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This game is so easy. Skygazer, Antihero & FrankJaeger are the perpetrators.
VOTE: SkygazerVOTE:
Pretending to counting the stars and not paying attention to what's going on in this room. Well, you are staring at the CEILING!!! Those are SPOTLIGHTS up there. Nice try though.
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Epic fail!
And on my FIRST POST!
VOTE: Skygazer
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Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.
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@ruru: Scum can't claim a TPR bc I rolled ALL TPRs (with the exception of Creature's IC).
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Also, what do you think about my case on Sky? I think it's very convincing and I would appreciate your vote there. Thank you.
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Whoever casts the third vote on Sky gets a free pass from me for the rest of the day!
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Because it's fun.In post 79, skitter30 wrote:@a50 why wagon sky?
And also bc it's good for the game.
Well, it's as good as any other wagon really, but my vote is already there and so is ruru's, so if you want to be our third I'd be obliged. (It's still be L-4 you know, and N_M isn't even in this game if it makes you feel any better)
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Straight to the oval office, I guess!In post 80, Vex Vience wrote:where r u going with this?
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Sky's entrance to the game is alarming. Everything she said so far "could" be interpreted as a mere joke. However -in my experience- joking about lynching the IC always comes from scum. And her last post/joke is even more alarming. I feel like it's been made for the sole purpose of declaring herself as the true traitor. It's as if she took ruru's earlier post about the traitor as an inquiry and is responding to it in fashion.
So,my case on Sky is she is the Traitor
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I don't want you to like me. I just want your vote on Sky for now. Vote now, like me later.In post 99, Vex Vience wrote:currently am hesitant on liking a50
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About the same level of confidence you are Town in this game.In post 106, Vex Vience wrote:how confident are you in sky being the traitor?
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I do, but I'm having a technical problem with my internet speed right now so give me a little time to be able to search and locate at least one.In post 108, Vex Vience wrote:also a50 do u have games where someone joking about lynching ic was scum?
just curious
also wanna hear from sky a bit more
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and how confident are you in that?Almost50 wrote:
About the same level of confidence you are Town in this game.In post 106, Vex Vience wrote:how confident are you in sky being the traitor?
As for my confidence, I dunno what you want. I said you were likely town but it wasn't a solid TR. What's your problem with getting a wagon going anyway and see what happens? Wagons are generally good early on D1. They get people to react faster, they provide reads, and they are a good reference later on. Even you don't buy the case.. even if there is no case to begin with.. just wagon someone to L-2 and see what happens. Hell, if it needs be.. we can run TWO competing wagons at the same time and see who votes which and why.
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Ok, first one that I tripped on (not the one I was looking for, but it'll do). We (myself and Chara as a hydra) were revealed as the IC, and we received 2 votes on page one. NSG wasn't Scum (actually she was the Cop, and sometimes.. just sometimes.. TPRs do some scummy stuff). Elmo was the other vote and she was indeed scum.
But that's NOT my only point. I have 2 other points against Sky now: Her meta and her Traitor claim. I;ve already explained the later. As for her meta, I think skitter (for one) would agree this isn't the way way Sky enters her games as a Townie. She tends to be pushing the game forward from the word go. It'd make my like much easier if you just went to her profile and clicked her topics and took a look on how Town Sky usually enters the game. This is some weird entrance by her to say the least. She's likely the Traitor and she simply didn't know how to play it.
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I don't remember.. have we? I'll probably need to check on that too when my connection works properly.In post 112, skitter30 wrote:a50 have i ever been tvt with you?
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Well, the underlined makes a hell of a difference, doesn't it? What I'm saying is you don'tIn post 124, ruru wrote:Once upon a time, a50 and I played a game where he (as town) scumread the outed ICbecause he wasn't reading the gamejokeabout lynching the IC as town when you'retotally awarethey have been confirmed as the IC, and that it almost always comes from scum who think it's one way to appear "too scummy to be scum".
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In post 142, Skygazer wrote:lied about catching up im just gonna watch avatar tonight instead
OK... I'll trust you, although I'd feel like a fool if this is not the case.
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Explanation: This borders on MADNESS (actually it IS), but Sky added "I'm Town" to her "avatar", and I don't think Scum!her would ever think of THAT to get out of this pickle. After all, it takes someone overly eccentric (like myself) to even try to decipher that post the way I did.
P.S. Just for conformation purposes; could someone please acknowledge the text on Sky's avatar was added recently? I personally do not recall seeing it before, but maybe my mind/memory is playing a trick on me.
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So, it's TRUE!!!!In post 145, Vex Vience wrote:also sky, y change your profile to include "im town" in it?
just now noticed that
Unvote at will, my friend. She made a bad joke, but her way of fixing it is BRILLIANT, and I for one don't want to lynch a player who can think that far out-of-the-box.
P.S. I told you wagoning Sky would prove fruitful.
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Both of my alts are outed to most players I play regularly with. I have been referred to as "AP" in this very game too, so go ahead if you wish to..In post 167, Gamma Emerald wrote:It's a meta read, but I prefer not to give it unless necessary because it involves outing an alt
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No, I didn't. But you seem to have done it.In post 171, Creature wrote:Oh ffs, almost forgot this game
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OK, so substitute Sky with MWNN in my initial Scum team formation and that's game over. Scums are Antihero, ManWithNoName & FrankJaeger. I'm a GENIUS!!
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Well, I haven't checked her other ongoing games and I dunno if she said she'd be watching avatar in them, so I can't return a reliable answer. However, I do think that post had something to do with that avatar edit in this game, and thus more inclined to buy it. After all, if I lose to her because of THAT move I'd still be laughing hard at how cute of a move it was.In post 197, Enigma wrote:Welcome to A50 theories ... true madness, this is why I take them with a grain of salt ahaha
A50, re Sky's avatar do you think she changed it just because of this specific game and the wagon on her (considering she is playing in several other games rn)?
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OK, we agree on 2/3 and you're conf!Town so your reads are a good reference to me.In post 210, Creature wrote:If I go crazy:
01. Almost50
02. HeWhoSwims
03. Skygazer
04. ruru
05. Antihero
06. ManWithNoName
07. Enigma
08. FrankJaeger
09. Creature
10. Gamma Emerald
11. skitter30
12. Vex Vience
VOTE: Antihero
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You think Scum!her (or even Scum!ME) would go that far (speaking in riddles) just to say "I'm Town"?? Come on!In post 212, skitter30 wrote:
i don't get it - why is that townie of her?In post 193, Almost50 wrote:After all, it takes someone overly eccentric (like myself) to even try to decipher that post the way I did.
You need to look at the whole thing: I said it was am eccentric move, so I view it from the PoV of myself making that move, and I don't think that >I< would have thought of THAT -as Scum- to say I'm Town. I might have done it as Town though (admittedly never actually did go that far, but I do speak in riddles and crumb my role is strange ways, so that's what I'm seeing and that's how I'm feeling.
And if I'm wrong it still is funny!
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Like, I want to interfere here yet I don't want to (!!).
OK, people are not reading what ruru said correct, so the back(s) and forth(es) are justified from "their" PoV, but seem a bit ridiculous to me. Let me go fetch the quote.. here it is:
Now let's see.. check the underlined. Is it EOD yet?? I don't think it is, and thus discussing what follows while "ignoring" the condition sounds ridiculous in the first place.In post 147, ruru wrote:If skitter is still scumreading me at eod, correct play is to lynch me and then lynch her, andscum.her is probably aware of that and therefore probably won't try to mislynch me
Then, someone said something about "regardless of the flip" which I fail to find here (maybe it's somewhere else, so please be kind to point it out). As it is, what I got here is "if skitter still fails to that ruru is Townby the end of the day, then ruru will assume skitter is scum and faking a read on her, thus offers herself to be lynched andwhen she flips townto lynch skitter next, because -in ruru's mind- skitter knows her too well to still be SRing her after "what's to come".
However, the bolded tells me ruru isn't that confident skitter is faking at this point. On contrary, she thinks skitter's readat this pointmight be justified, for ruru herself admits she hasn't yet obv!towned. She thus thinks skitter SRingnowis a sugn skitter is Town, but if that read is still thereafter ruru "does her thing" and obv!town(which should be sometime betwee now and EoD, THEN you can all assume one of them is scum for sure and proceed with the "lynch ruru and -if town- lynch skitter" plan.
Now, where did I go wrong? What am I missing??
@skitter: As for you not ever doing what Sky did as either alignment; I 100% believe you. I said >I< would, because I'm that eccentric. You are more of an orthodox player, while I'm the exact opposite. (You know how to obv!town for starters, while if I tried that I end up looking far more scummy than if I deliberately tried to act scummy!!)
So, it's very normal .. very natural to me that you, Enigma and most others would fail to see it my way (regarding what Sky did) for you would have to be me (or someone crazy) to even look at it that way.
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I am. I mean, I have no reads "carved in stone" yet, but I am indeed TRing everyone aside from Antihero/ManWithNoName/FrankJaeger/Gamma Emerald.In post 222, Enigma wrote:A50, you townreading ruru then?
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I'm not quite sure what you expect me to say. If you have an argument you are welcome to use it. I do recall faking a guilty on someone who flipped townie (and I presume that's the game you're referring to) but I don't recall voting a confirmed IC while I was fully aware of their status.In post 228, Gamma Emerald wrote:So you don't choose to respond to my actual read, but the possibility of me outing your alt?
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There's nothing manipulative in his posts so far. His progression feels natural and coincides with what I'd expect from him at this point. Even his reads are more or less close to mine. Why is he a suspect to you?In post 239, skitter30 wrote:do you townread hewhoswims? if so, why?
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I mean, PoE alone leaves me with only 4 suspects, so he's like 75% scum yo me.
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What's to explain, my friend? I said I TR everyone with the exception of Antihero/ManWithNoName/FrankJaeger/Gamma Emerald. Given we have 3 scums over all it follows each of my suspects is 75% likely to flip scum. 3 out of these 4 are the scum team IMHO.In post 260, Vex Vience wrote:explain how u got there plz
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@Vex: There comes the part where I really hate it. You want me to rewrite my whole ISO? I know I -at least- explained the TRs on HWS, Sky, ruru & you. I hinted on the skitter read, but to reiterate I know her well enough to notice if she's being manipulative or withdrawn and she's not. Enigma is also posting in a townie manner .. like how am I supposed to explain what "posting in a townie matter" means?
Gamma hasn't given me that Town vibe just yet, but he hasn't obv!Scummed either, so he's more of "backup" candidate for scum, but I treated him as an equal to the other 3 to be fair to them.
Now what exactly is townie in any of Anti/Frank/MWNN's ISOs? The latter is a strong scum lean for the very fact you would null read him: NO CONTENT. I know he can do MUCH better than this if he wanted to.
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I think my brain is turned off. Would you kindly rephrase that?In post 270, Vex Vience wrote:also @a50, only use latter for two people
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It's hard to explain, but he usually does "something" even when he has no time to play. He just won't "abandon" the game totally.In post 273, skitter30 wrote:why are you scumreading him for lack of content ....?
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Well, would it make a difference if I saidmy vote in on Antiheroand not on MWNN anyway? It's not like I'm calling for his lynch today FGS.
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@Vex: I am not going to do your job for you, mate. I presume you know how to do a search, so you go search MWNN's games and mine. I do my fair share of searches when >I< want to verify something, so please do yours. Thank you
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Because the game is slowing down and I don't want to fall into apathy so I decided to pick a fight. Do you want to fight with me?In post 290, skitter30 wrote:i'm not entirely sure why you won't source this ...
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You're not thinking straight and are letting "local events" affect your "global read" on me. That said, I'll try to point you to the right direction: Why would scum!me SR specifically 4 people and TR everyone else? Does it not "limit" my space to maneuver that I TR as many people? The space you are well aware I need to get both my "mis"lynches and my NKs through?? And why would scum!me be trying to intimidate a TOWN READ on mine? Am I trying to pocket him or alienate him here?? Finally, why would I be voicing my suspicions of MWNN when I know for a fact he can't be lynched on D1 (or at least not at this point of the day), given that the site meta is against lynching lurkers and especially so when they've declared V/LA?? You try to think of a scum motive for me to be doing all this, and then IF you find one you'd be more than welcome to reevaluate your initial read on me.In post 294, skitter30 wrote:this is a dumb thing to pick a fight about, no offense
all it does is make me wonder if this is an actual thing or if you made it up
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Is it my smell?In post 295, Vex Vience wrote:tbh you just trying to pick a fight on this makes me not want to anymore only bc it seems like its just a waste of time if its worth picking a fight over
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I was talking about Vex. I said he was a TR of mine, yet I appear to be teasing him. If I'm scum I can either be trying to pocket him (with the TR) or alienate him (with the intimidation) but not both. If I wanted to pocket him then I wouldn't try to bug him, and if my purpose was to bug him then why the TR?In post 300, skitter30 wrote:italics - idk who this is referring to
Also, you do realize I'm now the prime target for a Vig shot? In fact, here's a list of all possible TPRs in this setup:
- Goon Cop: Probably gonna check me, but maybe scum!me picked a modifier
- Roleblocker: Probably will consider targeting me, bit maybe I don't do the NK tonight
Hint: If scum picked no modifier it's one or the other, and if it's a Goon Cop I'm doomed. If they did pick at least one modifier then both could be applicable and I've just wasted my N1 action
- Tracker: Similar to RB (i.e. I won't be the one carrying the NK tonight)
- Bodyguard: I sure as hell am not going to be protected by them anyway. Not with an IC in play.
- Vigilante: Check the start of this post. Anyone who might not be sure what I'm doing will probably just "do it"
Now think about me being the Traitor: Vig shooting me and me not dying is a red herring. They may assume they were RB'd on N1 so that saves me from the lynch, but then they're sure to try again on N2, and if I don't die I'm going to be lynched on D3 regardless.
Now, reread and recalculate.. does SCUM!ALMOST50 know all this, and still do what he is doing?? Why would scum!me bebaiting the Vig shotat all????
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The "lynch me first and when I flip town lynch skitter" debacle.In post 311, Vex Vience wrote:u claim to have explained ruru's tr, yet i dont see it anywhere
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I never played on ToSIn post 311, Vex Vience wrote:idl the whole vfr thing, (vote for roles, it comes from town of salem where everyone votes up someone just to get them to claim).
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You're misunderstanding. You even bolded what I said. I said L-2, and nobody claims @L-2. The competing wagons though show who votes whom and why. Later on we can reference that and look for clues. Check the last game on my wiki. We had a guilty on D2, and instead if lynching Toranaga (the guilty) I suggested we lynch their p, purely based on a voting pattern. I also Town cased Egg for voting a wagon on D1 and refusing to vote the other. Fortunately I earned the support and trust of the town and we did just that.. lynched the "other" Mafioso, and then the guiltied surrendered overnight. I do take VCA into consideration, and it helps me lots (I guess now it won't in this game because I said so explicitly, but I have other means if scum hunting, so no biggie)In post 311, Vex Vience wrote:a50 trying to vfr (or at least suggesting we should) feels very off to me
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because I want the fight to go a certain route and my forecast of your responses won't serve said goal.In post 314, Gamma Emerald wrote:
why not fight with meIn post 293, Almost50 wrote:
Because the game is slowing down and I don't want to fall into apathy so I decided to pick a fight. Do you want to fight with me?In post 290, skitter30 wrote:i'm not entirely sure why you won't source this ...
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I know the game but I;m not sure I want to check back, Anyway, I am "AP" and I am "Judge Joseph Dredd" (I believe the latter is the one in question?)In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think that one is? He can tell me whether it is, he should know which game I'm talking about. I'm going to drop a name from the game, he should be able to locate it with that.
P.S. I used "latter" correctly!
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GOOD EXPLANATION! BP indeed is unaffected by all TPRs except the Tracker. Well done!In post 322, Vex Vience wrote:Because you took BP.
So, with the knowledge that I'm indeed the BP Mafioso, how about you reread my ISO and find my teammates. I gave you a big head start and you should be thanking me for it.
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I think I'll take the 5th on this one.In post 324, Vex Vience wrote:why is town!you trying to bait vig shot as well?
Somebody get this guy a copy of the Bill of Rights
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skitterl it's a GOON COP. It only returns a guilty on GOONS (Vanilla Mafia). A Mafioso with ANY modifier would return an innocent to the GOON Cop.In post 326, Vex Vience wrote:no godfather mod for scum to take
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Town starts with only 2 TPRs and gain one for each modifier the Mafia picks. If Mafia picked no modifiers we have only 2 TPRs and one is the IC, so we can only have a Goon Cop OR a Roleblocker (or neither) but not both.In post 339, skitter30 wrote:i don't understand the bolded
So, assuming no modifiers then I'm a GOON, so the Goon Cop can guilty me if they check me.
On the other hand I may have opted to pick a modifier to avoid that, but then the RB will stop me from doing whatever the modifier is supposed to do (except the BP as Vex pointed out). I was thinking of Role Cop and/or JOAT tbh. An active ability in other words. Recruiting the Traitor and/or activating Daytalk doesn't really change my status as a goon. I just missed the BP part (which iirc is a very good pick for scum if they decide to pick just one modifier, so keep that in mind for when we -hopefully- roll scum together in this setup sometime in the future).
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And you think I do things and THEN realize the consequences of them?? Really????In post 339, skitter30 wrote:ike i don't know if this is something you kinda planned so much as realized after the fact, if that makes sense
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Ah-ha!In post 340, skitter30 wrote:
wait this is you ???In post 338, Almost50 wrote:
I know the game but I;m not sure I want to check back, Anyway, I am "AP" andIn post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think that one is? He can tell me whether it is, he should know which game I'm talking about. I'm going to drop a name from the game, he should be able to locate it with that.I am "Judge Joseph Dredd" (I believe the latter is the one in question?)
P.S. I used "latter" correctly!
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So am I! I don't know why anyone would think of shooting me tbh. I probably am just paranoid and overreacting iirc.In post 343, ruru wrote:I'm confused
So, who should the Vig be targeting tonight in your view?
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Don't put all your eggs in one basket, my friend. Make that 90% for your own sake. 80% would make it look even better, while 50% makes you look confused (in a justified way), gets the job done and saves you the headache of the aftermath.In post 351, Vex Vience wrote:coupling this with the case im making on him, i'm 99.9% sure a50 is scum
You know what looks even more scummy? THIS:
VOTE: A50
And YES, I have self-voted before as BOTH alignments, and I have even hammered myself as Town on D1 to make a point. We WON that game too!! (I don't remember is it was under AP or JJD though).
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And why the freak would I want to be bussed on D1? What about the modifiers we picked?In post 354, skitter30 wrote:i'm not entirely sure how i feel about a50 right now
my gut's kinda telling me he doesn't really act like this as scum unless he was trying to get bussed or somethiing
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My advice is to just assume I'm Town (and you'd be correct ) and let it be.In post 355, skitter30 wrote:or trying to get vigged as bp but i don't know why scum would like aim for that ...
he could be traitor signaling to groupscum maybe?
like unless he had some sort of ulterior motive that i'm not entirely seeing right now i don't think this is how he really plays scum
tbf i don't really follow of his moonlogic or follow it so it's possible he does have some sort motive/plan that i don't really see here
Also, nobody needs booze or grass to have a good time. All you need to do is put yourself in the mood for having fun, let loose and you will have your fun without ingesting any harmful stuff.
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Why do you think I'm baiting the Vig shot at all? What gave you the impression that I am?? HOW DO YOU KNOW there is a Vig in the first place?In post 358, Vex Vience wrote:why would town!a50 try to bait vigi shot into him in the first place?
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Like, I simply mentioned POSSIBILITIES, and everybody seems to have just "accepted" there is a Vig in play. How about the RB? What about the Goon Cop? Why not the Tracker????
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Why would MAFIA shoot a SCUMMY person they can easily lynch????????In post 358, Vex Vience wrote:he can try to act scummy and bait mafia kill into him
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Hello, Eragon. Is that you? "It's his fault anyway, because I'm never wrong!"In post 358, Vex Vience wrote:couple that with the fact that he's refusing to answer my questions
And when did I become the center of your universe? Do you realize your one and only obsession has become A50? Are you not looking for 3 scums? Are you not interested in sorting anyone else???
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TWO. With 2 Goons and a Traitor the Town gets 2 random PRsIn post 359, skitter30 wrote:doesn't town start with 3tprs?
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You reminded me with your first game with me. I was pushed as what?? EXACTLY! So, you might as well take that into consideration and rule out the Traitor possibility, because when someone thinks I'm signalling being the Traitor chances are I'm signalling something totally different.In post 363, skitter30 wrote:but if he's traitor signalling ... he's doing a pretty bad job of it and he thinks he just made himself a vig target so why isn't he modulating his behavior here?
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I mentioned the possibility and little did I know that it will become a fad, and now everybody's taking it for a fact thatIn post 364, Gamma Emerald wrote:Can someone point me to the start of this vig talk?there isa Vig in play.
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