Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[MariaR]

This game boils down to

(Okay X Y Z is claiming to have a gun so some scum has to be there if we find it the others are clear)

(There's also scum in A B C so if we lynch there the rest are clear)

[MariaR]

You think we have a cop and a doctor to help with that?

[MariaR]

I wish I was scum with how slow half the people in this town are eeee

[MariaR]

I know I'm town at most I live for one more day

actually, rather than tell you you're wrong, just ask mariar to explain what this part meant

If I'm scum I live for at most one more day yes? So you're just going to openly mislynch me instead of going for at least one other scum out there.
From my point of few Kat is fake claiming because for some reason he dislikes me enough to outright spite fake claim a guilty on my slot that's pretty low I left for a day to consider...well no comment.

The point here is even if you think I'm scum lynching outside me is better regardless

[MariaR]

You're basically valuing a kill with a mislynch and the value is the same

[MariaR]

Do what you wish I'm honestly drained and don't really care for the outcome of this game due to the events that happened.

[MariaR]

can't wait for the OOF ate post.

If you want my final reads I'll happily give them

[MariaR]

I'm not in any hoods

[MariaR]

IF cupcake is fake-claiming, it has nothing to do with spite

I honestly thought he was fake claiming because he just wanted me out of the game so I took a break from the thread

[MariaR]

Well that's not what I thought at the time but it seems he's gonna keep this up until the end.

[MariaR]

Vanilla town.

[MariaR]

Flavor is Sakura iro no yume

[MariaR]

So kat really did fake claim a guilty just to get me out of the game. Alright I don't know what I did to be so unenjoyable to do that but I'm sorry to anyone that I upset this game because that was never my goal to upset anyone. I just wanted to play mafia like the rest of yall. I'll try to get back in this game but the whole thing with Kat sucked my energy coming into this and that sucks cause fg games are my fav if you got questions please ask I like having back and forths and it'll help me. I'm prob going to join the prof wagon but I'm taking a bit to recollect

[MariaR]

I honestly thought he was fake claiming because he just wanted me out of the game so I took a break from the thread

I have a REALLY hard time believing Maria actually felt that way

Especially when she's seen how Katsuki interacted with Dunnstral who he genuinely seems to dislike

How can I believe anything but this when I know I'm town and Kat is claiming a god dam guilty on me and not retracting it?

[MariaR]

I don't want to make the game unfun for anyone because that's what mafia is. For fun but just blah

[MariaR]

Alright I don't know what I did to be so unenjoyable to do that but I'm sorry to anyone that I upset this game because that was never my goal to upset anyone.

Disclaimer that i dont think you're unenjoyable I just think you're scum

That's totally fine

[MariaR]

We need everyone to claim if they have guns or not and then we check and conf said result. Can we get a list going?

[MariaR]

Prof friday's iso along with how ank's been playing feels strongly like scum trying to take advantage of a result gone wrong and when I flip town he turns on Katsuki or playing clueless the only question is he's not a main character and with the poisoner likely being a main char it's ???

[MariaR]

Kokichi's flip on me is super super sus and I would most likely lynch him today if I had my chance in gunsmiths

[MariaR]

He went from saying "Maria is prob town" To saying "I wouldn't mind Maria flipping" after the guilty was shown fake it makes me think he wanted cred by calling me town while the others lynched me. Perhaps Prof friday is town and Kokichi was gonna line up his lynch for after my flip?

[MariaR]

Kokichi's flip on me is super super sus and I would most likely lynch him today if I had my chance in gunsmiths

You should be a comedian

Hammer me then.

[MariaR]

Dunn honestly you're the only one who knows the answer and they're gonna call you bias.
It's draining and it's shitty I really don't mind I can try my style a dif game

[MariaR]

Kokichi's a person that has had accuracy reading MariaR

, i do think tho that finding the poisoner is very important coz it increases the KPN in favor of scum.

This is so wrong LOL Kokichi scumreads me every game

[MariaR]

unvote me ty moment at least for now

[MariaR]

theoretically yes

[MariaR]

Kokichi's a person that has had accuracy reading MariaR

, i do think tho that finding the poisoner is very important coz it increases the KPN in favor of scum.

This is so wrong LOL Kokichi scumreads me every game

This isn't true. Sometimes I might say it to get a reaction out of you though. Unless I'm like leading on you, I don't scumread you. Figured you knew this by now.

The last game I remember you not auto scumreading me was the mini clown game. I srsly can't not remember another game. If you want to prove me wrong by all means.

[MariaR]

I'd also like to see this

[MariaR]

Sure. I think I'll be doing this in pieces, both because I've been feeling less verbose lately and because I think it'll just be easier to digest.

It began back with her strange focus on Nancy Drew early in the game.

Spoiler: Pocketing?

And while I'm on the subject of voicing perhaps somewhat far-fetched concerns, I think MariaR may have been trying (is still trying to?) pocket Nancy Drew. I first noticed it upon my first readthrough of the thread where it seemed like much of what Maria was saying was engaging with Nancy. When I put it like that it doesn't sound so bad - especially as Ms. Drew is quite the content producer - but I think that reviewing Maria's ISO may help illustrate my point for anyone interested.

To give a few quotes to illustrate my point:

I have nancy as town
my dunnstral read

and that's it.

Who else are you looking at nancy

I believe it was these two quotes that first caused me to realize this while reading through. Something about the singularity of the read as well as the question made it look to me like Maria had the goal of tying to get Nancy to strongly townread her; anyone who played in or has read Minuet's Trio (or, I assume, other games with Nancy) should realize that it's not much of a difficult task.

I decided not to bring this up initially in order to observe if the pattern of behavior would continue, and I think that it did with this quote:

Nancy Drew is pretty transparent town like it almost hurts
Wouldn't you agree @MeowriaR

I sure would.

The lack of response to anything between this post and the last post in Maria's ISO "pings" me in a way that I find hard to describe. Perhaps that goes back to what I was thinking about earlier.


Any thoughts?

I don't think that a town player typically devotes time to getting someone else in specific to townread them instead of trying to find scum, no. I also don't think that's an unreasonable position to take.

No buddying and pocketing is 2 dif things. I was trying to buddy Nancy and get ideas off her because I townread her. If she townreads me great that's a bonus but Nancy isn't a player that town reading me or scumreading me would make me perk my brow unlike someone like maybe Dunn or Kokichi

Hm, I think that's pretty transparently false, as a look at your ISOs show. You only ever asked a single question to her: the nonspecific "Who else are you looking at", which was never followed up on. Yes, you

talked

to her, but in my view more of your content was about making a show of interacting with her and having a strong townread on her in order to pocket her.

Like I pointed out earlier, I think a post like this doesn't come from someone who just wants to "bounce ideas off of someone"; I think it comes from someone who wants to make a show of their read. (Especially as considering the timing between this post and the last in your ISO and the content ignored between those two posts; for someone who claims to have wanted to get ideas from her, you certainly ignored a lot of what she posted)

Nancy Drew is pretty transparent town like it almost hurts
Wouldn't you agree @MeowriaR

I sure would.

But of course, I don't expect to convince you that you're scum; what's important is what other people think. So: thoughts, anyone?

I still don't think it's true that Maria was trying to bounce ideas off of Nancy or anything of the sort. Also, looking back, I have to wonder; why Nancy in specific? I would imagine there would be other people in this game that Maria could have asked to get ideas off of; people she may have more history with.

We have never played together before. I see your point. Kokichi asking me a very similar type of question, makes way more sense based on this.

Because I townread Nancy it has nothing to do with who I know and who I don't know you're missing the point it isn't about who I'm familer with it's who I trust. And I trusted Nancy

[MariaR]

If I was going to pocket someone I would pocket someone that's easy to pocket.

[MariaR]

You're using the logic of pocketing why would I pocket someone I don't know compared to someone I do. It doesn't make sense at all

[MariaR]

"I have no reason to interact with a mylo wagon"
Okay first before I answer that. What do you think is a reason to interact with a wagon in a game of mafia.

[MariaR]

If I was going to pocket someone I would pocket someone that's easy to pocket.

Actually, what makes you think Nancy Drew is hard to pocket? I'm not debating whether or not she is, I just want to know what makes you think that she is.

There are easier people to pocket IE people I know how to play around

[MariaR]

evil cackle

[MariaR]

I'm freezing my ass off rn

[MariaR]

Considering how Poisoner increases scum KPN, then poisoner should be the scum's main character, hence why the flavor claims.

Absolutely not.

This is really false.

Scum are likely Kokichi and Sakura

You’re welcome

can see this

Well that's as close to a scum claim as it gets, considering it wasnt even me who suggested some sort of flavor claiming, I just figured out the why due to how these games usually have 2 town MCs and 1 scum MC.

I am a main character and town.

Your theory is based on giving people what they want versus what they need.

My flavor is partially in the first post

oh

[MariaR]

Leashing the poison doesn't sound like a bad idea but if math poisons scum can't scum just fake claim they weren't poisoned.

[MariaR]

Well, a roleblocker is dead so math has no excuse.

[MariaR]

they will still die so doesnt matter @maria

oh you're right I'm dumb

[MariaR]

I don't see why scum math claims there when we were lynching me then Prof plus we can leash the poison.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Sakura

[MariaR]

I need to think of a "if math is a town main char and scum knew main chars were all town they'd obv push the angle to lynch it right so who's doing that."

Brian Skies, who was Alice, and Town Main Character - Non-Consecutive Night Doctor, has been killed in Night 2.

Quite interesting that Brian is Non consec Doc, but Math is an odd night poisoner.

In any case:
Minuet's Trio: 1 scum MC, 2 Town MC.
Queen of Hearts: 1 scum Alice, 2 Town Alices.
Nightingale's Tale: 1 scum Alice, 2 Town Alices.
Through the Looking Glass: 1 scum Alice, 2 Town Alices.

By virtue of the Alices/MCs in games they are the strongest PRs, so for balance one needs to be scum and two town or either side is gonna be overpowered.

I do NOT believe for a second that Math is a town MC.

[MariaR]

Math sure doesn't feel like scum.

[MariaR]

Plus if they are. They're locked into a claim where we can leash them right? I see no down side

[MariaR]

If there is I bet you it's a scum one.

[MariaR]

Sakura's pushes don't make sense as town but make plenty of sense as scum. There's always an excuse in her votes. "Cop guilty" "you're still scum even if I can't read you" "I don't think Math is town mc" always an excuse lined up with the reason
Pedit: How if you believe math that means scum are 2 non main characters.
Also if you believe math we're in the same spot as before

[MariaR]

For me to be scum i'd have to be a poisoner, so you'd have to believe I poisoned Katsuki over muffin.

And
Pedit: Why aren't you voting math then

[MariaR]

I believe you're a main that's why im lynching you.

my point is proven

[MariaR]

For the record, if you think of setup balance there is no current way to find Poisoner as is right now. Only way would be for scum poisoner to be a main character and being count down (considering Kat's cop ability was very bad as he said)

Yes because in a 3v14 scum game we should have a definite way to find scum!

[MariaR]

For the record, if you think of setup balance there is no current way to find Poisoner as is right now. Only way would be for scum poisoner to be a main character and being count down (considering Kat's cop ability was very bad as he said)

Yes because in a 3v14 scum game we should have a definite way to find scum!

You mean like the Tracker Watcher from Minuet's Trio?

Oh and the weak friendly neighbor from the same game too!

yes exactly and you don't think fakegod went "hey hang on that was a bit op" let's nerf that a little!

[MariaR]

yes exactly and you don't think fakegod went "hey hang on that was a bit op" let's nerf that a little!

yeah the MCs have been nerfed i dont think the town:scum MC ratio was changed tho. since MCs are STILL the strongest PRs.

I don't see what's so wrong in leashing math. We've played a game where there were 3 alice town pr's before (masons yes)

[MariaR]

I don't see what's so wrong in leashing math. We've played a game where there were 3 alice town pr's before (masons yes)

Really? Which one? Daughters isnt Alice game you know.

oh you're right

[MariaR]

Idk guys I feel like having leashed killing power is pretty good to me I like having more than 1 lynch where if math is scum has to poison someone of our choosing but sure go nuts

[MariaR]

Idk guys I feel like having leashed killing power is pretty good to me I like having more than 1 lynch where if math is scum has to poison someone of our choosing but sure go nuts

Remember the argument i made when i thought you were the scum poisoner.
It's literally just letting a scum slot live so they can do a 2x kill again.

The dif is we pick who said kill is because whoever we're picking we assume we'd have lynched at one point so it saves us a lynch and gives mafia less choices of night kill and poe.

[MariaR]

You know this game is scary when you're agreeing with wisdom most of all.

[MariaR]

scum had a vig
town had a vig

what's to say poisoner can't be the same thing if we're assuming scum in gunsmiths

[MariaR]

No it's just assumed because most of the times MC's have been op compared to other roles

[MariaR]

scum had a vig
town had a vig

what's to say poisoner can't be the same thing if we're assuming scum in gunsmiths

they werent MC.
If you agree that Poisoner is something MC level (which should be if you believe Math), then there's no way there's another poisoner, which means pmatt poisoned Katsuki.

Perhaps scum have a x-shot poisoner? That'd make sense

[MariaR]

VoteCount 2.14

Wisdom [1] - Kokichi Oma

TehBrawlGuy [9] - zMuffinMan, Brian Skies, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Sakura Hana, Spiffeh, Nosferatu, Prof Fridays, TehBrawlGuy [LYNCH]

zMuffinMan [3] - MariaR, projectmatt, Nancy Drew 39
Prof Fridays [4] - Dunnstral x2, Moment, Wisdom

Not Voting [0]

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With 16 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-08-04 15:00:00)

N2 cross wagon simple cross reference:

Myloninja13 [9] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Wisdom, zMuffinMan [LYNCH]

Overlap is Muffin,Brian, Purr, Sakura, Spiffeh, Katsuki, Nos

Brian is dead, Purr is spewed, Muffin was spewed. Spiffeh spewed.

Means the only scum on the wagon possible is Sakura or Nos.

However due to the fact that TBG had to hammer himself the scum is almost positively Sakura.

I was around to hammer but Brawl asked to do it himself

[MariaR]

Nancy Drew.
That translates to: "I have a high win rate as scum so you scumreading me means im town"

hey this seems familiar

[MariaR]

The Game Breaking Strategy

The scum poisoner is absolutely even night. With my lynch today, you're going to have to lynch the poisoner tomorrow. Anyone claimed with a gun IS OFF LIMITS tomorrow. I don't fucking care if the mod tells you it's a guilty. You say the guilty and lynch in the no gun claimants.

Now once the poisoner flips, and I'm 95% sure it's Sakura, then the rest of the no gun claimants become very likely town.
Why does this work? Why do we assume there is one scum in the gunsmiths and one scum outside?
Because with an all three town MC scum would have to have a way to find out the PRs. A gunsmith provides the fake/real claim for them and gives them cover while finding two but not three of the PRs.
If you disagree with me on Sakura, you absolutely lynch in the no guns for the confirmed towns it provides and for the removed kill every other night. Scum are then forced to kill the non gun claimants and hunt within the guns. If and only if a no gun claimant reaches lylo do you consider it.

Spewed Town

AKA do not lynch unless something has gone horribly wrong

Spiffeh, Muffin, Purr, MariaR,Nos, Prof Fridays

Spoiler: why

Spiffeh because mylo talked about them. They couldn't fake analysis on everyone so when scum do that it's almost certainly on town rather than highlight a buddy. (There are a few exceptions to this but more often than not when they talk about one player only it's town especially with a day one lurker)

Muffin is spewed town because of VCA. MariaR is likely town (but not quite confirmed). Purr is spewed town based on VCA + gunsmith claims.

Based on the wagons day one and two for the above people for VCA.

Building upon that we have

viewtopic.php?p=10380481#p10380481
MariaR brought up to L-1.

Due to the sheer speed and rapidness of the wagon combined with the likely spew before makes MariaR spewed town.
The only people not spewed or confirmed are {Sakura,Moment,Prof Fridays, Nos, Wisdom}

This group of four again has to have at least scum in it. Let's see if we can find some spew.
Now let's compare and see who they were on in the previous wagon link
Moment/Wisdom -- Prof Fridays
Nos -- TBG
Sakura -- TBG
Prof Fridays -- TBG

The only possible pairings if both scum are on is
Sakura&Moment
Sakura&Nos
Sakura&Wisdom
OR
Prof&Moment
Prof&Nos
Prof&Wisdom

viewtopic.php?p=10368680#p10368680 Nos is spewed town from this post. Because the only scum motivation he would have to pick TBG over MariaR is to save a buddy. Otherwise Nos doesn't give two shits and lets the wagons stay where they are.
Therefore Sakura is the confirmed scum from the other wagon.

This therefore eliminates Professor Fridays. If Sakura flips green by weird fluke of nature, THEN and only then can you consider lynching Prof Fridays.

Then there's 3614 from Sakura which proclaims the slot as poisoner. In that case why did you ever unvote hmmm? Someone else could have easily. The simple answer is she believed the VT claim from MariaR.

Tell me math is still scum I'll wait

[MariaR]

ooo la la.

[MariaR]

Can I get a list of every gunsmith and every non gunsmith in 2 dif lists ty

[MariaR]

well give it a 21st loser.

[MariaR]

I dunno, I kinda wanna kill all of everyone who thought Math was town yesterday, aside from Wisdom.
Or die trying.

Who was that? Me Purr Prof and Wisdom correct? Take out wisdom but yeah. I see why people lynched Math I wasn't gonna be shocked at a scum flip until the huge wall plus I think getting rid of the poison was a mistake regardless.

[MariaR]

math with the winning lylo play

"lynch me" about 27 times when he was already being wagoned
solid work detectives

OOF

[MariaR]

So the gunsmiths are: Kokichi Moment Wisdom Nos maybe pur?
Leaving: Sakura me Dunnstral Muffin Spiffy Prof

[MariaR]

FUCK YOU MEAN MAYBE?
u wanna fight

Will there be mud?

[MariaR]

i thought Sakura was scum going into the night but if she was scum knowing math was town it'd basically be suicide for her and I don't see why scum her makes this sort of gambit hrm.

[MariaR]

So the gunsmiths are: Kokichi Moment Wisdom Nos maybe pur?
Leaving: Sakura me Dunnstral Muffin Spiffy Prof

If we're assuming 1 scum in gunsmiths and non as a poisoner I would say for me Nos/Kokichi along with Prof/Muffin with outside chance of Sakura is what I'm looking at here

[MariaR]

You think fg is breaking all da trends?

[MariaR]

Consider Prof at L-1 just letting people check in with gun results and all that fun stuff

[MariaR]

still not seeing y muffin is scum? For faking the guilty with kat? I honestly just think muffin would do that to be a jerk cause they didn't seem to care about anyone here but kat

[MariaR]

(actually, im pretty sure he was telling the truth about the inno but that's because it seems rather obvious to me what his role actually was)

(will find out in endgame if i was correct and if i am, it's a pretty clever role. kudos fakegod)

this doesn't HELP

[MariaR]

Engage in intellectual discourse

ur deadass still tryna get muffin killed

we should lynch muffin and just get this over with

These posts back to back are rly jarring

[MariaR]

we know scum is in non gunsmiths we don't in gs we just assume

[MariaR]

ok but proscum play is to claim gunsmith even if theyre not if they know who the poisoner is.

This requires scum to have a gun IE gunsmith

[MariaR]

Besides we know scum has to be in non guns and poisoner is the more threatening role of w/e scum can have left

[MariaR]

ok but proscum play is to claim gunsmith even if theyre not if they know who the poisoner is.

This requires scum to have a gun IE gunsmith

Scum has a gun regardless of whether they are a gunsmith or not, the only exception would be a Scum doctor or Scum poisoner.
Town doesnt have a gun by default unless they are gunsmith, cop?, or vig.

I am. A dumbass. I forgot this

[MariaR]

Does that apply to the few people that outted early.
Mmm but yeah I suppose I still think lynching in non guns is the correct play

[MariaR]

I just think it's prof at this point I'm not really scumreading any other non gun person that hard like townread from spiffy is going down from his d1 play but rly not enough to say yeah he's scum
VOTE: Prof

L-1
Scum will start to kill non kill gunsmiths after this because everyone will basically be clear so in the gunsmiths we have
Moment Kokichi Wisdom Nos Purr
in that pool I'd say Nos and Kokichi are my 2 picks with purr being 3rd
Mostly because I tr moment and Wisdom
Purr is null
Nos and Kokichi can both flip scum but really just not touching moment and Wisdom should be an auto win

[MariaR]

Who do you think is scum in gunsmiths atm Sakura? Since you're here

[MariaR]

Kokichi's push and logic make a lot of sense to me he just rubbed me the wrong way with him going. "That was a reaction" when he tried to push me after the guilty ended. I don't really believe it because he doesn't really ever reaction test me. He just pushes me. Him pushing wisdom D1 because he has a gun makes sense but I don't really see why it's credible? Like yes I see the logic and it makes sense but if we assume scum gunsmith (are we?) then I see that line easily. If it's not scum gunsmith then yeah but we don't really know that answer.
Pedit: Purr just doing whatever the fuck he wants is nai and jaring like "let's lynch town again" etc but idk if purr kills Nancy because Purr would prob keep nancy around just cause.

[MariaR]

he reaction tested me this game in his own words
After the guilty on me went away and people were still on the "ehhh maybe lynch maria" train he said "yeah I could vote Maria" and after I called him out for shifting from a tr on me to a "I could vote her" look he called it a reaction test because I found it blatantly scummy. He never said what that reaction test did or what the purpose of it was for. Just that it was a reaction test. If he put more thought into saying why he did it or the result I could maybe believe it but rn it just looked like a way to backtrack and save his own ass

[MariaR]

Give us a giant reads list with pretty colors and I might unvote you <3

[MariaR]

Forgive me it's 11pm and I am a very tired Maria >_>

[MariaR]

I feel like I'm choking on all this testosterone

[MariaR]

I feel like I'm choking on all this testosterone

Is this the next excuse for ignoring what I say? Keep em' coming

Oh you hush right now and quit your crying mr. You know for a fact I will sit you down so fast. I get you're upset with this game but you acting this way isn't gonig to do you any favors. It's a team game Dunn take a step back like I did if you're upset

First of all, it's important that MathBlade's

strategy

, at least, stays in-tact. It's better to stick with the current category of 'no-guns' until scum poisoner is found, so by that account, I'll admit that lynching me is better than lynching a town gunsmith. It would essentially force scum's hand to rule people out by slimming down one of the two pools, so in theory, we quickly find scum poisoner if they choose to shoot no-guns, otherwise they ready the gunsmith pool for lynching. While I'm wary of gaming FakeGod, I think after the 3 Town MCs-thing, I'd be surprised if he threw a second curve ball. I imagine most of you subscribe to this plan (I hope), so this is perhaps nothing new, but I thought I would mention it anyway, due to its importance as a strategy for town-win.

no guns

Dunnstral

- virtually conftown on the basis of his Doublevote, and his play thus far seems fiercely pro-town. I expect him to be dead by tomorrow tbh.

zMuffinMan

- my next bet for town among the no-guns. I frankly see no basis for scum-reading him except on policy given his 'collusion' with Katsuki. Notice how his reaction to being pressured has been different in Day 2 and Day 4, where he was much more troll-y in the first instance where he was secretly strategizing with Katsuki and seemed unworried/unfazed, whereas today he's been much more serious and engaged. I wouldn't expect such behavior from scum, and while his methods with Katsuki were unorthodox, maybe, I think they still came from a pro-town mindset, and certainly today I think he's affirmed his townness, and I think his point about immediately publicizing the PTs is valid, plus he and Kat said A LOT in their PT together, and nothing in that God-forsaken thread seemed indicative of scum!Muffins where you'd think it would be most plain. Don't lynch here.

Spiffeh

- I see no real reason as to why he's being town-read? That being said, I don't know as if I scum-read him, as from the one game I've played with him where he was scum, it was not his practice to lurk when lurking was particularly beneficial in that game (Transformers). Null here.

Sakura Hana

- Questionable. She fiercely defended Katsuki and I sung her praises, then once it came to MathBlade and myself she seemed to change her tune a lot. MathBlade was scum-reading her, and I don't think I'm quite so confident, partly due to her recent activity in-thread which seems unnecessarily engaged for scum, but in the end slight scum for me.

MariaR

- Similar to Sakura in that her recent bantering seems unnecessarily engaged for scum, but then again, she nearly got lynched and may need to cover her butt here. In this case also, Katsuki had a hard scum-read on her, so much so that he was willing to fake a guilty (which even though MariaR's guilty was faked, she can still be scum - seemed like people wrote her off quickly as town post-reveal and I'm not sure why). Again, I'm not as confident here so slight scum for me.

guns

This category is much harder for me to sort; most of this is going to be gut feelings, really.

Wisdom

- Not a fan of his tunneling, but it makes me think he's town, despite MathBlade's words.

Nosferatu

- Man of relatively few words but has remained engaged. Slight town for me.

Moment

- Initially got scummy vibes here. Her gambit doesn't make her town in my eyes by way of the fact that scum could easily do the same thing, as they would have to know town had other gunsmiths, although the Tracker fake seems a less likely scum-gambit, so I'll say slight town.

Kokichi Oma

- Reaction to Moment's gambit gets very WIFOM-y in my head, as I can see scum!Kokichi, having not submitted the kill, having that reaction, though it also seems a possible town reaction, though in my head I would respond to such a claim as Moment's without his level of aggression and maybe more thoughtfulness like "Hm, what explains this since I know I didn't visit them?" since faking a claim like that as scum seems worse than sub-optimal, but then again, Kokichi and I are different people after all. In the end, null.

Purrcocet

- Something seems oddly suspicious about Purrcocet. Can't quite place it - maybe it's the trying too hard to be cute? Also somewhat PoE. Slight scum here.

I really hate this list because in a Prof friday scum world the part we would look at is the gun cataory and those details are quite bland and wifom compared to the one with other no guns. Also Prof why were you voting Sakura over me if I'm lower on the list? That doesn't make much sense for me

I feel like I'm choking on all this testosterone

I have a testosterone deficiency so no worries from me

thank goodness

I say so in the list, but yes, it is ordered that way.

im not really reading what your reasons are cause i dont really care and im not gonna lie to myself and pretend to

i only care about the placement of everyone else. its interesting you townread wisdom and not kokichi. You also have no red reads. Why's that?

Why do you townread Kokichi so hard? I'd love to hear that

i understand that but if you have two pools and you have no obvious scumreads I would expect town to PoE and just pick the ones that arent towny as potential scum

the fact that you didn't makes your readlist seem wishwashy and non-committal.

Oh shit I'm agreeing with Nos oop

[MariaR]

Tbf i wasnt hard scumreading prof until this post:

Remind me why I'm scum again and

why we aren't lynching among MathBlade's picks?

I saw this but didn't really remember what maths picks were so I ignored it

I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).

With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.

The fact you're just letting a prof friday lynch go through thinking they're town and I am clearly pushing it doesn't raise alarm bells to you? If I were you I'd be calling that wagon off I doubt is bussing right now since the other scum is likely in gunsmiths so what are you doing right now? This is a really big scum claim

And what are u expecting the poisoner to claim?

Something other than Vanilla Town that doesn't have a gun, presumably. Hadn't really given a lot of thought to the specifics. I'm not sure how much creativity it would really require, if any at all.

Anyone who claims non VT with no gun would've prob been a main char and I don't think anyone would claim not VT here as poisoner

[MariaR]

UNVOTE:
Moments play around this wagon makes me want to take a step back

[MariaR]

First of all, all 3 MCs are dead, we have 5 gunsmiths running around, and a dead JOAT with presumably cop similar abilities.
I dunno but it feels like Poisoner claims VT here 100% of the time.

yeah this

I'm probably biased due to all this testosterone, and because katsuki fake claimed a guilty on me in minuet, and because Maria is my friend, but in my humble opinion I believe that prof fridays has shown themself to be town and we should consider other possibilities

Stop. You're doing yourself no favors at

[MariaR]

at all*

[MariaR]

Kokichi and moment can't both be scum and the way moment is reacting to the prof wagon doesn't seem like partners to me it feels like him knowing prof is town and trying to set up a ML for me the next day. So where the fuck am I incorrect

[MariaR]

Spoiler: All moment posts this day

I don't think it's terribly unlikely that Prof Fridays is scum. Spiffeh seemed to disagree though (at least, regarding ankamius' play), so I'd like to see what he has to say there.

honestly ima make a bold statement and say we can lock that slot scum just for ank's read on mylo

What about Maria?

Also, Purrcocet does have a gun.

Someone call me if lynching in Prof Fridays, MariaR and Nosferatu doesn't win the game. Oh, and don't lynch Muffins. I think he's (probably) not scum.

By the way, crazy idea I've been considering that I feel like just floating out there: scum Purrcocet?

Nosferatu - Man of relatively few words but has remained engaged. Slight town for me.

Why? Just because of "engagement"?

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I'll call you

Prof Fridays looks like town in his recent reaction to pressure - MariaR you know my read there, Nosferatu softed his investigative result on day 1 which is a weird angle to take if he were scum faking gunsmith

In order:
1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.
2) Gotcha.
3) Mind quoting that for me?

I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).

With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.

And what are u expecting the poisoner to claim?

Something other than Vanilla Town that doesn't have a gun, presumably. Hadn't really given a lot of thought to the specifics. I'm not sure how much creativity it would really require, if any at all.

First of all, all 3 MCs are dead, we have 5 gunsmiths running around, and a dead JOAT with presumably cop similar abilities.
I dunno but it feels like Poisoner claims VT here 100% of the time.

Sure. Like I said; it wasn't a huge indicator to me. I will say, however, that Minuet's Trio had the main characters, the "mass" role as well as one other town role separate from both of those; it's not entirely unreasonable. Although, as I type that, I realize that that "other" town role is probably just Dunnstral.

Eh, yeah. I suppose it's probably not really indicative one way or the other actually.

1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.

It looks more like they're resigned to their lynch and are giving out last reads than they're trying to set up associatives or change the lynch

That can come from town or scum. In fact, it might even be

scum

indicative if Prof Fridays is a town player that normally fights tooth and nail against getting mislynch.

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Can't claim doctor because we already got an MC gated Doctor.
Can't claim poisoner because obviously
Can't claim Gunsmith because no gun
Can't claim Cop because no gun and an MC with a gated cop shot (or more).
Can't claim any other investigative because they'd likely be found lying sooner rather than later.
Can't claim BP because we lynch them anyways.

Seriously what are you expecting a scum poisoner to claim here.

I already said that I hadn't given it much specific thought; I get the point.

So why do you feel nosferatu is scum?

Seemingly inconsistent or made up positions, the forced posting from the beginning of the game, and a realization that some things that I was townreading him for earlier - mainly frustration with Nancy Drew- would probably still come from scum in the same manner. That's the short version of it, at least.

Oh, and also the way that he dealt with the guilty on MariaR. This isn't an associative read, it's a scumtell that I've found myself guilty of sometimes. If you go back and look, he just didn't really talk about it at all. You could call it TMI on knowing that it's a fake guilty and being awkward to deal with it or you could call it a partner associative (I'm not calling it one way or the other), but either way I think that sort of skirting around an issue is a scum reaction.

You can see at the start moment goes "Prof could be scum" in his very first post. So why isn't he voting? Because he's waiting for Spiffy? But that doesn't make much sense to wait for a scumread to voice there thoughts. Unless moment is gonna say he outright wanted spiffy to speak so it can change his thoughts but I doubt that so he must tr spiffy. But last I checked it was a scumread look here:

Spoiler: Moment posts with reads on spiffy

The reason I disappear is that I do other things while I post and sometimes forget about the game. Dunn can vouch for me on this I do agree that I could've asked Nancy more but my day really wasn't the best and mafia was the last thing on my mind. I do think you're towny because I can fully understand where you're coming from. Can you go into more detail on your Nos scumread? Would you lynch Spiffy here?

There's not much more to my Nosferatu scumread than I said in 307, especially considering as he hasn't actually been around since then. Spiffeh I'm starting to come around on; perhaps it's just me being fooled by scum starting to put more effort in, but I would need more convincing to lynch him at the moment.

And, as much as I believe you in what you say, I'm afraid it doesn't really change anything with regards to my read on you. I don't think that it could.

For the record, I'm coming more around to town Dunnstral and back around to scum Spiffeh.

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Town, town, undecided. Why those three in specific?

It's the 3 people I'm trying to sort the most at the moment.

Is that because you scumread them, or...? I'm not sure you got to the core of my question. Why are you trying to sort those three the most right now?

Well, as long as TBG, Katsuki, and zMuffinMan are still "playing" the game like they are, my list of suspects pretty much just boils down to Kokichi, matt and maybe Spiffeh. So...

VOTE: projectmatt

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I was thinking about your Maria buddying comments D1 and now I understand why nothing she did actually looked like buddying to me. Because, it just seemed quite natural to me and I doubt I would have even considered it, had you not suggested it first. Usually if I’m being pocketed, I’ll get pinged in some way. There will be something about the way they’re reacting to me that either seems insincere or over the top, and I didn’t get that sense at all from Maria.

Sure.

I don't think it's terribly unlikely that Prof Fridays is scum. Spiffeh seemed to disagree though (at least, regarding ankamius' play), so I'd like to see what he has to say there.

He goes "I'm coming around to town spiffy"
But then goes back to scum
Then back to maybe. And this is never explained not once so it's logical to think he still scumreads them so why is he waiting for Spiffy thoughts? The read feels made up and like a random excuse to not vote Prof. It feels like moment is doing anything to stay off the wagon.
The rest of the iso is a bit of wagon why Prof could be town for claiming "VT" when Sakura proves this incorrect he says "I get it" and throws the reason away. He also throws a few jabs at me wanting to line up lynches on me and Purr Nos in the last post? Overall I think Moment has tried to line up lynches with his TMI info and trying to find good advantages and reasons for why X Y Z is scum. I don't want to vote Prof friday because given how moment is acting behind this wagon. Honestly I don't expect people to read this cause I made it but hey if you do thanks Kudos tell me your thoughts.
I want to vote moment but sadly he's a gun holder and ik we should vote in people who don't have guns.

[MariaR]

He's looking for reasons that stick and avoiding the prof wagon so he can go "yeah prof was town" and line up lynches you can see the progression getting to that point in a weird angle because his first post of the day was "prof could be scum"
So find a reason to not vote there (Spiffy) but we already explained how that's weird and doesn't make sense. Why isn't he voting me? Moment should be voting me here but maybe he doesn't want a wagon on me to get traction cause prof is already so close to be being lynched? That's the best bet I can think of because his words do not make any sense. It's stalling to look good for not lynching town and if he lynched me after too he'd be obv sus.

[MariaR]

That Spiffy read is fabricated but does that make moment/Spiffy SvS? Maybe infact I can see it that could explain why it's so random and why he asked Spiffy of all people
VOTE: Spiffeh
I like Sakura her engagement with me felt legit I think she's town her play doesn't make sense as scum it's outright suicide
Muffin? I don't really understand but he's town for a mod error cause I'd have been lynched otherwise I believe? I need more details on that but I'd vote him over Sakura
Prof is spewed town with moment scum
bingo.

[MariaR]

And what are u expecting the poisoner to claim?

Something other than Vanilla Town that doesn't have a gun, presumably. Hadn't really given a lot of thought to the specifics. I'm not sure how much creativity it would really require, if any at all.

[MariaR]

I will agree that I don't think that scum in Prof Fridays' situation would claim Vanilla Town, but I think it's incorrect to give everyone a free pass because of that. It would make me willing to lynch elsewhere first, at the very least (elsewhere, say, on MariaR).

With regards to those quotes, they don't do anything at all for me. It's more of a reactionary comment than a deliberate crumb and I don't actually see how this specifically comes from a town gunsmith over a scum gunsmith, or even just a scum player faking a townread. What's more, it ignores the possibility of Spiffeh being the scum poisoner; that's not entirely unreasonable, of course, but I would consider it towny if he seemed to consider that somewhere along the line.

and

[MariaR]

Both of those quotes felt like you were townreading Prof friday. Perhaps I should've asked what your read on spiffy was before making my case because you can just fit whatever agenda fits. If I'm the only one that felt that way then my mistake.

[MariaR]

Those posts you quoted were from ~Day 1.

And? I quoted everytime you talked about a read for Spiffy I looked over everyone if it was from d1 that isn't my fault I'm just showing your progression going. "That was day 1 quotes" Isn't a valid defense

[MariaR]

What is going on

Hi Spiffy! I'm trying to lynch you don't mind me

[MariaR]

maria pls

just vote prof and all will be good

moment is scum wisdom

[MariaR]

wtf I'm srs

[MariaR]

Uhh I'll have to catch up and see if Maria is scum or just playing bad. She never really bad as town tho. But I'll read after work

Oh here we go

[MariaR]

Maria I appreciate your effort
Is your spiffeh vote just based on interactions with moment?

He would most likely be the 2nd vote after Prof but yes for the most part. I'm glad someone does

[MariaR]

Maria I appreciate your effort
Is your spiffeh vote just based on interactions with moment?

He would most likely be the 2nd vote after Prof but yes for the most part. I'm glad someone does

Do you think any of spiffeh's own stuff looks scummy without moment connections?

Or let's start from the beginning and talk about moment because they have been looking town for me

On spiffy I thought his day 1 was one of the best to be honest along with the fact he was a major wagon contender with ninja. I was pretty sure he was town but perhaps because he's the poisoner it makes since to lose ninja. I just think his play has gone down since D1 I can't really say "scummy" cause that's not the correct wording maybe...lacking?

Moment I just don't get the same vibes from before he outright locked Nancy as scum cased them and never left them pushed it over and over etc.
So we have this game case me check. push me over and over...um no check he just kinda says I'm scum and is doing nothing about it. Sure he cased me but I don't get the fire like the other game. I don't get why town moment is letting me live right now when from his pov shouldn't I be the poisoner I know for dam sure I wouldn't let my poisoner read just run free. He's kinda taken a back seat and I just don't get why that's happening here. Along with the stuff I cased before I'm fairly sure moment is scum. What makes you think they're town

[MariaR]

yikes

[MariaR]

but idk. whenever i say someone is bad town, they end up being maria

fixed?

[MariaR]

Why not spiffy

[MariaR]

Why not spiffy

Why the hesitation? Don't you scumread Prof Fridays?

Not compared to scum Spiffy I don't. I think you and him are the scum team so that would make Prof town.

[MariaR]

seems like I'll have no choice with 17 hours but I'd vote Muffin over Prof with that prod dodging

[MariaR]

Indeed.

[MariaR]

What's got you so confident in that scumteam to the point where everyone else in the game is a townread? I thought I might have been tunnelling some reads and even I'm still willing to lynch outside of my main scumteam targets. I mean, this is quite the shift from what you seemed to be saying just a bit earlier, when (at least, speaking from memory here) you thought Prof Fridays had a pretty good shot at being scum.

Is it those quotes you pulled up a bit ago?

Logically when you have 2 scum left and you're so confident in 1 read (you being scum in gunsmiths) I look for who I don't think would be partners with you and Prof friday is one of them along with his late game posting. That doesn't mean I refuse to vote em hell I prob will so we don't end up in a no lynch. Yes the quotes and the case I gave is why I think you're scum. I'm not tunneling any read I just made my stances clear. The whole point of this style of play was to get people to listen and if people don't want to listen I can't really help. I was wrong with Dunnstral so I refreshed myself and this is where I got my reads too.
If I was to give my reads it'd be like this:
Moment>Nos>Kokichi>Purr>Wisdom

Spiffy>Muffin>Prof>Sakura>Dunn

[MariaR]

No?

[MariaR]

That wasn't me calling it bad it was me saying yikes because Wisdom>Purr anyday. Also because I like saying yikes as an irl habbit.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Muffin
Since Spiffy isn't happening.

[MariaR]

Idk but you say that like it'd be a problem. Is it?

[MariaR]

It doesn't because the logic stems from moment

[MariaR]

Wasn't it conf that the Muffin inno was fake? Am I wrong on that? UNVOTE:
The poison logic can just be because Kat claimed an invest yeah?

[MariaR]

You have a point.

[MariaR]

Wouldn't they know kat was an inno regardless cause brain?

[MariaR]

Does scum Muffin kill the doc save ye? Or do they leave kat alone

[MariaR]

mmmm Muffin's play late game today has been so bad compared to prof though.

[MariaR]

I don't think the inno part is why Muffin would kill Kat. It's that Kat was clear in the first place

[MariaR]

im not even caught up on the game, if you couldn't fucking tell from me quoting something like 25 pages back rofl

thanks for looking out for me, dunnstral

Kill him before we says something about the "inno" - if he ever does

after claiming for me to prevent me getting lynched

Kill him before he can check other people, making his job harder

while he's claiming an inno on me

Kill him so it looks like he's cleared before Katsuki can elaborate

even though cupcake could have "elaborated" at any point d2 if this was the case

yeah, not sure how i ever stood a chance against the your amazing deduction skills

i'm reading spiffeh as town for something i probably shouldn't be town-reading him for and i'm not going to talk about

=]

i think he's more likely to be town than scum anyway

and i doubt sakura is scum

which leaves you and mariar as potential poisoners

(unsure which of the gunsmiths haven't been checked yet but really those should all be double-checked by multiple sources if we dont hit poisoner today, just in case)

i wouldn't kill nancy because i don't think she's good at finding scum lol

prodge

1 week of content compared to prof like. I would feel bad not lynching this over Prof like do you think Prof late game play is really scum when they were about to be lynched? The inno isn't the issue here imo It's the doc save itself.
VOTE: Muffin
Scum Muffin kills the Doc and Poisons there friend who they know won't go after them for that day phase. Seems pretty likely to me no? Supporting a fake guilty etc
Pedit: Didn't someone say that Kat outright said the inno was not reliable in the hood? I'll go look myself but I'm pretty sure I remember that.

[MariaR]

uh sakura can you link the pt's for me whenever I click the next page the tab is fking up for me.

[MariaR]

Oh ty

[MariaR]

Subject: Hourglass 1st Turn PT

the hilarious thing about this game is

i actually have a cop ability
it's just awful and virtually useless until further into the game and is basically one-shot, requires two targets to yield a result and prerequisite is that the first target has to die before the second works properly

So if it's 1 shot where did the inno come from and who was the 2nd target

[MariaR]

He's a JOAT, what makes u think he used that cop ability and not one of his supposed other 2 1-shot abilities to get an inno on muffin.

I just find it unlikely he has 2 ways to clear people given set up stuff.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Muffin
Since Spiffy isn't happening.

Huh? Isn't everyone else a townread given that me and Spiffeh are scum? Why is Prof a townread because of preflip associations but muffins isn't?

Why are you only commenting on things I say? It seems your focus on me is more Beetlejuice/ Trying to only comment on my stuff because I've said a scumread about you. You haven't shown interest in really anything else. I don't get where you're getting this "isn't everyone a townread" mindset. I think you and Spiffy are the scumteam you are my main suspects. Prof is obv more towny than Muffin given his own play plus your play around Prof that should be obv if you were reading my posting and trying to figure me out at all.

[MariaR]

He's a JOAT, what makes u think he used that cop ability and not one of his supposed other 2 1-shot abilities to get an inno on muffin.

I just find it unlikely he has 2 ways to clear people given set up stuff.

yeah the GS are totally great at finding scum atm. We must totally not have other ways to do so because 5 GSs is too OP.

We've been over this friend >_>

[MariaR]

When Prof was about to get lynched that did not feel like '1 of the last 2 scum trying to live' vibes.

[MariaR]

Don't you think both Prof and Muffin are scum Wisdom? Why do you care who goes first

[MariaR]

I suppose it was wishful thinking on my part thinking we'd agree on everything.

[MariaR]

I'm not trying to argue

[MariaR]

Muffin and Spiffy are both afk.
Sakura just left Moment won't do it he's scum.

zzzz

[MariaR]

[MariaR]

HEY @MARIA, MOMENT FLIPPED TOWN WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT

It's not moments flip that puzzles me the most (but yes that was a big "what the fk") it's...why kill him? I was obv going to go after moment if we lynched the poisoner so knowing I'm town and moment is town why does scum go "yeah moment is the best kill" it just confuses me greatly. I hate NKA because it's mainly useless but I'm still just...wtf right now

[MariaR]

Do you think my slot is town?
Who is most of the town listening to right now? Not just general townreads, but who's had the most prominent voice?
Is there a specific reason for the no lynch? For the Moment kill last night?
Are there any roles I should pretend to be, or pretend not to be? Anyone in particular that scum is looking to kill?
How are you? Like, mood-wise for this game.

1) I'm holding comment on this at the moment I really need to re read.
2) I don't really think anyone is "listening" to anyone it's everyone coming together on scumreads I can't really go "yeah this is the person people are listening too. because that's not the case
3) People weren't around lol Moment kill is your guess
4) Not really that's already been answered.
5) It's been a lot of emotions but right now? Confused determined and observant fit most.

[MariaR]

Moment was pushing me and Prof last I remember
Dunn is clear so that makes logical sense.

[MariaR]

Dunn isnt a doctor, tho i guess considering the doctor was MC, no one is, why not shoot Dunn and poison moment instead... unless they wanted him to do something today with his 2x vote. OH HEY LOOK MORE REASONS FOR MUFFIN TOWN.

Too wifom.

[MariaR]

Regardless i think the scum in the non GS is Prof and the scum in the GS is most likely Purr.

Why wouldn't purr hammer muffin?

Why does this matter?

[MariaR]

Ok fair.

[MariaR]

Sometimes I wonder why wisdom doesn't suspect me for not voting Prof but then I don't question it and move on.
Holy shit it's 2am bed for me
Pedit: Oh please keep going

[MariaR]

speaking of which, where were you maria? Last time i checked i thought there was no issue because youd hammer prof. Yet you never did

I was gonna then I got busy having a conversation with an irl friend and lost track of time. Debating between Muffin/Prof today but prob voting Muffin

[MariaR]

Can we let Marquis catch up so he doesn't lurk the day away like Muffin ty.

[MariaR]

maria, you probably arent this anti town as town?

I'm a little offended because I don't think I've been anti-town at all. Unless you think having wrong reads is anti town (I disagree) I think I've been pretty helpful but I need to go iso Sakura again. Also marquis shouldn't be in your little town block.

[MariaR]

Kokichi kill was a fatal mistake. If we find the poisoner today we lynch Nos/Purr 0 questions.

[MariaR]

Like honestly I'm prob voting marquis here.

[MariaR]

why is Prof scum to you.
We agree on Nos but like
we're not lynching him today

[MariaR]

Can we let Marquis catch up so he doesn't lurk the day away like Muffin ty.

SAKURAAAAAAAAA
Pedit: Was sring ank too but prof was towny af at L-1

[MariaR]

I feel like we have auto win if we're just smart about this and come together.
Wow I sound like some cliche anime pro tag

[MariaR]

(rainbow6 btw?)
Also still

[MariaR]

Like I don't how Spiffy was towny.
I think Sakura is town.

Maybe Is hould just go read the basically outted scums iso

[MariaR]

I'm not even mad about the Muffin lynch I was prob gonna hammer that myself after Marq caught up but I still wanted to see their thoughts on things and now if they're scum they had nights to plan stuff out.

[MariaR]

Spiffehs play was like rly good day 1 and then it just keeps going down for me.
I'd need to go read the mylo defense but I defended mylo myself so I don't get why I'm not in your scum pile tbh-I guess I just was but eh
Pedit: Good question

[MariaR]

Like all it does is stall the day and I guess a bit of town cred but why take town cred when you have a free lynch that no one would blame you for.

[MariaR]

Correct.

[MariaR]

Maria wavers between town and scum but I know she has a great scumgame so that's just a bit intimidating to be honest.

How many more scum are we expecting?- if someone could answer it would really help.

Awww me? A good scum game <3

ty

2 scum

[MariaR]

Will prob iso read tomorrow busy today and tired

[MariaR]

Switch Wisdom/Nos and you have my list Purr

[MariaR]

Why do you have Nos as town?

[MariaR]

Well switch Marq and Prof.
I think it's most likely just Marquis here Purr made me rethink a bit but Prof EOD felt really towny when they were at L-1

[MariaR]

Going over non GS players
Sakura: Prob town but I have a bit of paranoia on why she isn't scumreading me at all could be a pocket but blah.
Prof: I just liked his content at L-1 it doesn't scream scum poisoner trying to live it was "these are my reads sheep them after I die." I could iso him again
Marq: Very very lack luster catch up it feels like he's writing a formally written note instead of real thoughts trying to scumhunt to me. Along with Spiffy's play just getting worse I wanna vote here. Need to Iso Nos/Prof still so would like if we can keep cool for now

[MariaR]

And tbh, im done running away.
I've been mentally prepared to be mislynched ever since my screw up with Math, doubly so after the screw up with muffin, im gonna follow my gut until i die.

*hug*

[MariaR]

I would request some last words before I'm lynched.

That reads list was less painful than I thought it would be.

I say so in the list, but yes, it is ordered that way.

im not really reading what your reasons are cause i dont really care and im not gonna lie to myself and pretend to

i only care about the placement of everyone else. its interesting you townread wisdom and not kokichi. You also have no red reads. Why's that?

There's no one that pings me really as being obviously scummy. It's sort of like, if I had to place a wager - town or scum - where would I put people?

I'm not calling someone scum I'm not sure is scum. I'll call out who I think is

most probably

scum. To not leave room for uncertainty/change in read is dangerous imo.

I'm Town (Vanilla Town), I've said my piece, and now I'm off to bed.

He posted a reads list too but this feels like someone who knows there getting lynched gives no fucks and posted a list.
I would expect a scum poisoner to put up more of a fight would you not?
Pedit: I'd need to go read but I thought the main counter wagon was Marq no

[MariaR]

I was about to call wisdom scummy for being stubborn but then I remembered I'm talking about wisdom here.
Pedit: The only 2 answers are town cred and to that I say why not just take a free ml no one would blame you for. And 2nd is to delay the days for poison but I don't think prof is smart enough for that
Pedit2: I think you're in a tunnel

[MariaR]

Yo Purr.
Why Wisdom scum.
Why Nos town.

[MariaR]

I'm at a point where Nos feels like outted scum and scum is just in poisoners between Prof/Marq but I strongly think it's Marq by a long shot. I know I said the same with moment but this isn't just a "I scumread X" this time I have strong reason to tr the rest of the playerlist so I'd love if you could or anyone rly correct my stances.

[MariaR]

the simple fact of the matter is i dont think we had 2 scum wagons at deadline on day one

Why not? That isn't as hard as you think it is with 3 scum in a 17p I was kinda trapped in this myself but with the logic of poisoner it would make sense for my long to just kneel over like they did no? 2 scum wagons is never impossible and certainly not with these numbers.

[MariaR]

Maria Idk if its these shitty avis u always have but you always give off an evil vibe

dw
Ive made the one fatal mistake and put u in my town pile already

You're one to talk about shitty avis

[MariaR]

VOTE: Marq

[MariaR]

See it's not that hard to lynch scum

[MariaR]

Only 3 scum in a fg game sakura relax

[MariaR]

"Oh no I flipped scum"
"Oh no a fake guilty"
"Oh look we won!"


Thanks Wisdom you were a great partner for going through that with to the end. Sorry you got power lynched ninja. I'm ok with scum pt outted

[MariaR]

Wisdom made the game really easy after the fake guilty was over la la la.

[MariaR]

To be fair before the fake guilty and mod kill I wasn't even that big a sr in the first place.
The mod kill made the game really easy after that though.

[MariaR]

I LEAVE FOR ONE FUCKING DAY

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

[MariaR]

To be fair before the fake guilty and mod kill I wasn't even that big a sr in the first place.
The mod kill made the game really easy after that though.

I mean Dunn kept stonewalling me when I kept pushing you.

Dunn was someone I'm confident I know how to fool so yeah that helped.

[MariaR]

When Math subbed in I was so fucking scared because they've been wrong on town me once. So I assumed they'd nail me
Pedit: It'd be the first time you expressed it
Pedit2: BRIAN YOU WERE SUCH A CHALLENGE I WAS GRINDING MY GOD DAM TEETH

[MariaR]

Ank your problem was you said I'm scummy for X post but barely if ever explained why. Moment outright caught me in a contradiction and Brian explained his stuff well too. Getting a read correct isn't everything it's convincing others you're right too. Honestly town didn't look at NKA and the people who were correct died early. The other people that had a hunch just weren't strong enough to get people to listen.

[MariaR]

My first scumgame was pick your power and I had everyone townreading me besides the last pick who got cop...