Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).

With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.

And what are u expecting the poisoner to claim?

3 shot cop that just flips as joat

[Sakura Hana]

First of all, all 3 MCs are dead, we have 5 gunsmiths running around, and a dead JOAT with presumably cop similar abilities.
I dunno but it feels like Poisoner claims VT here 100% of the time.

[Dunnstral]

I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).

With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.

For Nos: I hadn't really considered scum gunsmith vs scum fake claiming gunsmith, I think that's a possibility though so maybe I need to look into nosferatu some more
I disagree that Prof friday would claim something other than vanilla town - I think power roles at this point stretches into unbelievability for the town to have and I don't think town has any more prs to out

Balance wise I've been considering that my own role isn't really a power neutral role (if we're on track with setup spec It's a soft ic) then we had a weak cop, the nonconsecutive doctor, odd night poisoner, and of course 5 gunsmith claims

[Dunnstral]

1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.

It looks more like they're resigned to their lynch and are giving out last reads than they're trying to set up associatives or change the lynch

[Sakura Hana]

Can't claim doctor because we already got an MC gated Doctor.
Can't claim poisoner because obviously
Can't claim Gunsmith because no gun
Can't claim Cop because no gun and an MC with a gated cop shot (or more).
Can't claim any other investigative because they'd likely be found lying sooner rather than later.
Can't claim BP because we lynch them anyways.

Seriously what are you expecting a scum poisoner to claim here.

[Moment]

First of all, all 3 MCs are dead, we have 5 gunsmiths running around, and a dead JOAT with presumably cop similar abilities.
I dunno but it feels like Poisoner claims VT here 100% of the time.

Sure. Like I said; it wasn't a huge indicator to me. I will say, however, that Minuet's Trio had the main characters, the "mass" role as well as one other town role separate from both of those; it's not entirely unreasonable. Although, as I type that, I realize that that "other" town role is probably just Dunnstral.

Eh, yeah. I suppose it's probably not really indicative one way or the other actually.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 4.2

Prof Fridays [5] - Wisdom, Nosferatu, Purrcocet, Sakura Hana, MariaR
Sakura Hana [1] - Prof Fridaysa
zMuffinMan [2] - Dunnstral x2

Not Voting [4]

- Kokichi Oma, zMuffinMan, Moment, Spiffeh

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-21 15:00:00)

[Moment]

1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.

It looks more like they're resigned to their lynch and are giving out last reads than they're trying to set up associatives or change the lynch

That can come from town or scum. In fact, it might even be

scum

indicative if Prof Fridays is a town player that normally fights tooth and nail against getting mislynch.

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Can't claim doctor because we already got an MC gated Doctor.
Can't claim poisoner because obviously
Can't claim Gunsmith because no gun
Can't claim Cop because no gun and an MC with a gated cop shot (or more).
Can't claim any other investigative because they'd likely be found lying sooner rather than later.
Can't claim BP because we lynch them anyways.

Seriously what are you expecting a scum poisoner to claim here.

I already said that I hadn't given it much specific thought; I get the point.

[Dunnstral]

So why do you feel nosferatu is scum?

[Moment]

So why do you feel nosferatu is scum?

Seemingly inconsistent or made up positions, the forced posting from the beginning of the game, and a realization that some things that I was townreading him for earlier - mainly frustration with Nancy Drew- would probably still come from scum in the same manner. That's the short version of it, at least.

Oh, and also the way that he dealt with the guilty on MariaR. This isn't an associative read, it's a scumtell that I've found myself guilty of sometimes. If you go back and look, he just didn't really talk about it at all. You could call it TMI on knowing that it's a fake guilty and being awkward to deal with it or you could call it a partner associative (I'm not calling it one way or the other), but either way I think that sort of skirting around an issue is a scum reaction.

[Dunnstral]

If you go back and look, he just didn't really talk about it at all.

I think that sort of skirting around an issue is a scum reaction.

I agree with this general thinking

[Nosferatu]

lmfaoo

im scum for not reacting to an obvious fakeclaim

[Dunnstral]

Why did you vote Maria when everyone else was?

Funny how all of a sudden it's an obvious fakeclaim post-flip but people were resigned to lynch Maria before

[Sakura Hana]

Well guess there's the scum in the GSs

[Nosferatu]

i know thats not an informed comment that you just made

[Nosferatu]

like fuck dude

do you honestly think that

i cant imagine you really do

[Nosferatu]

its shit like that which annoys me a lot with people, not on this site or in the game in particular

just shitty, either disingenuous or uninformed, gotcha questions

"why did you vote maria when everyone else was"

like my initial reaction to this would be that I didn't,
but then you pull up a votecount that puts me in the middle of the maria wagon
which ignores that at the point when I joined the wagon, the initial momentum had passed and there's absolutely reason to think I did it cause of a guilty claim

And then you follow it up with "funny how all of a sudden its an obvious fakeclaim" making it seem like im changing my opinion as some sort of post hoc justification for me being on the wagon
like wtf dude

[Dunnstral]

at the point when I joined the wagon, the initial momentum had passed

What

You were contributing to the momentum to get her lynched
What are your reasons for voting Maria? Why did you scumread her? You realize that you voting her when she has a lot of votes on her puts her close to being lynched - mostly from the momentum of the fake guilty

I didn't say "gotcha"

[Dunnstral]

By the way, here's a votecount that puts you at the end of the Maria wagon

VoteCount 3.2

Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma
MariaR [7] - Katsuki, Sakura Hana, Moment, Purrcocet, Prof Fridays, Nosferatu, Wisdom
Prof Fridays [2] - Dunnstral x2

Not Voting [5]

- Nancy Drew 39, MariaR, zMuffinMan, Spiffeh, projectmatt

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-14 15:00:00)

Not the middle, you contributed your vote off the back of Prof Fridays saying "this fake guilty is reasonable and so am I for voting here" along with wisdom who did the same thing

[Nosferatu]

[Nosferatu]

off the back of friday

10 pages apart

[Nosferatu]

I didn't say I was voting maria for those reasons either

[Dunnstral]

@Nosferatu

: When did you go from believing Katsuki's claim to not believing it?

i dont remember believing it

Nosferatu needs to talk more about why he thinks Kokichi is scum if he believes that because I'm not seeing it from his reaction to Moment today and there's no momentum there or anything

i dont really scumread kokichi

i just didnt
have any reason to change vote
til
now

VOTE: mariar

What was your "reason to change vote" ?

[Nosferatu]

do you think that reason was a fake guilty?

[Nosferatu]

i gotta answer that question with a question cause I gotta know where your heads at right here cause you make it very difficult for me