Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

Can everybody out a second scumread?

Katsuki flip means I’m probably wrong on Ank/PF and Muffin was behaving loke too much of a _______ , so I honestly have no clue atm.

What's the correlation between katsuki and professor friday, though?

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Can everybody out a second scumread?

Katsuki flip means I’m probably wrong on Ank/PF and Muffin was behaving loke too much of a _______ , so I honestly have no clue atm.

What's the correlation between katsuki and professor friday, though?

Katsuki ignored me from what I remember, so not sure what that does.

Can everybody out a second scumread?

One of the gunsmiths! It's really hard to know atm. Who was the GS claim that was late to the party? I recall Kokichi, Moment and Nosferatu?

purrcocet was super late, but he was also under 0 pressure and nobody was going to check him

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dunn can you post all the GS claims for me

Sure, I'm kind of busy though so it will take me a while

Who are your scum GS picks, Dunn/Nancy? I have a hard time ruling anyone out.

I'm not even certain there's scum in gunsmiths at this point in time

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i checked matt he doesn't have any guns

Hmmm. Purr outing now is suspect as hell.

boi if i was scum u know id use my cute cuddliness to win the game, even muffin would give me a pass
nah i also checked maria last nite and she has no guns

I'm a gunsmith. Wisdom has a gun. Which is why I tunneled him since yesterday. But I didn't outright claim cause I figured shenanigans like last game with vanilla cop. Spiffeh has no gun

hey guys
Guess who has a gun

VOTE: Nosferatu

oh and, sakura doesnt have a gun

Maria was my Night 1 check. She has no guns.

@Mod: Could you prod projectmatt and Prof Fridays?

I'm a gunsmith. Kokichi Oma has a gun. I thought I'd try to catch him in a fake claim.

Nos give your reports.

spiffeh and muffin

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like has mariar done anything town since the last time we made a decision to lynch there

Yes

this is where i ask in an exasperated manner for you to provide proof in such things

only for you to respond that its in your ISO

I'll go over this again in a bit for newer posts

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Oh, sure, I wasn't saying otherwise. I still am for MariaR as poisoner; I was just curious as to if you had any suspicions on any of the gunsmiths. Surprised @Dunnstral postulating no scum GS. Not gonna say he's wrong, but I'd be surprised with 4 claimed in the game.

Not necessarily saying there's no scum gs I guess, especially with 5 claimed, just that I'm not sure we should be thinking there HAS to be a scum gs

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Who are your scum GS picks, Dunn/Nancy? I have a hard time ruling anyone out.

I’m not scumreading any of them right now but I think we need to lynch the poisoner first.

P.edit . I’m not really scumreading anyone. Are we allowed to speculate on the timing of the Matt replace out?

I don't see why not. Seems towny to me.

Seems NAI to me

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VOTE: professor fridays

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UNVOTE:

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Can everybody out a second e?

Katsuki flip means I’m probably wrong on Ank/PF and Muffin was behaving loke too much of a _______ , so I honestly have no clue atm.

What's the correlation between katsuki and professor friday, though?

He backed him. Of course it necessarily only means anything if she flips red. If he knows she’s wrong, then maybe not but still, It makes me less likely to scumread him.

Who do you think is most likely scum? Believe me, I would love nothing better than to sheep you on Muffin but I sadly think he’s almost certainly town here. *sigh*

I'll think about it

I don't know if I have enough info to say projectmatt or anything but poe wise they're a target

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did matt get checked already?

yes

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i checked matt he doesn't have any guns

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What if the poisoner claimed gunsmith?

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Nosferatu I don't understand what that list exactly is

People who were checked by gunsmiths aren't cleared from being poisoner

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What am I the "only real option left" for?

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im actually less sure on mariar being scum now

By the way, why?

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Spoiler: MariaR posts

LMFAO THIS GAME

WHO EVER IS THE POISONER WHO POISONED ME IS FUCKING SCUM MVP

SO I DIE AT THE END OF THE DAY
AND IM PROBABLY THE LAST TOWN MAIN CHAR LEFT SO EZ CLAP

I HAVE A GUILTY ON MARIA AND SHES DYING TODAY
WE ARE NOT LEAVING THIS UNTIL TOMRROW I DONT TRUST YOU GUYS ENOGUH TO LYNCH HER TOMORROW

VOTE: MARIA

Alright cute. Let's see you flip than and if you're a cop I'll die. K? k

A 3 shot cop in a fg game isn't real because he normally puts 3 scum unless the scum team is busted and has a god father. He's fake claiming ty

Can you please claim maria

I'm not getting lynched Purr

Alright had to take a break from this game for personal reasons but I'm back.

In other fake god games the 1 popular normally has 1 scum

I assume this game is used as to find the scum in gunsmiths and the scum in poisoners making the role blocker the only role that can't be "found" ironically

I think we can solve this game by getting pools of people who do have guns and who doesn't and lynching in those pools if we find 1 scum in 1 pool the rest are clear

My logic is still sound regardless, if scum had any reason to disbelieve Katsuki, then Katsuki wouldn't be poisoned, ergo, Dunn and muffin are town, possibly Wisdom too.
MariaR is also scum.

Katsuki is fake claiming period. If he really is cop you'll see it when he's done being poisoned at day end I know I'm town at most I live for one more day.
We get the pools figured out and decide what pool to lynch in

the poisoner is not a god father to gunsmiths because all you do is claim and the poisoner can be figured out.
Neither are the gunsmith millers because the gunsmith works on putting scum into pools of people with basic with up spec/knowl

the most powerful role is the roleblocker because it was the only one you couldn't have a good guess on

Do what you wish I'm honestly drained and don't really care for the outcome of this game due to the events that happened.

I'm not in any hoods

IF cupcake is fake-claiming, it has nothing to do with spite

I honestly thought he was fake claiming because he just wanted me out of the game so I took a break from the thread

Well that's not what I thought at the time but it seems he's gonna keep this up until the end.

So kat really did fake claim a guilty just to get me out of the game. Alright I don't know what I did to be so unenjoyable to do that but I'm sorry to anyone that I upset this game because that was never my goal to upset anyone. I just wanted to play mafia like the rest of yall. I'll try to get back in this game but the whole thing with Kat sucked my energy coming into this and that sucks cause fg games are my fav if you got questions please ask I like having back and forths and it'll help me. I'm prob going to join the prof wagon but I'm taking a bit to recollect

I honestly thought he was fake claiming because he just wanted me out of the game so I took a break from the thread

I have a REALLY hard time believing Maria actually felt that way

Especially when she's seen how Katsuki interacted with Dunnstral who he genuinely seems to dislike

How can I believe anything but this when I know I'm town and Kat is claiming a god dam guilty on me and not retracting it?

I don't want to make the game unfun for anyone because that's what mafia is. For fun but just blah

Alright I don't know what I did to be so unenjoyable to do that but I'm sorry to anyone that I upset this game because that was never my goal to upset anyone.

Disclaimer that i dont think you're unenjoyable I just think you're scum

That's totally fine

This isn't her posting style as scum, her play feels beyond how she plays as scum
Instead of reading everything as scum motivated, keep in mind that she was essentially being bullied by muffin and katsuki and was avoiding the thread because she felt drained and didn't want to play in this game
^She feels these emotions because she is town, I don't know how to explain it better, It's pissing me off that people still want to lynch her without reconsidering the game state after all that has happened. Like, I'm pretty certain she's not scum guys and I'm not going to sit here and be called biased by sakura every step of the way (she called me biased with katsuki, I got proven correct, now I'm biased with Maria. okay...)

Speaking of which, since when does sakura just tunnel somebody like this? Am I confusing their playstyle for Chara, or is this game way out of character?

[Dunnstral]

I think you're aggressively wrong so it would be nice if you could reconsider

I've reconsidered a lot of things this game

I just realized that Dunn is back to being the old Dunn that I always liked.

[Dunnstral]

Non-main characters/Gun wielders

Kokichi Oma

Dunnstral

Wisdom

Moment

Prof Fridays

Purrcocet

Nosferatu

Theoretical Poisoners:

Sakura Hana
Nancy Drew 39
MariaR
zMuffinMan
Spiffeh
projectmatt

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Maybe if part of D1 and D2 hadn't been a snooze fest and we didnt have 2 people yelling in all capsrage that made me just want to not even bother reading i'd be paying more attention to the stuff that happened.

Okay

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Oh man, I think the only people I'd feel comfortable voting today would be zMuffinMan and projectmatt

VOTE: projectmatt

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I was offered treats


I dont remember. nothing that happenwd after this

Hey buddy, are you hungry? Do you think we should get Muffins?

Also how do you feel about project matt...

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The thing is we'd run out of people to check if we didn't check you

So think of it as more of a formality

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3928 is me talking about getting a bite to eat, not Muffins AtE, for clarification

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You know what I said about not shoving down lynches when new information comes out?

Oh well, I would hav eunvoted math though. Nancy looks like a kill on someone who wasn't getting lynched that we learn nothing new off of

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i checked matt he doesn't have any guns

Hmmm. Purr outing now is suspect as hell.

boi if i was scum u know id use my cute cuddliness to win the game, even muffin would give me a pass
nah i also checked maria last nite and she has no guns

I'm a gunsmith. Wisdom has a gun. Which is why I tunneled him since yesterday. But I didn't outright claim cause I figured shenanigans like last game with vanilla cop. Spiffeh has no gun

hey guys
Guess who has a gun

VOTE: Nosferatu

oh and, sakura doesnt have a gun

Maria was my Night 1 check. She has no guns.

@Mod: Could you prod projectmatt and Prof Fridays?

I'm a gunsmith. Kokichi Oma has a gun. I thought I'd try to catch him in a fake claim.

Nos give your reports.

spiffeh and muffin

Non-main characters/Gun wielders

Kokichi Oma

Dunnstral

Wisdom

Moment

Prof Fridays

Purrcocet

Nosferatu

Theoretical Poisoners:

Sakura Hana
Nancy Drew 39
MariaR
zMuffinMan
Spiffeh
projectmatt

Stuff for Maria
Me and Prof Fridays are non-gunsmiths in the striked out list

[Dunnstral]

I want to say the poisoner is either muffin or prof fridays

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I dunno, I kinda wanna kill all of everyone who thought Math was town yesterday, aside from Wisdom.
Or die trying.

Who was that? Me Purr Prof and Wisdom correct? Take out wisdom but yeah. I see why people lynched Math I wasn't gonna be shocked at a scum flip until the huge wall plus I think getting rid of the poison was a mistake regardless.

I mean I'd have unvoted but they replaced in and were lynched before I had a chance to post

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Is he super wrong or is he scum?

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I am quite lost as to how we have totally rejected what MathBlade said.

Math said it was Sakura and Wisdom and you seem to have casually written off Wisdom as town

[Dunnstral]

So really you just think it's Sakura, or do you have a reason we should follow math's reads but selectively (they were in the game for like 8 hours)

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Your stuff on mathblade was pretty good
Your stuff on Maria was pretty bad

Kind of looks like you're trying to hide behind a layer of "It's reasonable for me to be doing this" which is pretty weird, maybe because you're defending your actions instead of pushing your views

Overall pretty meh, not sure if scum or playstyle difference

VOTE: Muffin[/b]

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Usually I acknowledge that scum can try to lynch people with good reads instead of night killing them to try to dodge VCA and make us disregard reads

In this game though, we have reason to suspect there might be only 2 mafia alive right now (less than what would be expected in a normal game) and I counted for two votes, add to that that mathblade was only in thread for a few hours and only had a limited window to get live interactions (I also don't know how much they read) is all reasons for me to not look at their reads as much... I'm not disregarding them exactly but they've got less weight for me

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If there's scum in the gunsmiths I can't find them, not really looking forward to trying to figure things out there

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VOTE: Muffin[/b]

VOTE: muffin

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: muffin

[Dunnstral]

Engage in intellectual discourse

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Your entire argument for yourself being town amounts to you pointing out what was essentially a mod error. It was probably getting released anyway and it would be a scumbag move to try to take advantage of it, how about your play this game?

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Also: People have called you town for your play in the neighborhood vs your play in the game thread, so there's a motive for you if the whole moral thing doesn't pan out. I don't subscribe to that but some people do

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You were going to be the lynch and lied about your role and fake claimed a guilty to avoid being lynched. That's not speculation, I was actually going to lynch you

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VoteCount 2.12

Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma
TehBrawlGuy [4] - zMuffinMan, Brian Skies, Purrcocet, Katsuki
zMuffinMan [6] - MariaR, projectmatt, Nancy Drew 39, Sakura Hana, Wisdom, Spiffeh
MariaR [1] - Moment
Prof Fridays [3] - Dunnstral x2, TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting [2]

- Prof Fridays, Nosferatu

With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-04 15:00:00)

You get lynched here instead of tbg if you don't fake claim neighborizor

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Not releasing the PT would've made u lynch MariaR, what is scum muffin's motivation on preventing that?

It's a mod error

Stop looking for the "scum motivation" unless you think Muffins uses the mod error to his advantage

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Not releasing the PT would've made u lynch MariaR, what is scum muffin's motivation on preventing that?

It's a mod error

Stop looking for the "scum motivation" unless you think Muffins uses the mod error to his advantage

@Sakura this still stands

ARe you saying Muffin as scum would have taken advantage of the mod error to lynch off the fake guilty

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i didn't fake-claim anything

you can literally see in the PT i told cupcake not to do it

Katsuki: Muffin neighborized me

Muffin: LOL, pt releases at a certain point in time

You certainly went along with it

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im actually less sure on mariar being scum now

By the way, why?

Yeah but I asked him why and he never answered

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he even lowered his SR of MariaR after the fact.

You mean after HE got revealed as a liar who was fake claiming?

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He didn't have a cop inno on you, pretty sure I saw that in the pt

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I thought Katsuki was the one with the guilty or am i misremembering.

Muffins was right there pushing Maria and saying she was scum

So no, he was faking it too

[Dunnstral]

i have another guilty on mariar

:thinking:

@Sakura

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There's no evidence to the contrary. Katsuki cared more about keeping his friends alive and lynching his 'enemies' than winning the game. He was literally gamethrowing so his read on you means literally nothing and he admitted he doesn't have a cop inno on you

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he CAN push mislynches as scum without such tactics.

Like tbg?

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Let me guess, You're going to call me biased again

...Even though I've been confirmed correct once after you called me biased and you agree with me now on the second time you called me biased

But yeah, I'm biased

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VoteCount 2.14

Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma

TehBrawlGuy [9] - zMuffinMan, Brian Skies, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh, Nosferatu, Prof Fridays, TehBrawlGuy [LYNCH]

zMuffinMan [3] - MariaR, projectmatt, Nancy Drew 39
Prof Fridays [4] - Dunnstral x2, Moment, Wisdom

Not Voting [0]

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With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-04 15:00:00)

Again, Muffinz gets lynched here but fakeclaims and TBG is lynched instead

He also diverts the lynch off of Prof Fridays with Katsuki

If you're going to try to lynch muffin, then you might as well lynch me too because im gonna be defending him, unless im very certain he's scum, and hey, if you mislynch me MAYBE you will then notice that prof is pushing a scum agenda.

It feels like you're confbiasing and are using literally every single thing you can find to counter me.

Um the one who was pushing prof from like day 2 was ME while you mislynched TBG so don't give me that like

Don't act like I'm not seeing things in Prof - I still think he has a good chance of being scum but I'm less sure after seeing his recent posts

[Dunnstral]

Who do you think poisoner is if it's not Prof, though?

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@Sakura

Purr can answer too though

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Don't act like I'm not seeing things in Prof - I still think he has a good chance of being scum but I'm less sure after seeing his recent posts

Why do I keep getting the opposite impression from people like...
D1 i thought muffin was scum but D2 onwards i thought he was town, and ppl had the opposite impression
now i early thought prof was probs town, but today i think he's just scum, and you have the opposite impression.

Did I enter some topsy turvy game?

My read on Prof slot is as follows

Day 1: Unsure on Ank, kind of skethy, not where I'd look to lynch though
Day 2: Not a strong scumread but I'll push this so tbg (townread) and muffins (mechanically not the lynch... except he lied about his role and I didn't know about that yet) don't get lynched. For some reason, this got to 5 then people flew onto TBG
Day 3: I think the slot looks like scum for early interactions with Maria as well as the votes on TBG the previous day

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And by that i mean, i dont even remember who's what at this point.
I also dont think muffin kills kats, much less poison him.

Is this true Muffin? Do you not kill Kat as scum?

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Night 1: Katsuki: I have a cop ability and will sort muffins *gets shot at*
intermission: the cop ability hadn't even activated yet
Night 2: *gets poisoned, because the first shot failed*

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And he couldn't be shot night 2 because brian just claimed "doc" and they had to use the shot on him instead of poison

So by all accounts, Katsuki said he was cop checking muffins day 1 then got shot at so

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what exactly do you think cupcake's role was?

Neighborizor with a cop ability that activates after the first person is killed. His ability is used on the person he neighborizes. He needed you to die to get his second cop ability off

He tried to investigate Brian skies who was blatantly town after his doc claim. This goes back to the game throwing and only caring about being in neighborhoods with his friends and voting out his 'enemies'

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I read enough of the neighborhood to know katsuki was going to fake claim a guilty on me while believing I was town and Muffins was going to go along with it

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No let's make this REAL simple: He wasn't telling the truth about the cop inno because I read that in the neighborhood and you know that as well as I do

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does it actually matter whether we lynch in gunsmiths or non gunsmiths first

Yeah, poisoner has no gun and has an extra kill on even nights

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Let me put this straight.
Katsuki dying makes muffin look guiltier, muffin scum doesnt do this, scum that thinks katsuki has a legit inno does, if muffin is scum he knows that katsuki's BSing and defending him, and so does the scum team. They dont kill Katsuki.

Here's how it happens

Day 1 they kill him because he says he's copping muffinz
Day 2 they're in a neighborhood and he reveals he has a weak investigative role. That + him being protected by doctor means he gets poisoned

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Kokichi being the first one to find Wisdom had a gun leads to his role being more credible UNLESS he's scum gunsmith, and even then the way he handled the guilty without flat out saying "wisdom has a gun" makes me think he's town, do you disagree with that logic?

I saw Nosferatu's soft as it happened so he at least planned to claim an investigative. I say Moment Kokichi Nosferatu Wisdom all have credible claims from the way they went about it, And I was townreading purr so maybe I'm just missing something

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Day 2 they're in a neighborhood and he reveals he has a weak investigative role. That + him being protected by doctor means he gets poisoned

yeah, the 'weak investigative role' that led him to call me town and fake-claim on my behalf to save me from being lynched was a real threat to me

... ... ...

simply genius

He needed you to die for his investigative ability to work

He got killed because he was an investigative, him being a threat to you or not is irrelevant because he actually was a long-term threat to you

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Muffin has every reason to kill Katsuki

Kill him before we says something about the "inno" - if he ever does
Kill him before he can check other people, making his job harder
Kill him so it looks like he's cleared before Katsuki can elaborate

The entire argument for Muffinz being town is "He would take advantage of the mod error because he's a scumbag, and also he wouldn't kill Katsuki because of the fake inno on him". It's a bad argument.

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Like who are muffinz scumreads?

He's just letting prof friday be lynched

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@everyone let's let muffinz catch up before we lynch anyone

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I feel like I'm choking on all this testosterone

Is this the next excuse for ignoring what I say? Keep em' coming

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ill assume that each of these are ordered from town to scum cause im colorblind and im not about to look up hexcodes

Top is green then it fades to yellow at the bottom of each list

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I don't really believe it because he doesn't really ever reaction test me.

Citation Needed, coz my memory sux.
I for one do NOT remember him reaction testing you, but i dont trust my memory on that one.

OTOH: Yes it's possible scum doesnt have a gunsmith, im busy right now so i cant neither ISO kokichi or look at the probabilities of scum gunsmith existing tho. I do promise ill take it in mind.

For this conversation: Yes he claimed to reaction test Maria in this game and I think he's reaction tested Maria in other games? Or at least reaction tested in general

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Someone call me if lynching in Prof Fridays, MariaR and Nosferatu doesn't win the game. Oh, and don't lynch Muffins. I think he's (probably) not scum.

By the way, crazy idea I've been considering that I feel like just floating out there: scum Purrcocet?

I'll call you

Prof Fridays looks like town in his recent reaction to pressure - MariaR you know my read there, Nosferatu softed his investigative result on day 1 which is a weird angle to take if he were scum faking gunsmith

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Sorry if you're town TBG I hope you're not

I am.

also I hate to do this, since you're trying to be nice, but because it's still technically twilight I kinda hate this post

it's pretty lamist and I feel like my run-up and post-hammer posts should be super obvtown, and this is doing a bad job faking uncertainty

idk man I still have a wincon and you're in my scumpool

if it helps you in ur passing

ive got 0% uncertainty that ur wrong here

i dont want u to go into spec thread with confidence in that

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I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).

With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.

And what are u expecting the poisoner to claim?

3 shot cop that just flips as joat

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I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).

With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.

For Nos: I hadn't really considered scum gunsmith vs scum fake claiming gunsmith, I think that's a possibility though so maybe I need to look into nosferatu some more
I disagree that Prof friday would claim something other than vanilla town - I think power roles at this point stretches into unbelievability for the town to have and I don't think town has any more prs to out

Balance wise I've been considering that my own role isn't really a power neutral role (if we're on track with setup spec It's a soft ic) then we had a weak cop, the nonconsecutive doctor, odd night poisoner, and of course 5 gunsmith claims

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1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.

It looks more like they're resigned to their lynch and are giving out last reads than they're trying to set up associatives or change the lynch

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So why do you feel nosferatu is scum?

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If you go back and look, he just didn't really talk about it at all.

I think that sort of skirting around an issue is a scum reaction.

I agree with this general thinking

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Why did you vote Maria when everyone else was?

Funny how all of a sudden it's an obvious fakeclaim post-flip but people were resigned to lynch Maria before

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at the point when I joined the wagon, the initial momentum had passed

What

You were contributing to the momentum to get her lynched
What are your reasons for voting Maria? Why did you scumread her? You realize that you voting her when she has a lot of votes on her puts her close to being lynched - mostly from the momentum of the fake guilty

I didn't say "gotcha"

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By the way, here's a votecount that puts you at the end of the Maria wagon

VoteCount 3.2

Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma
MariaR [7] - Katsuki, Sakura Hana, Moment, Purrcocet, Prof Fridays, Nosferatu, Wisdom
Prof Fridays [2] - Dunnstral x2

Not Voting [5]

- Nancy Drew 39, MariaR, zMuffinMan, Spiffeh, projectmatt

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-14 15:00:00)

Not the middle, you contributed your vote off the back of Prof Fridays saying "this fake guilty is reasonable and so am I for voting here" along with wisdom who did the same thing

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@Nosferatu

: When did you go from believing Katsuki's claim to not believing it?

i dont remember believing it

Nosferatu needs to talk more about why he thinks Kokichi is scum if he believes that because I'm not seeing it from his reaction to Moment today and there's no momentum there or anything

i dont really scumread kokichi

i just didnt
have any reason to change vote
til
now

VOTE: mariar

What was your "reason to change vote" ?

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Not sure why you're seemingly getting upset, I don't think you've ever given justification for your vote?

I didn't call you scum

do you think that reason was a fake guilty?

I think we've had this conversation before and you pointed me to the top part of the post

When I initially read it yes I did think that

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Why did you vote Maria, then?

What made me think you were following the fake guilty was when you said "until now" and voted with no other justification

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I'm probably biased due to all this testosterone, and because katsuki fake claimed a guilty on me in minuet, and because Maria is my friend, but in my humble opinion I believe that prof fridays has shown themself to be town and we should consider other possibilities

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Get on this man wagon or you will be cursed with a low testosterone bias

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Maria I appreciate your effort
Is your spiffeh vote just based on interactions with moment?

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What is going on

I think we're lynching muffin

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Nancy is actually a pretty good kill for Muffinz to make, get rid of someone who is on the fence/opinion may change, and then today he gets to say "I wouldn't kill nancy, she was townreading me!"

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Maria I appreciate your effort
Is your spiffeh vote just based on interactions with moment?

He would most likely be the 2nd vote after Prof but yes for the most part. I'm glad someone does

Do you think any of spiffeh's own stuff looks scummy without moment connections?

Or let's start from the beginning and talk about moment because they have been looking town for me

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is this performance art?
i cannot believe u have this scumread still

You're still saying Maria might get lynched buddy

What happened to rika voice inno's die every day b? What happened to no more AtE Muffin I'm full?

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Flip muffin like he's a pancake

The other two go in the town house

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i wouldn't kill nancy because i don't think she's good at finding scum lol

Are you caught up on the game yet?

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Yea

Haven’t read the end of last Day or today at all but from what I recall I feel the exact opposite as you do on all accounts :P

'I'm interested in this too

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What are we waiting for lads? If you're confused about what you should be doing you should unvote Prof Fridays who seems like town and move your vote to Muffin who is now actively delaying the game, do we really need me yelling in here to get something done?

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Maria I appreciate your effort
Is your spiffeh vote just based on interactions with moment?

He would most likely be the 2nd vote after Prof but yes for the most part. I'm glad someone does

Do you think any of spiffeh's own stuff looks scummy without moment connections?

Or let's start from the beginning and talk about moment because they have been looking town for me

On spiffy I thought his day 1 was one of the best to be honest along with the fact he was a major wagon contender with ninja. I was pretty sure he was town but perhaps because he's the poisoner it makes since to lose ninja. I just think his play has gone down since D1 I can't really say "scummy" cause that's not the correct wording maybe...lacking?

Moment I just don't get the same vibes from before he outright locked Nancy as scum cased them and never left them pushed it over and over etc.
So we have this game case me check. push me over and over...um no check he just kinda says I'm scum and is doing nothing about it. Sure he cased me but I don't get the fire like the other game. I don't get why town moment is letting me live right now when from his pov shouldn't I be the poisoner I know for dam sure I wouldn't let my poisoner read just run free. He's kinda taken a back seat and I just don't get why that's happening here. Along with the stuff I cased before I'm fairly sure moment is scum. What makes you think they're town

For Spiffeh: I can see what you're saying, I thought he was scummy the first half of day 1 though and after that I wasn't really sure. I think his play has always been this underwhelming including day 1 to be honest, you may be misremembering things because of other people interacting with him.

For Moment: Meh, they've seemed tonally town from the start. Last game they were only alive for day 1, the way they went about the gunsmith claim seemed like town. I don't know, I still don't think they're scum,call it intuition

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Prof is prob town I feel like based on tone. I'd like to vote elsewhere

Come vote Muffin
Reasonably likely to happen today

Still voting Sakura btdubs, though I wouldn't mind hearing from Muffins again.

He's in a state of perpetual catchup and thread dodging while he waits for you to get lynched.... if you and kokichi join we have a competitive wagon

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though I will gladly vote muffin if I have to

Come vote muffin

He isn't even pushing anybody, we can at least see if he votes his counter wagon

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prodge

scum motivated

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Vote Muffin

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He said he was catching up with the game at 5 days left

He's not catching up, he's stalling to day end. As far as I can tell he's going for no lynch

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Can we get back on Muffin? Prof is clearly town

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Why not spiffy

Somebody who isn't me should answer this

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I'm kind of suspicious of purrcocet

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VOTE: zmuffinman

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Took a bite of the muffin and ended up with food poisoning

I think this muffin is rotten

Also, we started this day without someone in Spiffeh slot?

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Yeah... purrcocet is scummy

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In case it's not clear I've been poisoned

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Forgot to mention but it was food poisoning, that's why I suspect Muffinz

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Hi,

Purr is my only townread right now and I will vote with them.

Thanks,
Marquis

Not sure if this is some bad excuse not to vote muffin or what but I'm pretty much confirmed town (I got poisoned) and voting muffin

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me too