Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

pedit lol UFO plan is a dayvig RIP. Then Power Echo risk is negated if it's day.

So stuff like that. If someone could keep up with that that would be amazing. Then we're not having a jack shit ton of people going "what is going on" and checking out.

[the worst]

Can confirm that would be a delight

[The Dream Weaver]

Votecount 5.4

Leader: Sakura Hana

Kokichi Oma (2):

Kokichi Oma, the worst

Creature (1):

hebichan

Gamma Emerald (1):

Nero Cain

MathBlade(1):

Toranaga

Nosferatu (1):

Creature

Drixx (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

hebichan (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nero Cain (0):

Sando (0):

Theta Alpine(0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (9):

Drixx, Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, MathBlade, Nancy Drew 39, Nosferatu, Sakura Hana, Sando, Theta Alpine

With

15

players, it takes

8

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-20 11:00:00).

Frozen Angel has asked for replacement.

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Goo Generation:

Until the next Night Phase, anyone that successfully targets you will be covered in goo of a single color of your choice.

Petrification:

Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

Power Absorption:

You acquire any Superpowers that successfully target you.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

**Self-Detonation:

Target another player. Both you and that player will die.

Superhuman Tracking:

Target another player. You will know who that player targets this Night Phase.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

[the worst]

does vc = villainous character?

[Sakura Hana]

Damn i was hoping my question would've been in the FAQ already.
Regardless apparently self detonation kills both the player and the target, it does not count as a suicide, i think.
A bombing player may well be able to be doctored from dying from it, and it's also possible the presiding leader (me) can vig someone with it.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just double checking with the mod just in case.

[MathBlade]

Damn i was hoping my question would've been in the FAQ already.
Regardless apparently self detonation kills both the player and the target, it does not count as a suicide, i think.
A bombing player may well be able to be doctored from dying from it, and it's also possible the presiding leader (me) can vig someone with it.

@Sakura good to know. That alleviates my concerns from a quick overview. I will brainstorm on it more tonight.

Is there something else I need to be aware of Sakura? Can someone quickly outline the plan(s) we're doing/talking about and what risks there are?

[Sakura Hana]

Ok yes, i confirmed it.
If i use self detonation while being protected as leader it's basically a vig.
Same if someone doctors a bomber (But doctor only prevents 1 kill so if scum shoots them they'd still die)

[Sando]

And what happens if scum power echo the doc'd suicide bomber?

How about I offer to bomb duckling if given power, and Sakura doesn't confirm/deny whether I'm getting one?

If scum want to power-echo me they can risk it going on a Vanilla and wasting it, and if Drixx has nothing better to do with his powers he can doc me.

[MathBlade]

Ok yes, i confirmed it.
If i use self detonation while being protected as leader it's basically a vig.
Same if someone doctors a bomber (But doctor only prevents 1 kill so if scum shoots them they'd still die)

So the only risk to the second is if scum negate Drixx (again I think low risk) or if scum kill the bomber (again I think low risk).

[Sakura Hana]

Now here's an idea.
Nero and Tora run up together for leader and pick self detonate but dont use it (unless Nero wants to blow someone up), whoever gets leader uses it that night as a vig.
I'd ask that he be protected by Drixx but problem is if he uses it then he's vulnerable to the regular night kill.
Then we just cycle the leaders that have self detonate and have a vig every night.

[Sakura Hana]

At the very least, i can protect myself every other night, and vig on nights that i have leader, so long as scum dont have SS.

[the worst]

basically gives random townies a 1 shot vig? Not sure Nero and Tora would be my first choices for vig.

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm although Power Echo is still kind of a risk.

[the worst]

there's a simple elegant alternative, I think some of these plans are getting more elaborate than they need to

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry i just love vig roles, and the way we can convert a self detonate into a proper vig kinda made me excited.

[MathBlade]

Hmm although Power Echo is still kind of a risk.

I'm thinking we need to actually have a written out list of plans. I'm not sure which plans you're talking about.

Something like

Please make this better I did it really quick

Plan #1 -- Leader DayVig

Risk 1: Power negate on the leader target before they become leader thus the bomb doesn't go off?
-- Not really a risk, just like a dud vig.

Plan #2 -- Other Player DayVig

Risk 1: Risk here
Risk 2: Risk here

Plan #2 -- Other Player NightVig

Risk 1: Risk here
Risk 2: Risk here


Be back in a bit.

[the worst]

Actually just realised its prolly in our best interest to keep the day count as low as possible. More days and more powers = more unknown "oooOoOOOOoo but what if teh scumz [blank]?!??"

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah i forgot about dayvig, that addresses my concerns.

[MathBlade]

Oh yeah i forgot about dayvig, that addresses my concerns.

I literally put risk here?

So what exactly is the plan?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah i forgot about dayvig, that addresses my concerns.

I literally put risk here?

So what exactly is the plan?

I dont consider myself good at planning in general, I'll think of something but i'd also like for people to pool in their ideas. when the 24 hour clock i gave ends, we will decide on a course of action and then switch to normal scumhunting, if 48 hours after that (i.e 48ish hours left) we cant reach agreement, then we compromise.

[Sakura Hana]

Im basically scared that SOMETHING will go wrong. And it will cause us to lose.

[MathBlade]

Actually just realised its prolly in our best interest to keep the day count as low as possible. More days and more powers = more unknown "oooOoOOOOoo but what if teh scumz [blank]?!??"

Uhm. That’s not accurate.

There are always what if’s? What matters is mitigating it.

It’s why town does what is most likely and scum worry about what ifs.

Pedit

Sounds good.

I have a hard deadline at work I have to hit but if someone could use and update that table I roughly made that would be amazing. This way more people can be included in the conversation. I gotta go to bed.

[Sando]

Im basically scared that SOMETHING will go wrong. And it will cause us to lose.

Which is reasonable, hence we should be reducing the variables (number of bombs).

[MathBlade]

Im basically scared that SOMETHING will go wrong. And it will cause us to lose.

That’s why documenting and talking out the risks helps. We are getting to the point based on power selection stuff gets risky. But we then decide if we call raise or fold on those powers and force scum to make their move accordingly. That’s why everyone talks out the plan and triple checks like I did earlier.

We can’t remove the risk but we can plan around it best we can