Open 731: Twin Trap (Game Over)
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I'm just gonna go page by page
Page 1 is just RVS
Real game starts at the vote count
Post 30 is either off or sloppy, which someone does correct him on the VT thing I know, This reads like noise to me
Egg makes a conclusive vote on Inferno in which Inferno immediately votes back on Egg
Let me check before I go on how new a player Inferno is because this is some hardcore flailing
Okay He's moderately new, not quite a year old user
Manatee also pushes Inferno but then goes out of his way to say its not worth pushing him for it
Inferno defends himself by digging into the ground and PR hunting thru logic that's more grasping at straws than any good ground to stand on; specifically I take issue with the reading of game questions as anything useful or insightful, it really just doesn't sell to me and seems like a bad attempt at PR hunting (or I guess VT hunting but they both dance with each other in concept) and when given the chance to defend himself Inferno just doubles down on the PR hunting (This is all Post 42 by the way)
Manatee caves into voting, but attributes it to a question from someone else rather than Inferno's recent post
A50 is posting I like his assessments, nothing really to add about his posts on page 2
Alright thats page 2, page 3 incoming after i transfer some laundry- GameNBurger
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okay we're at the present day now
I really hope inferno is scum because its going to be a pain playing with him if he's town
Oof that Eragon post is a pain to read
His post I mostly agree with but i EXTREMELY disagree with his reasoning that PR hunting is helpful for town, It something every player should be doing in their heads but there is just no benefit to town that doesn't far more benefit scum to publicly PR hunt in any way
Alright unless I get ninja'd i'm all caught up
All things considered I'm willing to L-1 Inferno based on what we've got from him but I'd like to hear more from Fromage and Poseidon first before anyone even thinks about the word hammer, I personally always feel uneasy with fast lynches Day 1
Only other thing I'd note as super suspicious is Manatee's initial non committal feelings to vote Inferno followed by a near immediate flip when someone asks him about it
If Inferno is scum it screams soft bussing attempts gone wrong
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Eggs read on post 57 is correct
As he may remember from our game that’s genrally how I catch up is taking a bite summary and then stating opinions at the end of the catch-up, which is what post 58 island
Inferno do you atleast understand the counter arguments as to your methods of VT hunting? I don’t meant that sarcastically in any way, I’m being serious in asking- GameNBurger
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Oh yeah egg only played a scum game with me
Manatee I don't think you're very much perceived as a strong town read, so I'm questioning why minimal effort posts sound like a good idea coming from you
I'd like to see more out of poseidon but honestly I guess its really hard to say anything else than whats been said already
Unless you're Fromage that is, to which its a perfect time to spout shady as F criticisms while showing halfhearted support for most popular wagon
Okay maybe its not that suspicious, especially after he clarified but it still seems cherry picky, especially when one of those posts is a legitimate question from a newer member
I think Inferno is flailing even harder
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As for my current thoughts on which person I find scummier, I think I'd be willing to go full in on manatee being scum if Inferno is scum
Although then again his non commitment then turnaround for his inferno vote feels weird regardless
I guess there's only a few scenarios:
1. Both are Scum: Either manatee wanted to soft bus but was called out on it and flip flopped or they were trying to offer inferno soft advice during the day as a scum partner
2. Inferno is Scum, Manatee is Town: It would have to be nerves or some kind of play-style that involves not explaining himself (manatee I mean). I personally detest this play-style. I'll have to check into Manatee's other games to see if he's just like this
3. Inferno Town, Manatee Scum: Why??????????? I don't see manatee's response as something natural, hesitance to vote while also saying behavior is scummy just doesn't add up to me, In this situation i feel like scum would just keep quiet and let town roll itself, not voting on a wagon that hasn't fully formed yet doesn't earn you any points so this situation is either motivated by stupid or is unlikely
4. Both are town: we all lose here. Maximum idiot has been reached. Inferno is just being bad and manatee is letting themselves burn right next to Inferno
I'd like to think and hope 1 is the most likely scenario, but I really need to look into Manatee to see if 2 is a possibility
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Okay so for Manatee
These are all finished games i'm talking about obviously so nothing is ongoing
Manatee is scum in 1879 Newb:
He makes posts very similar to this game, where in later days he adds slightly more reasoning to his actions, but he mostly stays out of sight, espescially early on when he replaced in
Manatee is town in micro 813:
Also posts similar to here but notes he is frustrated with the site and even mentions possibly siteflaking, So not sure how to read into this
Manatee is town in open 730:
Posts very similar to this game, but notes it was dumb play and even apologizes
Manatee is town in Newb 1864:
Gets lynched day 1 after subbing in, posts have a bit more reasoning behind them or atleast more content to them, but still ultimately are more reserved
Manatee is Scum in Newb 1868:
Scum partners with Inferno even! Manatee replaces out during day 1 however, and seems to be due to IRL stuff so this whole game is in the null pile for me
Ultimately this playstyle is something he uses but to some degree isn't always happy with? I'm not sure I'm willing to really assess but usually Manatee is better about giving quick reasons for reads as town early on rather than just throwing stuff out there
Theres more stuff from his homesite but i'm far to lazy/busy to delve there- GameNBurger
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I really wanted him to adress me more directly and see how he responds to the pressure before turning up the heat with an L-1
His response was super bad and has stayed constant to his behavior this game
HOWEVER
He is right that I screwed up reading the 1868 game, the mod used red text for replaced players in that game and inferno was replaced
Inferno was not scum but manatee was, I didn’t look deep into the game since manatee replaced out relatively easily
So I am very sorry about that and that’s my bad but it doesn’t contribute or take away anything from my reads on inferno since it was null anyways
Someone sell me on the case of manatee being a safer bet than inferno for lynch
I know out there is the possibility inferno being just a bad player flailing badly but I feel like this bad play is bad scumplay rather than bad town play
Manatee makes me uncomfortable with his posts and is definitely my number 2 but I could still chop it up to mindlessness and playstyle more than I could chop up Infernos action to bad town play
Anyways my vote stands with inferno unless I feel like suddenly manatee is a safer bet
VOTE: inferno
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Question: why not vote manatee yourself?In post 107, Almost50 wrote:I stopped paying attention to Inferno's posts already. I would appreciate it if he put Manatee @L-1 though and would state intent myself.- GameNBurger
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I think your reactions are entirely reactionary rather than logical jumps or any sort of serious thought
You don’t have coherent scumreads but OMGUS anyone that seems to seriously hold an accusation against you
I read this as panicky flailing rather than believe your bad enough (read: delusional) to seriously beleive all of the people you think are scum are still scum, so you read more reactionary rather than someone who has a coherent idea of what’s going on
That being said:
Your reaction to my mistake was justified, I think it’s reachy since I read the entire game as null to anything and dimssed it but I do understand your response there- GameNBurger
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To answer some quick questions since I’m phone posting
Inferno can die and I’d be happy with it, he’s done nothing to convince me he’s town, if you wanna hammer state intent so he can claim, I’d rather not blindhammer
To briefly respond to the larger post
Sorry for not holding the L-1, that’s my bad
I hold that 1 is the thing I hope for since I’m that case the game is set and done for me, as I strongly beleive inferno to be scum and manatee is a softer number two pick that gets stronger in my mind if Inferno is scum
Thus I really don’t want a scenario where inferno is scum but manatee isn’t , as manatee is gonna have a real uphill battle to climb with me if he’s town since that’ll be my number one guy tomorrow
Idk if that makes sense or not again phone posting so I apologize for the lucid ness
The reason I’d rather chop up manatee to playstyle rather than inferno is that reactionary is not a valid playstyle while withdrawn play is a strategy many people employ (although I personally disagree with the way most people play with their reasonings close to their belt)
To elaborate on my point about inferno not being able to beleive everyone pushing him is scum, while he’s voted 3, far more people have cast him into doubt and until he really posts a definitive reads list so I can see where he thinks scum definitively lies
I think that answers everything, do call me out if I missed anything as I am phoneposting right now- GameNBurger
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I’m more in agreement with Eragon when it isn’t day 1 but it is day 1 and I don’t really think any town that could quickhammer would, the one reactionary player is the target of the wagon anyways
Not to mention I think if the few people who’ve mentioned it are anything to go by, whoever did quickhammer would be crucified since there’s only a handful of possibilities:
1.inferno and Hammer vote are scum: robbing us of discussion, but we nail half the mafia on first day which cripples them
2. Inferno scum, hammer vote is town: just s really passionate townie that for some reasons doesn’t value the 11 extra days we have
3. Inferno is town, hammer vote is scum: scum is trigger happy to make the lynch happen
4. Inferno is town, hammer vote is town: hammer vote doesn’t value discussion and is very wrong about inferno
I don’t think either course of action would be motivated by the voters win condition
1. This would kind of make sense to possibly happen but would still greatly benefit town more than it does mafia
2. Unless someone REALLY doesn’t value discussion and doesn’t want to talk about it, this feels unlikely to me
3. I’m gonna Occam’s razor this and say this is far too risky a gambit for scum to be this impatient as most of the town scumreads inferno at this point, so they’d already got us there
4. Copy paste my thoughts for number 2 here, as the motivator for the quick hammer vote would be the same
That’s why I feel comfortable putting him at L-1, if we were playing with more impulsive players I’d be wary
In particular the thing that made me feel comfortable with inferno dying is that rather than the pressure doing anything he’s just going to continue to spew reactionary drivel and I don’t feel like this is coming from town
P edit: looks like I’mnonlonger the l-1 vote so problem solved- GameNBurger
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The logic that never claimed that nobody should bother or talk about or that never claimed it never happened, but mererely claimed I don’t have to do anything about it at all nowIn post 163, BuJaber wrote:
LolIn post 162, GameNBurger wrote:P edit: looks like I’mnonlonger the l-1 vote so problem solved
Like it never happened, eh?
What kinda logic is this?!- GameNBurger
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Sorry, I should never phone post in the morningIn post 165, Eragon wrote:
Point is I never said what bujaber is extracting from my words, now that inferno isn’t at L-1, I don’t have to do jack
But I never said that it’s as if I never voted, just that I have zero reason to change my vote now
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So question, what are your reads currently if they are soildnright now?In post 166, BuJaber wrote:I'm not so sure Eragon is town anymore. The quickhammer talk reads fake to me. Got my eye on you.
Manatee got significant pressure early on (first to L-2 I think) and still doesn't seem interested in posting more/ posting anything useful.
You realize his entire ISO is pretty much going back and forth on inferno?
Also I’ll second this again that manatee should think about playing the game- GameNBurger
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Ah I see that makes more senseIn post 169, BuJaber wrote:In my defense I read it the wrong way at first. I thought you were actually trying to say that since inferno isn't at L-1 anymore that people don't have to discuss your L-1 vote anymore. Which made me laugh.
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This kind of scenario is why I think L-2 holds no actual threatIn post 178, Inferno390 wrote:Just read up, and I am refusing to claim this early in the day, mostly because I think I was run up as a cover for PR hunting. So I will leave scum in WIFOM on whether I am a PR or not with this post.
#154 is weak. If so was going to self hammer, I would have done it already, and no way my partner comes in to hammer and reveal himself.
Also don’t like 158, this again reads like PR hunting. There is this thing called pressuring to determine alignment, A50.
GameNBurger is still just throwing AoP my way, so I’m officially ignoring anything he says about me for now. He can come back with a real read. Also way too concerned with how his vote looks imo.
Scum is somewhere in {A50, Eragon, GameNBurger}. This is where my lynchpool is until further notice (I.e.: scum reveals itself somewhere else)
You can have confidence to stall at L-2
With L-1 and actual intent to hammer shit gets done and we don't have this soft claim bullshit
And yes this is totally soft claim bullshit
If you're gonna not claim fine make that choice but don't throw out that "oh is this WIFOM scum? Am I a PR? AM I?"
Scum has no motivation to make a claim or even sweat at all unless they're at minimum L-1
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So to explain my thought process I'm just gonna confirm: Fromage is null, poseidon is scum lean, Inferno/Manatee/Game is scumIn post 176, Almost50 wrote: Mine is:
{Egg, Eragon}
{BuJaBer}
{Fromage}
{poseidon}
{Inferno, Manatee, GameNBurger}
Since scum is only 2, It's really easy to write up detailed thoughts or arguments on pairings even if you influde your null read on fromage
Theres only 10 pairings:
Inferno/fromage
Inferno/poseidon
Inferno/Manatee
Inferno/Game
Fromage/poseidon
Fromage/manatee
Fromage/Game
Poseidon/manatee
Poseidon/Game
Manatee/Game
Now while I know its a lot to ask you to write your thoughts on all of those pairings, I would appreciate if you did
However I also understand if youd rather play with your notes entirely to the belt, I'd disagree with the strategy but I'd understand that some just play that way
But seeing we have 11 days and we have 3 tied wagons I don't see a reason why to not ask
I think I might do a series of posts detailing all the possible inferno Scum teams, and if we don't have enough to discuss past that then do other possible pairings with all players- GameNBurger
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@Eragon
I don't think I did, I simply explained how i read them to clarify any potential confusion with how i got my list of potential pairings that a50 was suggesting. As it turns out, I did make a wrong reading of his reads, as he corrected me that poseidon was his completely null read.
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I'm going To go down In list order from the initial post
These are gonna work thru the logic and past actions in the game assuming the pairing as the assumption
Spoiler: Inferno/A50
Thoughts:While I could see a picture that A50 is simply hard bussing, a lot of it would depend on setting me up as a target and I don't think A50 is actually doing that. It seems A50 is playing with a lot of his thoughts close to the belt, so perhaps I need to do a meta dive to see if this is usually the case. I'm not really sure this pairing would make 100% sense unless A50 is the most enthusiastic busser yet. I also don't feel like Inferno's reaction would make sense for this to be a scum pairing either.
Spoiler: Inferno/Fromage
Thoughts:Fromage hasn't touched on a lot of players in the game, he's only sort of interacted with Inferno and argued a little bit with Eragon. He asks direct questions but I'm not sure of his whole thoughts if he has them together yet. I could see this all being scum behavior that makes sense when inferno is so publicly flailing but I also don't see why he wouldn't have simply backed the manatee wagon as a response. Setting my wagon up just seems way to town for me to really buy into Fromage being scum
Spoiler: Inferno/Eragon
Thoughts:So Eragon is probably my strongest townread and I really don't see this pair happening, and I dont really see him as a user that could relentlessly bus with a smile, I seriously had a hard time picturing his actions motivated by scum at all
Spoiler: Inferno/Egg
Thoughts:Egg should post more, I know he'll be back Sunday to catch up. He's really in the null/town lean for me for now but i want to see more thoughts on the recent stuff
Spoiler: Inferno/Manatee
Thoughts:This is hardcore lurking or extreme activity. Its getting to the point where town or scum I'd much rather he'd replace out. I know this is supposed to be about the persepctive scum partners but its getting ridiculous. If he is scum, his behavior makes complete sense but ultimately his behavior is such a nuisance. Ugh. To reiterate:Manatee PLEASE consider subbing out. There's no shame in being busy, and if you're lurking this hard I have hard time seeing how this is strategy
Spoiler: Inferno/Poseidon
Poseidon needs to catch up or sub out. This is just inactivity and its really annoying.
Spoiler: Inferno/Buj
Thoughts:I could see this pairing happening. He feels like he's silently keeping an associative distance from inferno, which feels weird. While I also shared the Manatee suspicion earlier in the game, at this point Manatee is merely a few more posts worse than Poseidon. To me, the more time passes on, Mantee's participation has not stayed proportional and reads more like someone who isn't even playing the game. While yes Manatee has done a very scummy thing, its arguably the ONLY thing he's done the whole game. That doesn't make him unscummy, but my gut is telling me he just needs to be replaced.
Man that took longer than expected
This post made me realize we're dealing with two extraordinarly absent players (egg cuts it close but has a promised date of return and catch up we can hold him to) which makes trying to find second scum REALLY more difficult
I'll be busy for a while but shoot any questions if you have any
As a reminder all the dropdowns are fabricating a perspective assuming the pairing is true, not an argument or accusation of whats occured; this is more like a list of notes
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No problem, hope all is going wellIn post 191, ManateeDude wrote:I'm gonna replace out guys. Sorry- GameNBurger
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It’s more that I like to play with my thoughts entirely on the table and studied game theory in college so I’ve been trained at breaking problems into a list of all possible outcomes to startIn post 197, BuJaber wrote:I'd actually be very impressed if burger flips scum after all that.
Though I don't understand his approach and I think a lot of what he's doing is based on circumstantial evidence and could all be a waste of time.
There's no harm in thinking about possible associations a little to help you sort people, but making a whole entire list based on someome being scum that hasn't flipped yet seems like an exercise in futility.
Just highly unlikely that this comes from scum tbh.
As I made an offhand mention before I made the list I plan on doing this for all players combos possible, I simply started with inferno since I’m really convinced he’s scum and it’s just most efficient to start with him first. Give the game will probably not be in full swing until Sunday again (unlesss manatee is replaced super fast) I should have the time to organize it all,
As for why? Scum game can sometimes be made easy by sitting back and letting the town pigeonhole themselves and get stuck in a corner, the idea is that scum want to be left in the shadows of sweetness, where the town is calling other town on bad and start voting eachother while scum just try to not be stupid. This isn’t always how it goes but it can be very dangerous to not have a handle on everything that’s going on.
Since there’s 2 scum and 7 town it’s not too Herculean of a task to list off all the possible combinations and build cases for each one, while it isn’t actively making an argument for one shorthand goal (who to vote out today) I think it has its merits for organizing what may be (Atleast for me) an insurmountable amount of info into an accessible and comprehensive list. While initially tedious, tomorrow there will be two less players (and most likely one less scum) which will make the process far shorter on my end.
I will admit it’s rare that I can do this sort of process in a timely manner in day 1, as the small size of the overall player count and scum team is what makes this all manageable, but i figure since it’s all past info and speculation there’s no harm to town or benefit to scum from having open notes like that- GameNBurger
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I’ve mentioned this in a previous game but god I really hate “Lynch me” strategy
I feel like it’s boredeline against town win condition which makes it borderline rule bending if you’re town or bad scum play if you’re scum
While you haven’t committed all the way to a “lunch me” strat and opted for saying it sarcastically at best it’s useless fluff and at worst it’s giving up- GameNBurger
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So still phoneposting sorry
@egg welcome back
I was hoping for reasons why we should lynch what was a completely inactive slot who really performed 1 action the whole game
Of course a lot has happened because unless there’s some wild strategy or meta I’m not aware of there is a pitifully small amount of game to lynch
Atleast personally if it’s a certain kind of cut and dry inactivity rather than purposeful lurk I prefer to urge to replace and see how the response goes
I don’t mean to say you should play this way or should feel this way Espescially now that we’re in the future but the way I see it I think Poseidon is more guilty of lurkscum than manatee is
Particularly I’m a bit more interested to hear manatee’s replacement slot
MOD CAN WE KNOW IF/WHEN MANATEES REPLACEMNT CONFIRMS ROLE
I’d really like to know if we’re playing with the slot right now
I’d actually prefer to wait for manatee to have to say stuff on the game and catch up before hammer- GameNBurger
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I lost motivation but I’m back
This game is a bit depressing but I’m really gonna have to start fresh and look at things starting from all the sub ins
I’m glad I did the full analysis of interactions with inferno since it holds some finality
From my quick glance everyone’s acting like the hammer is coming, whose hammering?????? Did I just miss it?- GameNBurger
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Fuck it I hate Tor's weird claim and I also hate the rolling over and dying strategy
Its either some horrendously terrible gambit coming from a town player or really disheartened scum
I'm glad to see Posideon is actually playing the game although their strat of barely aknowledging the game at large before the subs came in just feels off
I'm unsure of this honestly but posideon screams lazy to me more than anything else when i read his ISO, he feels more coasting overall
Fromage needs to come back or be one of the next people to replace out, his activity level is absurdly low and I see both Posideon and Wh4t jumping on that but honestly I really cant blame them. Easy target? Yes. Extraordinarly low activity? Absolutely, all its a bit rich coming from Posideon (yes I'm aware Posideon did not cite lack of participation as a reason but his main motivator was piggybacking Wh4t's post on fromage)
about Wh4t actually, I atleast can say i see it extremely unlikely that him and Posideon could be scum buds
I actually feel a lot more chipper about Wh4t's slot but I'm a bit more interested in the Manatee/Tor flip to see what happens
I HAVE A QUESTION Wh4t: Do you stand by the accusation of your scum slip?
Moving on, I see A50 as moving up my townie meter for that post, the Tor slot would have been weird to him to bus so hard on if Tor is scum so I find the scenario unrealistic
Actually sorry let me not half ass it, 4 SCENARIOS POSSIBLE:
1. A50 and Tor Scum: A50 busses really really hard and sets me up as the logical next day mislynch
2. A50 and Tor are town: A50 just really beleives that slot is scum
3 A50 is scum Tor is town: A50 is setting up a next day lynch targe (me) that won't matter since they'll reevaluate their reads if Tor flips town?
4. A50 Town Tor Scum: Same as number 2
I find 1 unlikely since A50 would have to bus a slot that would have been easy to defend (unlike Inferno's slot which was a raging meltdown)
I find 3 unlikely since there would be little to gain from throwing my name out in post 375 since in this scenario A50 would know Tor is town
Hence I find A50 much more likely to be town- GameNBurger
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That makes a bit more sense Tor although I personally wouldn’t have spoken that way but that’s just me being nitpickey about how I’d play
I gotta agree with Tor on this one, that makes your slot feel miles worse because it’s just too stupid
Hear me out on this, you could see how you works as good as you all?
Eragon and A50 are my strongest townreads
Eragon, why do you think wh4t isn’t scummy, or atleast explain how you think town can seriously beleive the You is a scum slip
I’d appeal to A50 on this as well but honestly I really can’t blame A50 for seeing me as scum based on the Tor read they have
I’m not so sold on Tor being super town either, I think the safer bet for scum for me is The wh4t slot
VOTE: wh4t
I really am gonna stick to my gut right now on this, i have a feeling the Tor lynch is gonna happen
I’m surprised the hammer hasn’t dropped yet actually- GameNBurger
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I wasn’t demanding the hammer be dropped instantlyIn post 392, Wh4t wrote:
This is gross. If the Tor lynch is going to happen and you're surprised he hasn't been hammered and you scum read him, the only reason you would be vanity voting elsewhere is that you're scum and not wanting to be on a villa wagon or voting your buddy.In post 386, GameNBurger wrote:I really am gonna stick to my gut right now on this, i have a feeling the Tor lynch is gonna happen
I’m surprised the hammer hasn’t dropped yet actually
I personally think the Tor lynch is also fine but A50 already claimed intent to hammer and I see no beneifit from cutting any time out just for the sake of hammering, I strongly townread A50 and respect their judgment
I vote so my opinion of my top scumread is made clear and I hate not having my vote being used to soemthing personally
Also thank you A50 for explaining that, this actually makes sense and I didn’t grasp it when you said something similar earlier in the game
I’m embarrassed about being dense about it earlier because the game theory behind it really isn’t too deep down the well so sorry about that
To reiterate since I’m phone posting
I didn’t hammer because there’s literally no reason for me to do so
Espescially since A50 explained it to me now I really would rather not run up any other claims- GameNBurger
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.........and???????In post 394, Toranaga wrote:
that's a big paragraph about many things that don't matter and aren't relevant to my alignment or a read on my slot.In post 391, Almost50 wrote:@Tor: Your 20 now over 60. Your time is up, my friend. Please make sure you post everything you want to in the next 45 minutes. If you're town it will help us all (I still remember we had complimentary reads in the last game we played together were I was SRing one scum and hard TRing the other and you were SRing the one I TR and TRing the one I SR, so believe me when I say I will take your reads into consideration if you flip green). If you're scum though feel free to save your effort cuz Iamhammering you and then I'm not gonna look back at anything you said.
@Burger: The "safer bet" is to always lynch the claimed VT on D1. Youknowa TPR doesn't claim VT @L-1, so we're guaranteed a no TPR flip for starters. It also prevents running up a real TPR who will then have to claim and be outed unnecessarily. So, on D1.. always vote the scummiest player, and if they claim a VT just lynch them.- GameNBurger
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We've got two days to figure this out however I think I'm going to be V/LA tomorrow and Monday
I'm not sure but by the end of Today i'll know
So potential scum for me are in {Tor, Wh4t, Fromage, Poseidon}
Only 6 pairings possible So i'll try to find the most likely pairs and see if that helps get me a better picture at larger scum
However If i don't have time to look into all possible pairings then I'm just gonna follow the game theory logic and go for the safest lynch which is Tor- GameNBurger
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God damnit fromageIn post 612, Fromage wrote:You're probably right. But if I had refused to claim and Burger had hammered me, Burger wouldn't be confscum.
Lurking is the most obvious TPR strategy so you would have guaranteed been the first kill- GameNBurger
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Wait hold up
Why wouldn’t you full claim
If you’re TPR and get outer likr you did, scum will come after you in the night anyways
If someone counterclaims, what happens? We get a confirmed scum between the two of you, so even if we mislynch on a coin flip we get 1 guranteddnscum lynch the next day
There’s literally no benefit and I’m gonna choose to beleive you’re not an idiot
BUT! With a generic reasoning to not full claim, scum could claim a PR without drawing out an immediate counterclaim (as neither town or would have enough info to know if you’re bluffing or not
So please full claim if you’re town
Because otherwise you’re scum trying to ride out an easy half claim to waver quickminded reactioaries and then when you miraculously survive the night you’ll claim it’s an eleaborate attempt from scum to pull off some great WIFOM or something
So do us a favor, full claim please because at this point you’re being taken out tonight no matter what- GameNBurger
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INB4 fromage tries to explain why it’s “good” to not full claim
Potentially there the scenario where you really are town and are hoping the other detective can catch the scum making your kill but that’s 1/14 chance of that happening and those odds are slim AND they’re one shot, once scum shoot you they now know which guy to send to kill after that one night
And I really can’t fathom any other reason why you’d think thats a good idea - GameNBurger
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