Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

[Sesq]

VOTE: keyser soze

because confusing o thing and furry

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Anyone played this setup before?

I.e what’s the best way to play it... does hypoclaiming help town or scum?

And while we’re all saying hello, what are your opinions on how to deal with lurkers.

please Please townread me

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Anyone played this setup before?

I.e what’s the best way to play it... does hypoclaiming help town or scum?

And while we’re all saying hello, what are your opinions on how to deal with lurkers.

please Please townread me

This was a page one question intended to be answered before we enter serious/non-RVS gameplay.

You shouldn’t see it as an attempt to look ‘townie’: it’s as non-alignment indicative as say a player asking if there is scum day chat - why are you being lazy/shortsighted?

you're right. if you were scum you would have at least tried to phrase it differently. and you're not new. also; town tries hard to look like town too. so theres that

after reading further its clear (i hope i dont come off as too rude) that keyser is entirely detached from the state of the game ... but not in a scum way. nothing you have said has really made any sense and ive changed my mind. vote stays

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@irrelephant i changed my mind it was less clear in post but i dont like making post edits

@keyser its more complicated than that

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apparently having a nuanced opinion means you're flip flopping
except for the time i did do that. in a post. whats so wrong?

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Spoiler: northsidegal

I guess I'm about null here? Like, there's scumhunting in her ISO, but I guess something feels off about it. It's like she's pursuing GNB but she never really, like, follows up past pressing on one specific point and then doing the same thing to Irrelephant? Maybe this is just like playstyle and I'm reading too much into it but I feel like town having a seemingly fairly strong scumread there is likely to, like, try and drive a wagon early there and see how people react to that?

Good observation. I agree that NSG has been scumhunting very softly so far (not even one vote yet?). But perhaps nothing has pinged her scumdar very strongly yet. Something to keep an eye on.

Spoiler: Sesq

their posts are a rollercoaster ride to the point where if they flipped red I'd be actually impressed with the acting. also I don't really see the scum motivation exactly for saying "oh i tr you nope jk i scumread you"- it's so convoluted that I think the simplest explanation is that they're just town tbh.

I personally wouldn't jump to town lean/read yet. I wanted sesq to open up about their s/read of me, because right now I'm wondering if he actually realises his scum read/vote of me is not actually supported with anything tangible, and not possessing the town-humility to unvote (...states reasons why I'm town, but then posts "vote stays") Didn't like him describing his own play/posting as "nuanced", as if he's super aware of it (that's probably just a pet-hate of mine though). He remains near null for me. Let's see if he can share more solid thoughts/reads.

Spoiler: 2 718281828459 (replaced Saudade)

First thought is that I like 91 - Considering his tone here I think 2.718 is unlikely to approach the game this way as scum? Like, I guess I get the feeling he approaches this game in a fairly logical manner and that it wouldn't really appeal to him so much to fake gut reads as scum in the stead of logical reads which I think get townread more. It also seems towny that he goes back and tries to justify and elaborate on his read - if scum are going to bother faking a gutread I'm not sure they bother since the word "gut" tends to make people value what you're saying a lot less.

He seems somewhat like town with legitimate conviction in 101; he isn't, like, overly waffly, and I think his approach to Keyser where he builds up his conviction is towny and genuine. It starts as a gutread and he finds evidence that his read is correct and then pushes it. I feel reasonably confident that 2.718 is town.

I must put my hand up and admit the development of his scum read does look town-iesh But I cannot get past him saying "Why is Keyser wanting to limit the forbidden topic to page 1?" as if that was scum alignment indicative. I'm not convinced 2.718 is town yet. I'd like him to explain what he meant when he presented this narrative about me being scum-in-panic-mode...?

its because i changed my mind but i dont like providing reasons why i scumread people because i find the reactions more interesting

your behavior is really bad but i dont know if its scum bad or town bad. leaning the former

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okay it feels like nobody gets that post which is fine because i could have formatted it better. i said "yeah hes probably town" and the last words were "wait no, i think hes scum." and previously i have seen productive things out of scumreading without explanations so its something i try to use, although devotion to the ideal should be contextual

the main problem i have with his play is that it feels like he is walking into the game with a heavy amount of rigid thinking over what can and cannot be discussed and how things should or should not go. i think this is a scum playstyle because in rigidity you can form solid ideas to build off of that dont require the sort of improvisational fervour one needs as a scumplayer without strategy. that said the goals are seemingly cryptic and i dont really understand them, and it could be a weird fusion of learned behaviors influenced by past results in games, but i havent played with him before so i dont know. feel comfortable on it for now.

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okay it feels like nobody gets that post which is fine because i could have formatted it better. i said "yeah hes probably town" and the last words were "wait no, i think hes scum." and previously i have seen productive things out of scumreading without explanations so its something i try to use, although devotion to the ideal should be contextual

the main problem i have with his play is that it feels like he is walking into the game with a heavy amount of rigid thinking over what can and cannot be discussed and how things should or should not go. i think this is a scum playstyle because in rigidity you can form solid ideas to build off of that dont require the sort of improvisational fervour one needs as a scumplayer without strategy. that said the goals are seemingly cryptic and i dont really understand them, and it could be a weird fusion of learned behaviors influenced by past results in games, but i havent played with him before so i dont know. feel comfortable on it for now.

Hey sesq, problem is I can see both scum and town being frustrated with you if you’re “scumreading without explanations” - how do you differentiate the “reactions”?

reactions exclusively from the person i'm voting. im sorry if that was unclear.

as for the gnb stuff i think makes sense just, as a person to say that. because you're annoyed with site meta, and i think thats why it was said. hard to see any scum agenda within the statement

@irrelephant it's not JUST the "stop talking about it" thing, it's the general amount of rigidity. but if this behavior is cohesive with what you've previously seen from him, s' enough for me

UNVOTE:

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reundo's probably just Out To Lunch

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by "detached" i meant that his rigidity was detached, its like he wasnt really thinking but just banking on his own logic

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Yeah, i can see that

VOTE: volxen

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not like i had any strong scumreads before

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So Apparently, having reads and trying to help gamesolve is scummier than, say, doing absolutely nothing and actively lurking while being blatantly apathetic about it. Let’s look at 2.718’s, Toranaga’s and Sesq’s recent posts:

2.718:

in 182, he declares that nothing is worth his attention. I mean, what exactly was the purpose of this post? To prod dodge? Or is it more along the lines of “hey I probably could gamesolve, but it’s just not worth my time”? Whatever the case, it certainly didn’t contribute anything. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

And then in 215, he asks “everyone else” to get some wagons going because he finds the game to be getting “boring”. So rather than doing something productive himself, he is simply expecting everyone else to produce content. Again, blatant active lurking and apathy.

In 231, instead of helping to gamesolve he gives excuses for why he isn’t helping to gamesolve. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

Toranaga:

In 190, he literally admits to not having any interest in this game and blames it on everyone else. Again, a case of someone expecting everyone else to make the game interesting, rather than producing meaningful content themselves. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

In 192 he namedrops me, Sesq, and 2.718 as his scumreads, only to say that he could case all of us, if only he had the motivation to do so. He’s carrying himself with this “I don’t give a shit about this game, but if I did I could easily gamesolve the whole thing” attitude. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

218 and 241 are just fluffposts.

In 243, he once again reinforces his lack of motivation in this game. Blatant active lurking and apathy.

Sesq:

He votes for me in 222, with no explanation other than “Yeah, I can see that”. Then in 249, he declares that he might as well vote for me because, hey, he didn’t have any of his own scumreads anyways. What is he trying to say here, that he doesn’t think for himself and try to gamesolve, but rather just goes with the flow? Blatant active lurking and apathy.

We’ve got multiple people who are engaged in blatant active lurking and complete apathy towards this game, and yet I’m the first one to even bring it up in this post. Why is that?

well yeah, if nothing else stands out to me

nothing is really super apparent with this gamestate and you looked kinda like scum so im gonna sheep it. what else did you expect?

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the reason i was aggressive in earlier games is because i was an angry weird child and now am i unable to put passion into anything at all

including this game

volxens town

[unvote]

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i didnt answer that one question you had because the answer was so obvious

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i am going to create a very unexpected wagon that nobody will expect

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replacing out

i dont like mafia