Mini 2025: Sneks & Noodles [Game Over]

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VOTE: BBT

he did this thing that's a literal 100% scumtell

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

My reads on you are almost always shit and I'm bitter about this.

your names familiar but I can't recall actually playing with you

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i will feed on your souls

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you can outsource the read to me

can already confirm nsg is confscum

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guys how have we not lynched nsg yet when she's confirmed scum?

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????

r u scum?

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VOTE: skitter30

im reporting you for unskilled player

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actually it's bad

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how can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat

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ok but is skitter scum?

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i've been told wgeurts is a cinnamon roll so i'm not allowed to vote him

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how the fuck does one read nsg anyway

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well done horrorude you solved this game

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pineapple on pizza being a speakeasy meme and it being unlikely that a new person opens with that.

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by the way, i'm fairly certain lazylump isn't actually new.

he's new.

RC is probably town i think?

Why

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Skitter is being really strange and it might be because she's scum

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you're doing stuff like saying u instead of you that is not what I'm used to seeing from your typically wordy self.

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I am very comfortable with SAT prep class mode and would prefer that.

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VOTE: Skitter

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the you using u as opposed to your is a symptom as opposed to the problem itself

you're scum though.

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Horroedude wagon is kind of bad

I'm not sure he's town bur the motivations given for being on the wagon are bad

I believe I have caught two (2) scum as of right now

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NSG flaking and therefore being many tiers more likely to be scum isn't even one of the two people I see as caught scum

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Ftr I meant I don't see horror as literally locktown

I am townreading him

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Anony there's 3 people in prod range

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Pls get horrordude off l-2 even

I want to slowroll this without risking a shitty hammer

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Much appreciate

Hi how are you what are your reads looking like

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It's really tedious to sift through 11 players for one scum

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10 I guess but

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Postie flail

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No one even made reference to the fact that I've caught two scum x_x

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Horrordude, alchemist21 initial townreads

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ok so i can get how people might've considered that post from rando as busy but like 190 actually makes me feel better about it
out of anything i feel like it reaffirms my vote on horrordude
192 looks like an attempt to belittle rando's logic
btw i was thinking that popopopopopoiopopopopop[popopopopopopopopopopopopo disliking rando's post suggests that if he flips scum one of his partners is in horrordude, me, and skitter

I wanna scumread the placement of self in this list but lol

Invisibility maaaybe a townread as well gotta decide

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i mean ok?

i can't really talk to u about it if you wont' explain why tho

overall i don't care that much rn cuz i know that town!you can read me properly so i'm sure you'll figure it out eventually. and the more i think about it i think scum!you scurmeads me here given the newbie

You claim that scum me scumreads you given the newbie

In said newbie I locked you town so why is that the case?

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Of course, if you were scum and concerned that I had caught you and wanted to plan ahead and make an excuse for why me with a perfect record reading you would be calling you scum, saying that it's something that I'd do as scum makes a lot of sense.

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Like in the early game I called you null and conceded to mathdino under pressure that me not having a read on you made you +equity scum, I never hard scumread or pushed you so I'm having some difficulties understanding that town thought process whereas that's exactly the kind of scum reaction I'd expect.

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Hi there alonzo baby can you forgive my prior trespasses against your winrate

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I'll miss you horrordude, you're my spirit animal this game even if I disagree with most of your reads

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I thought you'd died alone a long long time ago

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Ladies and gentlemen this evening's presentation will start at 8:00 PM EDT since everyone is just lurking waiting for something to happen, so I will give everything something to happen.

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Go away

I have a game to win

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Are you ready

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Fuck you for trying to make me start early

I'm waiting 15 minutes now because of you

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I'm not gonna be part of this system

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830

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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to this evening's presentation.

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Announcer: Tonight on the AnonyShowst we have our guest speaker RadiantCowbells, who is a Mafia Player from Canada. Please give him a warm round of applause!

Crowd applauds for an uncomfortably long time.

RadiantCowbells: Hi Anony, I'm glad to be here! It's been so long since we were on a show together.
AnonyGhost: Wait a second we can't discuss-
RadiantCowbells: Oh right. Hmm.

Both people on stage sit there awkwardly.

AnonyGhost: Anyway, we brought you on to discuss your reads?
RadiantCowbells: Right, my reads. Well I'm fairly certain I have two scum pinned based on mutual interactions and individual play.
AnonyGhost: Can you name them?
RadiantCowbells: No.

Another awkward silence.

AnonyGhost: Well how are you going to lynch the scum and win the game without outing them?
RadiantCowbells: Well obviously the other townies in the game are going to solve it without my help!

Laugh track plays, some scattered applause and whooping from the audience.

RadiantCowbells: No but really. We're playing in a game where the vast majority of the game is 0 content posting.
AnonyGhost: Right. They should stop lurking, I'm doing my best to prod them.
RadiantCowbells: Aaaaaaand that makes me feel bad trying to solve the game individually because even if I almost solve the game then-
AnonyGhost: RADIANTCOWBELLS.
RadiantCowbells: Right. Anyway, I can't just hand town two scum and expect them to win. Town has to work for them and earn them.
AnonyGhost: But what if town is just going to 0 content the rest of the game and you're going to lose?
RadiantCowbells: Well then that sucks. But what choice do I have?

Silence, even from the audience.

AnonyGhost: You could catch all three scum.

Scattered gasps, the audience gazes are fixed on the pair.

RadiantCowbells: On day 1? That's impossible I can't-
Anonyghost: You need to believe. And you know the first step to catching three scum?
RadiantCowbells: What is it?
AnonyGhost: Catching two scum.
RadiantCowbells: ...
AnonyGhost: ...
RadiantCowbells: So you're saying that I should...
AnonyGhost: Yes. Out the scum.
RadiantCowbells: ...Fine. But if town still loses I'm going to be super salty I am going to egg everyone's houses I'm-
AnonyGhost: The scum?
RadiantCowbells: Alright. Let me explain to you who two of the scum are.

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This has ended up exceedingly wordy as I've tried to rebut counterarguments in the post itself to make this as clean as possible. It's still coming!

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My scumpairing is...

Spoiler: Scum Pairing

Skitter30 and Implosion

But why?

Spoiler: This is why.

And that's AI because ...?

I mean if you want me to turn on 'sounding like an SAT prep class' mode I can but I find that tends to make people less likely to read what I say, and people tend to gloss over my posts as is so I try to make my posts as readable as possible

The 'u' thing is a product of occasionally phone posting

This is a relatively minor point but I have so, so many times seen scum use this excuse when they're playing differently than their norm.
In my recent experience with Skitter up to / including the newbie game she has played exactly like I've always seen her and I've always been super quick to read her as town.
Using the 'I am changing my playstyle' card is super common from scum playing different and it belies a self awareness about the whole playstyle that isn't usually there as town
people play the way they do as town because it's how they play, most people don't consciously change that and I don't really buy skitter feeling the need to change her playstyle here.
Particularly when she would be trusting me to take her input seriously and read her correctly, if I were town.

Shortly following that on the same page, we have the following few posts by Implosion.

Invisibility/skygazer town.

Rando has practically claimed scum though.

skitter's overuse of the letter u is very scummy though for sure

Just pick any one of his posts and read it. It should be self-evident.

VOTE: wgeurts

So Implosion does two things here that are of relevance.

1) He establishes an accordance with my prior read that Skitter is being scummy, which is something that scum would want to do.*
2) He doesn't follow up on it at all, and instead votes Wgeurts without actually giving a reason for doing so.

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@implosion: why has rando practically scumclaimed?

First off, this is a rather forced interaction.
Second off, look at the sheer number of interactions that Implo has with Skitter. It's super excessive and it's super excessive because they're trying to look not SvS after Skitter was jumped on early.
It's more interactions than anyone including me and given I was actively pushing her and am presumably her go to person to bounce reads off of it's rather strange outside of the SvS explanation.

Why is cheekiness more likely to be town motivated?

It's not necessarily, and I'm not claiming it is. But it certainly can be.

Do you think scum would be particularly likely to take the kind of risk to make that kind of vote, explicitly say to the moderator that they didn't want it to count as a vote, and then wait for someone to quickhammer? I find it hard to put stock into that.

Gonna tackle the original cheekiness and this together
I don't think that this is how Implosion deals with this read as town. Besides the 'find it hard to put stock into that' being an incredibly weasel worded and scummy way of phrasing it just feels really bad.
I would call this a TMI read except he doesn't even TMI it because he weasel words it the entire time and says hard to put stock into that and particularly likely instead of standing by the reads that he has.
But again: this isn't how town!Implo deals with this readon. This is how scum!Implo tries to seem like a reasonable townie.

i think that fake-hammer comes from town more often than not; i dont' really see scum faking a vote like that. like there's no town motivation, sure - but i don't think there's any scum motivation either

it's too ... brazen almost to come from scum and i don't think that scum!vizzy plays like that tbh

Again, another thing that doesn't really make sense coming from town.
And again it's not the argument itself that's wrong, I fundamentally do agree with both positions, it's how they both talk about it that to me suggests that they're scum.
Even just the ellipses and the whole structure of how the point is made, but I also want to add in all the weasel wording wrt 'i dont think', 'dont really see', 'brazen almost', 'dont think', 'tbh'.
I don't think that this is how either of them justify this read if they had them as town.

overall i don't care that much rn cuz i know that town!you can read me properly so i'm sure you'll figure it out eventually. and the more i think about it i think scum!you scurmeads me here given the newbie

Again I already pointed this out as the thing I wanted a response to because the position doesn't make sense coming from town.
It does as I said make sense coming from scum who is afraid that I'm gonna full on deathtunnel her (hint: I am) and needs to in advance justify it as a scummy move to try to get me lynched instead.

this wagon is kinda meh

Can you be more specific?

And why Skygazer? Is it just what you mentioned in 58?

comprised of rvs votes + naked vote from a guy who's only post is that naked vote + someone who wagoned him for the sake of being wagoned + your vote which is just kinda there and i don't know why you voted him

also on a guy who hasn't posted since rvs who i dont' really think is scummy rn

also no cw or resistance

basically the votes aren't that good and i don't scumread the person it's on and the gamestate is loosely pointing to town!wgeurts

also i want to hear more about popo's vote since he announced l-1 (without unvoting or anything) whicih indicates to me he was kinda worried about the wagon getting too high but his vote was literally for the sake of the wagon happening so announcing l1 felt kinda off to me

p-edit:

cuz i don't think you're particularly scummy right now

she tends to feel more engaged in my (admittedly limited) experience - everythign she's posted is just kinda ... banal (like asking why she was townread). those sorts of posts make me feel like she's looking for somethign to post about

and i dislike that she ignored 58

skygazer town.

y tho

i actually somehow managed to miss this. I think 51 is town; the logic for townreading skitter looks somewhat genuine/unlikely to be faked. I really don't buy the logic about skygazer was thinking about what people are relatively lynchable -> skygazer is scum.

Actually yeah.

Unvote

VOTE: skitter

So there's a laundry list of terrible things in this list. I'm going to start from the bottom up because interestingly (and I believe this is the first time I make it clear) it is Implo I am far more convinced is scum.

1) The entire formatting of Implo's final post is scummy as hell. The 'actually yeah' is so telegraphed and such a scum indicator in this context for reasons you'll just have to trust me on.
2) Look at the actual reason that Implo votes Skitter it boils down to 'I DONT AGREE WITH SKITTERS SKYGAZER READ ERGO SHE IS A FUCKING SCUM BITCH'

Now WRT Skitter who is also terrible

3) (And this is SUPER indicative) 'cuz I dont think you are particularly scummy right now' WHY IS THAT EVEN IN QUESTION. WHY IS SKITTER IMPLICITLY ASSUMING THAT SHE HAS TO JUSTIFY NOT VOTING IMPLO.
NEVER HAS SHE INDICATED ANY SORT OF SCUMREAD OR ANYTHING. But as scum who knows that they're scum, yes it might seem to you like you have to justify not voting your scumpartner.
The most that she had said was that she 'didnt know why he was voting him' (which is again a very SvS way for that interaction to go down because you allow your partner to explain themselves then change your mind.)
4) Wgeurts read is really just blah and I expect better from Skitter.

Also importantly note that Implo never really pushes her he just... asks questions and interacts with her in that way to try to look like he's sorting.
I say this but he voted, right, so that must change something?
Wrong!

I also do want to hear more from popo about the vote. Both popo->horror and horror->invisibility sort of look like lazy scum votes. They're both really easy things to vote for, though I don't think horror's is especially likely to be indicative of scum.

IMMEDIATELY after voting, he starts talking about other people who could potentially be scum. No effort to help me get momentum on Skitter, just immediately talking about other people.

like i say i think vizzy is possibly town and her response is basically - it's townie she's townreading someone who could be lynchbait - which pings me because that makes me think she's viewing vizzy as potential lynchbait

like she's giving me townpoints for calling lynchbait gut-town on page2 - her response to what i did feels stronger than it ought to be almost; i don't think that's something to really townread me for because if i were scum and wanted to pivot onto vizzy it would be the easiest thing in the world to drop my page2 gut townread given his playstyle

like i kinda got the vibe that she was giving townpoints because she as scum would not want to townread him because his playstyle makes him imminently lynchable

idk i'm having trouble articulating what pinged me there

And this response to Implo is, frankly, garbage.
On top of the fact that generally overly questioning townreads on you is usually the realm of scum.
Skygazer's read is fundamentally reasonable and she even acknowledges that it generally makes sense, she just jumps because it seems stronger but like why is that what skitter does
It's just bad. But even worse?

Eh I'm not especially interested in horror. I don't think his vote is particularly likely to come from scum the more I think about it. The tone of 105 sort of screams "I want to be the center of attention in the game" which scum are relatively loathe to do early on.

skitter's explanation in 147 also makes sense.

VOTE: wgeurts

Sorry, missed that.

I (still) don't really like wgeurts's early posting and don't really buy the wagon on you. Mostly 42 feels like a bit of a throwaway question on page two.

And after an objectively weak post, which Skygazer agreed with me was weak, Implo is off to give a throwaway line about the Skitter unvote, TMI read horrordude with more weasel words and say some generally stupid things, and start pushing the wagon elsewhere (and Horrordude is never a good push her because he's kinda obviously leaning towards town at the very least and he would know that the good people would shut that down.)

So let's break this down

1) Skitter does scummy things
2) Implo agrees skitter is doing scummy things
3) Skitter justifies scummy Things
4) Implo votes them
5) Implo talks about other people being potential scum without really pushing them
6) SKitter gives a really bad explanation why her read is what it is
7) Implo unvotes and goes elsewhere.

So yeah, they're scum.

VOTE: Implosion

100% sure this flips scum, I'm above 90% on Skitter but to me this is the more important flip because I think Implo is far more capable of weaseling his way out than Skitter at this point.

*The elephant in the room, possibly, is going to be... why does Implosion feel the need to treat my scumread on Skitter the way he does? Why not just straight defend or ignore her?
The answer requires an understanding of both Implosion's general playstyle and my relationship with Skitter.
I

guarantee

you that Skitter before I said anything mentioned that I am highly likely to catch her and that she will need to be careful.
There's an understanding that everyone on the scumteam should have that I am a massive threat to Skitter because of my high consistency catching her and my ability to project that read onto others.
Implosion would not just let me strongarm Skitter without getting a piece of the pie. This is exactly what he does as scum here.
He as often as possible early on agrees that Skitter is being scummy while doing his best to avoid making her a wagon. That is precisely what he has done in this game. Until my attention gets distracted.
It's a transparent SvS as well interaction for gut reasons just based on how he's talking which I can't necessarily explain in the best words, but I expect someone to make the argument
"Why would he care, why would he bus, why wouldn't he just ignore your read on Skitter" well that's the reason that he would play this game in this manner.
He doesn't want to hardbus her because Implo isn't that kind of player, he doesn't want to hard defend her because he can easily get clusterfucked, he doesn't want to ignore her because bad associatives...
so the play that Implo would make is to appear like he's sincerely scumreading her while never actually pushing on her, and again, that's what he does here.
Until he notices that she's not getting momentum and finds an excuse to get his vote elsewhere.

[RadiantCowbells]

Aren't you thankful?

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You're welcome to after reading my post just naked vote the person that I voted because they're always flipping scum.
We're ignoring any PR claims that come out of them because they are absolutely going to claim PR as scum in this situation.
I would appreciate some effort to solve the game later on after I'm dead though because if I don't get protectives on me my lifespan won't be long.

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I extremely rarely put that kind of effort into a day 1 to both solve that and case it

you owe me a sheep naow

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we don't have that kind of town you neopets loving smiley face sigging

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!

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But that would be mean

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if you keep doing whatever this NM push is i'll lynch you third.

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no for now pls just quicklynch

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bro

im tryna carry

i dont need your bla bla bla bla

look at that sexy case and realize that you are never going to be as sexy as i am

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so is this a policy lynch because you hate the dude?

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you could jsut ask him to replace out if you don't want to play with him

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'anticipate rc'

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i dunno what it means

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OK LISTEN THE FUCK UP

i was the only person in the game who thought the original slot was scummy

everyone told me i was wrong

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no i meant last game not this game jfc

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like I kept my read out of the equation

everyone who died thought NMs slot was town besides you

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well you don't get lynched today, implosion does

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there does potentially exist a universe where there's some explanation that's just Implo being scum and interacting with you in a clearly insincere way not because you're SvS but because it just happpened that way
he's the one I'm sure is scum. you're just rly scummy and look bad
Are you probably gonna be brought down at some point if you're town because of how much those interactions look like they're SvS? Probably. sucks to be you in that case, unless you won't vote implo

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yeah no

you're his buddy and you're going tomorrow.

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1v1 between me and implo please, no voting elsewhere

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I thought I was trying to differentiate myself from what I did in the newbie

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but that said

it's almost like when I'm scum... I try to play like I do as town...



really sorry if you're town but from this point on if you're not going to vote implo it's -equity for me to even consider the possibility of you being town from here on out given how low the probability already is.

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also keep in mind me being lynched that game was a gift because i wanted to make a point to mathdino that lynching me doesn't win town the game with how well I can set up my partners, only reason I made that play

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i mean i really don't care? but I'm not going to follow up on a 20%ish probability of you being town if you're going to try to prevent a scum lynch when my read on the scumteam is that they're trying their hardest not to bus.

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like literally the remainder of this game while implosion alive is to spam that he needs to die and continue to case him
that will continue to tomorrow with you given that you are resisting the aforementioned implosion wagon
if you have somehow convinced yourself that as town that bussing implo to get an easier lynch on you when I could tear you to shreds and face no repercussions for it is the right play, you do you.

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only reason I'm interacting with you is in the hopes that your vote ends up on implo so I make this phase of the game as painless as possible because forcing a lynch on someone like implo can get brutal.

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i mean you're in a situation where I've called you scum together and pointed out how your associatives are god awful and even without me tomorrowthere's almost no chance of you individually reaching endgame
if you see bussing as a dead end since you're going to end up dying to my d1 case anyway, you're better off trying to discredit me, get a lynch elsewhere, and hope that you can get a nightkill on me and have people forget I exist.

for you to pretend it's implausible of me to take the line of thinking that I have is completely disingenuous.

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again, i'm not voting someone i don't scumread right now, especially not when you're actively pressuring/bullying me into it on the threat of you tying him to me if he flips scum

you're already tied together I am not -tying you to him- yall have awful associatives and that's something in the game that I did not create for the sake of waving a stick at you.

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like stop making excuses for not voting implosion: you're not voting implosion. that's done. the lynch is going to go through without you regardless of your alignment and you're going to follow when he flips scum.

if you want to be useful start trying to look for partners.

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ok well I'm going to talk to the other 10 people in this game who are neither you me nor implosion.

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1 question actually

if you 100% knew I was town would you follow me here

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the answer ftr has 0 application in this specific game, I'm asking it for broader reasons of understanding

if you have to lie because scum pls remind me after the game about it.

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noted

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my claim to fame as town is that when I'm really really sure of something it's right
I have diluted that in recent years by being willing to all in on lower percentages (which has increased my town winrate overall even if it means a lot more people remember me messing up.)

but this isn't even close to a lower percentage all in. it's not liiiteraly 100% surety but I would be rocked to my core if I was wrong on this.
I'm sure enough to be willing to pull out all this stops short of literal guilty fakeclaim, I'm agreeing to be lynched if it's wrong (which is probably pro-town given everyone would paranoia murder me if I lived to lylo) and that should be enough, I think.

but maybe it's not enough. this conversation obviously holds no value if you're scum but I'm having it for the sake of everyone in the game understanding where I stand.

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anything further I want to say to everything that you just said which I horrendously disagree with can wiat until I know whether or not you're just sayign that because scum.

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fwiw, a confirmed inno on you would not change my read on implosion.

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Most of the reason he is scum is stuff only i would understand

I've done my best to make the case broadly understandable

But no one else has put the effort in to do shit thus far and I'm literally just going to sit here telling y'all that he's scum till he gets lynched no matter how long it takes.

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ordinarily?

absolutely her flaking is scum indicative for her.

but she's site flaked entirely which I don't think is especially scum indicative for her. I wish I had something to read her off of before she site flaked but I don't.

[RadiantCowbells]

mod can you freeze the deadline until >Half of this game gets replaced with people who want to play the game?

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wow no one is in prod range huh

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The issue is that I don't think I can reasonably get this implo lynch through in the time that remains

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I'm not really strictly a fan of the wagon itself for a couple reasons

(people on it,

the composition of my own wagon).

yeah i was wondering if this was bothering you since the list of people you listed as not townreading overlaps quite a bit with the people you're voting with

he's scum and voting the place that's most likely to result in a non-him lynch before deadline.

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then when called out on it he places a vote in a place that you support and is therefore gonna draw at least 1 vote away

Right now I have a townset of something like {invisibility, skygazer, alchemist, skitter, horror, weakly randomidget, weakly RC}

townset doesn't matter when push comes to shove

[RadiantCowbells]

can u just lolcat please so I don't have to invest mental energy in this game

[RadiantCowbells]

implo is being very reasonable but that doesn't make him town.

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skitter I'm going to make you dance to my beat if I'm scum and shutting me down when I'm town won't help that.

it'll be easier for all parties involved if you just write it off as a loss at role distribution.

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or

crazy suggestion

take the time to do a deep meta dive, look for tells that I'm not aware of, and use them to read me.

kind of like what I did with implosion, or with LLD, or with various other people who I wanted to be able to read consistently for various different reasons

[RadiantCowbells]

implo is being very reasonable but that doesn't make him town.

like you can make sense while not being town and it took me like three dayphases to figure that out.

like you make a lot of sense here but i don't know if you've actually posted anything much ai

i'm very very aware that you have a tendency to reinforce my own opinions in order to get what you want

I have a scumread

you're pointing out that they're being scummy

i'm like yeah you're right they're being scummy

[RadiantCowbells]

this is mafia

if I'm town I have to get you to vote scum
if I'm scum I have to get you to vote town (or whatever suits my purposes at the time!)

I'm going to corral your vote because it's how the game is played.

[RadiantCowbells]

eh I wasn't even referring to that.

I don't trust people to just follow the order and I'm scared you'll start thinking for yourselves at some point and just not lynch implosion or not lynch brian because they're writing semi-reasonable words.

[RadiantCowbells]

(not that, if I was doing so, it would be scummy. it would be what it is.)

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think you're scum anymore though

I was a little reluctant to point that out in case it made it harder to lynch implosion.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you want to sort me, looking into the 'what' of my gameplay is worthless. instead look into the 'why' of my gameplay. My process of persuading people to vote people is pretty indistinguishable, but my motivations aren't.

Either there's two conclusions to draw here

1) My push on Mathdino is utterly indistinguishable from my push on Implosion here in which case I'm literally impossible to read and the best play is to treat me like I'm town (the by the numbers play)
or
2) My push on Mathdino is somehow distinguishable from my push on Implosion and by seeing that difference you can read me here and in future games.

[RadiantCowbells]

gonna go ahead and answer for implo

'I was just wagoning it to see how she reacted and confirm/deny my read'

which is in actuality

'I was just wagoning it in the hopes that it would do something scummy and get lots of momentum and I could have a justified read transition'

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean

i had it open in another tab because I was reading that game trying to get ideas about how to lock this lynch in

you will notice the response was instantaneous because of that and that was in fact what I was thinking of when I responded



That said: so what if I was quoting you? So what if I was trying to convince you that someone I think is scum is scum? What does this magical town me that you're differentiating me from do differently?

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think answering that question right now helps either of us. If I am somehow alive to tomorrow I will answer it then.

[RadiantCowbells]

I lurked because I was doctor

note that 3/4 of my scumreads on D1 were scum, I locktowned you pretty quickly, etc.

[RadiantCowbells]

And seriously why wouldn't I as town directly reinforce you when you're on what I think is the right track? You're saying 'oh this is similar to something you do as scum' referring to some of the most NAI building blocks of how mafia is played.

like basically i'm worried that you're seeing me doubt implosion so you're reinforcing the things i doubt in order to get me to vote there

and i know that this is a tactic you used successfully on me as scum so i'm very wary that something similar seemed to happen here

You are correct: I am seeing you doubt implosion so I'm backing you up on the stuff that I agree with you on in order to get you to vote there. Isn't that how mafia is played?

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay here's the simple answer- If the way I corralled people to vote other people was different between alignments I would get lynched a lot more and be a lot less successful as scum than I am.

You could do your own meta dive and figure it out?

[RadiantCowbells]

it's almost like as scum I could pick and choose how I interact with you to try to get you to townread me but as town I have to play the path towards town winning which is a lot narrower than how scum can play the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I have to lynch Implosion because I'm town and he's scum. That's what has to happen and I have to pursue that happening.
If I were scum I could do whatever the fuck I want and not play to what you perceive as my scum meta.

Idk what you want from me? To not push scum because you're going to get scared of me because of it?
Everyone on this site is paranoid of my scumgame. People flat out refusing to work with me because they are afraid of me is more common and less an outlier.

But I still need to try to win games when I roll town. This is how I do that. You can't tell me to play differently to earn your trust when that's playing against wincon as town and easy to do as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh sorry anony I stole your pagetop

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't understand how you see this as me being sneaky about getting you to vote implosion when I've spent the last two days yelling at everyone to vote implosion.

[RadiantCowbells]

like

ALL YOUR DUMB ASSES NEED TO VOTE OBVSCUM IMPLOSION

am not sneaky snek, am brazen noodl

i'm not telling you not to play against your wincon if you're town

i'm telling you not to be manipulative when you want me to vote with you

those aren't the same thing

What does 'not being manipulative' look like in the context of trying to get you to vote scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

And if you're going to say I should let you reach your own conclusions and vote whoever then

NO

. if I let everyone reach their own conclusions town is going to be a disorganized mess and end up lynching town.
Someone has to lead town. Without a leader that happens when apathy eventually forms a wagon at EoD that hits town.

If anyone had useful input to give I'd follow it. I looked over Skygazer like 5 times because it was your read and I never got past null.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I had to pick an alignment I'd say town but I don't feel strongly about her being such.
I can say there's nothing that I scumread in her ISO?
I don't agree with your interpretation that she was being excessive townreading you

I would need more from her to townread her but I'm fine with the fact that she's voting implo at least.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really see it.

[RadiantCowbells]

also you know that like half your implosion case was based on 'bad' associatives with me ... if you're now townreading me how does that affect your read on him?

It rly doesn't. I said from the get go that you being town doesn't change anything. I thought you were +likely scum because your associatives were bad but fundamentally it was always about implosion.
it just changes 'scum interaction with scumbuddy' to 'scum doing a piss poor job of looking like they were trying to sort a townie'.

most of what I am scumreading him for isn't in the case either, it's meta quirks that I don't feel like letting implosion know about.

like a lot of her votes are on wagons that are happening and she's just sheeping but isn't like interacting with the person in any way

Am I interacting with implosion in any way besides the bare minimum of courtesy though?

Should she -not- be sheeping me?

[RadiantCowbells]

So there's a laundry list of terrible things in this list. I'm going to start from the bottom up because interestingly (and I believe this is the first time I make it clear) it is Implo I am far more convinced is scum.

^^

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't really think that the horror thing is scummy? Like if anything I think as scum she's more likely to try to fake thought processes and such

again I'm not like townreading her but I think that's a really banal reason to scumread that's going to catch town as often as scum

Does your read on Skygazer change if Implo flips scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also don't think that sheeping someone who made a massive case and demanded sheeps is scummy

[RadiantCowbells]

gnite!

[RadiantCowbells]

like i feel like this wagon was built because rc is ramming it down people's throats and not necessarily because people independantly think he's scummy

i'm completely fine with this

given how poor the town winrate is on this site right now if people independently thought he was scummy that would if anything indicate he is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

i feel like implosion is really close to redeeming himself btw

he's rly not redeeming himself whatsoever.

[RadiantCowbells]

you can't be an edgy teen with a neopets avi

[RadiantCowbells]

not edgy enough

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

go play hannah and the pirate caves

[RadiantCowbells]

ADAM

!

Hi laserguy!

[RadiantCowbells]

it's spelled adam clearly

[RadiantCowbells]

ball python is best python

[RadiantCowbells]

laserguy may not be adam

but can we call him adam anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

skygazer pls read my last

[RadiantCowbells]

<3

[RadiantCowbells]

something something questioning reads on me that are rly obvious X_X

[RadiantCowbells]

pls no don't do me like this alonzo

[RadiantCowbells]

town rly wants to lose I guess.

[RadiantCowbells]

fuck off I can't sit and tell everyone you're scum all my life.

[RadiantCowbells]

if town wants to lose that's their prerogative, I've done my part and you should never survive today. if skitter and co want to hand scum a free mislynch that's on them.

[RadiantCowbells]

>RC can't literally sit in this thread 24 hours and point out that even though you've already scumclaimed, even though virtually every slot in the game agrees that you're scummy, counterwagons keep forming and one of them is probably going to be lynched and flip town because

-Alonzo is trying to policy lynch NM for unknown reasons
-Skitter refuses to do anything that I support because my scumgame's good
-Invis idk about that vote swap
-Everyone else is completely out of the game content wise

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean i suppose i am being a bully this game

but to get anything done in mafia you have to be a bully

its not like I could talk through reads with anyone because the only person actually in present to talk reads through with is skitter... who policy refuses to go off of reads that are mine because convincing people to my reads is what i do as scum

[RadiantCowbells]

it all adds up to the same thing skitter.

[RadiantCowbells]

like i'm sure in your head everything you're doing makes perfect sense and it's not fair that I'm the 'one' person who is acting like you doing this is not okay

but consider that I'm the 'one' person to whom you do this too, maybe a few others but I don't know if you have any experience with someone who really merits this kind of paranoia

multiply that one over the solid 50% of the site who treats me in some way that makes life far more difficult for town me, with about 10% of those basically attempting to policy lynch me on appearance, a solid 15% never trusting me and taking any excuse to deathtunnel me and then blame me for it if it goes south, then the other 25% just not working with me like they'd work with other people

this is just a discrete incident to you but it's every game to me, and i'm sure all of you think you have gr8 reasons for being the way you are but it adds up to a bad experience for me.

[RadiantCowbells]

here's a question: why are so many people townreading alchemist?

[RadiantCowbells]

spicy

[RadiantCowbells]

rly sorry if I was wrong on this (I don't think I was!) but my only other scumread here was alchemist21 and everyone was townreading them and I figured

1) the incredibly lazy vote on implo makes more sense as a bus than anything else
2) implo has done enough that I wouldn't be happy seeing him in endgame so the lynch might as well go through
and most importantly
3) couldn't get a better lynch before deadline, ever with the way town is approaching this game

like if he's not scum there was no chance of scum getting lynched today anyway so meh

don't think skitter understands how this game works wrt her skygazer push that never goes through if she's scum but easily creates an alternative for scum to push if she's town

[RadiantCowbells]

where adam votes, one cannot go wrong voting as well

[RadiantCowbells]

not that i want to lynch her but the skygazer CW logic does not make her town.

[RadiantCowbells]

@sky why is alchemist obvtown

[RadiantCowbells]

i see the writing on the wall wrt the bbt death so I guess I only have one more day to tryna gamesolve

glad i correctly townread bbt

[RadiantCowbells]

3/4 of my townreads are being voted rn

[RadiantCowbells]

Tbh I kinda think skygazee is town as well

[RadiantCowbells]

can someone explain to me how alchemist21 is town asking for s frirnd.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would put down money that if we hit scum today we still end up losing

[RadiantCowbells]

Skitter: how dare skygazer townread me that bitch I'll show her
Invisibility: I'm tunneling popo also I claim edge while having a neopets avi
Alonzo: ok
Alchemist21: hi I'm scum can I vote where I was voting yesterday tyia

[RadiantCowbells]

That said skygazer definitely has at least some scum equity

So don't really fault that vote

I am more just bored and wanna make fun of ppl

[RadiantCowbells]

I ain't dissin neopets I used to play so much Hannah and the pirate caves

I'm missing you claiming to be edgy in conjunction with neopey

[RadiantCowbells]

All of your mothers wear army boots >_<

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: notLchemist22

[RadiantCowbells]

Okkkkkk

[RadiantCowbells]

actually dont wait it doesnt really matter

Kaching

[RadiantCowbells]

it's funny, regardless of his alignment this game is making me understand why rc is primarily known for his scumgame

and that's fair.

[RadiantCowbells]

You cannot comprehend the true form of alchemist21's alignment

[RadiantCowbells]

If an infinite number of skitters read an infinite number of posting from an infinite number of monkeys typing random keys not one skitter would be able to townread him for his play

[RadiantCowbells]

Skygazer scumgame is threatening

[RadiantCowbells]

false advertising

[RadiantCowbells]

@N_M since when is your approach to the game to try to get my attention

[RadiantCowbells]

fuck the police

[RadiantCowbells]

I request a prod on RadiantCowbells

[RadiantCowbells]

Aww. Maybe I just like getting pms from you

[RadiantCowbells]

Skygazer scum worries me

[RadiantCowbells]

Why does she come in putting you in the same tier of townread as me

[RadiantCowbells]

Do I still get to take potshots at skitter if her counter agony was also scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Also when does town call a wagon zesty

[RadiantCowbells]

I think over 50% of the time skygazer alch NM is a win

[RadiantCowbells]

That is a zesty post

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi I'm Postie

[RadiantCowbells]

Lynching skitter would be fun let's do it

[RadiantCowbells]

Like pretty fun

At least 6/10 amusing

[RadiantCowbells]

But is it possible to eat pie without getting spaghetti sauce all over my face

[RadiantCowbells]

Alchemist21 I'm not seeing any of the usual thoughtfulness that I'd expect from town you.

[RadiantCowbells]

All your posts have been extremely shallow and I don't expect that from town!you

[RadiantCowbells]

How? Wagon dynamics are pretty telling imo, and I wouldn’t say my reason for Townreading you is anywhere near shallow.

It's among the worst parts of your iso? I'm an incredibly aggressive scum player most of the time and I refuse to let towns rip themselves apart on principle. if town is low efforting I make them play the game and have a real game.

[RadiantCowbells]

please link that agme?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh.

That's not representative of my scum play whatsoever, I don't record my hydra stats and nsg wasn't trying at all so I didn't feel like trying either + I didn't really feel like playing with some of the stuff that was said early in the gae.m

[RadiantCowbells]

Amazing that I remember all these games from forever ago but not recent ones.

[RadiantCowbells]

skygazer how personally upset would you be if I mislynched you here

[RadiantCowbells]

congratulations

[RadiantCowbells]

aww thats sweet

now I don't wanna lynch you

maybe we just lynch the alch

[RadiantCowbells]

you are free to lynch his sorry butt when I"m gone.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't really scumread Skygazer, but at the same time I don't really expect to because I didn't scumread her in her scum games nor have I really seen a difference

note that I haven't made like a phenomenal effort to get a read on her because I don't have the mental energy and don't expect to before the end of this day but ugh

[RadiantCowbells]

I know when I know things and I also know when I don't and right now I don't know things

I need halp

[RadiantCowbells]

hi town im dad

[RadiantCowbells]

i've been told you claim scum as town and town as scum town, are you scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

still thinking that my boy alch is scum

[RadiantCowbells]

lol

[RadiantCowbells]

is it selfish of me to say that I basically want to just say yall should just sheep me because I was right yesterday

[RadiantCowbells]

meh

like who knows

I don't think there's much reason to scumread or townread randomidget he's just kinda there

should go before endgame but imo there's better lynches for today particularly while i'm alive

[RadiantCowbells]

this wagon is why I don't respect towns btw

[RadiantCowbells]

so make a better case on alch... Toneread aint gonna be enough for most.

what's the case on randomidget? that he's lurking? like your wagon isn't better

[RadiantCowbells]

mine