NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

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Good call....~

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Chick is town if we assume vengeful but we should prolly policy that at some point and dictate a vengekill (I can't see her disagreeing heaps since I think she's been busy irl/less engaged in maf lately)

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That could have been schemed with scum!Nos but not town!Nos probably?

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Unless scum rolecopped that slot n1 or smthn

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4v13 or 5v12, either are fine. We do have a lot of town power.

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Sorry I don't really play larges much and won't be poring thru that.. I'll take your word for it tentatively but goddamn if you guys lynch me then we lose over a balancing disagreement I'll be shook

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He only said he was a tpr tho and maybe investigative? not the details

BTW I doubt scum tried to kill Ausuka whole MoI was still alive. not sure what's up with n2 tho unless they shot a50 too??

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My mind has been screaming "MoI obvscum" since he forcefully shoved me off the dramwagon but like.... Talking about shooting investigatives is nagl for someone you all think is a sk

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I sent pine a rambling message n2 about how my soul was begging me to shoot MoI but if it flipped town you guys would never talk to me again

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That would be pretty funny.

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quack????

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totally Quackers. I'd hate to have to kill scum AND make my town friends bread.

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dead** sry preoccupied

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if it were mb surely we would've found out by nk count

also: has pine modded an unannounced mb before?

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if it were mb surely we would've found out by nk count

also: has pine modded an unannounced mb before?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh if this were mb I'd be scum ignore part 1

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Anyway, back to our normally scheduled programming and not my extreme teen paranoia.

Assuming we have just one anti-town left, and also assuming we have two kills each night, when do we reach LYLO or MYLO?

1v9
1v6
1v3

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I think he crumbed that there's a multitasking mod

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Just prodge lovely if we reach LyLo we'll policy you and tell you who to venge

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hmm that's an interesting take. putting it like that I actually think I agree....unless each faction is specifically informed that more than one anti town faction exists and the such it's actually technically not balanced

this is totally not game related I just like having company for my epiphanies

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Because I'm either town vig or sk

Either we kill the entire scumteam and endgame or lynch me to endgame

Scum are also very likely to nightkill me esp after I've killed 2/~4 of them singlehandedly

unless we're satisfied the entire mafia is dead sorting me is like high key a moot point



Please claim all of your info

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Previously stated town equity in HWS redacted btw I thought he thought I was a multitasking serial thriller then decided to just drop it

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I think we lynch Nos here for the {MoI, Nos, Chickadee} slot information

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fistbump Harold#2

Gotchu fam

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More like if yoire up in LyLo and you ARE town we're gonna lose over the sheer WIFOM man

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\o/

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So if chick is scum, nos/andy town psychologist picked her n1 and chick knew or got lucky and claimed venge?
Either figuring it from play (maybe moi does this), claimed it coincidendally as wifom (moi did kinda gambit with claiming as he did), or rolecop or similar give it away
It doesn't seem likely but moi reinforcing andys result feels kinda gross in retrospect

earlygame MoI/Chick interactions reeeeek of pocketing tho so my first impressions were like "ah lol chick is town BUT WAIT"
yeah literally anything is possible. it's a great claim but also like

town psych => town vengeful guilty
town detective => town vig guilty

both on n1 makes me emoji
possible but not probable

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I am easy to pocket. Especially if the pocket is warm and cozy.

mine is super fluffy if you're keen?

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TW are you ninja vig?

ninja is still exclusively mafia iirc?

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oohhh no any alignment now
my bad

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I am not a ninja

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my modifier is "as fuck"

hardclaim vig as fuck

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I actually don't think you're bad.. welp

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I'll try my best.

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I can't kill serial killers I severely doubt we have one

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VOTE: Nos

I'm still vig and we won off play not associatives so like..... mb doesn't seem like an intuitive answer...

Lynch me the day before LyLo if you're not convinced Rasky. There's still a fakeclaim out there by way of the unexplained loud modifier (SK!me does not explain the wacky night actions). so we still have solving to do.

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also reasoning for Sky kill was pretty obvious like

she was like 60%ish scum and not lynchable (and if I mislynch her again it'll break my hearttttt). Nos is like 70% scum and his lynch has a lot more support

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I should be like.... clear town on play by now. town balances out a larger scumteam by sheer power (disloyal FV is like close to negative utility to boot--especially by MoI claiming right out the gate and getting cc'd by Ausuka).

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Other option is lynch Nos => Chickadee (venge TW) into LyLo I think

that's probably optimal

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6th?

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Ausuka
brassherald - conftown by Ausuka
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Jingle
Chickadee
Raskolnikov - conftown by Ausuka
Irrelephant11
Nosferatu


If I am groupscum who do you think my buddies are here?

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if we're in 4:4:x for some ridiculous reason and you lynch me town instantly loses so.... I don't mean to turn into a melting pot of AtE but lynch one of my '"partners"" and I'll shoot another one tonight.

correct play if you're worried this is lylo isn't to lynch the vig who has been obvtown all game. it's to lynch people with high scum equity by play because you're more likely to hit another scumfaction.

If you think I'm soloscum, you should lynch to finish groupscum first here imo since I'm dead before LyLo anyway.

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50% TW is just SK
20% 4+4 multiball (end of story essentially)
15% 4+3 (or 4+2 but seems unlikely)
15% 5th scum nos

If you feel this way then look at how urgent these situations are to resolve.

most urgent

4+4
4+3
5vX
SK!tw

least urgent

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my mind keeps having flashes of paranoia about scum!suka but she is actually town by play like. ~80% here.

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someone tell me Rask isn't TMIing about mb
that's ultimate tinfoil right

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oh fuck

why is there a fruit vendor in a setup without a tracker or a watcher and who the fuck is the loud modifier person

how does town have an ungated vig and ungated townclearing potential?....the only counter to any of this is a mafia prime number night jailkeeper to the vig

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and yet you very strongly believe it's just me as a serial killer left
while I've been b2b2b2b shooting the correct portion of the lynchpool

again....... if I'm ever groupscum here where do you see my partners being?

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Ngl I think it's comically obvious what my modifier is and why I've been lolcatting instead of claiming jt.

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who was hit by the loud n1? mafia loud tracker/joat....almost makes sense

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I don't think you can have two disloyal FVs in a normal even if their alignments are different

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but like even if Ausuka was scum fakeclaiming VT I'd probably throw the game over not lynching her here ://

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Rasky what do you think my modifier is

I've been like 30% as vague as last time lmao.

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o ye while we're at it brassherald is also obvtown by play

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Rask I'm gonna fullclaim immediately after you guess I'm just like "uhhhhhh rly" at the fact you still feel the need to guess

my entire play this game resolves more strongly around my modifier than being a vig fwiw

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I spent all day of D1 avoiding sorting anyone

after that I claimed ungated vig and continually talked about shooting scum and how I wouldn't be announcing my kills

and shooting scum

and laughing about the fact I didn't die at night


gimme your real best guess

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it's actually tilting af that you've been treating me as "conf vig or SK" until 8p and now you're like ANTI TOWN LET'S LYNCH THIS instead of like actually playing to the possibility of a second set of groupscum

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but otherwise your play is town and the chance of you being hardcleared is like.... well above 80% so

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I'm x shot bulletproof. and playing like full low brow here and I'm so devastated you're not levelling with me

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We lynch Nos to 7p

I NK like probably Jingle into 6p I think (I'm townreading him but there's like no one left alive with scum equity and he's good scum)

Scum probably kill you or Ausuka to 5p

Lynch someone into 4p

I'll hold my shot into 3p

Lynch Chickadee into 2p and she venges me into 1p.


like we only need 1 townread to win this even if you think I'm a serial killer. you haven't even convinced yourself that you think I'm groupscum so I can't see a reason not to play this through to the bitter end.

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there's no reason for you to trust me to hold my shot

I'll hold my shot tonight into 6p. then lynch chickadee into 5p and venge me into 4p for another easy 3p lylo.

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do you seriously not think I'm BP because I don't intend on claiming the full details of my BP lmao

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Sorry to disappoint.

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thank you. as I said setup strongly suggests anothee scumteam.

can you unvote now?

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I'll fullclaim BP modifier if a couple more people ask for it but it kinda feels like...... not a good thing to do

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thank you. as I said setup strongly suggests anothee scumteam.

can you unvote now?

sorry - another scum. not another scumteam necessarily but we'll find out when we lynch another obvscum player

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seriously I cannot fathom what the fuck they're doing but there's very obviously things missing in this solve. Nos flip spews whether the setup has complementing roles and IF it does I wouldn't be surprised if we have a composite number night modifier, as well as a some kind of scum tracking or watching role to complement the fruit vendor situation.

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+ where the fuck is the loud modifier

+ I've been low-key leashing my kills while screaming about the fact inwouldn't be leashing my kills so why are you not using my kills here and letting me scumclaim by not doing exactly as directed?

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It outright can’t be 4v4v9, btw. We’d be endgames rn.

I thought of this, but read the role pms on page 1

and I can nk
and I'm not easy to kill once you get your fucking vote off me

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the fact you're only seeing like 75% of the big picture and will sit idly by without realising that there is almost no resistance to my lynch except like....... slightly? brass is driving me crazy

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sorry - another scum. not another scumteam necessarily but we'll find out when we lynch another obvscum player

maf with ninja and the only tracker?
that's why it suggests MB

a town tracker otoh I think really would've come up with something by now

I actually didn't totally parse this. good shout.

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also please tell me you realise scum!tw would be best served by not overspeculating and steering the kill onto himself since he'd be like, more or less confirmed goon at this point?

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or non acting n1 but like

all dem kills are mine and I'm v pourd of dem

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and same if I'm SK

so unless you actually think I'm mb groupscum.......

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Loud modifier is almost certainly the doc who doesn't need to out at the moment.

this 100% needs to out because we have unexplained nights with no loud actions received

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the potential for, for example, a loud mafia tracker are WAY too high for FPS. sorry but this has gotta happen.

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I know that's kinda funny bc I've been fps my modifier alllllllll game but like... sue me

pedit: yes they expressly need to have different faction names I believe (e.g. maf/ww, two family names, etc.)

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I mean... It's Rask.

It's been Rask for like three day phases.

have I missed something really dumb

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thought Taly claimed VT?

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Ausuka would then have to be a disloyal fruit vendor

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but that's...... roughly close

plus if we're looking at one scumteam Nos is 100% the last scum
and if I'm scum I'm very very obviously not aligned so

powerlynch Nos
I'll NK on leash

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LMFAO

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except brassy has bp
I have bp

it's like...... a far cry but not less than 10% winnable at random

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Irrespective

Lynch player with highest scum equity? thx

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with respect to distrusting brass' claim like....theyre different fundamentally so..... no I didn't really distrust it

also if Q1 2018 creature posted 5 times in a row then hard claimed nk immune miller vig guess what? he's a nk immune miller vig for real

brass is almost certainly town by play so even if the role was a lie I'd trust it to be a reasoned gambit lol

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So who is your proposed scumteam, TW?

I think Nos probably flips red and finishes this garbo tbh

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@Rask bulletproof is the modifier lmao

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andddddddd I won't be explaining the full details of the BP unless like...... probably Ausuka and brass want to know I think

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My info is that all of the roles that aren't vanilla, have something to do with the new normal rules (eg Hider, specific night, fruit vendor, activated were all whitelisted

BP NOT MENTIONED

brassherald bp is different because the new part of it mentioned was ACTIVATED

Rasky
look me in my black, beady soulless eye
I'm not ad lib fake claiming a role that the informed townie has already spewed as fake

I also don't want to die while I can still fuck scum's day up so I don't intend to fullclaim the details of the bp

I'll suck it up and just do it if my other townreads want it but I don't think you're going the extra level deeper yet and so I won't reactively redact my preference right now

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I want the loud mod claim on the table because if there's actually a second scumteam they're probably not town

FTR I've never been 100% confident they're a protective because I've had extra information about the lack of NKs

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says who

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UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUgh why did I lynch HWS he has even towny

I'm still a bit :/// about this

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Prime Night JK
Disloyal FV
Ninja
Goon

Prime night JK hits ~ every second night
Disloyal FV softfirms town and adds confusion and MoI accidentally played it as a negative utility

town has an ungated vig and a soft clearerer

I'm actually concerned this feels too townsided

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Ohhhhh your game solve just involves profiling me

NICE GUYS just because I have a KNIFE I must be a FILTHY SERIAL KILLR

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this oppression is awful. I knew I should've shot Rask

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and yet you can't explain a team WITH me in it you're just tinfoil PoEing. when it's pretty obvious Nos is just the last scum and I'm ridiculously obviously town by play.

total farce.

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I can't get over the similarities between this situation and the witch trial in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. where is my radiant King Arthur to swoop in and ignore the injustice.... >:

for real though on what planet do you think I'm in a second 3 person scumteam with like..... anyone?

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@mod
hypothetically speaking how would you react if I said you're my favourite tree themed user?

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I don't. I also asked you for a proposed scumteam and you failed to answer. I'm putting the eggs in "You're an SK basket" because the other baskets look suspiciously like bear traps.

I responded I very very much don't think there's a second scumteam and flipping Nos puts us in endgame.

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there are 0 people who can be scum with me here tho

please tell me you see my headache

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like as much as I've made a huge song and dance of not announcing kills etc. etc. I have unreservedly shot the highest scum equity players on the list. you're imagining some second god tier scumteam with absolutely zero associatives to me and frankly that's ridiculous

my jumping up and down demanding to be night killed HAS come with a risk which I flatly refuse to disclose--but I have been prepared to eat a NK at any point when I haven't been bulletproof and my nk baiting has been totally transparent. if I was on some hella incognito ninja scumteam why the fuck would I continually bait the NK when I'm not 100% BP?

I fucking hate being mislynched. it has not happened outside of marathons and one like, pants on head level lolhammer by another townie once. flip Nos, watch this shit endgame.

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still feelsbadman

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me (3) : Rask, Jingle, Ausuka
obvscumfucknos who will endgame by being lynched (2) : TW, brass

up to you chicka
also l-1 me and Nos will hammer 100% sooo

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fortunately Ausuka is the only one voting me who should have a better meta read on me and realise that if we're in multiball I like..... cannot be groupscum I blew my groupscum range a while ago.

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I'm like 100% town
scum flip from Nos ends this
if it doesn't lynch me tomorrow

at least give me this

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like I'm entirely with you on setup spec there's almost guaranteed no second scumteam

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you know I'm too lazy for that town power is high enough for it here.

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we're lynching you to win the game

would you be cool w self voting or

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HWS was literally fine.

Ausuka, we don't have two scumteams.

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I don't like..... really trust Pine to lean super heavily into precedent before balance. in that I trust him to prioritise balance over precedent.

this town is ridiculously strong. if you like assume I'm a vigilante and let's say we actually have a loud doc then you're looking at some serious mofo investigative powers + ungated town killing + maybe?full town protective Vs. low power scum roles. again the only counter to this fustercluck of town power is a Jk against the vig who realistically gets to act on half the nights.

No strongman shots? no antitown investigatives? just minimal scum protective powers?

don't buy it

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Iirc Skygazer and profii reactions spew me as vig or SK as well unless you actually think I'm like a partially bulletproof mafia goon from some fucking god tier scumteam with absolutely no associatives what so ever (hint: this is because they do not exist).

their reaction to my claim was "oh a sk". selective scumhunting if you want. not once did any flipped scum member even imply that there could be a second scumteam--I don't see this coming from a team of 4 weak scum PRs. this is much more likely to come from a confident larger informed minority.

actually should have claimed BP mod when I realised Skygazer was becoming more tunnelled on me being sk, that kinda spews that they've splashed a shot on my BP at least once

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called it

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L-1

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hi

no


pedit: how did you know?

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): just because I like you Rask.
my BP is only on even nights. I'm probably fucked now

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AWOOOOOO

Huh interesting.

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Jeez what happened to that quote

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no MafiaScum.net did it for me!! the holy trinity of mafia (mith, zor and pine) must be sending me a message

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Ausuka we've talked about the assumption all mainscum are dead. you have to understand this game is balanced absolutely fine to have 5 mainscum, and I don't think precedent trumps balance. like this town is powerful and anti scum factions are undeniably powerful even if you think I'm sk.

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first time as an sk I didn't kill enough scum
and now THIS

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Maybe tw is BP SK and that's why one of the nights had no kill HMMM

TW could actually be multitasking tracker

both of these made me lol

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Also sorry a50

Yeah, no problem. Just remember that I do get NK'd as a CLAIMED VANILLA TOWNIE all the same. My claim canNOT be trusted by the "evil forces" and those who know me well know that for a fact.

I feel so so bad for this. I kinda realised both of my kill prospects in you and HWS were probably town but you were always a VT. I'm ok with the SK rant thread being released BTW. and in that I think I expressed my burning desire to kill scum again but the fact that if MoI flipped green I was doomed.

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what's in the maf thread anyways

scheming

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^ get ready for some serially thrilling reading

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it was like a soft scumlean which mostly dsvelopped d2 LMAO I actually had flashbacks to our chat about how we approach the game as different alignments and had a couple of pings. you also felt different to BSanders for a bit early game but it like... wore off when you became towny af and cleared....

dram was so so so so so so so scum I couldn't not kill him n1

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dw me too
that was a very general like read not like the dram/MoI reads

having reliable meta is for chumps right?

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actually gonna throw down mad respect for the hard anti bus play from {dram, MoI, profii}
(sky already knows I think she's rad)

taking such a strong stance as "we will not lynch a claimed pr and it doesn't matter if he's scum d1" was like.... an insanely ballsy take on a scumbuddy. and staying off the profii wagon given how lynchable he was, with some solid reasoning, was also like a pretty impressive play

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Like I said, everyone did a great job. The scumteam got crushed hard, but they went down swinging, and spun each new shitstorm in the best light possible.

QFT.

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Annadog40 is working on that!

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@dave if it's any solace the really really crappy pushes on you early on helped me forming a couple of my scumspects

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VOTE: profii

I'll get paranoid and tunnel profii eventually let's just get that over with

Will be using this rvs vote more tbh

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Easy to selectively scumhunt when you know who 4/5 of the scum are.

as SK it's pretty easy to smell who scum are by how focused they become on you and how badly they ignore groupscum hunting

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^ it depends entirely on the read accuracy of the SK

if you have a loose sk with either very good reads or reads you just can't gauge, put bullets in that shit asap

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Yeah with so much town alive it was better to roll the dice. I am fun to shoot but not THAT much fun.