SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Punreader]

I have returned. This may take me a while.

[the worst]

Welcome back! Finally might have someone who facepalms as hard at this gamestate as I do.

[Punreader]

but we need to make sure there's actually a tomorrow. trust me back?

Oh there's a tomorrow no matter what.

The problem is leaving tomorrow winnable.

Like, you'd think he would have reevaluated his reads after that terrible read on Shepard, but instead he's doubling down on his bad reads.

Sorry, I don't act the way you want me to act. I act the way I

should

act. And calling the pun as I see them is what I should do.

Mafia is among guac, the worst, Krazy, and DV. Two of those are mafia. From the worst's perspective, this game should be easy. What's there to discuss?

Save for one or two players excluded, that is literally the entirety of the town.

- from a meta point of view you're looking at Espe who is a VERY good busser and FireAss who I don't really have a strong sense of the meta on.

I'll answer for you: Fire Assassin is far more likely to claim a guilty on a punbuddy than on a town player.

Considering how badly executed this would've been if it were a cross bus?

Well on Fire Assassin's part, naturally.

On Espeonage's part, this seems par for the course from him.

Your argument for Espeonage being town is still fallacious because you're literally using Burden of Proficiency combined with "too punny to be pun". ("Too half-assed to be bussing" is exactly that.)

[Punreader]

Considering how badly executed this would've been if it were a cross bus?

Well on Fire Assassin's part, naturally.

What I mean by this is, Fire Assassin is precisely the type of player that would execute an abysmally bad cross-bus.

It goes hand-in-hand with fakeclaiming guilties as town; that's just the sort of player he is.

[Punreader]

it actually just kinda occurred to me that if Pun is holding their shot, a no-lynch might be in our best interests.
but I feel like it's better to no-lynch tomorrow, instead...

I would not recommend a no-lynch, but were we to, I'd shoot guacamole.

[Punreader]

It'd be nice if anyone who isn't voting the worst or DV could weigh in on those lynches...

I refuse to vote town on principle and both are town.

I'd rather lynch guacamole, and as established, even that's less than ideal.

[Krazy]

Pun I'm not sure I understand your logic that the worst is town. I can at this point follow the reasons you suspect Sho. I think it's reasonable to suspect Sho if you are ignoring her playstyle.

But why is the worst town? I don't understand.

I also feel like I'm with you on some points for Espeonage, but I feel like it doesn't work overall. Sure, if it was just a matter of ranking phase lowkey bussing, I'd see Vax getting 0'd out. But I feel like the larger point was made that if they ensure Vax get's 0'd out then there's no way for them to get a free nightkill on Dunn. I mean, maybe scum bus, maybe they don't bus, but would they really value the bus over a free nightkill?

I feel like the argument that Espeonage is not basically locktown based on the ranking phase votes from FA and Shep/Nah is pretty suspect.

And if you accept that guac is not certainly scum, then why are you confident that the worst (FYPOV) is not Sho's scumbuddy (who you seem certain on?)

[Shoshin]

Welcome back! Finally might have someone who facepalms as hard at this gamestate as I do.

I suggest you work on convincing Pun to lynch DV, as well as convincing Pun that I'm town, because otherwise you're probably getting lynched today, and without you around, Pun's going to mislynch me tomorrow.

[DeasVail]

Pun I'm not sure I understand your logic that the worst is town. I can at this point follow the reasons you suspect Sho. I think it's reasonable to suspect Sho if you are ignoring her playstyle.

But why is the worst town? I don't understand.

I also feel like I'm with you on some points for Espeonage, but I feel like it doesn't work overall. Sure, if it was just a matter of ranking phase lowkey bussing, I'd see Vax getting 0'd out. But I feel like the larger point was made that if they ensure Vax get's 0'd out then there's no way for them to get a free nightkill on Dunn. I mean, maybe scum bus, maybe they don't bus, but would they really value the bus over a free nightkill?

I feel like the argument that Espeonage is not basically locktown based on the ranking phase votes from FA and Shep/Nah is pretty suspect.

And if you accept that guac is not certainly scum, then why are you confident that the worst (FYPOV) is not Sho's scumbuddy (who you seem certain on?)

This is a good post.

[Krazy]

Welcome back! Finally might have someone who facepalms as hard at this gamestate as I do.

I suggest you work on convincing Pun to lynch DV, as well as convincing Pun that I'm town, because otherwise you're probably getting lynched today, and without you around, Pun's going to mislynch me tomorrow.

I thought tw was one of your top fos? Now he's locktown?

[Shoshin]

I thought tw was one of your top fos? Now he's locktown?

I never said he was locktown so I'm not sure what that's about.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 5.8

the worst

(3): Vaxkiller, Krazy, DeasVail

DeasVail

(2): Shoshin, the worst

Espeonage

(2): Punreader, guacamole

Krazy

(1): Espeonage

Not Voting

(0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-08-17 09:55:00)

Prods going out to Vax and Espe. I won't count this as Espe's one prod for now due to potential real life circumstances.

[Vaxkiller]

Where is the info of who gave who waht number?

[Vaxkiller]

I've been doing my reads without it.

[Vaxkiller]

Pun if you just claimed 3rd party I would trust you more.

[Vaxkiller]

The fact taht your not makes me think your an SK and cant win with us.

[Krazy]

Scum Ratings

Fire Assassin:

Spoiler:

ehBrawlGuy - 8
Taly - 2
Punreader - 3
MariaR - 9
DeasVail - 5
Espeonage - 0
Dunnstral - 4
Nahdia - 10
the worst - 7
Pine - 4
Shoshin - 6
Fire Assassin - 10
Lovebird - 1
Chara - 10
Srceenplay - 6
Vaxkiller - 0
PenguinPower - 4
NicoRobin - 0

Nahdia/C.Shep

Spoiler:

Nahdia - 10
Chara - 10
Punreader - 10
Fire Assassin - 9
PenguinPower - 8
the worst - 7
Espeonage - 6
Shoshin - 6
Taly - 5
DeasVail - 5
TehBrawlGuy - 4
Pine - 4
MariaR - 3
Dunnstral - 2
Lovebird - 1
Srceenplay - 0
Vaxkiller - 0
NicoRobin - 0

Living Player Ratings

The Worst:

Spoiler:

OK w/e
10 - the worst
10 - Taly
10 - Chara
9 - Espeonage
8 - MariaR
7 - Nahdia
6 - TehBrawlGuy
6 - DeasVail
5 - Punreader
5 - PenguinPower
4 - Vaxkiller
4 - Pine
3 - Shoshin
2 - Dunnstral
1 - Fire Assassin
0 - Srceenplay
0 - ReubenWasFine
0 - NicoRobin

Shoshin:

Spoiler:

Here's my rankings:

10 - myself
10 - Taly
10 - Chara
9 - the worst
8 - TBG
7 - Screen
6 - DV
6 - Dunn
5 - Pun
5 - Vax
4 - Nico
4 - Nahdia
3 - Espeonage
2 - Fire
1 - Pine
0 - Lovebird
0 - Penguin
0 - MariaR

ManWithNoName/Guac

Spoiler:

10. Srceenplay
10. Taly
10. TheBrawlGuy
9. Chara
8. Shoshin
7. The Worst
6. vaxkiller
6. Dunnstral
5. Fire Assassin
5. Nahdia
4. pine
4. pun reader
3. lovebird
2. nico
1. mariar
0. deasvail
0. espe
0. PP

Punreader

Spoiler:

Punreader (10)
Chara (10)
Taly (10)
Dunnstral (9)
ActionDan/Nahdia (8)
Shoshin (7)
MariaR (6)
Espeonage (6)
the worst (5)
Fire Assassin (5)
DeasVail (4)
Vaxkiller (4)
NicoRobin (3)
ReubenWasFine/Lovebird (2)
Srceenplay (1)
TehBrawlGuy (0)
PenguinPower (0)
Pine/TwoInAMillion (0)

I shot Pine.

Chara/Krazy

Spoiler:

Chara
Taly
TehBrawlGuy
Nahdia
Punreader
the worst
Shoshin
MariaR
Dunnstral
DeasVail
Espeonage
Fire Assassin
Lovebird
PenguinPower
NicoRobin
Vaxkiller
Pine
Srceenplay

i'm just upset about this list now with the night results. :<

DeasVail

Spoiler:

10 - Taly
10 - Punreader
10 - DeasVail
9 - the worst
8 - Shoshin
7 - Screenplay
6 - Chara
6 - Vaxkiller
5 - Nahdia
5 - Fire Assassin
4 - Pine
4 - Dunnstral
3 - TehBrawlGuy
2 - Espeonage
1 - Lovebird
0 - NicoRobin
0 - MariaR
0 - PenguinPower

But I'm not really happy with these as a reflection of my reads, and I regret having Lovebird and NicoRobin so low, but obviously that's affected by having the information that they are town so idk.

Anyway, I want rankings from everyone and ideally a bit of insight into your thought process behind the rankings.

From re-reading overnight, I'm back to being suspicious of the worst. MariaR remains a pretty big suspect for me, along with Espeonage. I also don't reallllly know what to think of PenguinPower but my suspicion was scum.

Espeonage

Spoiler:

10 - Myself
10 - Vaxkiller
10 - Dunnstral
9 - TehBrawlGuy
8 - Taly
7 - the worst
6 - Deas Veil
6 - Penguinpower
5 - MariaR
5 - Chara
4 - punreader
4 - Nahdia
3 - Shoshin
2 - Srceenplay
1 - Lovebird
0 - Nico Robin
0 - Pine
0 - Fire Assassin

Vax

Spoiler:

Vaxkiller
Pine
Nahdia
Fire Assassin
PenguinPower
Punreader
Srceenplay
DeasVail
the worst
Lovebird
Espeonage
Shoshin
Chara
Dunnstral
NicoRobin
MariaR
Taly
TehBrawlGuy

[Vaxkiller]

thanks.

Desavail looks the worst with those. I can be cohered to lynch there I guess

[Krazy]

Just went to sleep for 9 hours and woke up to no new posts but if I miss a daily post I get modkilled reeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Errantparabola]

I’m going to try to replace Espeonage.

[guacamole]

Torn between knowing we shouldn't read anything into that, and suspecting we should.

[Vaxkiller]

Torn between knowing we shouldn't read anything into that, and suspecting we should.

Yuck

[Espeonage]

Hi all, I've been prodded, I should have some time tonight.

[Errantparabola]

That's Espeonage's one prod, then. Will not replace.

[the worst]

I'm still really happy voting here. I cannot work out what Krazy is expecting me to see here. DV is less likely to flip scum than {Krazy, guac} but he's in the PoE and if we actually have a loved scumfuck we're in serious trouble.

sooo