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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Sun May 06, 2018 6:09 am

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Miller claims in first post are pretty standard.

VOTE: Alchemist
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Post Post #96 (isolation #1) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:22 pm

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So, are we lynching within the miller claims?

I've never seen two miller claims in a game.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #2) » Sun May 06, 2018 12:30 pm

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In post 16, Tchill13 wrote:Ooh a Miller claim right out of the gates.

I vote to policy it.
Is this something people do? I thought the general consensus was that if there is a vig, miller claims should be shot. A solo miller claim is a bad day 1 lynch.
In post 22, Ramcius wrote:VOTE: GiF

i'm pretty sure he's scum
This joke is never funny.
In post 45, Ramcius wrote:
In post 44, MariaR wrote:
In post 41, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 38, MariaR wrote:I was just looking to see if you'd act sketchy/squeamish about it...although perhaps I should've said srs vote after a few more posts cause maybe it was obv I was trying to get a reaction. Reeeee
Pedit: I trust everyone until you give me a reason not too :wink:
Nah the trick is to withhold your vote until that person makes even a mildly substantial post, then throw it down and say Serious Vote. It's a known trick but still works. The catch is that you're more likely to get reactions from other people who want to know why rather than the actual target.
Eh I just want to get out of RVS I'm hyped about this game and the talk of miller play that comes down to throwing opinions around isn't really my style. We'll get a serious vote and time I guess I just won't be the one to do it...maybe
VOTE: MariaR

i like RVS, so you just became my enemy :dead:
Is your goal to just be annoying?
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In post 88, Ouroboros wrote:No I actually explicitly don't think that safe claims were given since giffles didn't last game: I think that your role is actually miller but you're scum and that the role PM is something memey about you being a miller despite being scum.

That's also such, such, such a scummy reaction.

WE'RE LYNCHING BUGS BUNNY BOYS EASY GAME.

Actually the PM isn't memey at all just the miller part has its own flavour (and is not explicitly called miller in the ability parts) to fit in with the flavour of the game.
We don't even know that you both got the same flavor.

VOTE: Wilky

Yeah, I'm feeling this one over dave if we are lynching in millers.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #3) » Sun May 06, 2018 11:46 pm

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I've never heard of hider being able to survive hiding behind mafia.

Has anyone at all?
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Post Post #155 (isolation #4) » Mon May 07, 2018 3:52 am

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VOTE: TChill

In a sea of PR claims I trust this the last
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Post Post #156 (isolation #5) » Mon May 07, 2018 3:53 am

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In post 155, ManWithNoName wrote:VOTE: TChill

In a sea of PR claims I trust this the least
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Post Post #160 (isolation #6) » Mon May 07, 2018 5:07 am

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My theory is that TChill is not lying about his role, but is lying about the alignment.

I think we have either a Vig or an SK somewhere in here, and the mafia has a hider, specifically, TChill.

Wilky is probably a scum partner.

By extension, Ourobouros is town.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #7) » Mon May 07, 2018 5:09 am

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In post 161, Ouroboros wrote:I also have reasons that I can't share for thinking Tchills claim is a lot likelier than people think: that said I don't think the Tchill wagon is really gaining momentum as much as scum are all voting there to distract from caught scum Wilky.
I'll go back to Wilky for now. I don't understand how TChill's claim is likely, so if you could expand on your reasons it would be nice.

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Post Post #173 (isolation #8) » Mon May 07, 2018 5:31 am

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If there is a vig, and there is just one scum team, which is likely, considering the town wincon, I would be surprised if there were not scum protectives.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #9) » Mon May 07, 2018 8:01 am

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In post 201, Ramcius wrote:VOTE: Ramcius

agree, that's good wagon
So, are you hard claiming scum? You already seemed pretty scummy, so...

VOTE: Ramicus
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Post Post #207 (isolation #10) » Mon May 07, 2018 8:39 am

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In post 204, hebichan wrote:VOTE: Ramicus

After the catchup, yes.

Though tbh last game I played with ram he gladiated town.
Who's catchup?
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Post Post #215 (isolation #11) » Mon May 07, 2018 9:40 am

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Let's just all agree to not claim any more roles unprompted.

I will consider any more claims to be scum claims.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #12) » Mon May 07, 2018 10:37 am

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In post 229, Nero Cain wrote:Well, I mean I felt like Dave was scummier than Wilky here and I haven't really changed my mind so....what else do you feel like I should be doing?
I'd like it if you could expand on your dave/wilky viewpoint.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #13) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 am

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VOTE: Kaede

Either she's just trolling, or she's very carefully posting as much as she can which is NAI. Show, don't tell.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #14) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:35 am

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In post 323, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Oh GIF's not around, now that comment ended up being kinda anti climatic.
I guess I'll have to prove my townyness later.
Well, I think I know what's coming up, so, in anticipation of the Innocent Child reveal that I'm sure you are talking about.

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Post Post #332 (isolation #15) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:37 am

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In post 327, Ouroboros wrote:Ok my partner wants to pressure verylazy but don't all derail Ramcius please he's still scum and the more people who stay on him the less I gotta burn my mental energy to kill him.
I was going back because I forgot the name of the scummy guy I was voting before. I have no name and no memory for names.

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Post Post #341 (isolation #16) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:51 am

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@Ouroboros and Alchemist, I'm having trouble following this conversation. Who are you talking about?
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Post Post #345 (isolation #17) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:01 am

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What are the thoughts on Nero so far, by the way? I'm having a hard time really making what I am thinking (A scumlean) go from abstract thoughts to actual words.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #18) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:08 am

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I don't think anyone has expressed that all of {TChill, Davesaz, and Wilky} are town.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #19) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:09 am

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In post 347, Ouroboros wrote:VOTE: Ventriloquist

Actually can I get team support here this intrigues me
Why Ventriloquist?

He's barely a blip on my mental RADAR right now.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #20) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:12 am

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In post 351, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 349, ManWithNoName wrote:I don't think anyone has expressed that all of {TChill, Davesaz, and Wilky} are town.
I think they're all town
I stand corrected, then, and respectfully disagree.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #21) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:13 am

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In post 352, Ouroboros wrote:That's the problem, man with no name :P

Or at least, it's one of them.
That makes alot of sense, actually.

I'm not ready to move my vote just yet, though.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #22) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:44 am

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Wraith
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REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

So, by the way, here is my issue with Ventriloquist vote right now. These slots all fall into the same "barely a blip on the RADAR" place.

I would like to see anything resembling actually playing the game from all these slots. Maybe Dunnstral does not belong on here.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #23) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:47 am

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Also, to mostly RC because I feel like he would know best, but I guess anyone can chime in. In this sized game, what's the general ratio of town to scum, assuming no multiball?
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Post Post #369 (isolation #24) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:48 am

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In post 367, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:
In post 366, ManWithNoName wrote:Wraith
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REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

So, by the way, here is my issue with Ventriloquist vote right now. These slots all fall into the same "barely a blip on the RADAR" place.

I would like to see anything resembling actually playing the game from all these slots. Maybe Dunnstral does not belong on here.
very well. you got me. i'm not playing the game.

sit down. have a beer. chat with me. partner it's time to ride those horses and shoot some scumbags' matey!
Your posts do nothing to move the game state forward.

I'm almost inclined to say you would be a jester with how blatant you are being.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #25) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:53 am

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In post 371, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:at least i'm funny unlike ramcius :^)
I'll give you that one.
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Post Post #401 (isolation #26) » Tue May 08, 2018 10:47 am

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VOTE: Realmen only jungle

I'd rather have a wagon here.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #27) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:04 pm

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I got tired of following a town read rather than pursuing my own reads, especially when the Ventriloquist read came down to "He's inactive".

Just because you're obvtown, doesn't mean you are always right, RC. You should have learned that by now.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #28) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:11 pm

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When I said he's barely a blip on my radar, you said responded with. "That's the problem."

That's when I stopped sheeping you.

If you thought I meant something different, I was saying it was an inactive slot.

I might not have been clear before that, I now realize.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #29) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:19 pm

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I agree Ventriloquist needs to start posting, that being said, I think Realmen's posting has been to the point where he is just avoiding posting anything that can be AI. The last time I voted off of someone that was doing that, I got burned, that's why I am pushing Realmen.

Ventriloquist has enough votes without me to pressure him into voting, anyway.

Like, fuck, this is a large anyway, if I were scum with Ventriloquist, why wouldn't I vote him for the town cred anyway?
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Post Post #449 (isolation #30) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:19 pm

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He had enough votes, at least. I didn't realize he was down to just two until just now.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #31) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:29 pm

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I can understand the reaction to my posting, by the way. I'm just going to have to be better going forward.

I still think Realmen is the best vote at this point in time. Ventriloquist can be on notice, but Realmen has actually been scummy (I will admit again, amusing) but scummy, overall.
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Post Post #495 (isolation #32) » Tue May 08, 2018 10:11 pm

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In post 482, Ouroboros wrote:
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- Are you scum reading Jungle for his lack of AI posts?

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I do believe that is the best way to phrase it. He reads in a way that he's not trying to game solve, he's just trying to not give away any information. That's enough to earn a scum read from me.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #33) » Wed May 09, 2018 3:07 am

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In post 166, verylazy wrote:i could hop on wilky wagon but i want to resolve tchill first
Here's a post that, going back, strikes me as scummy actually because of context in general. Verylazy has not offered a read on either wilky or tchill, just a desire to "resolve" tchill and a willingness to join a wagon later. I find it odd that a tchill case is not accompanied with this. I've seen scum, in the past, push a lynch without sorting anyone and line up the ability to switch lynches. I want to give a brief nod to Anonymous Ghost, hopefully without spewing too much what my main is, and say that when rereading just now, her comments in a previous game's mod thread were what sparked this idea.

VOTE: VeryLazy

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to lurking so I don't totally give away my main's identity because that's the whole point of this alt.

Anony, if you remember the game and figure it out from that, please don't tell people, I just want to continue in semi-anonymity.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #34) » Wed May 09, 2018 3:59 am

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In post 523, Ouroboros wrote:The fact that people are defending him says a lot
Impossibear comes in with 'scared of wagon speed' even though I've been hard pushing them for days and have gotten absolutely zero results from anyone.
Also the fact that the way that Jingle talked about me as coming across as town with no skill is always a scumpost.
You first voted him yesterday. Hell, two days ago he wasn't in your reads list.

Your definition of days is weird.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #35) » Wed May 09, 2018 4:11 am

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In post 539, Ouroboros wrote:
In post 502, Ouroboros wrote:
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Do you still hold your stance that Jungle isn't trying to game solve, despite the vote on Impossibear?
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Post Post #546 (isolation #36) » Wed May 09, 2018 4:15 am

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Fine, whatever.

VOTE: Ventriloquist

I don't like being a leader anyway
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Post Post #555 (isolation #37) » Wed May 09, 2018 4:32 am

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Lynch pool

Ventriloquist is not my top choice, but I could see him as scum. I'm pretty much just giving up on my stand to try and be assertive by voting him.
Verylazy, as explained earlier, I see scum motivation in posts where this slot is not sorting but looking to lynch TChill and Wilky.
Nero is a gut scumread, and I'd still lynch there.

Ramcius is also an outlier right now and I feel like I had a reason to scumlean on him, but I need to go back tonight and reread to see what was there thaat I would want to lynch.

After thought, I am still not a fan of trying to sort out miller claims here, and if Ourobouros is town reading Tchill, I'm not going to be enough of a force to really push that. So, that's why I switched off of them.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #38) » Wed May 09, 2018 4:51 am

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In post 562, Ouroboros wrote:
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Does TChill13 hard claiming as a Hider affect your read on him? Albeit a very unusual hider who can't die if he targets scum.

Ghost
That's the majority of it. I find his claim still extremely suspicious, and his play, or lack thereof, does nothing to alleviate it.

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Post Post #585 (isolation #39) » Wed May 09, 2018 5:12 am

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In post 582, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE wrote:this is not what i signed up for. i signed up for fun and to meme and chocolates and pizza and to MANwagon easyscum
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Post Post #587 (isolation #40) » Wed May 09, 2018 5:16 am

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Post Post #619 (isolation #41) » Wed May 09, 2018 6:12 am

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Oh, fuck off Impossibear. I acknowledged my play was being sub par. Do you want be to fucking lie and tell you all I'm a fucking god of mafia and my play had been perfect?
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Post Post #624 (isolation #42) » Wed May 09, 2018 6:22 am

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In post 623, MariaR wrote:
In post 621, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:I think ETL is town.
there obv town yes just being massive hypocrites
And assholes to boot.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #43) » Wed May 09, 2018 6:51 am

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Almost as if people can independently form reads that happen to line up with what another slot sees.

I think verylazy is the best lynch today, still. But, I'm not going to go against a lynch of someone being scummy that an obvtown person is really pushing for. I've been accused of not working well with townreads in the past, and I am trying to work on that. I'm not going to fight a lynch on a probscum just because I'm reading someone as more scummy. We have to lynch them all at some point anyway.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #44) » Wed May 09, 2018 7:02 am

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I have not stopped sorting using the general posting of people.

For instance, I am going to keep an eye on Maria's votes throughout the game because of what she is posting. She is on my list of never lynch until after some flips, though.
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Post Post #682 (isolation #45) » Wed May 09, 2018 10:46 am

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He's pursuing and forming some reads, even if he's not providing reasoning.

And, even so, I was thinking about it and what's the scum motivation for him to keep his meme posting up? As far as I can tell, there is none. So, I'm calling the meme style NAI, as I can see it coming from either town or scum, especially since now I am reminded of someone else who I thought a weird posting style in a certain character was scum indicative, and ended up being wrong.

It was good I did not get my way in that lynch, and could be good that I didn't get my way in this read. He's null at worst for me.
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Post Post #751 (isolation #46) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:40 am

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In post 737, Ventriloquist wrote:
In post 521, Ouroboros wrote:Okay so I'm locking in here

Ventriloquist is lockscum
Impossibear is lockscum
MWNN is probably scum

VOTE: Ventriloquist
You're literally like a broken record - how rudimentary is this logic? Impossibear doesn't agree with you so Impossibear must be scum? In what world would a mafia aligned player defend another mafia aligned player so damn hard, knowing that they would both go down together?

MWNN has not given substantial reasons for any of his votes, he has simply changed it several times and given some vague reasoning which never really materialises - once more he always changes his vote back to whatever Ouroboros is going with, despite voting elsewhere briefly (to create the illusion of actually having his own voice) - Given the way in which MWNN and REALMEN instantly rallied around you, it wouldn't surprise me if you're all scum together. Ouroboros 'probably' reading MWNN makes perfect sense here, making it seem like MWNN is on his radar as a bad guy (thus distancing himself) yet never putting him at the top, therefore not having to consider lynching him.

Taking the saying of the best defense is a good offense to a whole new level.
So, your entire scum read of me is because I haven't provided enough information for you? What would you like to know?

Maybe if you engaged in discussion rather than deciding you have found three of the scum already based on interactions, you could improve your reads.

Also, what do you do when I flip town? Say that it just proves your read of Ourobouros not wanting to lynch me because Ouro is scum and fake scum leaning me?

Associatives like this are pretty bullshit reasons to base reads on before flips.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #47) » Thu May 10, 2018 9:02 am

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In post 753, Ouroboros wrote:Also final and pretty damning point against Ventriloquist: why did he wait so long and post all of his major points at once?
Answer: because he posted simplified versions in scum thread and waited for his teammates to be able to review them and improve them.
Going by timestamps, this is pretty believable. All those posts were made between 3:23 to 3:25 EST.
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Post Post #783 (isolation #48) » Thu May 10, 2018 10:05 am

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If one post is scummy, it's scummy. I mean, I base my reads on what is here. If someone is not posting much, I base it on what they have posted.

I did not like the posts from Vent earlier today, so if my vote wasn't there they would be now.

The way I read it, he's saying the Ouroboros, Realmen and I are a scum team because we voted together. I'm the only one he even bothered to do a half-assed case on.

If it takes me getting lynched for people to actually lynch Ventriloquist and verylazy, so be it. I don't have an ego too big to take a mislynch day 1.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #49) » Thu May 10, 2018 10:38 am

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I'm going to just come clean on why I was fighting Ouroboros before. I played a game with RC on my main and just don't like interacting with him because his play style clashes so much with mine.

It was personal, petty and stupid. And I am nothing if not petty and stupid.
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Post Post #796 (isolation #50) » Thu May 10, 2018 10:40 am

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What emotion am I appealing to?

I don't think you're using that acronym right.
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Post Post #798 (isolation #51) » Thu May 10, 2018 10:43 am

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I'm just coming clean, like I personally don't like RC's playstyle, but then I realized I also shouldn't let that get in the way of playing to my wincon.

Like, I really don't give a shit if you guys lynch me because I know town outnumbers scum and I know my reads will probably be respected more when you see me flip town. There's no emotional appeal here.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #52) » Thu May 10, 2018 10:43 am

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In post 797, wilky wrote:I think I am. You're coming in telling everyone that you were being petty and stupid hoping that we just feel bad that you let your emotions take over and cut you some slack for your earlier play.
I don't want you to feel bad for me, you doofus. I want you to hold me accountable.
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #53) » Fri May 11, 2018 9:09 am

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Taking a break from my illness today to comment, I think Nero does not deserve to be in the lynchpool tomorrow, he got townier since I made my lynchpool.

If I'm still around tomorrow and do not get vigged, I'll probably votepark verylazy slot unless the replacement comes in and wows me.

I'm like 100% not the Scum kill, I would assume.
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Post Post #5952 (isolation #54) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:54 am

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When did this game end? I'm still alive by the way, just had to crawl through the desert a bit. The go through the civil war. I feel like there was a bridge explosion.

Then the standoff, it was epic. Three people, and, spoilers, I won.
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Post Post #5954 (isolation #55) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:59 am

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Hey, you know, I'm thinking of going to a small town in Mexico, San Miguel. It's gonna be so relaxing in that town. Definitely no killing to be done there.
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Post Post #5956 (isolation #56) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:07 am

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Eventually I will remember the plot to For a Few Dollars more and write about that probably.
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Post Post #5958 (isolation #57) » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:04 am

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I would confirm or deny the conclusion if you want, although this may be enough for you if you found it today.

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