Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Prof Fridays]

Greetings! I'll work to get caught up quickly!

[Prof Fridays]

HI QUICK TL;DR FOR YOU MUFFINS AND I ARE MOD CONFIRMED TOWN

ISSAC IS VIRTUALLY CONFTOWN BASED ON PLAY

Why does MuffinMan have 6 votes then???

[Prof Fridays]

UNVOTE:

while I figure things out.

[Prof Fridays]

So how did we have the fortune of finding scum RB Day 1? It might be nice to hear a summary of events/thoughts from people, not only for my benefit in catching up, but also to further discussion.

[Prof Fridays]

Can I join, MuffinMan? D:

[Prof Fridays]

Wait, I'm like conftown aren't I? I don't need your stinkin' house!

[Prof Fridays]

Oh whoops, that's not how that works...

So, uh, MuffinMan... Hey...

[Prof Fridays]

WAIT. ARE BRIAN AND ZMUFFIN ISAAC AND MIRIA FROM BACCANO?? THEY MUST BE IN CAHOOTS!!

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Moment

Don't like him/her or MariaR rn. Hard townreading Katsuki, Brian Skies, and Dunnstral. Town lean on zMuffin, Wisdom.

The wagon on me is bad and seems opportunist. It's hard to catch up on the 100+ pages I've missed, so naturally I've been quieter.

[Prof Fridays]

I could be persuaded TGB, as he's a null-ish read for me, but Moment's probably my #1 pick at present.

[Prof Fridays]

Fair, but I

am

town, so you

should

care about

that

.

[Prof Fridays]

Going into work but I'll be back well before deadline.

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Moment

Don't like him/her or MariaR rn. Hard townreading Katsuki, Brian Skies, and

Dunnstral

. Town lean on zMuffin, Wisdom.

The wagon on me is bad and seems opportunist.

It's hard to catch up on the 100+ pages I've missed, so naturally I've been quieter.

This seems weird

I don't think so. I can think you're town and making a mistake. TGB, Moment, and Nosferatu get scum-pings for me, though.

VOTE: TehBrawlGuy since that's the best wagon at present (L-1 maybe?).

VOTE: Moment

Don't like him/her or MariaR rn. Hard townreading Katsuki, Brian Skies, and Dunnstral. Town lean on zMuffin, Wisdom.

Mind elaborating on the reads on me and Maria? I agree with you on Maria, and I'm interested in what pinged you about me.

The short of it is you remind me of scum!me. I think a lot of what you've said recently is rather fluffy without all that much 'figuring out', and I still think the wagon on me is bad and poorly reasoned through.

[Prof Fridays]

[Prof Fridays]

I mean, you didn't have to self-hammer?

[Prof Fridays]

Trying to catch up today. Been tied up.

[Prof Fridays]

Well, it's been an exciting Day 3! I believe Katsuki. It also makes a lot of sense to have a Cop if there's a Poisoner and a bunch of Gunsmiths. I wanna see Nos claim - not sure why everyone seems to be giving him the benefit of the doubt already.

VOTE: MariaR

Not sure why we wouldn't lynch the claimed guilty while we can? Lynching in the gunsmiths seems bad to me today. Also, if MariaR isn't Poisoner and Katsuki is indeed telling the truth, that could be real bad for town, as there likely won't a way to find the Poisoner by night action.

[Prof Fridays]

I also think it's a bit dangerous to game FakeGod. He's awfully clever.

[Prof Fridays]

Why are you being this way?

[Prof Fridays]

I wouldn't say I'm doing it blindly.1

[Prof Fridays]

I also disagree that his claim is obviously fake. Possibly fake, sure.

[Prof Fridays]

Did Spiffeh and Muffin have guns or no?

[Prof Fridays]

OK MUFFIN SORRY

[Prof Fridays]

Well, it's been an exciting Day 3! I believe Katsuki. It also makes a lot of sense to have a Cop if there's a Poisoner and a bunch of Gunsmiths. I wanna see Nos claim - not sure why everyone seems to be giving him the benefit of the doubt already.

VOTE: MariaR

Not sure why we wouldn't lynch the claimed guilty while we can? Lynching in the gunsmiths seems bad to me today. Also, if MariaR isn't Poisoner and Katsuki is indeed telling the truth, that could be real bad for town, as there likely won't a way to find the Poisoner by night action.

This guy is scum

Why?

[Prof Fridays]

"Not sure why we wouldn't lynch the claimed guilty while we can?"

We can lynch the 'claimed guilty' day 4 if we want
The way you just hop onto it is scummy because Katsuki is fake claiming his result and Maria is town

You seem awfully confident of that. I trust Katsuki, myself. Call me crazy; I'm fine with joining the psychopath on this one.

Also your TBG vote yesterday was bad + the way the wagon got off of you yesterday was bad

Sure, but I didn't want to lynch conftown (me). Can you blame me?

And like I said, that one line you said about suspecting people on your wagon really didn't make sense

Made sense to me. It was a cheap shot IMO, given I replaced in late in the Day cycle.

[Prof Fridays]

You act as if I'm the one championing MariaR's lynch. I simply believe Katsuki and think it better to lynch confscum now than wait. That is a highly reasonable stance to take, I think.

[Prof Fridays]

I do not have a gun.

[Prof Fridays]

Here and catching up. Apologies, I had a mental health day yesterday and was working all day today.

[Prof Fridays]

First of all, Sakura Hana is officially my favorite person because she said everything I'd have wanted to:

Spoiler: All the things I was YAS-ing to

Why arent we lynching the guilty.
Katsuki fake claimed once in Minuet's Trio and even that got us a scum lynch, but i dont think it's a fake claim.

From my PoV, if all the investigatives were gunsmiths then we wouldnt be able to find the scum poisoner, and Kats role seems to be designed exactly for that purpose, plus the gunsmiths act as millers to each other, and if there's a scum gunsmith, it's purpose is probably to find the town ones.

Meanwhile Katsuki's claiming main character, he's also been poisoned, no one has claimed to have poisoned Kats so it came from scum, Kats inno on muffin even if fake must've been believed by scum enough to consider him a threat worth poisoning.

So I trust that Katsuki's actually a cop with a guilty on MariaR

Why arent we lynching the guilty.

Because it's Katsuki

Boring

My logic is still sound regardless, if scum had any reason to disbelieve Katsuki, then Katsuki wouldn't be poisoned, ergo, Dunn and muffin are town, possibly Wisdom too.
MariaR is also scum.

when the scumteam is likely 3 people no it doesn't.

No, it is actually MORE believable if the scumteam is 3 people
We have a flipped roleblocker.
We have an existing poisoner.
We have a likely scum gunsmith.

out of those 3 the only one who actually gives any meaningful result is the roleblocker
the gunsmith is the equivalent to a scum miller for the other gunsmiths, so it's hard to tell if town/scum gunsmith from a gunsmith result.
the poisoner is the equivalent to a scum godfather for the other gunsmiths.

So only 1 scum actually gives any meaningful result to the gunsmiths and town doesnt seem to have any other way to figure out who's scum other than by day play entirely coz the investigatives are useless.
So an alignment cop can easily find the scum gunsmith and the scum poisoner and tell the difference, likewise can find a town gunsmith

Anyone with a "not gun" result can still be a scum poisoner
Anyone with a "gun" result that is a claimed gunsmith can still be a scum gunsmith.
An alignment cop doesnt care they'll get the alignment and i doubt there are millers or godfathers if the gunsmiths are already in a bad situation wrt investigations.

Just like the vanilla cops of last game, any non vanilla result didnt mean much for the town.

Ergo, i believe that Katsuki is the role he is claiming. And if the inno on muffin was enough to cause scum to poison him, i also believe that muffin is conf town.

Basically if you believe katsuki is fake claiming you have to believe that the town is more at a disadvantage than it already is wrt investigatives.

Ok so you get everyone to claim if they have a gun or not then you know poisoner has to be in the people without guns.
All done

we currently have 4-5 ppl claimed to have guns
that leaves 10-9 ppl without guns.

Good luck PoEing the later.
Now can we please lynch player that has an alignment cop guilty on them?

You know what i also just realized.
That if the poisoner is the scum's Main character, anyone that doesnt have a gun and gets revealed as non MC is conf town LMAO.

Not really?
When known that scum can use their ability AND their kill what do you think it's more dangerous, the scum poisoner or the scum gunsmith.

Basically I feel that if MariaR was a gunsmith she'd have mentioned she has a gun already considering it was requested, and considering the guilty hanging on her i believe it's highly likely she's the scum poisoner.

In other words i think leaving her alive an extra day will allow scum to double kill tonight (even if one of the kills is delayed) and considering she's screwed anyways i doubt she'd do us the favor of eliminating one of the gunsmiths.

I do admit that's immature of him.
But is it mature of you to ignore a guilty because of it?

Doesnt change the point however, and makes the cop even more important, but oh well.
It still means that if someone has no gun and is not a main character they are conf town, but if all gunsmiths are town then there COULD be someone that's not a gunsmith and has a gone (or is fake claiming to be a gunsmith)

ditto
but no, i only get to be scum in games i dont want to

You know what i also just realized.
That if the poisoner is the scum's Main character, anyone that doesnt have a gun and gets revealed as non MC is conf town LMAO.

The poisoner being the main character seems very likely.

Has it been established yet if Ank/Prof Fridays has a gun yet?

Guns: Kokichi, Nosferatu, Moment, Wisdom, Purrcocet
All gunsmith claims

No guns: Assuming everybody else right now. Projectmatt may need to check in and Prof Friday should clarify

I have no gun.

You act as if I'm the one championing MariaR's lynch. I simply believe Katsuki and think it better to lynch confscum now than wait. That is a highly reasonable stance to take, I think.

And so does Prof Fridays

This line is scummy btw

Yeah no

The age of fake guilties is over

Prof Fridays needs to go

I just realized prof fridays isn't a main character

Bingo!

I appreciate how bummed you are at my being conftown (assuming the poisoner is indeed the scum main character). At the very least, my probability of being scum is vastly lower than most at this point.

Prof friday's iso along with how ank's been playing feels strongly like scum trying to take advantage of a result gone wrong and when I flip town he turns on Katsuki or playing clueless the only question is he's not a main character and with the poisoner likely being a main char it's ???

That's a lot of speculation that seems ill-founded. You have to claim Sakura Hana is just as guilty saying I believed Katsuki, though, admittedly, she articulated her position better than me. Also, how would I turn on town!Katsuki if he was poisoned anyway?? This seems like a really far cry and a good reason to keep my vote on you. Just on probability, it is far less likely I'm scum than this alternative explanation that seems like grasping at straws a bit.

The only reason we didn't lynch muffins was because he 1) fake claimed neighborizor
2) fake claimed inno

He then went on to 3) fake claim a guilty on MariaR (he knew it was fake)

So why aren't we lynching him? It's ok to be a trash player if it's katsuki and muffins?

No, but I would say it's bad policy to lynch if they're town. Someone can play bad all they want, but it's still anti-wincon to lynch town.


I'm still for a MariaR lynch at present.

[Prof Fridays]

That would be foolish when I'm almost certainly town.

[Prof Fridays]

If you can persuade me someone else is worth lynching, by all means.

[Prof Fridays]

Confirmed: I am not a main character.
Why would I lie: I have no gun.
Highly Probable: Scum left is gunsmith and poisoner with poisoner as main character.
Therefore Highly Probable: I am not scum.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm still for a MariaR lynch at present.

All this stuff was proven wrong

If you can persuade me someone else is worth lynching, by all means.

Muffins fake claimed and claimed neighborizor to get out of being lynched

Why is he town again?

If we're using the same metric of Katsuki in the Brian Skies PT, notscum!MariaR and scum!Muffins are mutually exclusive.

[Prof Fridays]

Looking for replacement.

For?

projectmatt

[Prof Fridays]

are we lynching maria or not

No, the guilty was proven fake, unvote her for now please

Also I just now saw the replace out

As was the TGB one.

What are you talking about, I don't remember a tbg fake guilty

I think I read that in the PT from hell.

You brave, brave woman...

[Prof Fridays]

Can everybody out a second scumread?

Katsuki flip means I’m probably wrong on Ank/PF and Muffin was behaving loke too much of a _______ , so I honestly have no clue atm.

What's the correlation between katsuki and professor friday, though?

Katsuki ignored me from what I remember, so not sure what that does.

Can everybody out a second scumread?

One of the gunsmiths! It's really hard to know atm. Who was the GS claim that was late to the party? I recall Kokichi, Moment and Nosferatu?

[Prof Fridays]

Who are your scum GS picks, Dunn/Nancy? I have a hard time ruling anyone out.

[Prof Fridays]

Oh, sure, I wasn't saying otherwise. I still am for MariaR as poisoner; I was just curious as to if you had any suspicions on any of the gunsmiths. Surprised @Dunnstral postulating no scum GS. Not gonna say he's wrong, but I'd be surprised with 4 claimed in the game.

[Prof Fridays]

Who are your scum GS picks, Dunn/Nancy? I have a hard time ruling anyone out.

I’m not scumreading any of them right now but I think we need to lynch the poisoner first.

P.edit . I’m not really scumreading anyone. Are we allowed to speculate on the timing of the Matt replace out?

I don't see why not. Seems towny to me.

[Prof Fridays]

Holy shit we have 5 gunsmiths??? You can't tell me there isn't one scum in there, Dunnstral.

[Prof Fridays]

Oh, sure, I wasn't saying otherwise. I still am for MariaR as poisoner; I was just curious as to if you had any suspicions on any of the gunsmiths. Surprised @Dunnstral postulating no scum GS. Not gonna say he's wrong, but I'd be surprised with 4 claimed in the game.

Not necessarily saying there's no scum gs I guess, especially with 5 claimed, just that I'm not sure we should be thinking there HAS to be a scum gs

Sure, but there is certainly scum in the GS

claims

.

[Prof Fridays]

Wait, I don't understand the sudden flip onto me. What did I say?

[Prof Fridays]

Wait, I don't understand the sudden flip onto me. What did I say?

not really sure

Wait, I don't understand the sudden flip onto me. What did I say?

---

Idk mane I got a purrsonality cult

Confirmed: I am not a main character.
Why would I lie: I have no gun.
Highly Probable: Scum left is gunsmith and poisoner with poisoner as main character.
Therefore Highly Probable: I am not scum.

poisoner is likely a main character. unless someone town wants to claim they are a main character? He has no gun, thus he has to be poisoner or nothing. Which he likely isn't poisoner.

[Prof Fridays]

Oops, I fucked up formatting but whatevs you get it.

[Prof Fridays]

Also lol @ Dunnstral's vote of me. Proves my notion that he doesn't like that I'm town lmao

[Prof Fridays]

In any case:
Minuet's Trio: 1 scum MC, 2 Town MC.
Queen of Hearts: 1 scum Alice, 2 Town Alices.
Nightingale's Tale: 1 scum Alice, 2 Town Alices.
Through the Looking Glass: 1 scum Alice, 2 Town Alices.

By virtue of the Alices/MCs in games they are the strongest PRs, so for balance one needs to be scum and two town or either side is gonna be overpowered.

I do NOT believe for a second that Math is a town MC.

In Alice in Wonderland, all 3 Alices were town. Also, I'm wary of gaming FakeGod too much; Math's claim is believable to me.

[Prof Fridays]

if math is really the last main and town, prof is almost certainly scum
I think thats who math should poison

Do you not realize that Prof is nearly conf town

Technically not anymore with Math as MC, since therefore scum poisoner would not be a main character.

[Prof Fridays]

You know this game is scary when you're agreeing with wisdom most of all.

Especially when he wants Muffin and I killed for no good reason.

but if he doesnt poison who we say hes scumclaiming

True, but, if he poisons who we say he's playing against win con anyway or just flat out helping town in any case, He might just poison someone else and for the same result of getting lynched anyway so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Besides as I said im fairly sure that there has to be a scum MC for balance.

I'm not convinced personally, even if it would benefit me to do so (MathBlade as scum MC poisoner makes me conftown). I have a hard time understanding how MathBlade's play thus far comes from scum!MB.

Ok so here's another thing:
If scum has a poisoner along Math, then WTF is Math's role for an MC, scum's wouldnt be an MC coz there's 3 MCs, so scum cannot have something as strong as math's role or stronger, which then leaves Math as the only poisoner.

Do the rules explicitly state that as the case (that is, that MCs are necessarily stronger than any other non-MC PR)? I feel like Brian's weak MC role makes room for these exceptions in MathBlade as town poisoner and 2 scum non-MC PRs.

[Prof Fridays]

No it's just assumed because most of the times MC's have been op compared to other roles

Then I rest my case.

[Prof Fridays]

I am fervently against lynching MathBlade.

1. There is not necessarily one scum in the MCs (see: Alice in Wonderland - all three Alices were town).
   
2. That MCs are the most powerful characters is an assumption, not mod-confirmed (scum RB seems better than Nonconsecutive Doc, no? And yet the former was not a MC and the latter was).

Color me unconvinced. Also, if you think MathBlade is scum poisoner and also want to lynch me, that's laughable. How can you justify that both MB and I are scum?

[Prof Fridays]

Let me find it, Sakura.

[Prof Fridays]

1. There is not necessarily one scum in the MCs (see: Alice in Wonderland - all three Alices were town).

Was there? I dont recall seeing it in any of the prequel links when I went looking for it.

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[Prof Fridays]

I played in it, so it was easy for me

[Prof Fridays]

Ok so basically what i said earlier but there was THAT alice game that was the first game and had 3 town alices.

You'll also note that the Alices weren't necessarily the strongest PRs. My scum team that game had an Odd-Night Role Cop (me) and a Jailkeeper.

[Prof Fridays]

So basically, FG has done it before, but did it on his first game.
What conclusion do u draw from the fact that all the rest of the games had a 2:1 ratio?
that 3:0 ratio was unbalanced?

It wasn't. We had a perfect game because town played poorly more than anything.

[Prof Fridays]

Ok so basically what i said earlier but there was THAT alice game that was the first game and had 3 town alices.

You'll also note that the Alices weren't necessarily the strongest PRs. My scum team that game had an Odd-Night Role Cop (me) and a Jailkeeper.

Yes, but i mean, that was his first game. If the ratio and power of the Alices changed it means something i think.

It could also mean that now FakeGod has done this for a while, he knows how to balance a game. I'm also very wary of gaming FakeGod too much. He included 3 styles of unique titles for characters as an intentional red herring.

[Prof Fridays]

It was a fantastic game, and the reason I was eager to replace in here!

[Prof Fridays]

In any case, even in Minuet's trio, i had a belief that at least one MC had to be scum.

But it does not have to be so.

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

#TeamMath

[Prof Fridays]

Remind me why I'm scum again and why we aren't lynching among MathBlade's picks?

[Prof Fridays]

I still have not received a satisfactory answer to why I'm scum? Wisdom and now Sakura for some reason seem weirdly tunnel-y on me. I am somewhat lost as to the thought process of the lynch pool at present. Are we saying those that defended MathBlade are likely scum? How did we come to this conclusion? I am

quite

lost as to how we have totally rejected what MathBlade said.

Predictably, I claim VT.

[Prof Fridays]

I also still think Muffin is town and Wisdom is super wrong.

[Prof Fridays]

Good question. My inclination is to say he's just wrong.

[Prof Fridays]

I am quite lost as to how we have totally rejected what MathBlade said.

Math said it was Sakura and Wisdom and you seem to have casually written off Wisdom as town

So really you just think it's Sakura, or do you have a reason we should follow math's reads but selectively (they were in the game for like 8 hours)

Oh, I suppose I forgot. *shrug* I'm willing to believe MathBlade's convictions, as I believe he's likely a better scum-hunter than myself. I waffle a lot. I still am curious as to why people have written MathBlade off so quickly today, and why I'm being scum-read. Hard to really engage people if I don't know why they're scum-reading me.

[Prof Fridays]

You'll note that I was Team Sakura up until MathBlade believed her to be scum.

[Prof Fridays]

Your stuff on mathblade was pretty good
Your stuff on Maria was pretty bad

Kind of looks like you're trying to hide behind a layer of "It's reasonable for me to be doing this" which is pretty weird, maybe because you're defending your actions instead of pushing your views

^ Very true. Mostly because I have few, if any, strong convictions at present, though I think I will VOTE: Sakura Hana for the time being, as she has changed pretty dramatically since MathBlade scum-read her, and I'm inclined to believe him at present.

[Prof Fridays]

i dont want to call 4279 a fence sit but its literally a fencesit
you wanna sheep math but u also dont and.... you cant really tell us reasons of your own

This is a fair assessment.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm very Humpty Dumpty in my playstyle.

[Prof Fridays]

Muffin is town here. Why is Spiffeh getting a pass? It seems like he's done very little thus far. Also, technically just because Katsuki fake-guiltied MariaR doesn't mean she isn't scum. Sakura's a bit up in the air for me at this point. The gunsmith pool is a shitshow for reads; they could all be scum as far as I'm concerned.

[Prof Fridays]

Again, I'll restate my bias that shenanigans=town for me generally, which is why I believed Katsuki and MathBlade.

[Prof Fridays]

I would request some last words before I'm lynched.

[Prof Fridays]

First of all, it's important that MathBlade's

strategy

, at least, stays in-tact. It's better to stick with the current category of 'no-guns' until scum poisoner is found, so by that account, I'll admit that lynching me is better than lynching a town gunsmith. It would essentially force scum's hand to rule people out by slimming down one of the two pools, so in theory, we quickly find scum poisoner if they choose to shoot no-guns, otherwise they ready the gunsmith pool for lynching. While I'm wary of gaming FakeGod, I think after the 3 Town MCs-thing, I'd be surprised if he threw a second curve ball. I imagine most of you subscribe to this plan (I hope), so this is perhaps nothing new, but I thought I would mention it anyway, due to its importance as a strategy for town-win.

no guns

Dunnstral

- virtually conftown on the basis of his Doublevote, and his play thus far seems fiercely pro-town. I expect him to be dead by tomorrow tbh.

zMuffinMan

- my next bet for town among the no-guns. I frankly see no basis for scum-reading him except on policy given his 'collusion' with Katsuki. Notice how his reaction to being pressured has been different in Day 2 and Day 4, where he was much more troll-y in the first instance where he was secretly strategizing with Katsuki and seemed unworried/unfazed, whereas today he's been much more serious and engaged. I wouldn't expect such behavior from scum, and while his methods with Katsuki were unorthodox, maybe, I think they still came from a pro-town mindset, and certainly today I think he's affirmed his townness, and I think his point about immediately publicizing the PTs is valid, plus he and Kat said A LOT in their PT together, and nothing in that God-forsaken thread seemed indicative of scum!Muffins where you'd think it would be most plain. Don't lynch here.

Spiffeh

- I see no real reason as to why he's being town-read? That being said, I don't know as if I scum-read him, as from the one game I've played with him where he was scum, it was not his practice to lurk when lurking was particularly beneficial in that game (Transformers). Null here.

Sakura Hana

- Questionable. She fiercely defended Katsuki and I sung her praises, then once it came to MathBlade and myself she seemed to change her tune a lot. MathBlade was scum-reading her, and I don't think I'm quite so confident, partly due to her recent activity in-thread which seems unnecessarily engaged for scum, but in the end slight scum for me.

MariaR

- Similar to Sakura in that her recent bantering seems unnecessarily engaged for scum, but then again, she nearly got lynched and may need to cover her butt here. In this case also, Katsuki had a hard scum-read on her, so much so that he was willing to fake a guilty (which even though MariaR's guilty was faked, she can still be scum - seemed like people wrote her off quickly as town post-reveal and I'm not sure why). Again, I'm not as confident here so slight scum for me.

guns

This category is much harder for me to sort; most of this is going to be gut feelings, really.

Wisdom

- Not a fan of his tunneling, but it makes me think he's town, despite MathBlade's words.

Nosferatu

- Man of relatively few words but has remained engaged. Slight town for me.

Moment

- Initially got scummy vibes here. Her gambit doesn't make her town in my eyes by way of the fact that scum could easily do the same thing, as they would have to know town had other gunsmiths, although the Tracker fake seems a less likely scum-gambit, so I'll say slight town.

Kokichi Oma

- Reaction to Moment's gambit gets very WIFOM-y in my head, as I can see scum!Kokichi, having not submitted the kill, having that reaction, though it also seems a possible town reaction, though in my head I would respond to such a claim as Moment's without his level of aggression and maybe more thoughtfulness like "Hm, what explains this since I know I didn't visit them?" since faking a claim like that as scum seems worse than sub-optimal, but then again, Kokichi and I are different people after all. In the end, null.

Purrcocet

- Something seems oddly suspicious about Purrcocet. Can't quite place it - maybe it's the trying too hard to be cute? Also somewhat PoE. Slight scum here.

[Prof Fridays]

I feel like I'm choking on all this testosterone

I have a testosterone deficiency so no worries from me

[Prof Fridays]

I say so in the list, but yes, it is ordered that way.

[Prof Fridays]

I feel like I'm choking on all this testosterone

I have a testosterone deficiency so no worries from me

my mother made me drink soy milk until i was 17 (aka now)
so you can put me in this category ^

Lmao #TeamMachoMen

[Prof Fridays]

That reads list was less painful than I thought it would be.

[Prof Fridays]

I say so in the list, but yes, it is ordered that way.

im not really reading what your reasons are cause i dont really care and im not gonna lie to myself and pretend to

i only care about the placement of everyone else. its interesting you townread wisdom and not kokichi. You also have no red reads. Why's that?

There's no one that pings me really as being obviously scummy. It's sort of like, if I had to place a wager - town or scum - where would I put people?

[Prof Fridays]

i understand that but if you have two pools and you have no obvious scumreads I would expect town to PoE and just pick the ones that arent towny as potential scum

That

is

what I did.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm not calling someone scum I'm not sure is scum. I'll call out who I think is

most probably

scum. To not leave room for uncertainty/change in read is dangerous imo.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm Town (Vanilla Town), I've said my piece, and now I'm off to bed.

[Prof Fridays]

1) Why? Mind elaborating on that? It didn't really do anything for me; not like matt's reaction did.

It looks more like they're resigned to their lynch and are giving out last reads than they're trying to set up associatives or change the lynch

That can come from town or scum. In fact, it might even be

scum

indicative if Prof Fridays is a town player that normally fights tooth and nail against getting mislynch.

This for me is somewhat of a special case, as I feel like I can't hardly make a dent in people's perception of my scumminess - i.e., people seem too gosh darn stubborn and belligerent for me to really change their minds, especially when I'm at L-1.

I also agree that poisoner is likely to claim VT, but I'm a little bothered by the fact that people are only now talking about my claim when I claimed several pages ago

[Prof Fridays]

I really hate this list because in a Prof friday scum world the part we would look at is the gun cataory and those details are quite bland and wifom compared to the one with other no guns. Also Prof why were you voting Sakura over me if I'm lower on the list? That doesn't make much sense for me

Sakura is lower than you in my head, but I wrote yours after Sakura, referencing things I said about Sakura so I put you after. Definitely think she's scummier than you.

Also~

Uhh I'll have to catch up and see if Maria is scum or just playing bad. She never really bad as town tho. But I'll read after work

Is it weird that this post makes me town-read MariaR just a little bit? Maybe I have an innate distrust in Kokichi's reads lol.

I also think MariaR's getting off my wagon seems a bit more town-indicative, as I was pretty much a freebie if she waited longer and/or campaigned against me post-reads list.

[Prof Fridays]

I like Spiffeh already.

[Prof Fridays]

Except I am town. And of a delightful vanilla flavour.

[Prof Fridays]

Also,

V/LA tomorrow through Monday

Though I shouldn't be totally absent.

[Prof Fridays]

Somehow I feel like if I were to be lynched and flip VT, that Wisdom would still think I'm not town lmao

[Prof Fridays]

Still voting Sakura btdubs, though I wouldn't mind hearing from Muffins again.

[Prof Fridays]

Huh, looks like I was wrong, this might actually need my vote.

VOTE: Prof Fridays

Why? Literally no explanation given.

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Wisdom

I'm just kinda sick of his crap at this point.

[Prof Fridays]

I know what I put.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm kind of suspicious of purrcocet

^ I would not be opposed to a Purrcocet lynch.

I know what I put.

i kno what u put too

this aint a gotcha

im asking if uve changed ur mind on anything esle

Still waiting to hear from Moment, as her sudden vote swap to me seems suspect. The Wisdom vote is more out of frustration with his uselessness. I feel like his last fifty posts have been "Lynch Prof" and/or "Lynch Muffin" and nothing else. While he is on the towny side on my reads list, there's still a chance he's scum and I could remove two problems in one lynch. That being said, it's not like I was expecting a wagon to form, and I suppose town is town whether you like them or not...

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Sakura

[Prof Fridays]

Gonna be honest, not sad it was Moment. The fact that scum is shooting in the gunsmiths makes me happy, since I have a hard time placing that bunch.

VOTE: Sakura

[Prof Fridays]

And somehow that's my fault?

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Muffin

You win, Wisdom.

[Prof Fridays]

I mean, let's ignore the inno for a moment, how is this:

VOTE: Muffin

You win, Wisdom.

After saying this:

no guns

zMuffinMan

- my next bet for town among the no-guns. I frankly see no basis for scum-reading him except on policy given his 'collusion' with Katsuki. Notice how his reaction to being pressured has been different in Day 2 and Day 4, where he was much more troll-y in the first instance where he was secretly strategizing with Katsuki and seemed unworried/unfazed, whereas today he's been much more serious and engaged. I wouldn't expect such behavior from scum, and while his methods with Katsuki were unorthodox, maybe, I think they still came from a pro-town mindset, and certainly today I think he's affirmed his townness, and I think his point about immediately publicizing the PTs is valid, plus he and Kat said A LOT in their PT together, and nothing in that God-forsaken thread seemed indicative of scum!Muffins where you'd think it would be most plain. Don't lynch here.

Something someone does towards their scum partner, I mean yes busing it's a thing but it feels to sudden of a switch that it feems likre a mislynch jump, and this is also counting the fact that I know that him "sheeping math" on me was also jumping on a mislynch.

Oh no! You got me! /sarcasm

I mean, I'm not happy about it, but with Muffin being completely absent, it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt anymore. Also, reads change? I can do that? Moreso, though, is that I seem to be convincing no one to lynch elsewhere and I'd rather lynch a probable-town than a conftown, because I can still be wrong.

[Prof Fridays]

Also there hasn't been much further scumhunting coming from him ever since his reads list,

And you and Wisdom have been scumhunting? That's laughable. At least I'm open to being wrong.

[Prof Fridays]

[Prof Fridays]

K, but scum team with Fridays does? Also, Dunnstral would be lovely to have around since he more-or-less single-handedly saved me yesterday, but maybe that's WIFOM. Leave me to tomorrow when Dunnstral is dead, since we have an Even-Night Poisoner anyway. It'll be much easier for you

[Prof Fridays]

Honestly, I was surprised I was still on the Muffin wagon. I thought I had unvoted. What is it, me, MariaR, Marquis and Sakura as poisoner lynch candidates today?

[Prof Fridays]

^ Liking Marquis' stuff. Probably between Maria and Sakura for me. Probably lean Sakura still, but could be convinced otherwise.

[Prof Fridays]

And then she hammered him?

[Prof Fridays]

We had a few days to wait and hear from Muffin, so it's not like deadline was looming.

[Prof Fridays]

I have food poisoning, Purr's avatar is creepy af now, and:

Pedit: The only 2 answers are town cred and to that I say why not just take a free ml no one would blame you for. And 2nd is to delay the days for poison but I don't think prof is smart enough for that

Thank you?

Pedit2: I think you're in a tunnel

THANK YOU!

[Prof Fridays]

I am town, I am town, I am motherloving town, and I will not resign this time, because we can't fucking afford anymore mislynches.

VOTE: Marquis

I admit, MariaR and Sakura are in my head now and have me townreading them. PoE at this point.

[Prof Fridays]

^ Hm, I like how I censored myself with "motherloving" only to drop the F-bomb in the next clause. That's class right there. I don't mind swearing, it's just I usually don't like to use swear words when they could be misconstrued tonally as my being angry or something. It's a game, so I'm always having a good time, otherwise I'd replace out! /clarifying

[Prof Fridays]

Sorry, I needed to be a lot more assertive in this game since I had the game properly PoEd :/

I don't actually know why I specifically couldn't take this game as seriously as every other game, I think it was just how everybody gelled overall

Otherwise I think all my thoughts are in the dead PT.

Thanks for trying Fridays, I think you played fine for what you were given.

Thanks! I tried I should have stuck to my guns more on Muffin, and I was having a real hard time reading people beyond Muffin and MathBlade, and even then I wavered on Muffin. I'll admit I was somewhat flailing. This was definitely a tough game for me.

Gg, MariaR/Wisdom.