreads me. Initially people ignore him and he doesn't vote me. The "hopefully" announced elaboration also doesn't materialise. Then he happily joins the pressure wagon but doesn't clarify whether he actually thinks I'm scum or if he just wants to get me talking. 571 After I claim his scumread of me is totally gone. That's weird.

The mod called Eragon out for some emotional posts. 689 These don't fit well together with his statements that he completely lost his "WIM". Why would an indifferent player get so worked up?

When I attacked Eragon for fluffposting, he stopped doing it. But after I explained I wasn't really scumreading him, he resumed.
He seems to care how others read him.

What I mentioned earlier:

@A50 do you mind unvoting

I don’t like someone just sitting at L-1, becuase scum can quickhammer if they want(bad idea, but still)

You are also the one I trust most on the wagon, so I am comfortable leaving you with a vote
Manatee is scummy IME, I don’t know how to feel about burger, and Poseidon is legit null.

A50 obliges and unvotes inferno.

Spoiler:

INFERNO WHEN YOU SEE THIS... CLAIM YOUR FULL ROLE, OR WE WILL LYNCH YOU BLIND

/vote Inferno

this is L-1

There weren't a lot of posts in between. In 61, 135 and 154 Eragon also mentioned that he doesn't want to have a quickhammer. Keep in mind that a50 threatened quickhammers all the time. Changing your mind on such a fundamental question might be indication of scum-motivation.


I also agree with A50 that there are some posts which look townie at first. But actually these posts might be written by scum in order to get towncred. 118, 377 and 415 fit in this pattern

[Fromage]

So please vote Eragon or at least explain why you think I'm wrong.

[Wh4t]

I just don't see why scum would attempt the fake hammer on Tor? Scum do not have daychat so it's unlikely it was orchestrated between them. There is no reason for scum to fake hammer because if the target spews town when they believe they are hammered then they've shot themselves in the foot by giving everyone a lock townread.

[Eragon]

Why do I scumread Eragon?

In 551 he scumreads me. Initially people ignore him and he doesn't vote me. The "hopefully" announced elaboration also doesn't materialise. Then he happily joins the pressure wagon but doesn't clarify whether he actually thinks I'm scum or if he just wants to get me talking. 571 After I claim his scumread of me is totally gone. That's weird.

The mod called Eragon out for some emotional posts. 689 These don't fit well together with his statements that he completely lost his "WIM". Why would an indifferent player get so worked up?

When I attacked Eragon for fluffposting, he stopped doing it. But after I explained I wasn't really scumreading him, he resumed.
He seems to care how others read him.

What I mentioned earlier:

@A50 do you mind unvoting

I don’t like someone just sitting at L-1, becuase scum can quickhammer if they want(bad idea, but still)

You are also the one I trust most on the wagon, so I am comfortable leaving you with a vote
Manatee is scummy IME, I don’t know how to feel about burger, and Poseidon is legit null.

A50 obliges and unvotes inferno.

Spoiler:

INFERNO WHEN YOU SEE THIS... CLAIM YOUR FULL ROLE, OR WE WILL LYNCH YOU BLIND

/vote Inferno

this is L-1

There weren't a lot of posts in between. In 61, 135 and 154 Eragon also mentioned that he doesn't want to have a quickhammer. Keep in mind that a50 threatened quickhammers all the time. Changing your mind on such a fundamental question might be indication of scum-motivation.


I also agree with A50 that there are some posts which look townie at first. But actually these posts might be written by scum in order to get towncred. 118, 377 and 415 fit in this pattern

So to summarize

-me scumreading you then drop when you claim TPR
-my WIM fluctuating
-again with fluffposting???
-the L-1 stuff
And then 118 is completely NAI, I don’t see how you can get anything out of that
377 is also NAI
and how is fakehammering scummy pray tell?

[Wh4t]

The only feasible reason why scum Eragon would fake hammer is if Toranaga is scum with him and they managed to mindmeld the whole thing without discussion. I believe occams razor dictates that Eragon is simply town.

[Almost50]

most people are around, so it's a matter of who we are fine with lynching and I think most of us is fine with lynching bujaber

I'm not. I want to lynch Eragon today. You are me compromise lynch but I'm not going to move my vote to Eragon until I see real consensus.

[Fromage]

I just don't see why scum would attempt the fake hammer on Tor? Scum do not have daychat so it's unlikely it was orchestrated between them. There is no reason for scum to fake hammer because if the target spews town when they believe they are hammered then they've shot themselves in the foot by giving everyone a lock townread.

Why would a fakehammer need to be coordinated by scum? I think it's unlikely a fake-hammer results in a lock townread. AfaIk most fakehammers don't work because people can count the votes/ realize the hammer is already on their wagon. Anyway a lock-townread on day-1 isn't so bad for scum.

How sure are you that Tor is town btw? More or less likely than Eragon?

[Almost50]

I just don't see why scum would attempt the fake hammer on Tor?

We've already discussed this. BuJ even pointed out how it was OBVIOUS it wasn't a hammer. I'm of the opinion he wanted an out from that lynch because Tor already claimed a VT and Eragon is actively hunting for the TPRs.

As for "orchestrating"; how's THIS for a direct instruction to his scum p (not necessarily GnB, btw):

dont resubmit that vote *pets*

[Almost50]

You don't HAMMER and then request someone else NOT TO VOTE THE HAMMERED, now do you?

[Almost50]

I believe occams razor dictates that Eragon is simply town.

I kinds believe the exact opposite. I don't think Tor's his p though. You don't instruct your p not to hammer himself either.

[Eragon]

Well there is no point in voting the hammer no?


And if you think that was talking to my imaginary scum partner, but it isnt necessarily burger, then who is it hat I’m referring to in that post?

[Fromage]

I absolutely prefer to lynch Tor over A50, Bujaber or a no-lynch. I thought whether manatee's replace out was scum-indicative but it's probably just WIFOM. I don't like that toranga claimed when he was at L-1 without intent. 312
529 feels weird. It just doesn't make sense. I don't get how he got from townreading me to voting me and how often his reads of GameNBurger changed. But that's probably not a scumtell.

On the other hand, he has original thoughts and doesn't sheep too much. So the slot is mostly meh for me. I'd say there's a 30% chance he flips scum.

I'm also not 100% sure Eragon is scum. I would assess the odds at 70% percent but I tend to be over-confident in my scumreads, so the real odds are more likely to be 40%.

[Almost50]

dont resubmit that vote *pets*

@Wh4t: This reads as "Partner, do not hammer the claimed VT". Plain and simple.

Then the very next post:

hold on tight

, this nights gonna be a wild ride on these railroad tracks

See the bolded? It's simply a request to WAIT. Noe it

could

be for Tor to not give up, or it could be for GnB to not hammer, or it could be for "someone else" to not attempt to hammer. If Eragon is the kind of player that I think he is, GnB and BuJaber were inserted in these two posts for WIFIM to establish false connections with the two. The reason I

totally

rule out BuJaber from being scum with Eragon is I know BuJ is not the kind of player to take directions from Eragon. In fact, BuJ is kind of stibborn and would probably have hammered Tor upon seeing Eragon's message (except he was already on the wagon, but still.. BuJ doesn't like to be instructed on how to play)

[Almost50]

Well there is no point in voting the hammer no?

And NO HARM in doing it either.

[Eragon]

dont resubmit that vote *pets*

@Wh4t: This reads as "Partner, do not hammer the claimed VT". Plain and simple.

Then the very next post:

hold on tight

, this nights gonna be a wild ride on these railroad tracks

See the bolded? It's simply a request to WAIT. Noe it

could

be for Tor to not give up, or it could be for GnB to not hammer, or it could be for "someone else" to not attempt to hammer. If Eragon is the kind of player that I think he is, GnB and BuJaber were inserted in these two posts for WIFIM to establish false connections with the two. The reason I

totally

rule out BuJaber from being scum with Eragon is I know BuJ is not the kind of player to take directions from Eragon. In fact, BuJ is kind of stibborn and would probably have hammered Tor upon seeing Eragon's message (except he was already on the wagon, but still.. BuJ doesn't like to be instructed on how to play)

dont resubmit that vote is obviously talking directly to burger, because he was the one that voted, but messed up the vote, so i told him not to resubmit... i dont see how its even possible to mis-interpret that?

Hold on tight /=/ Wait.
the meaning of that entire post was to make it seem like we were going into the NIGHT. hence, THIS NIGHTS. Keyword: NIGHTS.
what about Buj but not me

[Fromage]

I'm in my bed now. I plan to get online again one hour before deadline.

I hope this doesn't end in a no-lynch. We lose this game when we mislynch the third time. We have no protective PRs. If we no-lynch today, we already lose by mislynching twice.