Scumleague FF 2018 (First Game 9/6)

[PokerFace]

PPR would alleviate emphasis that points place on RB, but because the the current NFL does not have that many teams that live and breath on the strength of the RB, finding good rbs for the rb spot will be hard. PPR wouldn't alleviate the positional requirements.

We would have to have 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 W/R/T with PPR to alleviate it from both aspects.

PPR by itself both eliminates the emphasis AND the burden by A) giving more points to receivers and B) increasing the pool of viable running backs that can be played i.e Duke Johnson, Jerrick McKinnon, Christian Mccaffery, Chris Thompson are all basically unplayable in standard.

Even if ppr makes wrs and rbs relativly the same value pointswise, someone with 3 viable rbs and 2 wr is still in a better position than someone with 1rb and 4 viable wrs.

I have had the misfortune of being in leagues where people hoarded certain positions early and would not trade or would force you into a bad trade just so you could fill a position.

[mith]

Relevant: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/8/15 ... first-down

(I would guess PPFD would help TEs and third-down RBs more than WRs, but at least it makes more sense relative to on-the-field performance.)

[BROseidon]

Y'all know that .5 PPR exists too, right?

[BROseidon]

IMO .5 ppr > ppr > standard

[mith]

Everything I said about PPR applies to half-PPR.

[T-Bone]

I'd be down for .5 PPR, but I'm not going to get upset about it one way or another.

[BROseidon]

I mean ultimately we're all playing by the same rule set, it's just nice to make the top RBs slightly less OP (which is the main perk of PPR/.5 PPR)

[PJ.]

My point about emphasis was that 2.5 RB, 2.5 WR (which is what the standard Flex roster basically turns into) is so far removed from actual football schemes. I don't have any problem with RBs scoring more points than WRs (and that's really only true at the very top) - without Flex, it doesn't matter at all (since points are relative to replacement only within that position).

PPR eliminates the emphasis in a Flex league by (in theory) making the Flex decision shift strongly toward WR3 over RB3... Which is what 2 RB, 3 WR does anyway. (In practice, I'm not sure even that is true - ESPN's current rankings would have you draft 24 RBs and 26 WRs as starters in a 10 man league - their standard for those rankings - for non-PPR... and 25 RBs and 25 WRs in PPR).

And yes, PPR does make certain RBs more playable... at the expensive of making other RBs less playable. PPR also leads to some bizarre scoring, IMO (a 0 yard catch should not be worth as much as a 10 yard run).

I would not be opposed to playing PPR sometime, but I don't think it objectively makes the fantasy football experience any more interesting. It's a matter of preference - and Scumleague has always been non-PPR.

If you want "actual football schemes" why don't we have IDPs then? And only 1 rb? Because fantasy football has nothing to do with real football strategy and IDPs are no fucking fun even though it's more like real football. PPR is both fun and solves your problem, also evens up the scoring (both at the top and the middle).

And yeah, some running backs become valuable, but only slightly and most of them were pretty undesirable to begin with. Marshawn Lynch was the 19th highest scoring RB in Standard last year. Lativius Murray was the 20th. Both of them only had 5 games where they wouldn't of ruined your fantasy week and one of Murray's was week 17. PPR smoothes that out. You're worst starter is no longer unplayable half the season or more.

If your aren't opposed to playing ppr, a fairly large contingent would rather play some form of ppr then "standard"(which is no longer standard ftr), then why not play ppr?

Also other Ringer media that completely irrelevant to the discussion, Bill Simmons posted a twitter poll of what's better, PPR or standard, and 60-something percent said ppr. So let's not bring The Ringer into this.

[Xalxe]

I mean ultimately we're all playing by the same rule set, it's just nice to make the top RBs slightly less OP (which is the main perk of PPR/.5 PPR)

But my Gurley strategy!

[PokerFace]

just to clarify I am not apposed to ppr, I just don't think its a perfect solution. I would not be against PPFD since it sound interesting. Would certainly solve the issue of a 0 yard catch being worth the same as a 10 yard run.

[Nero Cain]

#keepMSpprfree

[PokerFace]

By the way, how we picking draft order. What luke gonna do for this mith?

[Nero Cain]

I was just going to random.org it unless we are doing something special.

[mith]

I

don't

want actual football schemes (my comment on the previous page re: 1 RB should reflect that). What I do want is for the RB:WR ratio to make more sense than I feel it does in the 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex suggestion (ESPN standard) that I was actually discussing on the previous page. One way to do that is our current roster setup; another is PPR. (FWIW, PPFD probably makes this worse, since starting RBs should do well on getting first downs; anyway was not promoting PPFD or suggesting we change to it - just thought it was interesting that that was posted this morning).

I don't have any concrete evidence that PPR

does

solve that problem, at least in the draft (see comment about pre-draft rankings). But more importantly to my previous post, if it

did

solve that problem it would be doing so by dragging 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex closer to 2 RB, 3 WR. (Case in point: it's just one year, but for 2017, the top 50 RB/WR at season end would have split exactly 20/30.) That's not really an argument for PPR so much as an argument against Flex.

To reiterate: I am

not

arguing that 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 Flex is bad because non-PPR scoring. I am arguing that it's bad because having the same number of dedicated RB and WR slots doesn't make any sense given what current football schemes mean

for how many playable players there are at each position

. Personally, I also prefer not having the Flex slot because it forces players to consider the positions individually, but that is of course a personal preference, not some objective guideline of how to make fantasy football fun.

I concede that PPR

will

even out the RB1 vs. WR1 comparison. It

might

smooth things out in general, though I haven't seen evidence that backs that up. To take 2017 as an example again, the difference between the 1st and 20th RB in non-PPR was 176.8, vs. 211.8 for PPR; for WR1 vs. WR30, it's 102.8 and 138.5). PPR also weakens QBs even more than they already are (if the relative scoring difference increases for skill positions, then the unchanged relative scoring difference for QBs is worth less in the draft).

As for making Scumleague PPR - I'm not going to change the way we're doing things at this point (a week before our first draft). We can certainly take a vote on it for next year, though currently I'm not sure whether there is a "fairly large contingent" or just a vocal minority.

[mith]

I mean ultimately we're all playing by the same rule set, it's just nice to make the top RBs slightly less OP (which is the main perk of PPR/.5 PPR)

But my Gurley strategy!

See above stats - you would have been even more dominant last year with PPR...

[mith]

By the way, how we picking draft order. What luke gonna do for this mith?

I'll be doing something with Luke on Saturday (probably after his nap, since I'll have to get ready for Auction before his nap). Dunno what yet. I'll have to get a little more creative, since we have different league sizes.

[Xalxe]

I mean ultimately we're all playing by the same rule set, it's just nice to make the top RBs slightly less OP (which is the main perk of PPR/.5 PPR)

But my Gurley strategy!

See above stats - you would have been even more dominant last year with PPR...

Please understand I am very dumb and any success I have or will enjoy in this thread is as close to pure stupid luck as possible.

[mith]

You would have been even more dumb-lucky last year?

[Nero Cain]

you CAN make a "flex" spot that's just WR/TE.

[mith]

Honestly, I'd be more in favor of 2 RB, 4 WR/TE.

(This is why I don't play Mafia lately. No one reads my posts... )

[Nero Cain]

reading is hard though :/

[xRECKONERx]

.5 PPR is the best tbh but I also read that point for first down article and I'm in love

[Wraith]

I should be good for the L2 draft time

[D3f3nd3r]

By the way, how we picking draft order. What luke gonna do for this mith?

I'll be doing something with Luke on Saturday (probably after his nap, since I'll have to get ready for Auction before his nap). Dunno what yet. I'll have to get a little more creative, since we have different league sizes.

Just have him "order" 12 things and have two of them be arbitrary for the ten-man leagues.

[pickemgenius]

idgaf what the format is. if ppr next year max would be 0.5. love me some non ppr tho.