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VOTE: Irrelephant11
In post 112, Irrelephant11 wrote:
Disagree with Ausuka about VOTE: 2.178, who seems maybe overeager to justify eir own actions? on re-read
Ausuka you asked "what thoughts are people supposed to have about Dunnstral considering he's only made one mechanic-related post back in RVS?"
This is my question exactly. What does Dunnstral want us to think about him making only one mechanic-related post? Does he want us to just forget about him? Why avoid RVS if he felt RVS wasn't over? Why say so little if he thought RVS was over? Out of those with little to no content, his slot was and is most interesting to me (like 2% interesting, compared to other slots' 0%), which is why I brought him up.
In post 115, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 111, Ausuka wrote:Spoiler: 2 718281828459 (replaced Saudade)
I must put my hand up and admit the development of his scum read does look town-ieshBut I cannot get past him saying "Why is Keyser wanting to limit the forbidden topic to page 1?" as if that was scum alignment indicative. I'm not convinced 2.718 is town yet. I'd like him to explain what he meant when he presented this narrative about me being scum-in-panic-mode...?
In post 119, Reundo wrote:In post 105, Keyser Söze wrote:- town can call their own posts non-alignment indicative when accused of being scummy.
- both town and scum can ask if there is day chat.
- a town player can show concern if they think going down an avenue will be unproductive.
- a town player can be very concerned about being put in "bad light" for unjust causes.
- a town player can stubbornly push to try to change the subject if they think it won't help find scum.
- townies can make dumb mistakes and provide incorrect examples.
- town can "attack" the player attacking them.
Yes, of course town can do all of the above, but my point was that I thought your posts would favor scum!you more than town!you. Like for the first point, it would be more productive from a town POV imo to explain your reasoning behind your post and let Sesq decide for themselves whether or not it was scum indicative instead of straight up telling them they "shouldn't see it as an attempt to look townie" and that it's "non-alignment indicative", and it seemed to me like you were being more defensive than the situation called for. Of course you could be defensive as town, but being defensive naturally has more benefits for scum who lose a lot more than town by being suspected -> voted -> lynched, and when it was combined with something I saw as anti-town (calling your own post "non-alignment indicative" read to me like you were trying to force a certain interpretation of your post instead of leaving it open to discussion) I was inclined to read it as a scum defense. I could probably do the same with a lot of the other points you listed, but I don't think it would be worth it. Honestly, my scum-read of you has been waning steadily, and I think a lot of your later posts do read as genuine scum-hunting (the slight backpeddling of your 2.17 read especially caught me off-guard), but you have to understand that not everyone's going to view you as town and that it's not entirely implausible for me to see your actions coming from scum. If you think I'm "arguing over fluff" then so be it, but all you've said to dispute that is saying that your actions can come from town, which wasn't my point at all and doesn't dispute the fact that your actions could come from scum as well, so if you are town then do a better job of proving me wrong.
Now, for a quick snap-shot read of everyone else...
Irrelephant11 - Decently engaged with the game. His questions and scum-hunting seem pretty fine as a whole, and there's nothing that juts out too much. He seems a little reluctant to scum-read people, and even his vote on Sesq didn't seem that committal. He only voted them to move to something more interesting (?) and then moved onto 2.178 in the next post without much indication why. I'm not so sure it's really scum-motivated though, so he's kind of lean town for me.
Ausuka - Hasn't really done too much so far, but her reads list is pretty solid. I got around the same impression from Sasq as she did, and I really liked her read on northsidegal too. Her read on me seems a bit rambling and is not too coherent tbh, but I guess I get where she's coming from. Probably a lean town once she posts some more.
2.187 - His vote on Keyser seems a bit forced as he doesn't really back it up all that much. His follow up post is meh. I liked his pseudo-town-read of me because it was kind of unconventional, though it does line up neatly with his Keyser vote. It also didn't read as obvious buddying since he admitted my post was a "little annoying". Null lean scum.
Sesq - They seemed a bit too eager to back off of Keyser from the first line of #80, but they wouldn't have really be motivated to do that as scum. But then in the next line they say that keyser is "detached" from the game, but also not in a scum way, yet they aren't really swayed and they keep their vote (???). I don't understand their game plan from either alignment to be honest, and I'm not sure how much of this is actually AI or just their playstyle. Null all around.
volxen - His post-RVS introduction was pretty pointless and actually did nothing to add to the discussion. I get I might be kind of a hypocrite since similar things have been said about my introduction, but it seems even more exaggerated in that the distance between the post he was responding to and his actual post number were literally pages apart and that all he said was basically just paraphrasing what northsidegal said. A lean scum for me.
GameNBurger - Started off with a bunch of game theory talk that didn't lead anywhere, then pleading to people not to town-read him for him, which ironically enough made me town-read him for it a little initially. Honestly, I'm not getting too much of an impression from his posts, like nothing really just juts out as towny or that impressive. Pretty null.
Dunnstral - Not having a strong impression on me. I have no idea why he's voting Sesq. Null.
northsidegal - I think she has a lot of interesting perspectives on things. I liked how she pointed out that GameNBurger could've held onto his "don't townread me" comment to see if anyone would town-read him for it first, but then again I don't think this would really glean anything AI since it wouldn't have been obvious as town to make that decision -- seemed like more of a "good play vs. bad play" sort of statement. It's sort of the same thing with her later posts on Irrelephant, though she did admit it probably doesn't matter much in the end. She offers solid advice overall, which does help town in a sense, but I'm clueless in terms of where she leans on basically everyone. Null.
Poseidon - Close to nothing from him. Null.
Kop - Literally nothing from him. Also null.
So basically in a condensed form the players I'm most comfortable considering as town for the moment are {Irrelephant11, Ausuka} and as scum are {2.187, volxen}.
In post 144, Sesq wrote:reundo's probably just Out To Lunch
In post 147, Irrelephant11 wrote:@Ausuka he just feels overeager to provide reasoning for his votes. At this early stage, as NSG pointed out, there’s a lot more for town to gain by keeping things close to the chest at times. 2718 seems like he’s the one that wants towncred (as opposed to the townsite reason for oversharing - to actually help others sort)
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for reads here, though, I admit
VOTE: reundo
In post 447, Irrelephant11 wrote:lololol
Well, let's try to get another lynch through?
Watcher can counterclaim tomorrow so they don't die tonight if this is a fake claim
In post 627, Ausuka wrote:In post 603, Dunnstral wrote:My case on Ausuka is that he voted Volxen then switched over to Sesq when that became a thing then switched back to volxen when that was happening
this is true, yes, i was hopping between wagons that I was perfectly okay with. (also i'm a she)
As for tw and tor, I hope there's no expectation for me to respond to a cryptic push where I have no idea what the case is actually supposed to be.
In post 638, Irrelephant11 wrote:I would love more info on how you decided to cross names out
In post 613, Toranaga wrote:I'm gonna do some titus™ vca
In post 614, Toranaga wrote:In post 230, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.08
volxen (4) - Reundo 220, Irrelephant11 221, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224
2 718281828459 (1) - Kop 194
Dunnstral (1) - northsidegal 170
Reundo (1) - Ausuka 142
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral 117
[GameNBurger] (1) - volxen 14
Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, 2 718281828459 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
what a beautiful vc. this wagon feels pure. I didn't read irrelephant or reundo to any depth but the posts keyzer soze mentioned are a great look for reundo who seemed to be onto volxen from the very beginning and for all the correct reasons why he was a wolf (the superficial highly descriptive posting that never really went anywhere). keyser is very towny and I think sesq is town for a lot of added up thin reads on both players in that slot.
alright good start.
In post 615, Toranaga wrote:In post 251, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.09
volxen (5) - Reundo 220, Irrelephant11 221, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Ausuka 239
2 718281828459 (2) - Kop 194, volxen 237
Dunnstral (1) - northsidegal 170
Sesq (1) - Dunnstral 117
Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, 2 718281828459 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
dunn has a point in ausuka's very late entrance onto this wagon. I also dislike some of her posts. NSG, dunn, myself are not on any wagons and all look bad. I think <ausuka, NSG, dunnstrall> is a good lynchpool rn looking at this. since I made the 3rd or 4th vote later on volxen when sesq was a runaway wagon, I think VCA actually points to me being town as well
In post 616, Toranaga wrote:In post 344, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.11
Sesq (4) - Dunnstral 117, northsidegal 307, the worst 308, volxen 330
volxen (4) - Reundo 220, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Ausuka 239
Toranaga (1) - Irrelephant 255
[2 718281828459] (1) - Kop 194
Not voting: Toranaga 110, [2 718281828459] 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
this points heavily to the scum team being NSG and ausuka
is that how it's done, titus? did I learn from the master well?
In post 699, Toranaga wrote:I'll let someone else do it cause it's a lot of long complicated posting that'd require too much from me lol
I just dropped by to say ausuka has literally dropped the 3 names pushing her the hardest as her top scumreads
it's OMGUSing so hard that it's probably the first time I use the term seriously
In post 541, Toranaga wrote:also maybe don't lynch inside volxen's wagon if you can avoid it today thx
game is easy bros. just don't do hero reads like me and TW this gameday and lynch inside an actual smart POE for today. not volxen's voters unless you wanna lynch sesq.
In post 720, Toranaga wrote:In post 717, Ausuka wrote:In post 541, Toranaga wrote:also maybe don't lynch inside volxen's wagon if you can avoid it today thx
game is easy bros. just don't do hero reads like me and TW this gameday and lynch inside an actual smart POE for today. not volxen's voters unless you wanna lynch sesq.
also him doing this and then jumping on me (who was on the volxen wagon) is really :thinking:
this is the benefit of a bus in and of itself btw, consider the following;
this is actually a 12p game, we have two mislynches and that's it. from bussing you get a huge pile of towncred, which you then use on things like ^ this, which burns through town mislynches very fast. I can also imagine Tor would absolutely love the idea of getting mass towncred and sweeping with the worst as his buddy. as far as I'm aware this is the only example of someone trying to use the fact they were voting scum to their advantage wrt/ towncred.
you're not a volxen wagoner, you're the latest entrance to it and you never even gave a reason to
when something else got hot you jumped there
there's nothing to your posting that's earning a townread rn. if you manage to convince town I should be lynched instead that's fine but then you die when I flip town, is that good?
In post 729, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 715, Ausuka wrote:Keyser just likes sheeping confident people I guess. Still think he's town.
My bad, I honestly just wanted the ammunition from your flip to gain clarity with my scum read of Toranaga (if that makes sense). I know this sounds anti-town, but it made sense in my head when I voted you.
In post 761, Toranaga wrote:In post 111, Ausuka wrote:Spoiler: northsidegalSpoiler: SesqSpoiler: 2 718281828459 (replaced Saudade)Spoiler: Keyser SözeSpoiler: volxenSpoiler: GameNBurgerSpoiler: Irrelephant11Spoiler: Reundo
@gamenburger: you mentioned keyser was being a bit stiff about sesq. can you like elaborate on if that actually makes you scumread him?
@volxen: why do you think scum!GNB argues that people will tr him for mechanics when he doesn't actually believe that?
oh well
this is very hedgy but I do like some of it
I'll have to ISO dunn now
In post 1098, Eragon wrote:In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:{Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser}
{nsg, (will just trust nauci on this particular read since I'm low on towns anyway) dunnstral}
{Eragon, the worst, Toranga}
{reundo}
about here, i'm probably missing something
can you explain how you think reundo is your biggest scum?
can you explain how you think TW, Tora, and I are scummy?
can you explain your Keyser and NSG TR's?
In post 1300, Flicker wrote:Votecount 2.22
Dunnstral (5) - northsidegal 786, Ausuka 1078, Irrelephant11 1222, the worst 1282, Toranaga 1299
Ausuka (1) - Reundo 946
Not voting: Dunnstral 915, Keyser Söze 1270, Nauci 1271, Eragon 1295
The deadline for Day 2 is 2:17 pm CT on Thursday, September 20, in (expired on 2018-09-20 15:17:24).
In post 1292, the worst wrote:In post 1290, Ausuka wrote:I don't think Dunn is scum tbh but I also think trying to fight this is kind of a waste of energy.
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first point is also super super related. kinda almost feels like volxen was bussed but it's only really a gamestate soul read :/ like I don't really wanna lynch anyone
In post 1552, Eragon wrote:Also, the fact that your talking about MY confidence is ???
Keyser went from hard-defending Dunn with nothing but WIFOM read, and then he suddenly switches to
“If Dunn flips town I’m replacing out”
That’s literally staking his part of the game on dunn’s Flip being red.
If that’s not confidence, then I don’t know what is