Open 731: Twin Trap (Game Over)

[Almost50]

Also I claim watchacker

Fight me!

I rolled Watcher, Tracker & VT all in one. I even got my role PM twice

[Almost50]

You’re all wrong, burgers are obviously the best because they can have both eggs or cheese on them!
VOTE: GameNBurger

Also, I have never played with anyone in this game before except BuJaber, so this should be interesting. (I swear my meta has improved, BuJaber.)

VOTE: Inferno

LAL

[Almost50]

So what happened to the 3rd PM?

Umm... according to the NIC Bible that's when God created all plants.. I think!!

[Almost50]

Why yes vote in inferno?

Cuz it's as good a wagon as any, and it's @L-3 already.

[Almost50]

A50 pushing my lynch simply because I’m the best wagon is super sus.

This phrase is more sus than anything in this thread, and especially so since you're not new and know fully well that an early wagon is always

good

and rarely ever leads to a lynch.

That said, you assessment of BuJaber could've sounded Townie to me,

except

if you really are scum and are afraid to you might get lynched before you convey your thoughts to your p.

The way you initially phrased it was "he's a VT", before you backtracked to state he's unlikely scum but could indeed be a TPR. See where the contradiction is? You didn't say he's likely Town or likely not scum in your initial statement, but only after having been pressured did you revert to that.

So, rather than a pressure wagon to get us of RVS I', considering yours a serious wagon now and my vote is now for real.

[Almost50]

Preliminary reads:

BuJ is Town
Egg is Town
Manatee likely Town

And if Inferno flips red the other is very likely to be GameNBurger (fits the description as the RVS vote of the p AND the silent p who didn't get to vote in RVS. In fact, he never even posted yet).

[Almost50]

I said he was probably a VT. And what can that mean beyond likely town and unlikely scum?

It could mean

exactly what it says

, i.e. VT, i.e. not a PR. I already explained that in the post you're quoting. "BuJ is likely Town" =/= "BuJ is likely a VT". You're no noob to not be able to tell the difference.

[Almost50]

Ah, but you see
While it is true that “BuJ is likely Town” DOES NOT mean “BuJ is likely VT”
“BuJ is likely VT” DOES mean “BuJ is likely town”
Those are not two interchangeable points.

OK, let's consider the possibility that you really are Town and my point is flying right over your head, so let me ask you this:

1- What is your duty as a town player? Is it finding out who's town and who's scum or is it finding out who's a PR and who's not?

2- Now what is the scum duty? Is it finding out who's town and who's not or is it finding out who's a PR or who's not?

If you know the answers to both these questions (and I'm sure you do now) I don't see my original point alluding you anymore.

Now what did you say? You specified the ROLE. What is a Townie's main concern? It's the ALIGNMENT. Whose concern is it to find PRs? SCUM. Clear? I believe it should be.

[Almost50]

@BuJ: Yeah, it started like a mechanical read, but his reaction was doubling down on it rather than acknowledging he made a mistake. IMHO, a townie response was to stop when he said you could be a PR still and say spoke too fast or something. But he went on against odds (and logic) to try and convince me "likely VT" is indeed interchangeable with "likely Town".

[Almost50]

I can't stand this indecision
Married with a lack of vision
Everybody needs to state a case
(and I mean a real one now if you want me to follow your vote).

[Almost50]

@Burger: So you think Inferno is scum? If so, what's keeping you from voting him?

[Almost50]

I stopped paying attention to Inferno's posts already. I would appreciate it if he put Manatee @L-1 though and would state intent myself.

[Almost50]

Just realized A50 is hunting for the PRs.

Yes. Exactly. I even said BuJ was likely "VT".

[Almost50]

I stopped paying attention to Inferno's posts already. I would appreciate it if he put Manatee @L-1 though and would state intent myself.

Question: why not vote manatee yourself?

Well, because I firmly believe in lynching a VT claim on D1. This will force the Scum to claim a PR (the PR they're immune to) as a last resort before they eat rope. I am already on Inferno though, so can't do that to him, but if Manatee is @L-1 and claims VT I'm going to hammer him.

[Almost50]

force the Scum to claim a PR

(the PR they're immune to)

Iirc, you said yourself that discussing PRs is anti-town. I agree and think the same applies to discussing optimal scum tactics. Do you disagree?

This isn't just "optimal", it's a rule (unless they really really don't know how to play the game).

But the reason I said that is to alert the

TPRs

that's what's gonna happen, so if we get a PR claim they

do not CC

(and if they flip overnight we will know whom to lynch anyway). The TPR will now take that claim and avoid targeting that person becasie they know this is the scum that is IMMUNE to their action.

With some luck the TPR may catch the OTHER scum overnight and then they can claim on D2 leading to a town win with 2 successive lynches.

[Almost50]

I just sometimes take things for granted, so I

assumed

what I said was enough for the TPRs to get my point.

[Almost50]

And on the off chance we actually are running up the given TPR?

Then we didn't bloody lynch them, and they will be shot overnight anyway.

[Almost50]

and then scum intentionally leaves the PR alive to throw confusion into town

Let them do that and I'll be happier than a kitten sucking on her mama's nipple.

[Almost50]

I mean, seriously.. this is a 9-players setup. How many chances to nail a TPR can scum afford to miss?

[Almost50]

A50 do you have recent scum open games you can link?

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76810

[Almost50]

Tbh I’d like to get a vote off of Inferno just for safety purposes.


We have 12 days left, don’t want to risk someone hammering at all

What's the point of pushing someone to L-1 then unvoting them without either a claim or a goo reason?

[Almost50]

@A50 do you mind unvoting

I don’t like someone just sitting at L-1, becuase scum can quickhammer if they want(bad idea, but still)

You are also the one I trust most on the wagon, so I am comfortable leaving you with a vote
Manatee is scummy IME, I don’t know how to feel about burger, and Poseidon is legit null.

This is my exact lynch pool. I will unvote, but let it go on note that we should've got a claim already and Inferno didn't give one despite the fact he has been @L-1 for long enough (and has posted since too).

VOTE: GameNBurger

[Almost50]

{BuJaBer, Fromage, Almost50}
{Egg, poseidon}
{GameNBurger}
{Inferno, Manatee}

preliminary reads

Mine is:

{Egg, Eragon}
{BuJaBer}
{Fromage}
{poseidon}
{Inferno, Manatee, GameNBurger}

[Almost50]

But yes

inferno should claim

Just so he sees it when he comes in.

[Almost50]

@Burger: I'd say Poseidon is my null read. I;s also rule out you+Inferno as a team.

So, to me it's Inferno+Manatee or GameNBurger+Manatee, but if Manatee flips Town then I'd look at Poseidon before I look at any other.

[Almost50]

If Eragon+A50 is the scumteam, I’m gonna laugh my head off.

If I flip scum I owe you a big dinner!

[Almost50]

Toranaga, please confirm your role PM. Thank you.

Welcome, welcome, welcome..

[Almost50]

I kinda feel bored as the game is too slow and the deadline is excessively long for no purpose. If it was up to me this setup should haver days of 96 hours at most. After all, what else are we supposed to discuss here?

[Almost50]

Toranaga, please confirm your role PM. Thank you.

I'd lynch this slot based on this alone. (If you can take a hint)

[Almost50]

intent to hammer

in 24 hrs

[Almost50]

Idk...


Honestly I'm good with ending here

A flip will do us good

This is scummy. We have over a week left. There is no reason to be lynching this early.

INFERNO WHEN YOU SEE THIS... CLAIM YOUR FULL ROLE, OR WE WILL LYNCH YOU BLIND

This is not your decision. This is the decision of the town as a whole.
So no.
I will not be bullied into claiming by someone who I am already starting to question alignment on.

No. Actually ^this^ is scummy. Deadlines were meant to be as an "if needed" not a "must be".

You holding the game hostage and driving everybody bored to death isn't exactly the towniest way to play, and is indeed a scum tactic that is quite common on MS.

[Almost50]

so that when I flip and you all look like stupid idiots

THIS is the issue now. You're being stubborn AND condescending. You think everyone else is wrong and your way is the correct way to play. And NO, I don't know how you play. As far as I can remember I only played you as a head of a hydra. It's not like we've been playing lots together.

Frankly, I am starting to lose my motive to

win

the game. Left to my own devices I'd much rather penalize you for the way you play (and especially so for refusing to claim @L-1 with intent stated).

That being said, I don't want to be an ass to everybody else who are not you, so I'll take a deep breath and keep on reading.

P.S. Everybody's lurking because

there is nothing much for anyone to discuss anymore

. If you think otherwise, then please do speak of the subject(s) we've been missing. So NOT ask anyone else to talk about x, y and z. Speak about them yourself. Otherwise, we all agree there's nothing "we" have to say anymore.

[Almost50]

Even even admits I sound town and then comes back and says that it’s scum in the same breath.

That's a misrep at best. I clearly said "

could've

sounded Townie to me, except.. " which is NOT the same as "sounds townie". "Could have" means it's NOT the case.

[Almost50]

Also gets way hung up on technicalities early where he is most definitely wrong.

2 things:

1- If I/we drop the technicalities, what's left there for us to play by on D1?
2- Who says I'm "most definitely wrong"? I hope you're not -again- referring to yourself as the ultimate judge on the matter. My previous post shows clearly that you don't even speak English well enough, my friend. (I take it that English is not your primary language?)

[Almost50]

107 also pings me: Anyone who is going to ignore people over a technicality and is going to scumread them anyways definitely deserves a hard look.

So, I'm sus bc I SR you, and sus bc I tried to overlook the issue and tried to pressure someone else??

[Almost50]

122 for some reason makes me think that A50 is getting a partner’s attention.

You probably mean 112, don't you? 122 was a response to Fromage exclaiming about 112.

I'll try to simplify the logic for you: If you're scum and you claim the PR you're NOT immune to you might get a CC and get lynched. But then your p will only know the PR who he is immune to anyway, so he doesn't gain much from it.

So, you claim the PR that you are immune to and hope they CC so that your sacrifice turns the game into am all VT one.

How's THAT getting my partner's attention? Unless you're implying I'm either scum with YOU or Manatee (whom you refuse to bloody vote still).

[Almost50]

why was I scumread early on by A50, but don’t appear anywhere on his scum reads in 159? The same sort of question for 181; early on, he says that Burger and I are the most likely scum team; in 181, he comes back and says that it has been completely ruled out. Where is the progression for this? I honestly cannot find any.

First; I was

still voting you

by the time I posted 159/ How you think you're "not on my scum reads" at that point is inexplicable to me.

Then 181 clearly has you as a SR, so "the same sort of question for" isn't the term, but maybe "a different sort of question" is.

I ruled out you with Burger because of his attitude towards you. He did put you @L-1, wants you to claim, and is still voting you as far as I know. You don't see the progression? You're simply neither reading the thread nor playing the game!

[Almost50]

I don’t think everyone else is wrong. Have you seen me say as such or act as such to any other person in the game?

I did and I quoted it. You specifically said "you

all

look like stupid idiots"

[Almost50]

And considering ot takes 5 of the other 8 to lynch you, that's you calling 5 different slots idiots upon your flip.

[Almost50]

FUCK
YOU KNOW WHAT I GODDAMN MEANT A50
DO NOT PLAY GAMES WITH MY PHRASING

So, you do concede there is indeed a problem with your phrasing!

Good

. I rest my case.

Now if you would be so kind as to vote Manatee and have Eragon put him @L-1 (so he could follow your example and refuse to claim) I would be much obliged.

Thanks in advance.

[Almost50]

one problem.

manatee and his slot isnt here.
so they can't claim...

Which means we lynch them if they're not here in 24 hours, as I know Tor hates to play scum.

[Almost50]

Almost, why Lynch Tora for not picking up his PM? He doesn't even know his own alignment. I mean, he's manatee, so I'm all for it, but what's the logic here?

I didn't know he didn't "pick up" his role PM. I was under impression he "didn't confirm" as in "opened his role PM but didn't respond".

[Almost50]

So basically as of now scum look to be in {tora, fromage, poseidon, a50, egg} egg is there by default but I personally have a townlean gut read on him.

You trust Wh4t.

But you're no Marcus Aurelius and she doesn't look much like Russell Crowe, so I'm not fully convinced.

[Almost50]

Also tinfoil: wh4t and Tora are SvS :3

The thought did cross my mind tbh

[Almost50]

Easy claim, not convinced.

READS

Burger/A50/Buj

Egg/Tor/Eragon

Fro/Wh4t

if only I had randed PR instead.

Perhaps you missed my declaration, but I did say I was gonna hammer a

VT

claim (I do feel safer bc it's guaranteed to not hit a TPR, and if it's on scum then double the prize for half the price).

Do you stand by this? Would you care to make it an official explicit claim?

[Almost50]

Take your time. I'll wait to see what you have to offer.

[Almost50]

Take your time. I'll wait to see what you have to offer.

Why are so scummy A50?

What exactly us scummy about this?

[Almost50]

I believe I've given my thought in real time about most everyone. Go ahead and ISO me.

As for being scummy in general: "ain't that the case for me with you like

always

?". Too bad the duck isn't in this game to tell you I'm 100% town here. You should just ISO me in a recent scum game of mine to see the difference (and I don't just mean in what I post, but in what could be the motive behind what I post).

Let me give an example or two:

1- You're pretty much lynchable to me here. Why am I holding back and giving you your space?
2- Tor is @L-1 and I could have hammered, especially since I already said I would if we got a VT claim. Why would I want to wait for him to talk more?

Now you already know I don't play the conventional way everyone expects a player should, neither as Town nor as Scum, so you gotta look deeper not just at what I say but for the reason I say what I say.

[Almost50]

Preliminary reads:

BuJ is Town
Egg is Town
Manatee likely Town

I stopped paying attention to Inferno's posts already. I would appreciate it if he put Manatee @L-1 though and would state intent myself.

A50 can you help me see what changed your read on manatee between these posts?

Well, manatee was "likely" town. Between these two posts he posted only once and it was a one-liner. I felt as if he "holding back" and happy to see the pressure go elsewhere. That and the wagon composition at the time was townie to me.

The reason I asked Inferno -precisely- to put manatee @L-1 is I suspected the two may be partners. I had a couple of scenarios in my mind, and would reevaluate accordingly.

Spoiler: @Wh4t

One of those was for Inferno to refuse to vote manatee (which was the case). It doesn't give me much but it "might" point to Inferno actually being a townie who doesn't SR manatee, or he could be scum with manatee and thinks manatee is the better player of the two.

Another was for Inferno to comply, and that would have been scummy bc he could be Scum trying to redirect the lynch elsewhere.

Then if Inferno voted manatee I would have looked at manatee's reaction. Again, keeping his vote on Inferno wasn't gonna give me much because he is either a townie who SRs Inferno, a Scumster who needs to keep the counterwagon alive, or even a scumster with Inferno who thinks this is the best way to look like they're not partners.

manatee unvoting though would point to them being scum partners and that they decided that manatee is the lynch for some reason, because I don't see town!manatee who was voting a genuine SR in Inferno deciding to unvote when Inferno has just put them @L-1, nor can I see scum!manatee doing that if Inferno is Town.

Suffice it to say things didn't exactly go the way I wished for them to go, and Inferno not voting manatee at that point denied me a chance of developing a better read on both slots.

[Almost50]

I'm not quite sure how to handle the situation with Tor here. I know he doesn't like to play scum, but I don't know if he would give up so easily. It's still safer to just hammer the claimed VT IMHO, but I will wait for everyone else to say they're ready to end the day.

[Almost50]

Also FTR, I don't have meta on Fromage, Burger or Poseidon. My meta reads have Wh4t, Eragon, Egg & BuJ as Town to various degrees of confidence.

[Almost50]

OK. I'll hammer in 5-6 hours. I think that is fair enough for the rest to come online and say a few words if so they wish or intend to.

[Almost50]

My own last words of the day: If Tor flips Scum my biggest suspect for a p is Burger.

If Tor flips Town though I'd have to reevaluate all my reads overnight. Let's hope he does flip red as it would make the game much easier for me (since the 4 on the wagon would be even stronger TRs for me than they already are).

[Almost50]

@Tor: Your 20 now over 60. Your time is up, my friend. Please make sure you post everything you want to in the next 45 minutes. If you're town it will help us all (I still remember we had complimentary reads in the last game we played together were I was SRing one scum and hard TRing the other and you were SRing the one I TR and TRing the one I SR, so believe me when I say I will take your reads into consideration if you flip green). If you're scum though feel free to save your effort cuz I

am

hammering you and then I'm not gonna look back at anything you said.

@Burger: The "safer bet" is to always lynch the claimed VT on D1. You

know

a TPR doesn't claim VT @L-1, so we're guaranteed a no TPR flip for starters. It also prevents running up a real TPR who will then have to claim and be outed unnecessarily. So, on D1.. always vote the scummiest player, and if they claim a VT just lynch them.

[Almost50]

@Tor: Your 20 now over 60. Your time is up, my friend. Please make sure you post everything you want to in the next 45 minutes. If you're town it will help us all (I still remember we had complimentary reads in the last game we played together were I was SRing one scum and hard TRing the other and you were SRing the one I TR and TRing the one I SR, so believe me when I say I will take your reads into consideration if you flip green). If you're scum though feel free to save your effort cuz I

am

hammering you and then I'm not gonna look back at anything you said.

@Burger: The "safer bet" is to always lynch the claimed VT on D1. You

know

a TPR doesn't claim VT @L-1, so we're guaranteed a no TPR flip for starters. It also prevents running up a real TPR who will then have to claim and be outed unnecessarily. So, on D1.. always vote the scummiest player, and if they claim a VT just lynch them.

that's a big paragraph about many things that don't matter and aren't relevant to my alignment or a read on my slot.

It wasn't meant to be related to your alignment and/or the read on your slot. It was a reminder that IF you flip Town I will look back at what you said.

[Almost50]

Because you're not exactly the Town!Tor I know. If I'm wrong then at least we're lynching a VT and no TPR has been exposed.

VOTE: Toranaga

P-edit: WTF??? How can you "have no sympathy if he's town because he basically gave up." and unvote him at the same time?

[Almost50]

@Tor: WHO IS SCUM if you're Town? I don't want to go through your ISO when I'm not even sure of your alignment. Nothing of it will exactly *sparkle* for me anyway if I don't know your alignment. So, give me a lynch target with a good reason and I may buy it. Your AtE really annoys me.

[Almost50]

His anger at me is the most genuine thing I've felt from him this game. I need to reprocess this game.

Have you considered the possibility he might be angry for getting lynched through no fault of his own? I mean, BuJaber explicitly said the vote was bc of Manatee, you were voting him for no good reason (from his own perspective) and so am I.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

If this flips scum I'll feel like I got a new stain on my reputation (which isn't "a great scum hunter" anyway).

@Tor: In the last game (of Neighborhoods) you eventually did come up with someone who you were confident was scum. Do you have any similar feelings here? What's your read on GnB??

[Almost50]

@Tor: WHO IS SCUM if you're Town? I don't want to go through your ISO when I'm not even sure of your alignment. Nothing of it will exactly *sparkle* for me anyway if I don't know your alignment. So, give me a lynch target with a good reason and I may buy it. Your AtE really annoys me.

when have I AtE'd? I'm trying as hard as I can to keep this as deadpan as possible

When you show anger over being lynched or being about to be lynched I consider that AtE.

We're not at war here and you're not gonna really die. It's just a game and -obviously- you are well respected and loved here, so I don't see why you've been too emotional of late. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're genuinely upset for some reason, and if that's the case then I'm sorry.

[Almost50]

He’s referencing when you urged A59 to place someone at L-1

Woah, waoh! I'm not even 51 yet! Let's not rush "certain things" here.

[Almost50]

A69, you have any thoughts on current reads now that you’ve withdrawn from the Tor scumread?

To be quite honest, I have no leads. If I accept both Tor & Wh4t to be Town then I probably have you for my main lynch target, but I can't come up with a case on you if Tor is Town.

[Almost50]

GOD! Let's hammer someone and end the day already before I reach 100 all of a sudden!

[Almost50]

I'm doing a full reread of the whole game from a new fresh perspective. I'm currently on page 6, and I have 2 things to say:

1- BuJaber is TOWN and I'm willing to bet the game on this FACT.
2- Although Inferno's posting is really really bad; it doesn't have that feel of "scum planning" to it. His votes are all around and he doesn't care to vote any precise wagon in particular. I'd say this is either bad town posting or really bad scum voting.

P-edit: GOOD! That makes 2 of us, and we should be able to compare our findings/reads.

[Almost50]

I finished my reread and have a

completely

different view of the game now. I think scum are in Eragon/Fromage/Poseidon (in that order).

VOTE: Eragon

Eragon has been doing some townie stuff indeed, but taking a look at the bigger picture they seem to have been done for show. He often tried to feed the fire (especially on the Inferno/Manatee slots) but stayed uncommitted (by vote) for most of the time. If you take his posts separately you will probably TR him for each single one of them, but combined they didn't give the same impression. Also 377 for example is scummy enough on it's own.


I know this one's gonna be met by some strong opposition by many who have been TRing Eragon hard, and while I have played him before I do not have a strong meta on him either, so this is a read based purely on his play/posts in this thread.

If this flips scum then the cross voting with Fromage feels off. However, Poseidon being totally unavailable if late gives me the irks too.

P-edit: Oh, well. Tor caught me red handed. What can I do? *Shrug*

[Almost50]

what do you make of eragon fake hammering and then proceeding to clear me yesterday? I don't see the scum motivation in doing it.

You claimed VT. Scum don't want to lynch a VT, or -at least- not before outing a PR. "Let's switch to someone else and see what they claim".. then if that's a PR .. WELL DONE. If not, then they don't need to worry about two slots, which helps when deciding on the NK. Simple.

I haven't

completely

ruled you out as scum. I just think it's very unlikely for you to be, and I'm willing to try and work with you for today in an attempt to actually lynch scum.

[Almost50]

I'm happy lynching in A50, Poseidon today.

VOTE: A50

Some things never change!

I'll vote Poseidon IF there's enough support to wagon him.

[Almost50]

@A50, I’ll look at it overall, but I saw you say something about being gone or shit
Ye, I completely lost this game, I get good about it the beginning, but ~page 10 I just lost all my WIM(which, for whoever asked it, basically stands for whim of the game and your activity and drive). I’m hoping to get back into it soon, but I’m just kinda bleh rn

The remark about activity concerns Poseidon. Your activity is plausible. I had to check on one of your most recent scum games though to verify you do post that much as scum (you had over 190 posts in one day phase, and it ended with your lynch as the Mafia Roe Cop, if it helps you recognize what game I checked. You were a replacement that came in on D3, as far as I can remember).

[Almost50]

Oh, and you're still subscribed to that thread. I got it from your subjects in your profile page.

[Almost50]

P-edit: Oh, well. Tor caught me red handed. What can I do? *Shrug*

What even is this?

Is it a cow? Is it a Tree?? Is it a PLANE???

[Almost50]

A50 what does Duck have to do with me reading you correctly?

Is your connection THAT slow or are you amnesiac and have just remembered it?

[Almost50]

A50 what does Duck have to do with me reading you correctly?

In fact, what does this question have to do with your read on me? How will my answer help you get an accurate read on me?

[Almost50]

@A50 I thought you had manatee as town earlier. what changed?

Read my ISO. This question has been asked and responded to earlier.

[Almost50]

@Eragon: I was talking of Newbie 1881 (you did replace in on D1, but I skimmed the VC's quickly and didn;t see your name before D3. My bad.

[Almost50]

both scum would have to be very deeply townread

BINGO! That's one reason I put Fromage ahead of Poseidon in my lynch pool, and Eragon sure fits the description as "very deeply TR'd, don't you agree?

[Almost50]

Lol. Dude I just remembered you saying that and it made me wonder if you knew who I was.

In that case, I do. I even said something like "isn't it always the case that you find me scummy?" because you do.

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

tw is gonna grill you over that one, kiwi.

[Almost50]

I would've appreciated a reasonable response to you calling for a lynch on a claimed VT so early.

I did explain it before.. twice actually in this game. I simply think hammering a VT claim provides the PRs with a better chance of surviving through N1. I acknowledge lynching a scumster is even better but we ran someone and they claimed VT, so we either lynch them or run up someone else and risk outing a PR (most players appear scummy when they rand a PR).

As for the scum team making moves based to "counter" my directions, that would be GREAT because what I said was optimal scum play AND how the Town PRs should react to it. Do you think claiming a VT and getting hammered is a better option for them? Because Tor didn't know I wasn't gonna hammer him at that point. Anyone else who claims VT

would

be hammered (unless we're all morons and want to keep running people up until we do get a PR claim).

It was also mentioned before that the Mafioso may decide to claim the PR they are NOT immune to instead (because I said optimal play is to claim the one they're immune to in hopes to draw a CC and then their p shoots the outed PR and the other becomes effectively a VT anyway). Let them do that and I will out my counter move when/if we get a PR claim.

Can scum leave the claimed PR alive to WIFOM the town? They may, but then that could still bite them in the rearside. So, ANYTHING they do to counter my "best scum play" is actually to our benefit still. WHO hates for the claimed PR to stay alive overnight? Who hates for a Mafioso to claim VT and get lynched instantly? Who hates for them to claim the opposite PR and be countered by another move? I have it all under control.

P-edit:

VOTE: Poseidon

[Almost50]

And remember: Do NOT CC if he claims a PR, and do NOT hammer until I've come and stated what I think is best play for the PRs (whether or not the claim is true)

[Almost50]

Can we please stop swinging between wagons? Make up your minds. Do we want to go down the safer route and lynch the claimed VT or do we want to lynch scum (and take a chance on outing a PR)? DECIDE ON THAT before you vote.

[Almost50]

I already said it before many times, my friend. Optimal play should have been to lynch Tor regardless. I am not as sure as you that he will flip scum, but in these kinds of setups optimal play on D1 is to hammer the VT claim.

[Almost50]

This was a perfect example. Kop was pushed to L-1 on D1 and claimed VT. Had he been hammered on the spot it would have made the game much easier (he was the Mafia GF)

[Almost50]

So if you believe that don't give people a choice.

People don't like to be forced to make one move.

But you know what?

VOTE: Tor

For better or worse, I am going to play my own way myself. Others can decide for heir own too.

[Almost50]

Eragon and Poseidon definitely seem the most scummy on my wagon.

And I'm willing to bet there is

at least

one scum on your wagon.

[Almost50]

If you’re TPR and get outer likr you did, scum will come after you in the night anyways

True, but then they don't know which TPR they're killing and thus do not know which of the, should make the NK

[Almost50]

BUT! With a generic reasoning to not full claim, scum could claim a PR without drawing out an immediate counterclaim

No one should CC either way. Have you been reading my posts?

[Almost50]

But that would be impossible. No sane person can townread both eragon and tor right now. AT LEAST 1 is scum.

Eragon is. I said so after the reread and nobody listened.

[Almost50]

Eragon asked me to unvote Inferno (now Wh4t). This doesn't make me feel comfortable calling Wh4t town. Then again, maybe Inferno being stubborn about not claiming gave Eragon the impression he might be a VT? I wouldn't make that assumption myself if I was Eragon, but maybe he did and maybe Wh4t is town. *Shrug*

[Almost50]

@GnB: We can drop the subject for today and talk about it tomorrow. YOU are 100% going to make it through the night EVEN if that was a fakeclaim. The way the game is shaping no scum in their right mind would shoot you over at least 4 other slots

[Almost50]

Hey Eragon, Why do you seem to believe my claim?

Because you're not his scum buddy!

[Almost50]

@GnB & @Poseidon: I need you two to cote Eragon or give reason not to.

[Almost50]

Eragon asked me to unvote Inferno (now Wh4t). This doesn't make me feel comfortable calling Wh4t town. Then again, maybe Inferno being stubborn about not claiming gave Eragon the impression he might be a VT? I wouldn't make that assumption myself if I was Eragon, but maybe he did and maybe Wh4t is town. *Shrug*

I'm concerned you're not strong townreading me by now A50. Also, the PR speculation here is weird in that I wouldn't expect a townie to think about my likelihood of being a PR and then to bring it up unprompted as a reason to shade Eragon, when I haven't claimed. You seem to be thinking from the POV of scum here.

I'm speculating about what might have gone through Eragon's mind not mine. This "speculation" is the reason I'm not locking you as scum when he does flip scum.

Put another way, I can't find a reason for Scum!Eragon to "lighten up" on Inferno before he got a claim out of him, so you should be next when he flips scum... UNLESS he thought Inferno was VT by play or meta...

[Almost50]

this isn't dying at night though. it's not gonna be resolved like that. you guys understand why, yes?

No

we

don't understand. Well, I don't anyway.

explain?

I believe he's referring to WIFOM, especially since a "clear" with 2 scums alive isn't even a clear.

[Almost50]

most people are around, so it's a matter of who we are fine with lynching and I think most of us is fine with lynching bujaber

I'm not. I want to lynch Eragon today. You are me compromise lynch but I'm not going to move my vote to Eragon until I see real consensus.

[Almost50]

I just don't see why scum would attempt the fake hammer on Tor?

We've already discussed this. BuJ even pointed out how it was OBVIOUS it wasn't a hammer. I'm of the opinion he wanted an out from that lynch because Tor already claimed a VT and Eragon is actively hunting for the TPRs.

As for "orchestrating"; how's THIS for a direct instruction to his scum p (not necessarily GnB, btw):

dont resubmit that vote *pets*

[Almost50]

You don't HAMMER and then request someone else NOT TO VOTE THE HAMMERED, now do you?

[Almost50]

I believe occams razor dictates that Eragon is simply town.

I kinds believe the exact opposite. I don't think Tor's his p though. You don't instruct your p not to hammer himself either.

[Almost50]

dont resubmit that vote *pets*

@Wh4t: This reads as "Partner, do not hammer the claimed VT". Plain and simple.

Then the very next post:

hold on tight

, this nights gonna be a wild ride on these railroad tracks

See the bolded? It's simply a request to WAIT. Noe it

could

be for Tor to not give up, or it could be for GnB to not hammer, or it could be for "someone else" to not attempt to hammer. If Eragon is the kind of player that I think he is, GnB and BuJaber were inserted in these two posts for WIFIM to establish false connections with the two. The reason I

totally

rule out BuJaber from being scum with Eragon is I know BuJ is not the kind of player to take directions from Eragon. In fact, BuJ is kind of stibborn and would probably have hammered Tor upon seeing Eragon's message (except he was already on the wagon, but still.. BuJ doesn't like to be instructed on how to play)

[Almost50]

Well there is no point in voting the hammer no?

And NO HARM in doing it either.

[Almost50]

Ok I'm willing to lynch Eragon but if he flips town, I'm looking at you A50 because you casing him but not voting him until others agree is scummy af.

Agreed!

[Almost50]

so you agree if i flip town you are scummy AF?

Keyword is "if".

[Almost50]

all this jive-talking and strutting around on random accusations coming from A50...

and he still hasnt laid down a single vote on me???

Well, if you must know I'm waiting to hammer you regardless of your claim.

[Almost50]

but you agree?

Yes. I agree that ID YOU ARE TOWN then I'd look scummy.

[Almost50]

If for some strange reason I'm the NK, please make sure Tor is actively game solving in later days. He is a strong passionate player and his level of disinterest is AI.

Make sure Fromage claims and if he is counter claimed please review all the claimant's ISOs to find the actual scum.

Make sure BuJaber and Pose are sorted tomorrow too. VCA will help a lot with all the wagons we've had today.

See? THIS is 100% TOWN you. Now you ARE my top TR. because of this very post. Everything from before was fakable and I know how GOOD you are a player, so while I had a mild TR on you I was still skeptical (becaise that;s how I am).

[Almost50]

VOTE: Eragon

ok then

might as well

UNVOTE: Eragon

hoping i timed this right lmao

THIS is a SCUM CLAIM. A "last resort" kind of move, pretending not to care about one's own lynch. Scum 101 play.

Hint: When you're Town.. and you're frustrated.. you wait till you are @L-1 and HAMMER.

[Almost50]

i was trying to bait you into a quick hammer when i was at L-1, and unvote before you voted, but still have you vote, basically quickhammering and claiming scum yourself

I already said I was gonna hammer you

regardless of your claim

. What part of "regardless" didn't you get?

[Almost50]

i dont see how that relates?

It means I will quickhammer you because I don't care what you claim.

[Almost50]

Nope. I said I will take full responsibility for your lynch. No ifs or buts. It's on me for good or bad.

[Almost50]

“Scum wouldn’t go that far to Mis-lynch one VT”

See? That's the second time you claim unprompted. You did it implicitly in 377, which I get is meant to explain why you're alive by LyLo. Here you're still fighting the lynch despite the fact you directly are responsible for outing one PR, but you won't go down until you've found the other. GOOD LUCK with that though.

[Almost50]

He’s not and it’s suspicious as fuck, scum should not have more shots at trying to land power roles in the night

STATS say town has a BETTER WINNING RATE when the numbers by day are ODD. If we no-lynch then we go to night phase as 9, and we go into D2 as 8 << EVEN NUMBER.

Further more, he ALREADY CLAIMED A VT. Scum won't shoot him anyway (and that's assuming he is town.. just for the sake of the argument). Scum won't be shooting Toranaga either. They probably won't shoot me or Fromage either

if we no lynch

. If we do lynch and he flips green (which he won't) they won't be shooting me either, while "when" he flips red they are going to shoot one of us because we become semi-confirmed (unless you think I bus my buddy this hard).

[Almost50]

I just think always having an extra townie is better than not having a town

Well, you're wrong and you need to get it right for when you do roll town.

[Almost50]

They won’t shoot you anyways becuase your scum

Prove it!

Vote yourself and let me hammer and if you flip town I will become confirmed scum.

[Almost50]

Is Fromage the only player in this game? Cuz the last time I checked there were 9 of us, and assuming I'm scum AND Fromage is pocketed, and my Scum buddy has the balls to oppose my lynch on D2 then there are FOUR others who would be happy to do it.

[Almost50]

Now YOU answer me this: If I', scum, why am I pushing for your lynch? Why you precisely? You already claimed a VT. Right? You're not even one of the players who know me well enough to get an accurate read over time. Why am I not lynching Wh4t? Or BuJaber? Or even Tor? Now one of them could be my scum buddy, but at least two are town and they all have more credibility reading me than you.

Why am I not pushing a wagon on Egg or Poseidon or even GnB? I could be getting some good info if I pushed either of them thus narrowing down my "PR pool".

But I understand you have to fight hard because your p is not experienced enough to pull this one off on their own, so I'm not mad at you for doing what scum are supposed to do.

[Almost50]

And they might not be willing to go against Fromage, a claimed TPR and whoever your partner is

You see, this is STILL coming from a SCUM mindset. Reread what you've just typed. You are 100% certain Fromage is indeed a TPR and not fake claiming. Not a shred of doubt there. DESPITE THE FACT HE'S BEEN WITH ME ALL THE TIME, you still believe him to be a "pocketed" TPR and assert to the fact he is indeed a TPR.

[Almost50]

Your still pushing me becuase if you backed off
1) it would be incredibly wolfy
2) it would conf. Wolf you
3) it would make you be the top wagon

Yeah, but why did I pick you as my target in the first place? And why did I go so hard that I can't backtrack now?

And ftr, who do you think is my partner?? Amuse me.

[Almost50]

You and A150 both said due to my ambiguous wording assumed that I was saying you were not wrong about no lynching

I mean to say I thought you were dead wrong about it and your promoting it is suspiscous

OK, could you please vote him? We roughly have 130 minutes left to deadline.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Eragon

Sweet!

[Almost50]

Not 100% but I think Poseidon is the other scum.

[Almost50]

Before the flip???????

[Almost50]

You can stop the act anytime now. Let's just wait for the mod to come online and tell is his version of the story (which is the right version 10 times out of 10)

[Almost50]

^That was @Eragon obviously

P-edit: If you flip town I will. I'll even vote myself if I'm wrong about you.

[Almost50]

A50 you have some explaining to do about your sudden confidence in Eragon being scum.

I did lay down my case on him. At first I thought he was playing like a PR (which explains why I hard TR'd him on the first half of D1). My 2 "other" candidates were BuJ & Fromage (bit only one of them I thought) so I'm fine with my TRs (even if I did reverse the one on Eragon).

When I did my reread I realized Eragon wasn't playing exactly as a TPR either, so I kinds saw his content with a different perspective. Probably a play style thing now that I know he was Town.

And once again my "principles" prove correct. We should have hammered Tor. If you like, go back and reread Eragon with the knowledge Tor IS scum and you will see how he would have been today's main suspect still if you had listened to me and lynched Tor upon his VT claim.

Btw, Tor is @L-1 in theory. I won;t be placing my vote on him now so he won't come in and hammer himself, but my vote is there in spirit.

I thought there was at least one scum on Fromage. Tor is scum. Eragon is Town. Wh4t is my 2md strongest living TR (now that BuJ has claimed), and I'm not sure about Poseidon.

In fact, if you're arguing Poseidon is Town bc he kept his vote on a claimed PR then Egg is Town for keeping his vote on Toranaga.

Check this out:
Inferno390 (4): Almost50,

ManateeDude,

Poseidon, GameNBurger (L-1)
Toranaga (4):

Eragon,

Egg,

BuJaber,

Wh4t (L-1)

If what is Town then why wouldn't Egg join the wagon on Manatee? But more importantly, why would he be more interested in joining Toranaga's wagon??

From that same VC

Wh4t (2): Toranaga, Poseidon
Toranaga (4): Eragon, Egg, BuJaber, Wh4t (L-1)
GameNBurger (2): Fromage, Almost50

Not Voting (1): GameNBurger

So Poseidon was next to Tor on Wh4t (an attempt to save Tor), and GnB was not voting (sometimes they just wait and hope their p won't get lynched).

So I say Egg is the towniest of the 3, and the other scum is between Poseidon/GnB

@BuJ: Mate, I had you as a string TR for the whole of D1. When you insisted I was scummy I thought you mistook me for a PR and was trying to protect me from the NK by keeping me in the lynch pool. Right now I don't understand why you still think I'm scummy after the flips and the confirmation you yourself got that Tor is indeed scum and should have been lynched.

[Almost50]

VOTE: almost50

lynch bujaber tomorrow

@BuJ: Like this alone should give you pause. He thinks one of us id the other PR but doesn't know which, so he put me ahead of you in a an attempt to get a claim!

[Almost50]

If he were more stubborn we would have lynched tora yesterday.

How much more stubborn did you expect me to be when I kept my vote on Tor while the Eragon wagon was building and said I won't switch unless there was enough support? If there was not enough support to the Eragon wagon was still pushing for Tor's lynch.

Mate, who put Tor under the microscope anyway? I did.. and before he even posted (well, after he posted but those were deleted bc he didn't confirm). What sense is there for scum me to point out Tor doesn't like to play scum and assume he didn't post (before the mod corrected that)?

And this reminds me that Egg agreed to my PoV eventually (when the mod confirmed Tor opened his role PM). One more reason why I don't think Egg is Tor's p.

I think it's Poseidon though, That L-1 is for Tor to self-hammer and/or to encourage someone else (a townie) to hammer and end the day fast. If you don't want the hammer to fall you simply don't put someone @L-1 and say "don't hammer".

Hint: I probably was the one expected to hammer because I wanted Tor's head anyway and I'm known to respond while catching up, so I could have done it inadvertently!

[Almost50]

The reason I voted Eragon was because it looked like A50 crumbed tracker earlier in his ISO. If BuJaber is the tracker I have no qualms putting him on the block either.

I didn't crumb anything specific, but I was indeed trying to bait the NK through pretending to be a PR.

[Almost50]

I said EOD I couldn't elaborate but it felt like A50 was setting up for a claim and I had a feeling it would resolve today. If Bu is tracker A50 has set himself up to counterclaim as scum imo.

*Sigh*
God, you're as awful as Ausuka!

I bet if I played in a game you're

modding

and you handed me the Innocent Child slot you'd still SR me after you yourself mod-confirm me!

[Almost50]

I can't stand this indecision

Married with a lack of vision

Everybody needs to state a case
(and I mean a real one now if you want me to follow your vote).

Here poseidon.

*Giggles*

Like, when have I ever crumbed my role the LYRICS of a song? (Although that's a good idea, so I might try it sometime)

[Almost50]

wh4t, gnb, bujaber

poseidon

egg

A50

lynch A50 > egg > poseidon in that order

Another hint Egg is clear. If we lynch Tor and then his p kills someone (BuJ) we are 4-1 tomorrow. Lynch me and we are 2-1 on D4. Kynch Egg and scum win.

If we are naive enough to believe Tor (that BuJ is faking the guilty) then we lynch me and then BuJ dies and we are 3-2 already tomorrow, so lynching Egg = Scum win.

Anyway you slice it I don't see Egg flipping red here.

[Almost50]

I can't stand this indecision

Married with a lack of vision

Everybody needs to state a case
(and I mean a real one now if you want me to follow your vote).

Here poseidon.

Oh damn WAY back with the cryptic poem/lyrics. So, we get one inkling of LAMIST and a plethora of scum actions.

Spoiler:

41 - Early wagon pushing
216 - Opportunistic for inactivity (regardless of read)
348 - Attempting to hammer on a town claim with no proof, even though there were 5 VT's in total at the time, thinking it would give us some kind of safer alternative, when it really just throws the game more in favor of scum if there's a townflip
355 - claims to have given reads on most everyone, when (up to this post) there was only ONE post about such (176)
370 - Reconfirms hammering a VT claim
435 - Unvotes on someone he's been threatening hard with a hammer
482 - Enter the Eragon wagon which is backed up by "he's been townie but this one post seems really scummy"
Need I go on?

There we go. An explicit scum claim.

"Attempting to hammer a town claim" doesn't go with any logic knowing Tor IS scum not Town. Why would you even assume a "Town flip" there when BuJ has already claimed a guilty? And how would my push to hammer SCUM be considered "scummy"??

Oh, yes please.. do go on.

[Almost50]

Town BuJaber wouldn't pull that gambit ime. He's either tracker or scum.

Scum??? You think scum would be trying to bait a Tracker CC when they've already shot the Watcher? Like, the Tracker immune goon can do all their kills safely while the other just enjoys the ride.

Let's see.. why won't they just lynch ME today and shoot YOU tonight? You're the one being vocal about BuJ being a suspect. Explain that move from a scum perspective and I might reconsider.

[Almost50]

Town BuJaber wouldn't pull that gambit ime. He's either tracker or scum.

Not pointing the finger against Bu, but wouldn’t a town lynch today damn near solidify a scum win?

Down to
4 VT
1 PR
2 Scum

Lynch a townie, we’re down to 3 town 2 scum. And then it’s LyLo.
We really do need to be 100% on this vote today.

OK, so Posiedon is really inexperienced as scum. Maybe I will give you some tips post-game (just in case you roll scum with me in a future game).

[Almost50]

If Bu is town, as well as Tor (99% sure this is not the case) then he pulled the worst gambit possible and is responsible for game throwing.

EXACTLY, except BuJ is NOT a bad player AT ALL.

[Almost50]

The only exception I would say is A50. If he is not NK'd you lynch him at lylo-1.

I fully trust he can find last scum if he is town. But if he is scum I don't want him alive at lylo.

I'll take that as a compliment, so hank you.

[Almost50]

You know, in a crazier player list than this one I would have suggested we lynch Poseidon today and end the game tomorrow (Tor already gave up by 1002. One has to consider how sane the players in the game are though, so..

[Almost50]

Actually 1023 is like me playing on a Poker slot machine and having just won a hand I'm doubling down on picking the correct highest card of 5. Those were the days. (I almost never won though, but I had a friend who almost never lost even if he did it 3 times, so he would end up winning 8 times what he started with).

P-edit: COOL. Let's see what Wh4t thinks then.

[Almost50]

Yes, Hold'em is the game, but if you win you get 5 uncovered cards (was it 5 or 4?) and then you try to guess the highest of them, and if you do your winnings are doubled. If you lose you forfeit your winnings.

[Almost50]

Or maybe you get one flipped card and 4 unflipped and try to pick one that is higher than the flipped one? It's been over 20 years now so my memory isn't serving me when, especially since I prefer Black Jack over Poker (both live and slots)

[Almost50]

Attempting to hammer on a town claim with no proof, even though there were 5 VT's in total at the time, thinking it would give us some kind of safer alternative, when it really just throws the game more in favor of scum

if there's a townflip

So, this is

not

assuming a Town flip?? You only get it to say it one way or the other. Either I'm scum "assuming Tor flips Town" (which is calling BuJ's claim a lie as well); OR I'm scum

with

Tor so I

know

he was flipping scum and was waiting for a CC... WAIT! WHAT?? A counter claim to a VT claim?? Are you ok? Have you been drinking??

[Almost50]

Once egg posts I say we end the day.

OK, but do we lynch Tor (which the "normal" play) or do we lynch Poseidon (which is "my" way)? Me and BuJ would rather do the latter for the fun of it. We get to win tomorrow either way.

[Almost50]

Come to think of it, I'm assuming Wh4t would rather lynch the guilty today just to be sure. I mean, I could still be scum with BuJ and we want a mislynch on Poseidon today so we can be in LyLo tomorrow with a guaranteed lynch on Tor. After all, BuJ does NOT have to be the NK tonight since he's effectively a VT now.

[Almost50]

Come on! Have you been reading my posts today? I pretty much cased Egg for Town and Poseidon for scum by VC analysis, and by analyzing Poseidon's posts today. Him instantly jumping on Tor then asking why >I< choose to believe everything so fast? Him saying me wanting to hammer Tor was scummy "in case of a town flip" then saying I was waiting for a CC (Tor had claimed VT and the post Poseidon's referring to was telling Tor I would hammer him when he confirms the claim). There's so much more in my ISO for D2.

NVM all that.. look at this:

@BuJab

If he flips town, you’re up tomorrow.

VOTE: Toranaga

Don't you think is a n00b scumster trying too hard o look like townie? It goes w/o saying that if Tor flips green BuJ will get lynched next, so why the warning? It's called LAMIST.

Two posts later:

Don’t hammer yet, anyone (sorry for multipost). Still time to discuss

Still LAMIST. Why put caught scum @L-1 then ask nobody hammers? Tor could've easily hammered if he wanted to!

I mean, I dunno what else to say, but I can't see past Poseidon being scum here over GnB and Egg, and by a great margin too.

[Almost50]

There are 2 scenarios:

1- Poseidon flips red (Which is what I'm expecting) = BuJaber "may" stay alive overnight (because him flipping Tracker confirms Tor as scum beyond any shred of doubt, so it's game over).

2- Poseidon flips green (very very VERY unlikely, so I'm including this just for theory) = BuJaber "most likely" stays alive and scum will argue he is faking (this is the scenario you may be afraid of).

But that means we have BuJaber alive to vote Tor, and either you or me (or both to spread the WIFOM). Let's assume you are the NK, then we have BuJ, myself, Egg and GnB to vote Tor. If Poseidon flips scum there will be virtually no resistance to the lynch bc the town will still have a mislynch anyway AND BuJaber is scum by virtue of faking a guilty.

If Poseidon flips Town though then we have narrowed down the suspects list according to our own will (you, me and BuJ) and Tor will have to be lynched still (his p cannot resist the lynch or he will be outed) and then BuJ eats a bullet on N3 and it's up to me to decide between GnB and Egg on D4. (Note: I'd vote GnB over Egg).

Now let's assume the unlikely (Poseidon flips Town) and then the unlikely (they shoot me instead of you), then you have control on D4.

Or maybe they shoot me on N3 and leave BuJ (the confirmed townie by then) to decide between the two.

But that's a step beyond what you're asking. If your worry is about the Tot lynch he will be lynched in all cases.

And if you find a loophole in this narrative then we just lynch Tor today and Poseidon tomorrow. I just proposed Poseidon today bc (a) U feel confident he is the other scum, and (b) because I'm crazy and I love to play unorthodox.

[Almost50]

@Wh4t: And btw, I have a little something to admit to... even though I am town in this game, I'm still trying to mess with your mind a li'l so it won't be easier for you to read me in our next game together. This plan of mine is a bit scummy; nut when it unfolds and Poseidon flips red you will become more accepting of my weird approach to game theory, so the next time I roll scum in a game you're in you'd be more reluctant to suspect me for saying/doing something you deem strange or scummy!

[Almost50]

I just don't see the advantage to risking a mislynch today? I mean if we lynch Tor then we confirm 100% Bu is town, we have more townies to help narrow down the scumteam, and we have the comfort of a mislynch tomorrow.

It may be more fun to play in the less optimal way you propose but we'd be tilting the advantage in scum's favour and I would hate to become so overconfident in my reads that I gamble away the inevitable victory we would've had by playing traditionally.

My extreme paranoia of you is saying that it is still possible you're scum with Tor, and you are tilting the odds in your favour (by keeping town in Lylo) because it is unlikely you will be lynched if you dictate the play today.

I understand your paranoia and have come to accept it. No problem.

The advantage of lynching Poseidon (not a mislynch) is keeping BuJaber alive for one more day. Scum killing him = mod-confirming Tor as scum before his flip. Plain and simple.

[Almost50]

the unlikely (they shoot me instead of you),

Why is it more likely that scum would shoot me over you?

Because you're townier than I am. No one's gonna lynch you. Remember this was assuming we lynch Poseidon and he flips green, so Tor is still in the game and he has spewed you town already, but is keeping me under suspicion. That and the fact I'm the one who came up with the idea of lynching Poseidon over Tor to begin with, so if he flips green I'm very much in contention for the lynch. I was also responsible for the mislynch of Eragon.. so everything points to you being a stronger TR than I am to everyone.

[Almost50]

Tor gave up and claimed scum. That's why A50's plan works.

You don't need a flip to believe me.

Under normal circumstances yes we'd have to go for the normal lynch and confirm my allignment.

Anyway we can lynch Tor if you want. It makes little difference.

manatee was scum and replaced out instead of playing out when all his posting was terrible and he was getting heat

kind of annoying tbh

Well, first: Thanks for replacing in despite that fact.
Second: You did pretty well with your AtE and managed to sway the lynch off you, albeit for one day, so you did well.
Third: Win or lose, the point is to have fun with good company. My priority is to have fun over winning (but of course I play to win, or there will be no fun if I don't try), which is why I wanted to lynch Poseidon today. It'd be much more fun to lynch "not caught scum: over the guiltied one. It also messes with Wh4t's mind and her reads on me in future games, so that's a plus (of course it messes with everyone else's minds, nut considering Wh4t is the one who almost NEVER TRs me the effect is greater there.)

[Almost50]

@Wh4t: I'm fine lynching Tor anytime you want to.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Poseidon

[Almost50]

SWEET!

THANK YOU BuJ & Wh4t for trusting me on "my way". It makes the win all so sweeter (let alone the game ended a day earlier).

Thank you for modding LMS.

Also, I've just read the dead thread. Poseidon was going to kill Egg?? That meant he would've been caught by Fromage.

So both PRs played GREAT. Wh4t did what she does best and that's OBV!TOWN.

Inferno I'd have to take note that he plays scummy as Town (for future reference).

And of course, Tor escaping the lynch on D1 and managing to garner a TR from Wh4t & Eragon was GREAT PLAY despite the eventual loss.

I can't really complain about anyone's play, but I wonder if Eragon is still persistent on me being scum. (he was still adamant in the dead thread)

Ftr, yes.. it was your push back on the Tor lynch that directly resulted in your lynch. Would you have felt differently if we switched places (i.e. knowing I'm Town and was 100% correct the VT claim should've been lynched)?