Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Enigma]

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[Vex Vience]

Epic fail!
And on my FIRST POST!

VOTE: Skygazer

this is obvscum plz lynch this
only scum fail on their first post

[skitter30]

it gave me sth to do for a bit to kill time
from my math, joat counters three townprs so why wouldnt scum take joat? (bg, rber, tracker)
daytalk is also universally good hence why not take it?

aside, are you an alt? (feel free to ignore this if you like!)

scum don't know what powers town are going to get and joat is useless against many of them; 1s ninja is useless if tracker isn't in the game, even then it's only worth one shot. 1s strongman is good against bg; i don't know how strongman and rb interact but again it's only one shot while town is given full tracker/bg/rb

(well i suppose to be fair it's good against goon cop)

on balnace i don't think it's worth it for scum to take prs when they don't know which prs town will get or how those prs stack up against scum's prs

like i think any 4 of {tracker/bg/ic/rb/vig/goon cop} is kinda weak against scum joat from a scum perspective, as is 5 of the town prs against joat + daytalk

the only scum modification that i think is kinda worth giving town more prs as scum is daytalk and that's like the only one i'd take i think as scum

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THIS IS STUPID

kinda townie reaction imo

@vex: town!creature is very, very, very easy to identify most of the time

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VOTE: Creature

I've seen an accidental lolhammer on an IC that has yet to be revealed, can we make history and accidentally lynch an outed IC?

i know that you probably meant this in jest and that it's rvs but i think this is slightly more likely to come from scum tbh

[skitter30]

(i think i just provoked a speech from a50 where he explains to me why i'm looking at the setup wrong)

[Vex Vience]

it gave me sth to do for a bit to kill time
from my math, joat counters three townprs so why wouldnt scum take joat? (bg, rber, tracker)
daytalk is also universally good hence why not take it?

aside, are you an alt? (feel free to ignore this if you like!)

scum don't know what powers town are going to get and joat is useless against many of them; 1s ninja is useless if tracker isn't in the game, even then it's only worth one shot. 1s strongman is good against bg; i don't know how strongman and rb interact but again it's only one shot while town is given full tracker/bg/rb

(well i suppose to be fair it's good against goon cop)

on balnace i don't think it's worth it for scum to take prs when they don't know which prs town will get or how those prs stack up against scum's prs

like i think any 4 of {tracker/bg/ic/rb/vig/goon cop} is kinda weak against scum joat from a scum perspective, as is 5 of the town prs against joat + daytalk

the only scum modification that i think is kinda worth giving town more prs as scum is daytalk and that's like the only one i'd take i think as scum

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THIS IS STUPID

kinda townie reaction imo

@vex: town!creature is very, very, very easy to identify most of the time

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VOTE: Creature

I've seen an accidental lolhammer on an IC that has yet to be revealed, can we make history and accidentally lynch an outed IC?

i know that you probably meant this in jest and that it's rvs but i think this is slightly more likely to come from scum tbh

to answer ur points:
if i do say im an alt, what does that mean for u?
out of 6 prs, joat counters 3 of them: tracker because ninja, bg and rber because strongman, (strongman ignores bg and rber)
also i do agree that daytalk is something scum will 100% take however i feel that joat may be a very close second pick
i dont think scum would wanna take bp or recruit traitor because with 3 modifiers, the odds of vig appearing is 47%, basically a coinflip, and regardless its a useless modifier
vig just outs themselves once they hit a bp and then the bp mafia goon flips
sure if theres an rber that could fuck things up a bit but thats so unlikely that its negliable

[Vex Vience]

also about town!creature that was my thought based on gamma's reaction

[Skygazer]

i know that you probably meant this in jest and that it's rvs but i think this is slightly more likely to come from scum tbh

yet you don't opt to end rvs by voting me?

[Vex Vience]

also to expand on why i dont think maf would recruit traitor:
it puts them down a mod first off, plus if theres no vig (and they took two mods), they can instantly tell if they hit the traitor barring any rber fucking with their results
traitor is 1s bp, and if the person they hit didnt die and they know they werent rb'd, they know instantly who the traitor is
i could see scum taking it as a third mod if they really really wanted it, but other than that, i highly doubt they wouldve recruited traitor

[Vex Vience]

i think scum were very likely to take:
daytalk, joat and rolecop if they took three
i don't think they did, and im 100% sure they did take daytalk meaning for me its between {joat/rc} for scum second mod

[Enigma]

I've learnt my lesson about setup spec D1 in such set ups ...
Tbh you can look at past games run with this set up and you'll see that the picks wildly differ

[Vex Vience]

yes thats a given fact that no two times will scum pick exactly the same thing but its a good starting point to try to figure out what we could be dealing with
ill take a look at the picks in a min

[skitter30]

if i do say im an alt, what does that mean for u?

whether or not i ought to view you as a new player or not

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out of 6 prs, joat counters 3 of them: tracker because ninja, bg and rber because strongman, (strongman ignores bg and rber)

ye but joat is only two shot and tracker/bg/rb can still affect that scum member after those shots are up, or if they didn't use the shots on the correct night

on balance i don't think it's worth it to give town more prs

also i do agree that daytalk is something scum will 100% take however i feel that joat may be a very close second pick

scum didn't take daytalk in the last two iterations of this setup (i don't know what happened before that)

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i know that you probably meant this in jest and that it's rvs but i think this is slightly more likely to come from scum tbh

yet you don't opt to end rvs by voting me?

i mean, i think we're out of rvs at this point

why should i have voted you there?

[Almost50]

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

[Vex Vience]

if i do say im an alt, what does that mean for u?

whether or not i ought to view you as a new player or not

yes, i am an alt
not telling u who my main is tho

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out of 6 prs, joat counters 3 of them: tracker because ninja, bg and rber because strongman, (strongman ignores bg and rber)

ye but joat is only two shot and tracker/bg/rb can still affect that scum member after those shots are up, or if they didn't use the shots on the correct night

on balance i don't think it's worth it to give town more prs

touche

also i do agree that daytalk is something scum will 100% take however i feel that joat may be a very close second pick

scum didn't take daytalk in the last two iterations of this setup (i don't know what happened before that)

daytalk hasnt been taken at all by my count

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i know that you probably meant this in jest and that it's rvs but i think this is slightly more likely to come from scum tbh

yet you don't opt to end rvs by voting me?

i mean, i think we're out of rvs at this point

why should i have voted you there?

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I've learnt my lesson about setup spec D1 in such set ups ...
Tbh you can look at past games run with this set up and you'll see that the picks wildly differ

between all 15 games:
bp: 0 times
rc: 8 times
joat: 6 times
daytalk: 0 times
recruit traitor: 5 times
games with no mods picked: 2 or 3, didn't keep count of those

[Vex Vience]

its also really helpful when mods post the endgame link in the op

[skitter30]

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

yeah i agree overall

[Enigma]

Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.

What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.

[Vex Vience]

looking at joat again:
if im rber/tracker and whoever i rb/track doesnt appear im not gonna try rbing/tracking them a second night
id just assume theyre vt not joat because rbing/tracking them a second night would be a waste right?
if i suspect them as scum whats stopping the other scumbuddy from preforming the kill, the one

not

being targeted?

[Vex Vience]

Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.

What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.

roughly about 1.2 mods/game
which is quite interesting in general
if im scum id wanna take around two mods not one

[Enigma]

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

yeah i agree overall

Even considering that he’s an alt?

[Skygazer]

i mean, i think we're out of rvs at this point

why should i have voted you there?

Because from your point of view I'm more likely to be scum than ruru at the moment

[skitter30]

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

yeah i agree overall

Even considering that he’s an alt?

i don't know who he's an alt of, but i think his mindset has been pro-town for this stage of the game

i mean, i think we're out of rvs at this point

why should i have voted you there?

Because from your point of view I'm more likely to be scum than ruru at the moment

i think ruru is probably one of the easier people to sort in this playerlist and i think that applying pressure to her will help with that endeavor

[Vex Vience]

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

yeah i agree overall

Even considering that he’s an alt?

y would me being an alt change people tring me?

[Enigma]

It’s likely that you might have experience with such setups. I’m pretty meh towards early reads anyways

[HeWhoSwims]

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

Agree with this. But I do think setup spec isn't too relevant at this point, it's wildly guessing and even if we were to agree on the number of PRs we wouldn't do anything with it for a while.


@Vex Because if you would be a new player we could read bad reasoning as newbie reasoning