mini normal 2027: advice mafia (endgrame)
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I doubt Radiant Cowbells is lying,since claiming in an unusual way like this could cause investigative roles to come after him at night. If he is scum, then that would be really bad for him. I don't know whether or not he's pulling some type of gambit though, I've read through a few games of his and he was always someone difficult to read.- Completly Trustworthy
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I Am Innocent, why don't you get the Saudade wagon? Both Havo and texcat explained their reasons for voting him in 75 and 71. Do you not agree with their reasoning? If so, then please explain why. As for me, I found Saudade's entrance very weird and would like to know why he felt the need to declare he was town right off the bat.
Now I have some questions to ask people
1. Please provide a link to completed games with you as scum and town
2. What do you believe is the optimal scumhunting strategy? What scumtells do you think are overrated?
3. How would you describe your playstyle as scum?
4. Do you enjoy being scum or town more?
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1. I cannot provide links since I have only played one other game on this site and its ongoing
2. It's best to pay attention to what people have to say about others and whether their actions match up with their words. The ways in which players treat each other contains far more information than that which can be gained through observing the playstyles of individual players, which are all different and can be hard to read. Radiant Cowbells is an example of a player who is often mislynched due to acting really scummy(at least in the games I have read through.)
3. As scum, I try to get people who I think can be mislynched to create content which puts them further into trouble or allows me to present a case against them later. I always want a member of the town to be on the defensive, since that means little attention is paid to me. In addition, I try to post a lot, but prefer to avoid fluff. If I keep saying productive things or elaborate on my opinions, then eventually someone else will mess up naturally and I can capitalize on the opportunity.
4. I prefer being scum or third party the most because you are the active force in the game that everyone else is trying to stop, it is very fun to try to try and outwit all your competitors.- Completly Trustworthy
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I never said anything about your reason for voting Saudade, Skygazer. I only provided links to explain Havo and texcat's motives and then explained why I was offput by his entrance.
Radiant, your claim was more exact and included an actual role. If you asked everyone here whether they are town, all would say yes. So Saudade's declaration that he is town seems forced or LAMIST to me. If I knew Saudade's reason for including that unneccessary comment, I would feel less suspicious.- Completly Trustworthy
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Right now, my best scumread is I Am Innocent. Here is why his posts have pinged me.
In 22, I Am Innocent changes his vote because of something extremely vague Skygazer said, I still don't understand his reasoning for that.
In 31, he claims texcat's entrance was suspicious, but why did he change his vote to me afterwards if that was something he believed?
He continues his push in 41 while still voting for me instead of him.
In 43, he goes off topic to ask texcat what their scumreads are. This seems like a way to have someone else accused without directly doing it.
In55, he makes a complete fluff post that merely asks for other players to make contributions.
Then in 61, he points fingers at DoubtingThomas and Texcat, but doesn't explain what they did to be so suspicious. He merely says the same thing as what DoubtingThomas did, whatever that happens to mean
He offers an explanation for why he is voting me over others in 77, but gives no reasons for why I am scumread. In fact, he has said nothing about me this entire game. Also, his statement that he will always be on the largest wagon seems like an excuse to join large wagons easily without being suspected. Finally this post was only made after he was called out and could have been after the fact justification.
In his latest post 79, he defends Saudade for no reason as I called out earlier.
If I Am Innocent is not scum, I would like some explanations from them as to why I am scumread, what makes him think Saudade is not scum, and what was so suspicious about Texcat's entrance.
I believe that any scum players will be trying to fly under the radar with Saudade, Radiant Cowbells,and Doubting Thomas starting arguments. In my experience, scum are not usually so blatant and forthright when it comes to suspicious behavior. That is why I am not willing to jump on any wagons involving them right now, though I may later.- Completly Trustworthy
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Saudade's posts seemed to be made by someone trying to bait negative responses and then test how everyone reacted. Also he made posts like 138, 189, and 234 that either support this point or make me think he cares about the town finding scum.
Havo's insistence on getting a response from Saudade and calming down after finally obtaining a link to the game seemed to be like a member of the town pressuring someone they felt suspicious to me. Also the emotion they showed would be hard to fake by scum in my opinion, they seemed to be really frustrated. Scum would not have that much of a reaction from fake scumhunting.
Overall I think the dispute was an example of a town on town conflict and the people who sat out the argument are most likely to be scum.- Completly Trustworthy
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Texcat, can you explain what made you suspect Saudade initially? You alluded to having some speculation about his potential motivations for entering as he did in 71, but I would like you to further elaborate on why you think a scum player would bother acting like Saudade did. Also, are you less suspicious of him now that you have voted for IAI? If not, then which of them do you think is more likely to be scum?- Completly Trustworthy
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What the town really needs right now is for Frederick or IAI to get replaced, their needs to be more content from their slots. I hope the mod pays attention to the fact that they haven't picked up their prods.
I'm starting to believe IAI might not be scum though, the lack of a counterwagon or push to stop people from voting him seems to indicate the scum are satisfied with this gamestate.- Completly Trustworthy
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Garmr, why did you claim in 447 when you were nowhere near l-1? That's anti-town since if you are really vt, then the scum will be able to narrow down who is a pr. I could believe you were gambitting in that post if you claimed to be a pr, but the presence of a vt is not something that will cause scum to reconsider their night actions or behave differently. So the claim seems a little LAMIST to me since it essentially translates to "I am town".
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However, I do agree that Wh4t might be scum. 361 is especially suspicious to me because its a threat made in a serious manner to someone who is voting him that is then seemingly forgotten. I think the anger Wh4t is supposedly feeling to being voted for is faked and they are just trying to scare people off.- Completly Trustworthy
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I'm still suspicious of IAI/Gamma Emerald. Both people in the slot have been acting somewhat scummy. In fact, Gamma Emerald has done nothing but comment on random posts from the game without pushing anyone or posting reads. I would like some more content from them before I become willing to join another wagon.
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However, I do scumread FA at the moment as well because of the following posts:
In 102, he pushes a controversial player for very weak reasoning
He shades people without strong pushes in 105 and 106
He is incredibly defensive and says Wh4t scumread him incorrectly in 108
He then continues to argue against WH4t without admitting he is wrong and even says 108 is justified in 241
He moves to the largest wagon after not saying anything about IAI previously in 247
In 685, FA names three suspicious players as scum with a strange amount of certainty and little explanations for why he developed negative opinions of people like Wh4t or Skygazer.- Completly Trustworthy
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I currently believe RC is town because of the fact that he is trying to solve the game and claimed jailkeeper enabler. I believe he made that claim to make it less likely the mafia would nk him, something he said he was worried about. Scum players don't need to attract unwanted attention with a claim within the first 50 posts and never need to worry about getting killed at night. Therefore, he seems more trustworthy than Krazy at this point, who seems to want to start a counterwagon.- Completly Trustworthy
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Krazy, your arguments to defend FA are really weak. He did not "push slots to play better", he said he wanted a wagon on Saudade and stated Thomas was active lurking, which is considered a major scumtell. There was never a time when he told them to play better or gave an alternative. Also, why do you suspect Wh4t so much? I would like you to case him. The only suspicious posts he made in my opinion were 361 and 460, but they don't justify voting him over FA or Gamma Emerald/IAI in my opinion.- Completly Trustworthy
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This wagon is taking effort to get through with multiple different people pointing fingers elsewhere and a counterwagon is in the process of forming. The scum actually care about this push, this is not the time to stop it. You don't see hard defenses like the type Krazy is giving to FA coming from townies who don't know each other's allignments, this is a scum player defending their teammate.- Completly Trustworthy
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Also, The Worst, why are you so eager to hammer? A while ago, you left the wagon on Krazy's insistence, who you now believe is scum if you don't think FA is telling the truth, and voted Garmr instead of your scumread. Now you suddenly want him lynched? I think you are doing a poor attempt at bussing.- Completly Trustworthy
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Something just seems off with Havo's latest posts. In 1318, they ask whether Rc is really just "bad town", implying they are suspicious of RC. Then they say that they are on board with voting someone that Radiant is pushing in 1319 and soft defend him in 1320 by asking whether he needs to be flipped. These posts seem really contradictory, I'm not sure whether Havo is just sheeping other people or not, but I'm starting to become wary of them.- Completly Trustworthy
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The Worst is also suspicious to me. He repeatedly said Texcat was scum, but only bothered to sheep RC and Krazy. In fact, he said in 986 that he didn't understand why people wanted to lynch FA. If that was the case, then why did he just go along with voting him multiple times? In addition, the majority of his posts do not relate to solving the game and it feels like he's active lurking. Just look at his ISO and you'll realize the vast majority of his posts are worthless.- Completly Trustworthy
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TW, can you please explain your motivations for voting FA and Garmr over Texcat yesterday? I want to get more content from you and understand your decisions. If I get some answers, I can decide where I stand on you more firmly. Meanwhile, I'll unvote and decide whether to lynch Texcat or Garmr. At least one of them has to be scum, unless Garmr is playing a fake guilty gambit like Nero Cain in mini normal 2021. Hopefully that isn't the case.- Completly Trustworthy
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If Garmr is faking this claim, he is probably scum. If so, why would he make a claim that would probably not be believed? Texcat was looking like a player who could easily be lynched, so I don't understand why an incriminating fake claim that essentially sacrifices a member of the mafia would be something the scumteam would go through with. Does the scumteam think that Texcat is a PR and is worth sacrificing Garmr for? If that is not the case, I can't think of a reason to bother with a fakeclaim this early. So I believe that Garmr is either telling the truth or is running some type of gambit.- Completly Trustworthy
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The problem with assuming the choice of night kill will sort the situation out is because the scum team might not react the way you expect RC. The Mafia might leave Garmr alive to avoid confirming Texcat as scum if Garmr is telling the truth in order to add WIFOM into the game. All they would have to do is pick someone who they think Garmr is unlikely to watch and he would be unable to do any further harm.- Completly Trustworthy
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This lynch is coming together too fast, we're already at l-2 and there's been no resistance at all. If Wh4t is scum, then the scumteam could defend him by implying Radiant can't be trusted, which would be pretty easy to do after he helped lynch the masons. The fact that so many people are quickly agreeing to lynch Wh4t is offputting to me. We should at the very last talk for a few days and wait for Ruby Red to make some comments.- Completly Trustworthy
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I believe he claimed he had x-shots so it would make the hypothetical setup more balanced and increase the likelihood people would believe him. So there is an easy explanation for why he did that. Overall, your comment feels like weak shade Gamma Emerald. Nobody was talking about Garmr anyway, why did you have to question him in a manner which indicated you didn't believe he was actually trying to fakeclaim?- Completly Trustworthy
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Gamma Emerald, I made that post because I wanted to see how you reacted to an accusation. I'd say your stated motive for asking Garmr why he said he had x-shots was pretty good, so I can get behind that line of thinking. Now, you're one of the players alongside Ruby Red I'd like to hear more from. So far you've commented on many posts from the game, but I would like to know what your current position on all the players is. Can you post a reads list for everyone still alive?- Completly Trustworthy
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I didn't defend Wh4t RC, I merely said I don't like the pace at which this wagon is forming and we need to get more info out of players like GE and Ruby Red. There is over a week to decide on a lynch, so just pushing one wagon and not expressing suspicion of anyone else is bad for the town because it limits discussion.
I will probably vote for Wh4t in the end because his last few posts seem weird compared with the rest of his ISO and he has not been posting much, but I won't just sheep your opinion again when you might be evil and were wrong once before. I want more evidence before I commit.- Completly Trustworthy
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Ruby Red, why are GE and Havo off your list of suspects? They were on the FA wagon, which I support lynching on.
As for the list of reads Gamma, you giving a good one would make me feel better about you since I would have an idea of where you stand and what you are doing to solve the game, so please do so.- Completly Trustworthy
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It is very dangerous to assume that anyone is confirmed town, so expecting everyone to townread you is silly RC. I might think better of you if you made a comprehensive case on why Wh4t is scum and tried to get everyone on the same page through evidence rather than just demanding a vote. Right now, I think your process for finding scum is a little suspect, someone making one post implying that they are hesitant to vote a person you think is suspicious does not mean they are scum. Townies vary in opinion and will not always be on the same page with you.So I'm not going to follow you off a cliff RC, especially since it seems likely you are scum or are voting a townie. After all, if you are normally a mislynch, why are several people just going along with what you say mindlessly? I think the reason is because you are casting suspicion on a townie. I'd prefer to lynch on the FA wagon, which almost certainly contains scum. That is why I am currently questioning you and GE, both of you are players that I need to understand better.- Completly Trustworthy
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I've been suspicious of Wh4t for a while as 690 shows. It's not that I don't think he could be scum, its just that I'm nervous about voting with you now RC. That's why I'm asking you to case Wh4t and talk about the other players. If I understood your logic and knew what you were doing to solve the game beyond trying to lynch Wh4t, I would probably be voting for him right now. Also, its standard practice to analyze who might be scum on a mislynch wagon, that's why I'm asking you and other people questions right now. As long as I get more content from suspicious slots like yours, I'm happy with Wh4t as the lynch for today. At this moment though, I'm frustrated due to GE not giving the list of reads like I asked, you accusing me instead of answering questions, and there still being little content to judge Ruby Red from.- Completly Trustworthy
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Basically, I'd would normally be voting for Wh4t right now, but I'm currently hesitating to do so because plenty of people from the FA wagon(you, Sky, Havo, TW) are on it. RC, I followed your lead once and it didn't pay off, now I want to be more careful before doing what you say. If you and others engaged with me further, this problem might be fixed.- Completly Trustworthy
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