Hi everyone. I'm catching up right now; I'll likely just end up placing my vote where it needs to be to secure a lynch at this point.
Can anyone summarize some of the important points of the game?
NY 213 - Game Over!
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(For the townreads on the wagon:)In post 4555, Vaxkiller wrote:
Uhhh can you outline your town reads?In post 4499, Skygazer wrote:Based on the sheer number of my townreads on the lalendra wagon I'll likely end up there
Hopkirk/Ausuka are confirmed
PP - main counterwagon to wheme
JJD - pushed wheme heavily/consistently
Tchill - like their presence in the past pages
Wave - don't have an opinion of this slot but if Ausuka isn't voting him it's good enough for me for now
Creature - apparently town for a lot of people through meta lately? I'm kind of fuzzy on the deets. Not convinced they're scum w wheme looking at the shenanigans at the end of D2, seemed kind of too blatant for scum?
It's kind of hard to form solid reads this early on into my replacement because I haven't had any interactions but this is good enough for me to sheep for now-
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Are you scumreadin jjd now?In post 4746, Creature wrote:JJD's presence alone is making me very skeptical about it for some reason-
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bunch o' peopleIn post 4732, Scioness Sajj wrote:are you still sheeping and if you are then who
im a simple woman, i see a wagon and i sheep
in other news im a little concerned that this wagon happened so quickly? like there's a second wagon but still-
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Guys, texcat's progression onto dunn is pretty sus, he goes from townreading to suddenly scumreading for a single reason (4315), laid pretty low for most of his wagon, and then hopping on with the naked vote right when the Dunn wagon actually starts to pick up (4819) while his wagon is dying down.
VOTE: texcat
(Sorry for not really participating, I'm going to actively try to change that. I'm technically caught up but just feel so far behind and I kind of feel super out of my element considering I'm one of the newest people here and probably one of the worst scum hunters here. I'll actively work to change my activity levels)-
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Considering you hopped on to the Dunn wagon when JJD was the only voter, is this paranoia gone or is your scumread on Dunn strong enough to overlook it?In post 4750, Creature wrote:
It's more paranoia tbhIn post 4749, Skygazer wrote:
Are you scumreadin jjd now?In post 4746, Creature wrote:JJD's presence alone is making me very skeptical about it for some reason-
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ehhh depends. I mean bussing is a thing. I don't really trust myself to do associations before either player flips, though, I just find texcat scummy so I votedIn post 4889, Golden Robster wrote:
do you townread dunn then?In post 4888, Skygazer wrote:Guys, texcat's progression onto dunn is pretty sus, he goes from townreading to suddenly scumreading for a single reason (4315), laid pretty low for most of his wagon, and then hopping on with the naked vote right when the Dunn wagon actually starts to pick up (4819) while his wagon is dying down.
VOTE: texcat
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I don't like dunn defending wheme on D2. His pushes on mylo and texcat seem weakly reasoned and he seems content to just stay vote-parked and not really game solve. He also doesn't really provide much reasoning for texcat-scum and puts the onus on others to say why they think texcat is town. I talked about texcat already I think, but Golden Robster made a good point that they (along with mylo) could just be lost sheep. TBG's wheme unvote is questionable but not the worst thing I've seen. I don't like a lot of your votes and your jump on and off of wheme was sus but I feel like if you were scum bussing you would actually commit to it and not move off right away to PP?In post 4901, Scioness Sajj wrote:would you share those reasons? also on dunn, tex and tbg since you don't like them either.
So I'm gonna
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Ehhh looking at the votes I think that's a perfect time for a bus from wave; there was very little pressure on wheme when wave placed his vote, PP had all the pressure still, and scum doesn't like to jump on mislynches towards the end. Like I'm not even seeing why he was town-reading PP when I ctrl-f through the iso.-
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Or maybe scum wanted us to think that?
Which of PP's reads align with yours at the moment?-
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To whoever asked me about gamma, I'm not the biggest fan of their wagon at the moment.
I think it's interesting that wave put in all of this effort saying hopkirk was probably left alive due to bad reads and somehow ended up voting someone with hopkirk that has been in hopkirk's lynch pool since yesterday.
If I were to go full conspiracy then I'd say maybe hopkirk was left alive because he's townreading wave?
VOTE: wave-
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You don't find it odd that wave lightly discredits Hopkirk's reads and now they're voting together? I mean, I see your point though.In post 5440, Ankamius wrote:Hopkirk's reads seem to be mostly consensus, Sky. That probably isn't too relevant.-
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Why would Hop be left alive for his case on Mylo and PP potentially killed for having a read that included Mylo?In post 5237, wavemode wrote:is it possible that the only reason Hopkirk is alive is his end-of-day case on mylo?
And sorry, I had misremembered this post when I made my earlier posts today-
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Wave, why are you having a surge of activity all of a sudden after catching some votes?-
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VOTE: sajj
Creature, whatever you're having, can I have some?-
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VOTE: texcat
that sajj reads list was town
still TRing TBG-
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meIn post 6221, Creature wrote:Who will be around for the deadline?-
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I don't like GR's progression on texcat tbh, going from scumleaning to calling him lynchbaity for a while, then pressuring him a bit once again and then hard pushing against the texcat wagon-
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Wave ended the day on a wagon with conf scum (texcat) and one of his scum reads (mylo) so that doesn't sit well w me either-
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VOTE: Golden Robster
Wanna see how this wave/tchill thing plays out tho-
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universal backup can still be scum regardless right??
not seeing how that would confirm tchill at all
granted i'm tipsy so could someone spell it out to me if I'm being dense?-
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I think wave is town here tho unless this is a hilarious modern take on a mason fakeclaim gambit
pedit: that's what I get for not checking wiki pages-
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wow u can really tell i'm giving it my all this game-
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wave, why'd you target tchill and gamma and when did you target each?-
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ok i think this makes sense based on gamma's read shift-
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is this a hint at something or is there just something in there that I missed or
i may have lied when I said I was just tipsy
help me out here-
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oh yeah i got that now
just took me a little while to get there-
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I mean wave/tchill are essentially masons considering they're confirmed to each other and a gamma green flip would confirm them both as town soIn post 6575, Kublai Khan wrote:
No.... ? Just a confirmation of getting a mod PM and a ok that the paraphrasing sounds good.In post 6571, Krazy wrote:So a green gamma flip at any point gives us a pair of masons.-
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Does anyone remember offhand how the JJD wagon dissolved yesterday? There's a gap in the last and second to last vote count. The JJD wagon looks pretty town-led so I'm wondering if scum tried consolidating around sajj in response to that-
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First flashwagonish area
5929 - Gamma unvotes from JJD wagon
5936 - JJD jumps to sajj from TBG
5948 - Krazy jumps to sajj from Gamma
5965 - JJD goes back to TBG
5975 - TBG votes texcat to be the first on wagon (!! townpoints to TBG)
5980 - Krazy votes texcat
5983/5984/5985/5986 - Gamma/Ank/Sky/Vax all vote texcat
basically a lot of the people on JJD moved over to texcat then to sajj then back to texcat-
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Sajj is conftown and TBG is likely town
Only texcat, mylo, and Wave were on TBG at end of day and only GR, JJD, Hop, and Tchill were on sajj at end of day.
texcat is confscum, Hop is conftown and Wave/Tchill are likely conftown so I think this greatly increases the Mylo's/GR's/JJD's scum equity but I also think at least one scum probably managed to sneak onto texcat-
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GR's self-vote screams AtE to me, would anyone else say the same?-
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I mean there's a tactical advantage to slow-rolling clears-
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like they weren't in imminent danger of being lynched and outing them would allow them to be picked off by nightkills-
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like look at this sudden read shift right hereIn post 2509, Ausuka wrote:
JJD is towny, KK is meh, FL is scummy.In post 2506, Hopkirk wrote:What are your reads looking like Ausuka? I know last list had JJD, KK, and FL all near/at the bottom.
How do you feel about KK/FL interactions.
{Creature, Hopkirk, Vaxkiller}
{EspeciallyTheLies, Frozen Angel, Dunnstral, Jarjardrinks, Golden Robster, wavemode}
{Gamma Emerald, Pine, Scioness Sajj, Kublai Khan, Whemestar, texcat}
{TehBrawlGuy, Myloninja13, Lalendra}
{Android, Penguinpower, Flavour Leaf}
that's enough for me to believe this-
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that comes after ausuka scum read wave all day-
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This was D1 and the reads list above was D2In post 1853, Ausuka wrote:ETL is scummy... Wave is very scummy.
look at that shift after N1
this makes perfect sense as a slow roll-
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sorry 6616 wasn't to you i just hit submit w/o looking at the preview-
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sorry wave for being 0 for 2 in scumreading you-
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rlly down for a GR lynch now
based on wagon composition yesterday JJD would be cool too
I should get tipsy and play mafia more i like this whole not lurking thing-
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I really don't like JJD's progression on texcat either. He starts off with a very weakly reasoned townread plus a lot of defending here:
Spoiler: townreading texcat
To a sudden weakly reasoned scumread here:
Spoiler: scumreading texcat
Like this sudden read shift isn't really backed up by anything strong and looks like classic distancing once the reads start to shift against texcat. Despite the scumread he never votes for texcat at EoD even to prevent a no-lynch, shading the wagon composition here:
Like I'm not convinced at all by JJD's townread on tex, by his scumread on tex, by his read shift, or by his reluctance to vote a scumread to avoid a no lynch simply due to wagon composition.In post 6281, JarJarDrinks wrote:I'm strongly against no-lynches too.
ButI cannot join that wagon.Spoiler:-
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{GR, JJD}
One or both scum are definitely here imo-
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*One or both are definitely scum is a better phrasing-
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if wave is clear then by definition tchill has to be clear based on the backup role only being able to take roles of one's own alignmentIn post 6637, Golden Robster wrote:gamma needs to confirm that wavemode is telling the truth
also I don't believe that clears tchill or gamma right now
if u look at ausuka's readshift on ESL/Wave then it's clear that theyre tellin the truth and they cleared themselves N1-
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Does this look super contrived to anyone else? Like who just has a perfect reads flip? How does one flip just completely manage to perfectly flip your reads and cause you to throw all your townreads and scumreads out the window (even the strong ones!)In post 6377, Golden Robster wrote:D5 reads
Conf town: Hopkirk
Town: KK, JJD,
Leaning Town: Tchill, Krazy
Semi-Leaning Town: Texcat (dead), Wavemode, Mylo
Null/Undecided: Vax
Semi-Leaning Scum: Creature, Gamma, Skygazer, Anka
Leaning Scum: SS (dead), TBG
Scum:
flip these reads
Conf town: Hopkirk
Town:
Leaning Town: SS (dead), TBG
Semi-leaning town: Creature, Gamma, Skygazer, Anka
Null/undecided: Vax
Semi-leaning scum: Wavemode, Mylo
Leaning scum: Tchill, Krazy
Scum: KK, JJD-
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I don't think anyone has a natural progression like that I think it's super contrived and was done to exaggerate why we should look past your original reads
