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Post Post #23  (isolation #0)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:51 am

We end up at 4 people alive but 1 person is confirmed town (watcher) or there's a cc

So it's not worse

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Post Post #117  (isolation #1)  » Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:30 pm

In post 53, GameNBurger wrote:
In post 23, Dunnstral wrote:We end up at 4 people alive but 1 person is confirmed town (watcher) or there's a cc

So it's not worse


We have a watcher no matter what and a base 1/3 of finding scum is in fact worse than 1/2 bass chance of finding scum

Unless you’re talking about something else I’m not reading because this doesn’t exactly communicate the idea clearly


I mean it's not worse than a regular game at 3 people alive

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Keyser Söze wrote:If Dunnstral flips red I would actually wanna put Irrelephant under closer inspection (i.e ill-timed/ill-formed distancing attempt). Or vice versa. I've enjoyed talking to Irrelephant11 so he's on the green side of null so far.


This is bad preflip stuff and you have to jump to a lot of conclusions to get to this point - also it's not warranted at this time

VOTE: Sesq
This is a good place to put a serious vote

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Post Post #122  (isolation #2)  » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:41 am

I'd rather be weird than scummy

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Post Post #128  (isolation #3)  » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:44 am

In post 121, Keyser Söze wrote:weird choice of posts to share comments on:

- first one about set-up talk
- second one about a previous game
- third one about early D1 pre-flip paranoia
- unexplained vote


Can you explain why this is suspicious?

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Post Post #154  (isolation #4)  » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:56 pm

If you're confused about my sesq vote then you're not seeing something in the ~5 posts they had when I voted them?

They voted Keyser in rvs, then followed it up by shading their opening post and then post 80 where they keep their vote on keyser while saying some contradictory things and they seem to be focused only on keyser

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Post Post #172  (isolation #5)  » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:21 pm

Yeah commas are scummy, somebody should look into that

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Post Post #173  (isolation #6)  » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:22 pm

For real though I've got no clue what Kop's normal posting style is like - why do you think the commas are AI?

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Post Post #176  (isolation #7)  » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:11 am

In post 174, northsidegal wrote:not sure how you could frame that as my opinion being "commas are scummy"

In post 175, northsidegal wrote:i quite plainly said that from memory the commas were different than what i remember him talking like normally

if someone's posting differently as compared to how you expect them to, how wouldn't that be AI?


I mean, that looks like exactly what you're saying here, except replace that with "Kop's commas are scummy"

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Post Post #191  (isolation #8)  » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:21 am

In post 190, Toranaga wrote:half the slots are scummy so idek where to vote


Give names

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Post Post #193  (isolation #9)  » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:59 am

Volx looks town to me, I'm voting Sesq, 2.718 is middle of the road, if his name was 2,718 I'd probably be voting him though

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Post Post #217  (isolation #10)  » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:58 pm

In post 215, 2 718281828459 wrote:Dunnstrai, why would you care if I used an american point (2.718) or a british point (2,718)?


Commas are scummy

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Post Post #240  (isolation #11)  » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:22 am

In post 232, northsidegal wrote:i noticed a stylistic difference between the way someone was typing here and the way that i remember that same person typing in a previous game as scum.


OK, if you want you can go more in depth with this because I have low experience with kop and nobody else is pointing at their posting style

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Post Post #244  (isolation #12)  » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:51 am

In post 220, Reundo wrote:I don't really understand the town-reads of volxen. Everything he's posted seems like surface-level scum-hunting based mostly around points that have already been brought up by others, and as a whole it seems like he's much more interested in garnering why player X scum-reads player Y than providing scum-reads of his own. I'm more worried about him than 2.718 at the moment.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: volxen

In post 221, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: volxen

In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that

VOTE: volxen

In post 224, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: volxen

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In post 239, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: volxen


This momentum is pretty weird - I don't think Reundo's case in 220 is that compelling. Sesq looks bad here.

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Post Post #245  (isolation #13)  » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:51 am

Who was town reading Volxen?

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Post Post #246  (isolation #14)  » Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:52 am

In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that


Can you point it out for me?

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Post Post #285  (isolation #15)  » Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:33 pm

In post 246, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that


Can you point it out for me?


Now would be a good time to explain this Sesq

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Post Post #353  (isolation #16)  » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:00 pm

Still think sesq is question dodging

Ausuka votes are kind of weird, though

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Post Post #355  (isolation #17)  » Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:12 pm

In post 239, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: volxen

In post 345, Ausuka wrote:Hi duckling.

VOTE: sesq

Probably a decent vote tbh my tr on them kind of feels like it was probably an inaccurate shitread.


Joining around 4th/5th on both wagons without any explanation

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Post Post #377  (isolation #18)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:03 pm

In post 285, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 246, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 222, Sesq wrote:Yeah, i can see that


Can you point it out for me?


Now would be a good time to explain this Sesq


Why won't you answer this?

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Post Post #378  (isolation #19)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:05 pm

Why were you townreading sesq, ausuka?

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Post Post #382  (isolation #20)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:10 pm

In post 375, Ausuka wrote:Dunnstral- don't really get why he objects so much to the idea that someone sounding completely different is scummy?


If you're talking about the comma thing, I'd like examples of how kop was playing differently to this game, please

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Post Post #385  (isolation #21)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:01 pm

tinfoil theory: Eragon is scum and his partner(s) felt the need to welcome him in thread to try to seem like they're not talking in pt

Not a serious theory jsut something to consider I guess

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Post Post #389  (isolation #22)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:28 pm

What's up nsg?

Do you still believe kop was talking differently by the way?

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Post Post #391  (isolation #23)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:34 pm

In post 387, Reundo wrote:I don't really understand why the volxen wagon died down the way it did. The only town points he got was from northsidegal for being contradictory, and while I can sort of see where northsidegal is coming from it doesn't feel like a particularly strong town-read, and the contradictions run much deeper than mere activity. Looking back on it, post #254 is a lot more petty than I realized. I could see why some of the posts volxen mentioned could be viewed as active lurking, but to not put any more thought into players than "oh, they're active lurking, they're probably scum" is incredibly lazy and narrow-minded. It actually feels like he's afraid of contradicting himself, as if scum-reading someone for doing X means he also has to scum-read everyone who does X, and I'm struggling to see how town can be so close-minded. He gives himself a lot of town points for "having reads and trying to game solve" while completely ignoring that 2.718 made an entire reads list, and the least he could've done was acknowledge that fact and explain why 2.718's reads list was lazy/active-lurking/whatever instead of trying to sweep it under the rug and hope no one notices.

His recent trajectory isn't much better either. 2.718 seemed to be his biggest scum-read, but when northsidegal started town-reading him volxen didn't even bat an eye or seem to care at all really, not even an acknowledgement akin to "well, I guess you have a point on 2.178", and he seemed too eager to hop onto a counter wagon as soon as the opportunity opened up. He also said he was going to update his readslist tomorrow on Friday, and he still hasn't followed up on it. On one hand I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was busier than he intended, and I ended up posting later than I meant to once as well, but part of me feels he's just not bothering anymore because the pressure's been shifted to Sesq instead.

Sesq isn't a terrible lynch, but the way it built up didn't make much sense either. It seemed mostly based on their play here not lining up with their town meta, which sort of makes sense but unless their play here is similar to their scum game it might just be NAI. A lot of players have talked about their lack of motivation in this game, and it's debatable how much of this is genuine or just an excuse but it's wide-spread enough to where I can see Sesq just not being at their A-game this game. Just looking at this game specifically, I'm struggling to see a definite scum agenda to their play. I'm annoyed by their limited scum-reads and coasting behavior, but at the same time they clearly don't care about the impression they give off and they're not super motivated to start a counter-wagon, even going as far as to town-read volxen. It almost feels like they're playing to get lynched in some aspects, which honestly does make some sense as a scum play-style, but I'm kind of iffy on it.

Volxen is still my preferred lynch today. I'm not too opposed to a sesq lynch but I have a lot more reservations about it compared to volxen. Toranga/Dunn are my weakest nulls right now, so I probably won't cry a river over their lynches either, but volxen makes the most sense to me right now tbh.


I feel like sesq's position on the wagon was bad.

They alluded to agreeing with you but when I asked them to point out parts of volxen's play they agreed with all they've done is question dodge

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Post Post #394  (isolation #24)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:01 pm

In post 385, Dunnstral wrote:tinfoil theory: Eragon is scum and his partner(s) felt the need to welcome him in thread to try to seem like they're not talking in pt

Not a serious theory jsut something to consider I guess


Guess this would apply to huntress too theoretically

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Post Post #397  (isolation #25)  » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:21 pm

In post 392, Reundo wrote:You also alluded to volxen being a town-read earlier -- has your opinion changed since then?


Kind of a townread yeah, I think more importantly for me is that I didn't like the way his wagon built up (after you, there is no discussion and people aren't able to explain what it is they actually agree with)

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Post Post #536  (isolation #26)  » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:29 pm

VOTE: Ausuka

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Post Post #549  (isolation #27)  » Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:04 pm

Don't think it's Tornaga, think we should be taking a second look at Ausuka

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Post Post #603  (isolation #28)  » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:30 pm

My case on Ausuka is that he voted Volxen then switched over to Sesq when that became a thing then switched back to volxen when that was happening, and I remember their votes being pretty bad at the time

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Post Post #604  (isolation #29)  » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:33 pm

In post 598, Toranaga wrote:
In post 536, Dunnstral wrote:VOTE: Ausuka

In post 549, Dunnstral wrote:Don't think it's Tornaga, think we should be taking a second look at Ausuka

dunn's posts today, looks very frozen.


This isn't mafia universe

Days last 14 days here, you'd do well to abide by that

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Post Post #779  (isolation #30)  » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:03 am

I'll take a look at this tomorrow yeah

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Post Post #788  (isolation #31)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:09 am

No clue what nsg is on about when they say I'm being unreasonable here and is acting like it's a tell for me

I think the one being unreasonable is you since I don't think you ever went back and checked if what you were saying was true but kept pushing for it (and switched your focus to me)

In post 711, Ausuka wrote:so I'll do this alone and then it'll be totally pointless and you guys can lynch me and I can quit mafia.

I feel like Toranga is flagrantly howling and the worst is scum because he should know better than to a) scumread me here and b) to townread Toranga here. Like I get if you don't agree after reflection I guess but I feel like there are glaring issues with Tor's play that he is totally overlooking. He's also being evasive and it's very strange how he suddenly got a ping from me after I got a wagon. Dunnstral might just be town by reverse poe tbh.

VOTE: Toranga

pedit: oh hi Irrelephant.

Yeah it's totally backwards that people are scumreading me for having a PoE and jumping between the biggest wagon I was okay with but whatever.


How is he "howling"? To my knowledge you're just pushing him since he started pushing you?

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Post Post #789  (isolation #32)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:10 am

In post 734, northsidegal wrote:oh, uh

i think dunnstral is scum again (again? still? honestly cannot remember what conclusion i came to yesterday)


I don't even think I was posting so it's weird that you bring this up here to be honest

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Post Post #790  (isolation #33)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:13 am

In post 784, Keyser Söze wrote:@Reundo - help me with Toranaga and Ausuka.
Both can’t be scum... so either both town, or one scum?


Why do you call out to Reundo here?

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Post Post #847  (isolation #34)  » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:33 pm

Are you sring Not Voting?

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Post Post #915  (isolation #35)  » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:32 pm

UNVOTE: ausuka

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Post Post #957  (isolation #36)  » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:34 pm

Go back to sleep ducky you're wrong

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Post Post #960  (isolation #37)  » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:41 pm

I started rethinking Ausuka on recent postings

I think I'd prefer to get Keyser Soze and I think he's been kind of awkward around the Ausuka vs Me Dynamic

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Post Post #1153  (isolation #38)  » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:37 am

Can somebody remind me why we need me specifically to post more in this game? I don't think I caught that

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Post Post #1259  (isolation #39)  » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:34 am

In post 1257, northsidegal wrote:not sure how much of an authority i am to speak on the subject, although a line i remember from team mafia is "scum!dunn is incapable of original thought"


First of all, I'll argue that I've shown original thought in this game, I just haven't posted much admittedly (but so what?)

Second of all, I think that line was from salty guy who also incorrectly read me that game or something along those lines. Either way our team was 4 town in team mafia

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Post Post #1260  (isolation #40)  » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:35 am

And I was obvious town in team mafia I think, unless I'm misremembering

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Post Post #1338  (isolation #41)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:33 pm

Irrelephant11
NSG
Eragon
maybe TW

Those are names I'd be willing to flip

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Post Post #1348  (isolation #42)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:55 pm

In post 1343, Toranaga wrote:kinda vibing with ausuka being town btw.


Same

Not sure why irre is definitely town but whatever

I'd vote nsg because I don't believe their day long push on me and they haven't been showing much emotion or care I guess

VOTE: Northsidegal

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Post Post #1360  (isolation #43)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:18 pm

In post 1355, Keyser Söze wrote:@Dunn - why do you suspect Eragon?


feels kind of detached from the game

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Post Post #1370  (isolation #44)  » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:32 pm

VOTE: Eragon

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Post Post #2601  (isolation #45)  » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:53 am

Yeah it's fine to release


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