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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:06 am

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I am an Oshawott! That's why I'm so grumpy right now!
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:07 am

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Votecount 1.17

volxen (6)
- Reundo , Sesq , Keyser Söze , Toranaga , the worst , Ausuka
Sesq (3)
- Dunnstral , northsidegal , volxen
Keyser Söze (1)
- Huntress
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- Irrelephant11
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- Eragon

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The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:07 am

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I'm curious if scum plan is "hey you claim TPR but we'll go tunnel on you and make sure you're still the lynch until deadline even though you're the lynch anyway"

which is what the plan would be if any of tw/keyser/reundo(/maybe ausuka) are scum with volxen. It's not a bad plan but idk how likely it is scum thinks of it/is around to pull it off
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:07 am

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REUNDO IS SUCH A CUTE NAME TELL ME YOIR STORY
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:07 am

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If this flips scum we have two great wagons to look at on D2: volxens and sesqs.

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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:09 am

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bye soze <3
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:09 am

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In post 477, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm curious if scum plan is "hey you claim TPR but we'll go tunnel on you and make sure you're still the lynch until deadline even though you're the lynch anyway"

which is what the plan would be if any of tw/keyser/reundo(/maybe ausuka) are scum with volxen. It's not a bad plan but idk how likely it is scum thinks of it/is around to pull it off
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:11 am

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In post 478, the worst wrote:REUNDO IS SUCH A CUTE NAME TELL ME YOIR STORY
It's a combination of redo + undo. I don't know, I just needed a username and it came to me randomly.
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:15 am

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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:15 am

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In post 458, Irrelephant11 wrote:lol two hours before deadline

The realllllly fun part is that we could lynch anyone with just the people online now

But prolly it'll just be volxen

Volxen if you're town do more than claim PR please, don't just disappear
I mean, what much else can I do with the time we have left? If I had gotten to L-1 with more time before the deadline there would be more time for discussion, but we are less than 2 hours away, and I'm not even sure if most/all of the players in this game will see my roleclaim before the deadline.

At this point, the only two wagons are Sesq and I. I think it's pretty clear one of us is going to be lynched. All I can really do at this point is ask you (and the others voting for me) is why do you think I am more likely to be scum than Sesq?

I'll concede that my entrance into this game wasn't stellar; there were more important things I could have addressed aside from GNB's statement about not townreading him for the math proof. But I have genuinely tried to gamesolve. And I have shared reads; Keyser is a townread for me, and {Huntress[2.718], Sesq, and Toranga} are all scumreads for me, which I elaborated on in earlier posts. Sesq, on the other hand, has never really had any reads that he has elaborated on. He started this game by going after Keyser, yet never made a coherent case against him, only basically saying that he is "detached from the state of the game". Then when I became a wagon, he sheeped Reundo's vote onto my wagon with no explanation of his vote. He hasn't really done much of anything, except sheep vote and make cryptic statements like "I'm going to make an unexpected wagon of my own" and then do nothing. He refused to defend himself at all against his own wagon, which in my view, is one of the most anti-town things you can do. After all, if you are town the only person you can be 100% certain is not scum is yourself, so you have an obligation to at least try to defend yourself against a possible impending lynch. And unlike my situation of becoming the leading wagon literally within a few hours of the deadline, he has previously been the leading wagon for a while, and he has had ample time to respond and defend himself, and yet he hasn't. He has also yet to make any original and recent scumreads of his own, except for his initial case against Keyser at the very beginning of the game.
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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:15 am

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I always read it like phonetically roondo
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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:16 am

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anyway volxen is scum this is fine
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:19 am

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I just love how this game exploded in activity right when volxen claimed watcher. Hey volxen, why don't you give us that updated reads list you said you were working on earlier?
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:27 am

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I'm actually tempted to move the lynch

Isn't this like his second game? Seems lynchbaity in retrospect
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:27 am

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Not sure of the top of my head who a better lynch is though
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:28 am

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In post 488, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm actually tempted to move the lynch

Isn't this like his second game? Seems lynchbaity in retrospect
this is fine there's nothing newbtown here.
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:29 am

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Literally the only play is to kill volxen.

If we lynch him and he’s watcher, then someone else takes his place and we get their results N1

If we lynch him and he’s scum, GREAT!

If we don’t lynch him and he’s watcher, and he’s town, he dies tonight and we don’t get results for N1

If we don’t lynch him and he’s scum, we’ll then we lynch him tommorow, which is a day later than we should
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:29 am

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No matter what volxen flips he’s always the lynch
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:30 am

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meh volxen is actually still one of the best lynches here I'll shut up
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:30 am

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There’s literally no other play that gives us value
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:31 am

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I mean the other play that gives us value is lynching a different player who is scum
But since I don't have anyone who I think is on balance that much scummier than volxen you're basically right
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:32 am

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No, becuase if we lynch someone else and volxen is watcher, scum will NK them and we won’t have a chance of watcher catching scum
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:35 am

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Right but scum lynch and lose a night of watcher is better than watcher lynch and keep a night of watcher
But you're right about the general strat I'm just saying if volxen is town the one good reason to maybe not lynch him is to lynch scum, regardless of claim
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:36 am

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Ok, I guess I see that.
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:36 am

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In post 484, volxen wrote:
In post 458, Irrelephant11 wrote:lol two hours before deadline

The realllllly fun part is that we could lynch anyone with just the people online now

But prolly it'll just be volxen

Volxen if you're town do more than claim PR please, don't just disappear
I mean, what much else can I do with the time we have left? If I had gotten to L-1 with more time before the deadline there would be more time for discussion, but we are less than 2 hours away, and I'm not even sure if most/all of the players in this game will see my roleclaim before the deadline.

At this point, the only two wagons are Sesq and I. I think it's pretty clear one of us is going to be lynched. All I can really do at this point is ask you (and the others voting for me) is why do you think I am more likely to be scum than Sesq?

I'll concede that my entrance into this game wasn't stellar; there were more important things I could have addressed aside from GNB's statement about not townreading him for the math proof. But I have genuinely tried to gamesolve. And I have shared reads; Keyser is a townread for me, and {Huntress[2.718], Sesq, and Toranga} are all scumreads for me, which I elaborated on in earlier posts. Sesq, on the other hand, has never really had any reads that he has elaborated on. He started this game by going after Keyser, yet never made a coherent case against him, only basically saying that he is "detached from the state of the game". Then when I became a wagon, he sheeped Reundo's vote onto my wagon with no explanation of his vote. He hasn't really done much of anything, except sheep vote and make cryptic statements like "I'm going to make an unexpected wagon of my own" and then do nothing. He refused to defend himself at all against his own wagon, which in my view, is one of the most anti-town things you can do. After all, if you are town the only person you can be 100% certain is not scum is yourself, so you have an obligation to at least try to defend yourself against a possible impending lynch. And unlike my situation of becoming the leading wagon literally within a few hours of the deadline, he has previously been the leading wagon for a while, and he has had ample time to respond and defend himself, and yet he hasn't. He has also yet to make any original and recent scumreads of his own, except for his initial case against Keyser at the very beginning of the game.
This is a good case on Sesq if you're town and we'll keep it in mind. Any other reads/things you think town has missed?
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