SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Commander Shepard]

Check my rankings esp was one of my top townreads and his reaction felt legit to me. I felt it was more likely fire was bsing in some way IE gambit or just fakeclaiming then having a srs guilty on one of my top townreads yes. If it was on someone I was scumreading I wouldn't have had an issue.

Okay... why would that make Fire's claim fake rather than the result flawed?

I'm actually surprised there aren't more powers based on the rankings. Scum lied about the numbers for a reason.

If any of the cop claims are genuine I'm actually leaning towards Fires mechanically simply because it uses the rankings.

Pedit Because of your PP unvote. It was horrible. You spent a majority of the thread talking about PP and then unvote him and haven't actually seemed to do any reevaluating of the slot. A majority of your reasons PP is scum also don't link to PP's meta.

At work here is the brief version will expand more later

[Commander Shepard]

I don't understand your logic.

You think I'm scum because I wanted to reevaluate based on new information?

Rereading/making the claim that you have/will do so is not alignment indicative.

It’s more your reasoning for said reelaviation didn’t match up with your reasons for doing so.

You have a scum case that did NOT rely on meta.

Then when meta came in you blatantly ignored the other reasons. At the time it looked like an excuse to not vote PP, and so far nothing has countered that opinion so it stands.

[Commander Shepard]

It’s more your reasoning for said reelaviation didn’t match up with your reasons for doing so.

You have a scum case that did NOT rely on meta.

Then when meta came in you blatantly ignored the other reasons. At the time it looked like an excuse to not vote PP, and so far nothing has countered that opinion so it stands.

The strongest points in my case were disproven by meta, so I thought it wise to reevaluate. But that doesn't mean I sudddenly ignored my non-meta reasons. It means those points alone weren't enough to lynch him.

As you know from the Newbie game, I stress probabilities and some behaviors increase probability more than others. The PP case was based on taking all the points together, but none of the points alone were enough to lynch him. You take away the strongest point, and the overall probability wasn't enough for me to keep pushing him without reevaluating.

I think you're making way more out of this than you should be and that concerns me. I also think you're desire to die doesn't come from a town mindset (it's similar to how you play as scum, and don't say that's not true because I can pull up examples). I agree that you're playing much more aggressive in some respects than you do as scum, in a way that feels more like your town play, but the non-survivalistic stuff plus the weird suspicion of me based on unvoting PP doesn't feel like something you'd do as town.

This is circles

Your strongest points were not related to meta at all.

I already rehashed this point numerous times.

You and Vax are scum.

[Commander Shepard]

I'm not sure what else to say at this point in the game.

I still think Shepard's the best lynch today.

Shoshin

Let’s assume for a second we have played together.

Let’s assume for a second you don’t think I am terrible as scum.

It’s confirmed there are two cop claims a vig claim and an inno all going into night.

If you truly believe I am scum then why the fuck would I leave all of that open?

And on top of that shift all attention to myself the next day intentionally. I work best as scum when universally townread.

Now why would scum!me make what looks to be a dumb kill and before night ends beg to die?

I am not stupid. People voting me have 0 respect for my scum game. And right now that kill points to inexperienced or inactive scum.

What would you have done as scum after replacing your slot? What's your plan to get universally townread?

I would have been very appealing towards people who have wrong reads for the right reasons. I would make some townie with atrocious reads the town leader. Take a look at Shadowrun. I took my slot which was a bit suspected due to a single misspeak (not slip mind you as it could have come from town) and buddied the only person alive who heard it and the doctor to always navigate around protects. In Gistou my advice single handedly slaughtered the other scum team in one night due to town kills and I was strongman vigged for never being able to be lynched because so townie. I was so Townie mastina (who is awesome and I only say this to make a point not to attack someone who isn’t here) made a mod mistake and gave someone an investigative result of my fake claim and I wasn’t suspected. They started attacking each other.

Scum is much easier when other townies do the mislynching for you. Then you just let the narrative write itself.

In this case I am trying to figure out this game. Find me someone I have been buddy buddy towards. You fucking can’t.

You manipulate your meta, though. So why should I trust you here? Especially with the way you're mindlessly tunneling me? I'd like to townread you because you're fun to play with but you're not making it easy.

Assume for a moment I'm town. Who are the scum? What do you make of all the cops and vigs?

Vax would be one. MariaR another. Probably Fire too. I don’t trust any of the claims and I think they are meant to draw out real ones. MariaR is way too protective of Vax when he is lying or scum lied on rankings.

Two cops two vigs and two protects just can’t be.

[Commander Shepard]

Shepard, what's your read on Pun?

Not group scum. Pun shot me and didn’t die.

[Commander Shepard]

Vax would be one. MariaR another. Probably Fire too. I don’t trust any of the claims and I think they are meant to draw out real ones. MariaR is way too protective of Vax when he is lying or scum lied on rankings.

Two cops two vigs and two protects just can’t be.

What has Vax lied about?

Vigging me or the rankings

Something doesn’t add up around that slot.

And omg can we please lynch Shoshin? That mass claim call out is hella bad.

[Commander Shepard]

Why is he lying about vigging or the rankings? Explain.

This game needs an adrenaline injection. A mass claim could help with that.

Because I am alive. We’ve been over this.

And shooting ourselves in the foot for adrenaline is stupid medically and mafialy

What would help is people not voteparking me all day

You not recycling the same shit

And people actually doing things other than “oh Shepard has votes” I will vote here

[Commander Shepard]

Furthermore in regards to my meta me it’s simple

I am smart scum
I don’t do dumb kills

If there is a cop and an innocent I don’t shoot outside of that

Duh :/

Like assuming I am scum right now means that you’d think I would Okay a dumb shot period.

[Commander Shepard]

HOly shit btw shoshin is town i think

Did you doubt it before this?

This is a good start.

Ask questions

If you are that convinced I did something boneheaded as scum find my partners.

[Commander Shepard]

Shepard, your best option at this point is to work with me because I'm actually here trying to figure this out.

For starters, I suggest you stop saying things are "obvious" when they're not to anyone but you. That's not helpful to me or anyone else.

The fact that you're alive doesn't mean Vax is lying because Pun also shot you. That means YOU are lying, or something happened last night that neither of us understand. Either way, there's no reason to believe Vax is lying.

1) I explained Punreader shot me. ManWithNoName asked and I stepped over step by step punreader shot me.
2) This means either scum lied about rankings or I was protected.
3) For Vax to be telling the truth means I was protected by scum. It’s much more likely Vax is lying and rankings are truthful. Those rankings have been prodded every which way.

Pedit

If that’s the case there is no innocent on Vax. Which then begs a whole lot of questions.

[Commander Shepard]

You’d have to think that scum fucked with rankings and then saw my I wanna die crumb and protected me.

That’s the only way I see this with Vax town and truth telling.

[Commander Shepard]

I am coming from a “assume Vax is truth telling” approach and the assumptions require insane stretches

Hence why in almost any world Vax is scum.

[Commander Shepard]

Conditional PGO Redirector Suicider

The flavor associated with it is Equinox being a responsible adult.

Pedit Not without altouting. I have record of punreader with me on one game where they did as punreader. I believe I know who they are but people alt for a reason so I don’t out them.

[Commander Shepard]

That’s not the exact name I am working off memory at work. Will get the exact name after work

[Commander Shepard]

It talks about how Equinox drove EP to LA and that they both had to have faith in each other.

[Commander Shepard]

Okay, so you do think Pun is capable of reading you? Hard to believe, because Pun's been very wrong about almost everything in this game so far.

Yes I do.

I have a game called Civ Mafia on here
I was wrong on all of my scumreads. And was trashed for it.
However an overlooked fact of that game was that almost all my townreads were right and I was in a very dysfunctional hydra to say the least.

I just don’t think Pun claims vig day one as scum unprompted.

[Commander Shepard]

Sk maaaaybe but never group scum.

[Commander Shepard]

Read on Espeonage?

Don’t have one. I have been focusing on most likely scum since I was pretty sure I would be mislynched and you and Vax fit that right now. If I die with scattered reads people listening is abysmal

If I die with focused reads people listening is a little less than abysmal

[Commander Shepard]

Why wouldn't I be?

Because a setup with two cops with more than one shot as MariaR and you implied is stupid.

Like I can’t figure out if this is derp!Fire or scum!Fire leaning the latter.

So much scumminess.

[Commander Shepard]

Conditional PGO Redirector Suicider

The flavor associated with it is Equinox being a responsible adult.

Pedit Not without altouting. I have record of punreader with me on one game where they did as punreader. I believe I know who they are but people alt for a reason so I don’t out them.

Conditional Redirector Suicide Bomber is the official name of the role.

Suicide Bomber is available on the Wiki.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ide_Bomber

Redirector is on the wiki but it’s actually a passive on my suicide bomber.

Conditional is well obvious. It relies on me being shot and the conditions applied as I mentioned.

[Commander Shepard]

Ok, lets go down that road.

Shep, name someone that has argued to fuck with you about setup spec in game and tells you forthright when you are wrong. Because that would describe me.

And if me and math are agreeing that your shit makes no sense from a setup standpoint, that means something is fucked up.

Right now I feel the world is fucked up.

V/LA tomorrow roommate’s birthday

[Commander Shepard]

Vax did you claim any target n1? Did punreader?
Shepard, care to claim anything more?
I think i’ve made a little progress on the logic puzzle.
Reading more...

No. I either tell scum how to live or not. I would really rather not.

[Commander Shepard]

But Nico? You should know better... she's basically silent on D1...

If I was here I would rank Nico a zero for that reason.

Because Nico posts so little her posts stand out.

On an alt of hers she made one post before flaking that mentioned a screwdriver. It claimed she was a doctor because that was a reference to Doctor Who which let me buddy someone to win. She really needs to be more active in her games.

Why are you trying to say that Nico not posting is acceptable?

[Commander Shepard]

I think it's unacceptable to rank someone a 0 for doing something that you know they do as town.

As for Nico's playstyle, I'm opposed to policy lynching someone who is readable, and say what you will about Nico, she's readable after D1.

I would have to give 0’s to someone though and so I would give 0’s to people who don’t post. And lol Nico isn’t readable after day one :/ She almost never makes it through day one and gets replaced.

[Commander Shepard]

. MariaR - non-consecutive night cop maybe??? BP after copping

you got that right

This post exchange is ugly.

[Commander Shepard]

1) Wrong. If we assume you’re town which I find preposterous If Fire is scum and MariaR town (a scenario that will reveal itself one way or another) you being blocked would be likely being an innocent. Still can’t figure out why scum killed TBG.

2) I still maintain that I think you are full of shit

[Commander Shepard]

@theworst can you explain what happened with pun/cshep/myself last night?

CShep is higher ranked than Pun so Pun's action had no effect. Remove Pun from the equation and recalculate.

From worst’s list I wasn’t?

If the kill was indeed stopped by that (seems likely) that means scum fucked with the rankings.

And scum could have also easily saw my crumb and protected me as well to cause this chaos.

[Commander Shepard]

Hard to keep up at work:

@Dunnstral assume that you’re truth telling

Assume Punreader is truth telling
Assume Vaxkiller is truth telling

This means three vigs right?

So potentially on night one then we could have had what four deaths? Vax (if lying about novice) Punreader you and the scum kill

...I think that is a little much :/ It doesn’t make sense

[Commander Shepard]

Okay.

Now we know that punreader is a proven vig/SK/killer
You are never going to say you are scum
When I was starting to be townread Vax then claims vig on me.

Why did you not counterclaim Vax or pressure Vax? You and I both have very strong evidence that Vax is likely lying.
Me because I am alive
And you because of you claimed role

[Commander Shepard]

That is the problem I have with this game in general
Two cops none of which are dead
3 vigs none of which are dead
A supposed inno not dead
And instead scum kill TBG
And none of the claims are pushing each other

[Commander Shepard]

If all the scum are bulletproof, the vigs are strictly negative utility.

If all the scum are godfathers or if there's lawyers/framers, the cops are also negative utility.

We don't know what scum have, so I disagree that it doesn't make sense. We just don't know what scum have.

....That just seems silly.

A lawyer/framer is only good if they know who the check is going to
Arming an entire group of scum with BP would make punreader who is prob SK auto lose
Like that’s just silliness

I gotta drive the carpool

The simple answer is Vax or Dunn are lying

[Commander Shepard]

I'd like to lynch Maria.

Just parked and wtf?

You can’t in one breath say that “the cops could all be town”
Then say “I want to lynch a cop claim” without some serious explanation.

[Commander Shepard]

Not lynching Maria, if we were lynching cops we'd be lynching fire but I don't want a cop today

Okay.

Now we know that punreader is a proven vig/SK/killer
You are never going to say you are scum
When I was starting to be townread Vax then claims vig on me.

Why did you not counterclaim Vax or pressure Vax? You and I both have very strong evidence that Vax is likely lying.
Me because I am alive
And you because of you claimed role

I'm not a vig role, really, though I do optionally contribute a broadcasted kill (it can be protected from, he knows the day before), and my role was already claimed in thread when vax claimed his stuff so there's no reason I had to be the one to say something

1) If MariaR is scum it’s with Dunn. Dunn!Scum I think would put off the cop shit as much as possible
2) If a kill exists and is known about from the day before even if you broadcasted it how would someone protect themselves from it? Doctors/Jailkeeps/other roles don’t generally protect themselves
3) Assuming this is true which it gets more and more sketchy, why did you choose the role you did?

[Commander Shepard]

Why the fuck is Maria all of a sudden a thing?

I think it is a pivot from people knowing Fire is town so they don’t want to lynch there.
Scum got exhausted from trying to mislynch me.

And there really isn’t a leader to actually go “no y’all are being silly” scum is blah blah blah.

I kinda wanna see Dunn’s response but I think I have an idea.

[Commander Shepard]

1) No scum would not clamor to my wagon.
They did so at the start thinking I would be easy mislynch bait.

However when I flip town people know they would be held accountable so they don’t want in.

Furthermore like almost everyone is inactive so more reasons your point is invalid

And if you actually had shot me you’d have CC’s Dunn or Pun long before this point.

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I kinda wanna give Shoshin a day and lynch Vax or DV here. Both get closer to what the fuck happened and are likely scum. I kinda wanna see what Shoshin is thinking and that doesn’t work if she is lynched.

[Commander Shepard]

And Vax proves he is scum by not/selectively reading.

[Commander Shepard]

If you want to lynch a vig your options are pun or pun.

Good thing Vax probably isn’t a vig thanks to my guilty

Unless you flip town sane cop I don’t give a damn about your inno when 3 vig isn’t a thing

Like Dunn or Vax conf scum
DeasVeil has his hands in all sorts of shit and just pops up whenever.

Like we need a flip in those three to figure this out or Maria.

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I kinda wanna give Shoshin a day and lynch Vax or DV here. Both get closer to what the fuck happened and are likely scum. I kinda wanna see what Shoshin is thinking and that doesn’t work if she is lynched.

How does lynching me get closer to what the fuck happened? Also I don’t get why you’re voting Vax at all

1) It eliminates or confirms lightning rod.

I am voting Vax because one of these claimed vigs has to be wrong and since Vax didn’t die it is him

Pedit yay more lynch me no reasons

Pedit omg let me posts

Perot 4 VIGS? Vax needs to die like right fucking now.

[Commander Shepard]

If you want to lynch a vig your options are pun or pun.

Good thing Vax probably isn’t a vig thanks to my guilty

Unless you flip town sane cop I don’t give a damn about your inno when 3 vig isn’t a thing

Like Dunn or Vax conf scum
DeasVeil has his hands in all sorts of shit and just pops up whenever.

Like we need a flip in those three to figure this out or Maria.

If people need more to know why this slot is scum look no further

Yes because 4 town vigs is clearly mod acceptable

*rolls eyes*

[Commander Shepard]

Dunn claimed he could vig
Esp claimed he could vig
Punreader is a confirmed vig
You are a claimed vig

Granted the upper two are claimed restricted
The middle is confirmed

If you’re so sure I am scum why not just shoot me again and prove me wrong?

If you’re truly a vig you don’t have to fight to have your way. You’d just do it

[Commander Shepard]

MariaR claimed an inno on Vaxkiller

OMG will people stop saying this as if it is fact.

I am claiming a guilty on Vax because he isn’t dead and because of the number of vigs.

2 mechanical reasons guilty > 1 mechanical reason innocent

We should all be on Vaxkiller

Not hard

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Shoshin

Punreader said they were shooting Shoshin and Shoshin is alive.

[Commander Shepard]

Shoshin

Lol you’d have shot Punreader if you were actually a vig either tonight otherwise we wouldn’t have the numbers to actually survive.

[Commander Shepard]

I shot you and your alive.

That was yesterday.

No way you’d do it twice again you’d shoot Punreader or someone else.

If you are town and did that twice you honestly think that if scum foiled you once they wouldn’t do it again?

[Commander Shepard]

Now we lynch Shoshin who somehow survived Punreader’s shot.

[Commander Shepard]

Is pun reader even talking to you? I mean he was BARELY here yesterday!!!!!!

This game has me all riled up.

Punreader claimed the shot.

The other person in the hood can confirm

Being a confirmed liar would rile anyone up wouldn’t it?

Are you counting? You aren’t are you.

But I am wondering if that is a Shoshin town slip.

VOTE: Unvote

So tell me how Shoshin lived.

[Commander Shepard]

Day breaks.

Votecount 4.0

Not Voting

(11): Punreader, Krazy, DeasVail, Espeonage, Dunnstral, Commander Shepard, the worst, Shoshin, Fire Assassin, guacamole, Vaxkiller

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-08-09 10:05:00)

11 alive.
Assuming Shoshin is town (tin foil logic time)
10 going into night
Nightkill makes it 9
If Punreader is 3P and fires and hits town there is no tomorrow.

[Commander Shepard]

This means Vax is scum godfather who tried to get me mislynched.

I will sit here and chill with you’re welcome.

Vax or Shoshin in case Vax is doing wine to save Shoshin.

[Commander Shepard]

NOPE.avi

Lynch shoshin I give no fucks, then we lynch you. I _KNOW_ your full of shit. I shot you and you are alive. I'll do anything t make sure you are dead scum even if I have to lynch a townie to convince this town.



VOTE: shosin

What shoshin town slip? What are you talking about?

*leans back in work chair*

I am quite chill.

Right now we talk if we policy punreader or carry atm or whether we lynch Shoshin.

Lynching Shoshin furthermore on the off chance that Shoshin is green only proves that scum fucked with Punreader.

This means that either you’re a liar or scum can fuck with two nightkills each night.

I find it highly unlikely they would fuck wth you twice you’re just maintaining the lie.

[Commander Shepard]

Townslip is that you don’t mind lynching a townie to prove it.

Town doesn’t lynch town with quite potentially the last lynch of the game.

[Commander Shepard]

I get you’re stuck tunneling me because town didn’t listen yesterday but like you could at least pretend you’re town. Lol

[Commander Shepard]

My management got taken over by Reapers

Posting at work will not be a thing for a bit

[Commander Shepard]

(+ATK -SPD) Target someone to be informed of whether or not they are mafia, and do nothing the next Night Phase.

Reminder that this was used to Vax to clear him, stop asking him to full claim

Reminder Godfathers are a thing and this is likely lylo if Pun is 3P everyone is claiming

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Commander Shepard

Punreader was roleblocked probably

CS is just scum

And when Vaxkiller’s “vig” didn’t work a second time?

Punreader could be blocked but then what about Vax who claimed to shoot me again??

I call bullshit.

[Commander Shepard]

So yeah, yesterday I was worried that CShep was SK with a mafia train on him, but now that Maria flipped I think he's just scum. This pretty much nukes my reading of Deas too, so I'm hoping I didn't throw last night. At the time I was thinking I could prevent an organized mafia quickhammer today.

Is there any chance that Vax is both nightkill and detection immune as GF? IMO seems unlikely. Vax is SK or Vax is town, either way he does not get lynched today. Mafia is too far in the lead.

Then again I basically don't play large themes so maybe setup speculation like that is wrong.

1) Two claimed kills are missing today. This necessitates a scum in Vax or Shoshin.
It actually exonerates me living yesterday if it is Vaxkiller. He just is a godfather riding the coattails of the innocent from Maria and fake claimed vig.

Punreader on the other hand is confirmed vig.

[Commander Shepard]

Secondly if we don’t lynch scum we carry an SK if it exists to end game

We lose control of our destiny.

[Commander Shepard]

Votecount 4.1

Commander Shepard

(1): Dunnstral

Shoshin

(1): Vaxkiller

Not Voting

(9): Punreader, Krazy/DeasVail, Espeonage, the worst, Shoshin, Fire Assassin, guacamole, Commander Shepard

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-08-09 10:05:00)

[/quote]

How did Krazy/DV end up joined at the hip? Same as Maria and Chara?

[Commander Shepard]

This is fear-mongering

If you don’t confront reality reality confronts you.

I am telling the truth. There are two missing kills and a weird link thing.

[Commander Shepard]

On an away mission til Saturday
Commander Anderson gave me an urgent mission that has to be completed.

Will check in as I can.

[Commander Shepard]

I guess Chara was skeptical of the speed of hammers but I kind of don't think scum let Shepherd not get lynched yesterday if he's town. That's probably not very good reasoning though.

At some point I need to sit down and work up a flowchart of wtf is even going on in this game. Right now feeling better about Shepherd than anyone else though.

If you’re feeling better about me why are you voting me?

Wouldn’t you feel worse about me?

*confused*

Second off there is 11 alive likely 4 scum 1 SK and I doubt Vax is truthtelling but if he is then whatever he is.

This means 3 deaths possible overnight.
Lynch correctly or lose range

Shoshin if you have an explanation for why the fuck you are alive I wanna hear it.

[Commander Shepard]

Sheeping Maria.

Maria was a claimed cop; her death is explained as a PR kill.

I have a better idea for you.

Sheep Taly and TehBrawlGuy; neither was a PR kill, and both were kills likely on the merits of their play.

They are the players you want to listen to.

Additional reasoning for Commander Shepherd being town:
It is common belief that I am a 3p in this game. Were Commander Shepherd pun, I feel that Commander Shepherd would simply have shot our third neighbor N2 (a night we know was not a PR kill and was instead a play kill), so as to try and collaborate with me. (After all, what's the worst that could happen from a failed collaboration? They nightkill me, which they are able to do when sending the right person.)

This also works vice-versa, for why the neighbor is town. Were the neighbor pun, I'd expect the pun to have nightkilled Commander Shepherd, to try and collaborate with me. (After all, what's the worst that could happen from a failed collaboration? They nightkill me, which they are able to do when sending the right person.)

Given neither happened, it is then a safe assumption our neighborhood is all-town.

That is a pretty good argument for why I am not scum especially because TBG is a kill I don’t understand here. Like scum don’t kill a cop claim they don’t kill you they don’t kill anyone else. I don’t think they kill Dunn because Maria was a cop then why did scum kill TBG?

Like talk with me about your overarching view of the game. Because where I am at I am confused AF.
Shoshin should be dead yet no one talks about that.

Yet my wagon forms up easily in lylo.

[Commander Shepard]

Had a long work shift destroying reapers.

Will address anything here tomorrow.

[Commander Shepard]

Fire is a bad lynch.

Since Maria is a one shot cop.
Fire being a one shot cop would make complete sense for the counter claim scenario that would ensue.

I am thinking we help Vax bus.

VOTE: Shoshin

[Commander Shepard]

I am shocked.

I didn't even get my night action in.
I am so out of this game.

Notice how he said night action.

Fire is actually the counter to Maria and ergo town.

The main thing is Vax lacks a counter
Punreader is clearly an SK with their limitless BP claim
And Dunn and Esp are made to counter each other and be neg util to take out Fire this making Maria look bad.
In order to balance the relative strength of the power’s mass claim they are balanced by being neg util.

Shoshin being a ranking immune townie reads like a dodge here. “Like oh shit, why didn’t I die?” Versus an actual claim.

[Commander Shepard]

No, let's get full claims. We need to figure this out, we don't need people keeping information to themselves at this point.

Yet ironically never full claimed today til just now.

Excuse me, what’s that smell? Oh it’s just Shoshin’s Bullshit Factory running full tilt

[Commander Shepard]

I also crumbed.

Your point?

[Commander Shepard]

I also crumbed.

Your point?

This is of course assuming that what you say is true.

It’s probably not.

[Commander Shepard]

plenty of reasons to not. why would you? we don't know your role and claiming day 1 without reason is pointless.

It's provable via rankings.

If you’re ranking immune you can’t be proved by rankings.

That is the entire point.

Scum could lie about position you could be a hop to top or just use scum powers

A ranking immune townie does not say this.

[Commander Shepard]

Shepard, why ignore Maria's clear on Vax?

Because I am alive. There is no way he shot me unless

Scum lied about rankings and RB’d Vax
OR
Scum healed me and then healed you the next night making Dunn scum
OR
Pun was roleblocked and Vax is a liar.

Pun roleblocked Vax liar You liar is most probable

After all scum have to have a way to defend against the investigatives. Ranking immune scum and a godfather playing scummy to bait an invest is a pretty good strat

[Commander Shepard]

The point is that everyone could give me 0s and I wouldn't die. And that's provable.

Then why didn’t you advocate for that to save a town life?

I gotta go to work

[Commander Shepard]

Shepard, you're not making any sense.

Any number of things could have happend that caused Vax's role to fail.

Why are you assuming none of those things are probable?

Saying I don’t doesn’t make that true.

And yes I mentioned all you said in my if else

So yeah most probable Vax is gf bussing you and I will take it.

Furthermore if you believe I am scum then why are you trying to convince me Vax is town
With my death everyone will take Vax to lylo and scum win

It’s why you and your buddies are pushing so hard right now without a case.

[Commander Shepard]

Secondly if I was scum I would fucking quickhammer here

But I am town and I know this is likely lylo it’s why I tried to die to prevent this scenario.

[Commander Shepard]

As scum every game I have been lynched in town has lost except boned slots.

[Commander Shepard]

As town on the other hand I never once have been lynched in lylo to my memory.

[Commander Shepard]

And I am pretty sure it is. Scum + SK means that this is indeed lylo. Everyone universally agreed before today Punreader is an SK.

You dropping that because it isn’t convenient?

[Commander Shepard]

Pun is prob sk
Vax is my inno
only 1 of dunn/esp can vig

Hell even if you don’t trust me Trust confirmed town
Punreader is an SK

Thus making this lylo

[Commander Shepard]

Posting to show that I'm online and not quickhammering Shoshin.

Even if your two vote thing is real that would be L-1

[Commander Shepard]

I think Pun is scum, not SK.

1) This is a silly assumption
2) Even if we assume that the point of lylo still stands
Mislynch first kill then Pun Kill then Vax kill
We lose whatever Pun’s alignment if it isn’t town
If we mislynch town cannot fire if they can

[Commander Shepard]

Hottake: Shoshin is SK, Pun is Maf, Vax is town. C.Shep is scum roleblocker which is why Shoshin is voting him.

Why am I wrong? I mean I'm sure I am I just don't know why yet.

Pun is confirmed vig/SK
Shoshin hasn’t claimed any killing abilities
Vax claimed they tried to kill me
I am town who tried to die.

I am not a roleblocker and have both flavor and role name. So if I was lying a rolecop or flavor cop would out me if I was scum.

Your hot take is cold af

[Commander Shepard]

Why does Shoshin not claiming a killing ability mean she is not SK?

Pun is confirmed killing role but I don't see how that removes him from being GF.

That would make Shoshin the world’s worst SK which if that’s the case resolves itself
Confirmed killing as in claimed the extra kill day two and no CC. While she could be a scum vig odds are pretty low that she would claim the shot if scum

[Commander Shepard]

Conditional PGO Redirector Suicider

The flavor associated with it is Equinox being a responsible adult.

Pedit Not without altouting. I have record of punreader with me on one game where they did as punreader. I believe I know who they are but people alt for a reason so I don’t out them.

Conditional PGO Redirector Suicider

The flavor associated with it is Equinox being a responsible adult.

Pedit Not without altouting. I have record of punreader with me on one game where they did as punreader. I believe I know who they are but people alt for a reason so I don’t out them.

Conditional Redirector Suicide Bomber is the official name of the role.

Suicide Bomber is available on the Wiki.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ide_Bomber

Redirector is on the wiki but it’s actually a passive on my suicide bomber.

Conditional is well obvious. It relies on me being shot and the conditions applied as I mentioned.

[Commander Shepard]

Why isn't Pun a scum vig?

Again because scum vigs a) just aren’t a thing
And b) they don’t claim Day one/two
And C) they don’t claim more shots than they have

All three are recipes for suicide if scum vig

[Commander Shepard]

a) contrary to what you're saying, scum killing roles are a thing. And given the ranking mechanics, Pun's claim fits particularly well as scum.

b) Why not? If I were a scum killing role, I'd want to claim the role ASAP instead of hiding it (as most town vigs do).

c) Uh, more shots than they have? I don't follow. Scum lie about things, and they thrive on creating chaos. Why wouldn't they lie about that?

A) They are a thing I have been scum with a scum killing role.
Look at my meta in that game Night and Day and I had a hood
Compare it to here. I assure you Pun is not scum.

B) Yes claim the role as you have it. If Pun was an unlimited scum vig that would A) Be broken and B) Conditional BP and Conditional Vig is broke as shit if one scum role. C) Scum lie yes, scum create chaos yes, but not in ways that can be potentially checked. Especially if Pun truthclaimed because that would be half scums KPN if they die.

[Commander Shepard]

Pun isn't sk because his role doesn't function properly as an sk (can't kill people ranke higher than him)

Vax is the only place I'd say is possible for an sk to be, but there's nothing to suggest that so I'm not paranoid for no reason and they're not mafia

Other people can't be sk because then there's too many killing roles

SK by definition has at least one kill is 3P and goes to end game
Neutral survivor is 3P can scum or townside but has kill.

[Commander Shepard]

Why isn't Pun a scum vig?

Again because scum vigs a) just aren’t a thing
And b) they don’t claim Day one/two
And C) they don’t claim more shots than they have

All three are recipes for suicide if scum vig

They're clearly not "recipes for suicide" since he's still alive.

Punreader is a GOOD player. I have complete faith they are not scum here
SK is most likely because of how powerful their role is compared to all the others.

[Commander Shepard]

potentially 5 mafia

If it’s 5 then it’s the lylo I have been mentioning
If it’s 4 + SK it is still lylo
If it’s 4 + 2 town vigs it’s only not lylo if both vigs don’t shoot if either vig shoots and hits town and we mislynch anyone especially me we lose

[Commander Shepard]

There are only 11 alive

[Commander Shepard]

I'm town.

Vax is town.

I don't know about anyone else.

I'm lost this game.

This is scum that doesn’t want to give up townreads after we lynch her so the next day we’re still stumped

[Commander Shepard]

Good luck.

May the chaos ensue.

My scum team has never lost when I have tried to be lynched or have intentionally died.

I dare you to figure out what I did

Mwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Commander Shepard]

VOTE: Commander Shepard

[Commander Shepard]

I have been trying to die for three days and town couldn’t lynch me.

I am so glad when plans come together

For the Reaper Horde!

[Commander Shepard]

You seem like a bad guy.

I am actually quite nice IRL

But really?

You guys bought Suicide Bomber hahahaha

I was trolling XD

[Commander Shepard]

Is you the maf?

Hmmm what do you think?

I wonder who else I should take with me.

I think this scum team stomps because redirection is amazing along with shot refresh Factional abilities rock

Reality is so fucking sideways

Oh I was indoctrinated in Mass Effect 3. Have you not seen the video?

[Commander Shepard]

He literally just claimed scum

Lol yes. I figured town deserves that consolation when they realize my buddies and I were pumping me up.

Like I redirected every fucking night.

[Commander Shepard]

So I take it no questions?

The Reaper Army will invade. My brethren will win.

I have faith. Go indoctrinate everyone.

[Commander Shepard]

In all seriousness this was fun thanks everyone

Good luck scum and have fun town
And Pun <3 Good luck 3P’s are hard.

[Commander Shepard]

Who are your partners?

Errantparabola Kison xofelf mith my robot army and a Sprite manufacturer

[Commander Shepard]

Oh thanks for telling us. Those guys were pretty deep, didn't even realize they were in the game. Figures Errant would make himself scum along with a bunch of folks who don't show in the player list.

You’re welcome.

Errant is so good he never gets voted

VOTE: Errant
VOTE: Commander Shepard

Indoctrination complete brain reaching state of ...uselessness

The words they enter

They tell me I will go to this place called dead PT soon enough

[Commander Shepard]

If he's scum, I suggest shooting Pun.

Pun was actually a fun 3P to manipulate.

I figured out how she reads me.

Don’t blame her. She loves the truth and I rarely lie.

So the one time in 10+ years I did all out lying. Poor Pun. <3

Post game I will give her all the hugs.

[Commander Shepard]

Activate final moderation on .....(you’ll have to wait and see)

[Commander Shepard]

Guys, I think C.Shep might be maf but this is just a working theory, hear me out tho ok?

Nah I think you’re Krazy.

[Commander Shepard]

I think I was already revealed casually at one point but can't find it now

And it doesn't matter anymore

Or does it?

[Commander Shepard]

Gg all

Sorry for weird claims and amnesia

I don’t claim lightning rod if I knew that but I was just trying to survive