Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

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Yeah I got tired switching back and forth with the alt and stuff so here I am guys.

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I want words from Gamma.

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Again... words from Gamma would really help here

With MathBlade not wanting to disclose their full role I'm still suspect of them too, but we need a lot more of the alive players to participate.

Unfortunately I feel like with this much separation everyone is gonna be holding off saying much which is why I was somewhat for a mass claim- FULL, with any partners if applicable. Then we just lynch those most likely to be lying. Either way we catch a wolf. Plus there isn't much reason not to mass claim - there are tons of rolls already outed and if we have town night kills, roleblock, and protections we can actually coordinate this. Especially since it seems like the MAJORITY of us need the wolves gone. So it's not even all that messed up to be Mafiate, like they just want to survive too.

Look at the win cons
Mafiate - All wolves are gone, 1 member left alive
Town - All wolves are gone, 1 human left alive
Vampire - All wolves are gone, 1 vampire left alive

I'm interested in what the wolves' win con is with the entire game against them seemingly.

Either way none of our win cons mention each other. Mafiate don't NEED to kill town. They just need to be here.

We could essentially call a truce and hunt wolves. Mafiate can cross confirm their partners. Any false claim would be exposed upon lynch and implicate their partners and make them targets for lynch.
"Oh GLOW, what if a Wolf claims to be mafia with someone else and blah blah blah- Obviously the person could counter and one out of those two is a wolf guaranteed."


I mean there are 10 of us alive.
Looks like 3? Mafiate
2? Vampire (this is a big question)

There's likely 3-4 Wolves.

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BTW

How bad are we at this that the whole game, in separate factions, is basically against 1 faction and we haven't hit a single one???

Like we need to overhaul this entire thing.

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I don't think the Mafia and 3P need to hide. That's why I immediate claimed upon replacing in. Our win cons aren't against town. It just makes it seem like we are. It's more of a mindfuck than anything else. That's kind of why I think the title is cheeky. IT literally says lynch the wolves like they knew this was going to be super distracting.

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The wolves OBVIOUSLY only have one kill. We could all win by protecting one another. They can't kill the entire faction in one night. All of us together still have more power to get at least 1 member of each faction to the end.

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thats a good point, he doesnt, normally. Still, the werewolves might have more info that there is like a mafiate faction hunting them or whatever.

Mathblade is pretty good at mechanical deductions, so I wouldnt put it past him to logic his way to it.

either way, him not knowing at D1, and him wanting to play a deepcover game - having more humans in there to guarantee the hood to keep working is only good for him right? Hide in plain sight and all that.

Err mafia is human too
And I've got other games but if you post stuff at me I can probably respond for the time being

The don't necessarily all have to be, considering there was a town aligned Angel (non-human). I'm assuming the same can be true for Mafia.

I dont even know how it works number-wise with a scum faction, a vampire, an angel and wolves.

I guess even oath -could- be a wolf or whatever, but I dont see how that would work.

What fucks me up wrt to multiball is mastina said this game was built using Alisae modding style as a reference right? Well Alisae hates multiball with a fiery passion, so that just fucks me up. So honestly, I have no real expectations for any sort of sense from this setup anymore.

Its not multibal

Its everyone vs the wolves, with survivor factions.

Mafia is a survivor faction with nightkills and a PT that can win with town

Vampire's are a survivor faction with nightkills that win with town

Angel is a reverse survivor that somehow needs to make others survive.

This is also why the Mafia/Vampires whomever need to claim. We do not want to lynch Mafia here, like what happened yesterday. Its anti-wincon.

I cannot kill. What makes you think Vampires can kill? What kill flavor is that?

I dont even know how it works number-wise with a scum faction, a vampire, an angel and wolves.

I guess even oath -could- be a wolf or whatever, but I dont see how that would work.

What fucks me up wrt to multiball is mastina said this game was built using Alisae modding style as a reference right? Well Alisae hates multiball with a fiery passion, so that just fucks me up. So honestly, I have no real expectations for any sort of sense from this setup anymore.

Its not multibal

Its everyone vs the wolves, with survivor factions.

Mafia is a survivor faction with nightkills and a PT that can win with town

Vampire's are a survivor faction with nightkills that win with town

Angel is a reverse survivor that somehow needs to make others survive.

This is also why the Mafia/Vampires whomever need to claim. We do not want to lynch Mafia here, like what happened yesterday. Its anti-wincon.

Vampires for one don’t shoot people
Two Lady Angel flipped mafia traitor who inherits a shot
Three Vampires such as myself haven’t killed and can’t kill

Why are you pushing mass claim on such bad spec?

Oh yeah that’s right you’re scum.

VOTE: Vecna

3 Vampires? How do you know this?

Im not worried. I want them to claim so we do not hit them with a lynch or with a nightkill. And I want to sort your freaking slot.

Vecna is scum trying to find all the humans to kill.

The proper way to do this is have someone go around and claim protective and if we don’t have any we can’t mass claim

Remember the wincon at least one human left alive

If there are 4 wolves then if only three humans left we lose
If there are 4 and a traitor then only four humans left we lose

Can we not game throw and just Lynch the scum wanting mass claim?

K thx bubye

I'm okay with this.

Im not worried. I want them to claim so we do not hit them with a lynch or with a nightkill. And I want to sort your freaking slot.

Vecna is scum trying to find all the humans to kill. The proper way to do this is have someone go around and claim protective and if we don’t have any we can’t mass claim

Remember the wincon at least one human left alive

If there are 4 wolves then if only three humans left we lose
If there are 4 and a traitor then only four humans left we lose

Can we not game throw and just Lynch the scum wanting mass claim?

K thx bubye

You should probably go read that vampire role pm of Oath that youre also claiming to have. Vampires dont give a fuck if humans live. Neither do Mafia.

More wolf slipperies.

Oh honey I have to have my food.

I require a human and a Vampire alive. I have to feed my minion.

YOU HAVE A MINION?! Unfair. Wait... is it me? Or is there another. You seemed to think there were 3 Vampires.

I require a human and a Vampire alive. I have to feed my minion.

Um no it just says a vampire needs to live, not a vampire and a human

That’s Oath’s

Mine is I have to bring a human to end game to feed Oath so we can suck on his juicy corpse and then have a nation of vampires.

WHOA IT IS ME.

But why do you have to feed me when I can feed myself?

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I am going to back off the mass claim idea though

REPEAT - NO MASS CLAIM

Considering that it seems as though even within factions we have different win cons. So although some of us can win together, it seems not all of us may have that motivation.

I am leaning towards believing MathBlade, but I don't know if that's just because I don't like being the lone Vampire and having a buddy is comforting. I need to re-read.

IS ANYONE FEELING LETHARGIC???

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Now please Oath.

Serve your daddy and we lynch Vecna.

His unprompted VT claim makes him scum.

Im really interested in hearing how youre still on about this. 2 Pr's have human villager confirming results on me.

Can you quote these confirmations please?

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Now please Oath.

Serve your daddy and we lynch Vecna.

His unprompted VT claim makes him scum.

Im really interested in hearing how youre still on about this. 2 Pr's have human villager confirming results on me.

Can you quote these confirmations please?

Hebichan claimed a PT cop and stated I do not have a PT
zMuffin claimed to use the seer ability on me N1, and stated I am a human

Sadly for me, one of the two is likely scum. Sadly for all of you, if that is indeed the case, that means you actually need to use your common sense to be able to divine my easily distinguishable town playstyle.

It's not easily distinguishable though.

It is very possible that you are a non PR anti-town role that doesn't have PR access. However, if I believe Muffin then I would have to agree that you aren't the best lynch for the day being a human even if you aren't town aligned specifically.

MathBlade- please clarify. Did you know that this slot was your partner?

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This conversation isn't happening, right?

What don't you like about the conversation?

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Math and Ank might be wolf.

I just re-read Math's ISO and I agree with Vecna and Gamma that the claim itself with that wincon is essentially shitty.

Math would have to carry 2 people AND HIMSELF? to end game.

Plus throughout the game you've attempted to remove my slot- now you're saying you were painting me as scum so that I wouldn't be a target for a night kill but now I definitely am if you aren't a wolf. It would make no sense for you to remove my revive AND claim Vampire. It basically ensures that we won't win. Because we're gonna get picked off as PRs against the wolves. Especially considering that I'm confirmed Vampire now and Gamma (who is pretty much confhuman) can attest to what my RolePM states.

You as a Vampire would have had to played the entire game with this strategy in mind as you targeted Keychain at one point and backed off. I just don't buy that you'd risk your entire game just to confirm me to 1 other person and out yourself. Especially when I said I'd be willing to die to confirm the existence of Vampires and hope that no other Vampires claim until necessary.

If you aren't a werewolf you played this wrong.

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You won't be losing because of RC... at this point it's because of yourself.

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To be clear: I don't care what RC has said about you. The way you've played doesn't make sense as a Vampire and if you're not a Vampire, you're a liar. Which makes sense only as a werewolf.

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does no one feel lethargic????

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Okay thats several posts...

I got an inconclusive result on my target last night and I want to give them the opportunity to explain. So if NO ONE is feeling lethargic I'll out my results.

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Kay so I'm waiting on word from the mod

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Okay well I targeted Gamma and if he isnt feeling lethargic that worries me because my result was inconclusive. It is a completely different message than Aronis and Hebi

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Haaaaaa I didn't know Gamma was Aronis..or at least it slipped my mind.

Still doesn't explain the weird result and the fact that Gamma didn't feel lethargic. Maybe I can't repeat targets?

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Aronis : Did not receive any abilities
Hebi : was unsuccessful
Gamma : inconclusive flavor that basically states no result

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ZMuffin
Ank
Vecna
Hebichan
Titus

Least to most scummy. To be honest I don't think it matter which one goes, we just need to coordinate the outed night actions

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Aronis : Did not receive any abilities
Hebi : was unsuccessful
Gamma : inconclusive flavor that basically states no result

Maybe ask the mod about it. I noticed some minor inconsistencies as well in VT's suddenly being named differently, maybe it was unintended

Now I'm just thinking it's because i targeted them twice accidentally

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I believe him enough that lynching him today is unhelpful

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It sounds to me like you hit a passive on hebi n2 and got blocked n3

Has hebi claimed that ability or are you just guessing

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Well i don't think I was blocked night 3. Im gonna ask about same targets since it's possible that night 3 was weird because I've already drained that slot and I forgot

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yeah I would think mafia or town could be human the way this is set up.

But since we need to lynch wolves it's irrelevant

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Look at all the flips again

Human is listed as an alignment and doesn't show up anywhere else in the PMs we have

It also doesn't show up in the mafia flip and the angel flip specifically says they are part of the green faction but aren't human

Mafia are not human.

Human isn't listed as an alignment but honestly this whole thing rubs me the wrong way

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So. Much. Rubbing.

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I'm just saying human wasn't listed as an alignment so if that's what you're basing this off of I'd rethink it

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Im sayimg that youll do yourself a disservice not acknowledging that mafiate could very well be human. Nothing indicates that they aren't. You're using the absence of a thing to prove the status of another and obviously this game is odd. Im just saying its not 100% guaranteed that mafiate cant be human.

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I mean the win con for human villager states they win when wolves are dead and at least one human member OF THE TOWN is left

This seems to cover both mafiate as possible human and non human town aligned roles. So Im not ruling it out.

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What are you basing that off?

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I'm saying human is likely NAI - so he could be either

This doesnt matter though because Wolves are definitely not human and those are the targets so Gamma isn't getting lynched.

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I am considering a hebi lynch because I'm concerned that maybe I cant drain Wolves. Which is why it was unsuccessful. Im pretty scertain now that my Gamma drain result was because that slot was the previous nights drain.

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My hebi result was different than my Aronis result. You mentioned a passive. I'm suspicious of whether or not a Vampire could drain a wolf at all.

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Oh and I would still be human because vampire lol

I can buy it.

No. Thats all wrong. Vampires are not human.

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I feel like this game is difficult because the flavor lends itself to centuries long folklore. Maybe we should just focus on what has been presented in the game and not our outside knowledge.

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Gamma is not the lynch today!
Gamma is human aka NOT WOLF
..it doesn't matter if that's human town or human mafiate...we need to lynch a possible wolf NOT a confirmed human.
Btw... told you lol

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What are we doing guys???

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just screwing around until we decide to lynch someone random

To be fair I think either way we got this.

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Thank goodness Ank is town

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@Math...How is Titus confirmed????

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that actually seems pretty likely

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I think claiming mafia at this point is safe for a wolf. So it's possible.

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We know mafia need the wolves gone too so it's the best claim other than vt to keep yourself lower on the list of lynches.

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Perhaps. Math is still on my radar just not for today's lynch.

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When?

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...

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Hey! I'm a comedian.

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Okay...

What do you call a narcissist with social anxiety???

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First off, you don't call millenials-you text

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@Math did you kill Vecna?

The kill flavor up to this point has been consistent. I'm not sure why all of a sudden it's DEVOURED unless another player performed the kill? Was Titus doing all the killing? Vampires could probably devour someone too which is why I'm asking you Math.

I don't want a muffin lynch this early no matter how confident I am in Nos. (btw if Nos is a wolf I have a personal issue flavor-wise with them being able to shoot a gun IT MAKES NO SENSE)

Obviously PoE leaves scum in zMuffin, Ankamius, and Toranga with Ankamius being the most town in that group - I drained Ank and received NO ABILITIES just to ease my heart <3

There was one person.

Hood can’t operate with one person.

Gamma was sucked out of the hood.

Exactly. I wanted to make sure Mathblade was going to tell the truth before saying anything.
If I didn't have direct confirmation glowball is what he says he is I'd be on his ass right now.

First of all, HER..
Second, but you DO have direct confirmation of my role so what is even the point of throwing shade my way? You know I am what I say I am. You got my role pm. There isn't any reason to muddied the waters. It does zero to help at this point.

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I literally said I didn't want a lynch this early and I asked MathBlade questions

SO CHILL NOS

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I care...obvi

And thats exactly why I want him to answer since youre set on shooting him which is odd considering you said Muffin is the lynch and Toranga should be next and if theres a 3rd then it's Math. When and Why did you decide to shoot Math over Toranga?

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Btw the game of mafia is speculative

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because if there's 4 scum the 4th is math

Okay, but why are you shooting Math and not Toranga FIRST. You said Math dies tonight. If we lynch zMuffin today - you're vigging Math tonight, correct? Why Math over Toranga? When you initially said you'd go after Toranga?

hurr durr the game of mafia is speculative

get the fuck out of here with that shit

NAH... I'm gonna stay here with this shit and some of that shit and more of whatever shit I want

like thats anywhere on the tier of "whats devour"

the fuck? If it were a town ability, it would have been claimed by now

Idunno if I believe that given that some people are scared to admit to kills especially when they're already considered the scummiest in the game.

I mean Nos let's not act like you haven't been wrong this game at all. Chill for a sec. I'm not going to rush this. If you wanna prod dodge until hammer that would be fine by me aka you don't have to keep pushing it Muffin is dying today. Just ignore the thread otherwise since it's meaningless to you.

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Yeah Nos ... but again why have you chosen Math over Toranga?

He's going to die yo u're just begging people to move along the vote for no reason other than you want it.

Look away. You've voted. Now the rest of us can decide at our leisure.

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I realise that

Okay so you agree that Math is a Vampire?

if so we need to lynch Muffin and shoot Toranga like the plan was supposed to be.

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I win when all wolves are dead and at least one Vampire is alive.

So excuse me for not wanting Math to die... no one else has flipped Vampire and my role pm leads me to believe there is more than one.

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Wolves will obviously have to take me out since I've been confirmed to Gamma and Math so my only hope is that we kill them all before they kill me. Math used up my revive.

They take a shot at me tonight, Nos vigs Math, and that's a loss for me. Not to mention if Math is a Vampire the human town is lined up to lose as well.

Nos has already said their mafia, and obviously people within certain alignments have different wincons so I have no guarantee that there are parts of Nos' wincon that haven't been exposed even if he's working with the town in mind mostly.

I want Muffin gone and Toranga shot. If that doesn't happen you're basically ruining my shot at winning when I sacrificed early on by exposing myself with the hopes that you all would work with me for the mutual win.

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How is it strange? Why are we shooting anything other than wolves? Why is Nos so happy giving you a win even if you ARE a wolf? That's strange. That's something you haven't had an issue with.
Either way, it doesn't matter how strange the post is, I HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED AS WHAT I SAY I AM. So the shade is pointless.

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Nos has already said they're mafia*

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^pointless.

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honestly glowball

I think you just lose unless you can block the wolf kill tonight

No, because Nos doesn't have to shoot MathBlade.

Nos can vig Toranga and IF there are 4 wolves (which hasn't been confirmed) THEN we lynch MathBlade

We need to kill in the order MOST LIKELY TO FLIP WOLF
Muffin
Toranga
Math

Titus is a liar, it doesn't matter what he claimed. Wolf lies.

I mean Nos said they are immune to supernatural, but I have no other choice but to try them anyway since they are going for Math for the kill tonight.

And if you and Nos are saying you're town and no concerned with me winning also I will deflect to wolves and give them the win. So lynch me and lose OR cooperate. I'm trying to win, but if I can't because of Nos I'm making damn sure I'm not voting the way he wants anyway

SO ATTENTION TORANGA, MUFFIN, and MATH
Nos wants you dead. Ankamius does not care about my wincon.
I'm going to lose SOOOOO
I don't care if you're scum- you guys choose the lynch and I will help you suceed. It's 4 to lynch. Let's go.

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I lose either way, right?

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Sure it is bizarre and if he's still around LYNCH HIM then

but the order of kills needs to be
Muffin
Toranga
THEN MATH

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I want Toranga and Muffin in here to weigh in

5980 is someone trying to fulfill their wincon- this is obviously no longer town vs scum. You guys don't care about our wincons SOOOOO this is where we get strategic

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hey glowball, another question for you

Has Mathblade tried to work with you about how to use your drain at all today?

No one has.

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I'm alone in this game really and since no one seems to care I'm going with the people that are at least not assholes about it

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hey glowball, another question for you

Has Mathblade tried to work with you about how to use your drain at all today?

No one has.

Wrong

I have.

You mentioned me needing to use it- that's not working with me

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I'm alone in this game really and since no one seems to care I'm going with the people that are at least not assholes about it

I've told you what you need to do in order to have a chance to win in a Mathblade-scum scenario

You have to block the wolf kill tonight or you lose

And who exactly is performing the wolf kill tonight?

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Oh god you asked glowball to drain NOSFERATU?

Yes I did yesterday. Oath didn’t respond so I figured that Oath wasn’t interested.

Supposedly immune, but I might attempt it tonight just because Nos is being stubborn and wants to shoot you first over Toranga

"Probably Mathblade" isn't a guarantee. So, again... there is a very slim chance of me winning when you and Nos won't listen to me at all.

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Could still be wolf

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Whats your wincon, Ank?

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Did you forget that glowball confimed last night that I don't have any abilities?

You said you felt lethargic. I don’t remember if Oath said whether you did or didn’t.

I received no abilities, but I dont get factional abilities

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There are 7 of us. You need 4 to lynch.

Do you realize that saying Math, Muffin, and Toranga are scum then that's almost half of the town already???

Even if you get Gamma , you need me OR one of them to bus and why would they essentially hand over the game?

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I've only resigned to losing because you guys openly say how little you care and that Im losing anyway

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Your idea of how I win is so heavily dependent on Math beinh a wolf.

EVEN IF HE IS HE DOESNT HAVE TO DIE BY NOS' HAND TONIGHT

That is what you arent getting. Nos said hes shooting Math because he doesnt trust us to lynch him. Ive already said Ill lynch Math if Im here tomorrow and hes still alive and the game is still going.

So why Math tonight over Toranga? Thats really all Im asking. Keep Math for the lynch tomorrow. Whar difference does it make if They're all scum?

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There are two scum in {math, tora, muffin}

the fact that you guys are legitimately reading math's posts right now have successfully convinced me that you guys lack the ability to lynch her

its just that simple

Okay well you're losing then. Just like meeee.

Yay wolves.

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My win con literally says I win when the wolves are gone. They dony have to go out of their way, simply being alive prevents me from winning.

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maybe you should exude a more masculine aura to stop me from making such a careless mistake

Unnecessary

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glowball

what does your drain do

Roleblocks and absorbs powers, non factional night active powers

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You've asked that way too many times throughout this game

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guess whats not a town aligned thought process

WE HAVE DIFFERENT WINCONS

...wow

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that was serious. ill shoot tor.

And if you don't?

Have we discussed why the wolves haven't killed Nos?

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and why are you still here, Ank?

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So Night 4 and the wolves kill Vecna and leave a highly townread Ank AND a confirmed vig in Nos...

That doesn't sit well

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At this point they would have to find you easy to manipulate, not JUST for having bad reads or voting wrong.

My problem here is that Ankamius could be scum. Highly town read scum, but I'm feeling it hard. I did at first with what seemed like buddying. Then I had to ask myself why am I alive. Yesterday I raved about Ank being town- somewhat thoughtfully, meanwhile Vecna made sure to consider that Ank could be scum. I think a scumAnk is okay with leaving a townNos and a townGlow that heavily townread them because there would be no pressure. That makes sense. You were really quick to assert that you were a confirmed non PR when I slipped in my night action claim too and I didn't like it.

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I actually thought Nos and I were on the same page and starting to over sell our town reads on Nos to hide that we both suspected you as scum, but obviously Nos does think you're town and I think that's going to be what costs us this game.

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one thing I will note is that you would be dead if both Mathblade and I were scum since we can stack kills on you

I don't know if I believe Math is scum anymore than you. I never said you had to be scum TOGETHER.

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You guys said my role sounded suspect. It didn't make sense. I was told that everytime.

Now I'm confirmed.

Obviously this game is sketchy.

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I didn't mean you specifically. I meant people in this game read my role as suspicious too so it's not like the same couldn't be true for Math's.

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Have we agreed to lynch Muffin and shoot Toranga?

That's all I've been asking for. Leave Math to the lynch tomorrow.

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hmmmmmm

GAMMA: how did the conversation in the lynch mob go last night?

You mean the night before that right? Since last night I was bloodsucked a second time

Last night you were blood sucked? Because last night I targeted Ank...

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So then my action from the night before worked on you? I'm just tying to understand what happened

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when I devour I get their role and alignment

vecna's one is confusing

so here is the spin, right?

vecna flipped VT to me

human villager with no powers, meaning he lied about being a vampire or something interfered with how my action was supposed to work

IDK, I didn't really care, sorry for killing town, won't get into this game and I'm extremely resolvable

hope math flips scum since he is doing garbage AtE, but you should NOT tell people who have gender dysphoria that they don't look masculine/feminine enough. I'm guessing nosferatu doesn't understand the stuff mathblade goes through and didn't mean anything.

How is VT a confusing role and alignment? Vecna claimed VT- not Vampire. Where are you getting that from???

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I shot the wrong fucking guy

Shot? Devoured doesn't sound like shot. Devoured is obviously non human flavor.
You're not claiming Vampire, the only other choice would be wolf.
Done.

Not to mention, you knew your role would janitor the target THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CLAIM BEFORE YOU KILL- it's an asset to the town to decide whether or not it should be used and on who.
And if you're going to janitor without consult then MAKE SURE YOURE AIMING AT THE INTENDED TARGET.

but i have to shoot you or globall will literally explode

I actually want Toranga lynched now.

This is basically what Toranga claimed:
They thought Vecna was ME aka a Vampire and fucked that up
They shot someone who they thought had fully claimed and was a "perfect" janitor target EVEN THOUGH they receive their role and alignment!?!?
- IF you receive role and alignment, it wouldn't matter as much because you could just operate as any other investigative and expose the role LIKE YOU DID ANYWAY.
So why not shoot at someone most likely to flip wolf and then out those results?! Because you MIGHT kill a townie? ...you did that anyway and if you were actually concerned with shooting a human townie you would have done your due diligence in knowing that I was the Vampire since it's pretty much the only thing I talk about. Not sure that I buy you thought Vecna was the Vampire. Not only that... BUT
They shot at a Vampire THAT WAS CONFIRMED - Math & Gamma confirmed my role- in no way at this point in the game would taking any non-wolf out be logical unless you're a wolf.
Finally... a janitor type role, even in this fucked up game, would need to go to the wolves... considering every "Faction" had to eliminate wolves they were at an extreme disadvantage.

I don't know what's funnier

The claim being legit and it being carried out in the most hilarious way possible

Or toranaga claiming a very wolfy looking kill as a werewolf

I honestly think it was just a poorly thought out claim brought on by the fact that I seemed understanding to the possibility of a non-wolf making that kill.

The ONLY things giving me concern is that why wouldn't wolfToranga just claim Vecna was a wolf since we have no way of confirming? And who are the wolf partners that let Toranga be this openly ridiculous?
That being said, obviously Toranga isn't paying very much attention and if there's anyone I'd be concerned with living who also has a very high likelihood of being a wolf it's Toranga.

I want that lynch today.

VOTE: Toranga

[glowball]

Prod dodge

I think Nos is scum

I dont think Nos is a wolf but I don't think he needs to eliminate them as part of his wincon

[glowball]

I'm not sure. If I believe your wincon then that means there's any number of convoluted wincons. Maybe he just needs to survive? I really don't know.

[glowball]

I'm not sure. If I believe your wincon then that means there's any number of convoluted wincons. Maybe he just needs to survive? I really don't know.

If you don’t know if he is aligned with you why are you okay with him living?

Because my wincon says to eliminate WOLVES. I don't think he's a WOLF.

I'm not gonna waste lynches on things that don't further my wincon.

[glowball]

I'm not sure. If I believe your wincon then that means there's any number of convoluted wincons. Maybe he just needs to survive? I really don't know.

If you don’t know if he is aligned with you why are you okay with him living?

Because my wincon says to eliminate WOLVES. I don't think he's a WOLF.

I'm not gonna waste lynches on things that don't further my wincon.

So does mine.

But if a player is gonna cause me to lose he is a wolf no matter what his alignment is. I think it is wolf but even if I didn’t think he was I still make this push.

As poetic as that is, it's not true. The game has rules. Just because he's not helping you fulfill your wincon doesn't make him a wolf. Obviously because he wants you dead that makes him a threat to your survival wincon, but that's why I've asked him to let us lynch you. If you're not a wolf killing Toranga and Muffin should end the game. If it doesn't, you or Ank are wolves and it's solely your fault for your terrible game play if you lose. Granted, that would mean that I lose if you aren't a wolf because if the game is still going and I'm alive and you're alive then I have to vote you just to keep my word to Nos.

[glowball]

And if you are town, and you think Ank and Nos aren't wolves then Nos isn't a threat at all -unless he decides not to keep his word which at the end of the day I have no control over but I'm trying here.

[glowball]

I mean if you think Nos is a wolf the push makes sense but it doesnt seem like thats your primary motive

[glowball]

First you're Devourer
Then survivor
Now VT?

I really hope you aren't town just for the sake of you contributing to screwing us because you thought lying would be fun for what reason?

[glowball]

Shame.. you should have just claimed survivor when you claimed that kill.

Scum team won't win because they seem towny, they'll win because they're not all morons.

Whatever gg.

[glowball]

he just screwed up by claiming the wolf kill

it's a lot more probably that it's the factional kill, they just also have a factional ability to janitor someone once

Why would he still be lying about being the devourer now though? He's lynched.

[glowball]

not everybody drops the act in twilight

That level of commitment is unnecessary.

[glowball]

Just to be clear.

I hate Ank and Nos in this game.

and for me to be a wolf would mean Gamma and Math are covering for me because they've seen my role and vouched for it.

[glowball]

plus I shielded you all game

HOW?

[glowball]

when did you attack glowball again?

To confirm Oath to the hood. Confirmed town is more important late game than a revive.

Not when you were the only one really advocating for my lynch...which you were

A town-aligned member who had a revive is an asset late game because it leaves a possibility of prolonged lylo.

[glowball]

Mastina has a lot of obligations... maybe someone should message her and inform her of the hammer?

[glowball]

What do you mean you have to "put your claim in the wolves"?

Survivor Vampire? If you leave the game how is that survivor?

[glowball]

I'm not saying I believe it, I just wanna know how far he's gonna go

[glowball]

Yeah.. that makes no sense considering I need at least one Vampire to be here. If you leave after fulfilling your wincon, then I can only win on my own.

Which again means I'm basically all alone.

[glowball]

So honestly if the game isn't over, shoot Math if you want Nos. I'm done trying to help everyone in the hopes that I can win too.

Obviously the chances are slim that I'm winning. Do whatever.

[glowball]

cause brian's pm states a team mate pretty specifically

and his iso seems to implicate me

so like whats your take on all of that

Yes and at this point if there is another mafia they should have come forward.

Nos is clear of wolfy things

I drained Math, but he knows that. He said as much at day start

Oath I am immune to your charms. I am Dracula. I know what you tried to do though.

If you're immune, how do you know what I tried to do? Are you claiming yet another undisclosed PR? And what do you have to say about the absence of a wolf kill?

[glowball]

Actually I don't even think this is necessary. I promised Nos I'd have no issue lynching Math if he kept him alive and the game is still going. Nos kept Math alive - thanks.

Math obviously knows I targeted him- which to me means he got the "feeling lethargic" message, but that message is actually only sent to those I successfully drain.
SO either Math was NOT immune and is lying about immunity OR He is immune and left that detail out of this ever changing claim.

That being said the absence of a wolf kill, combined with my drain does sort of point me to Math. I have been slightly suspicious of Ank, but for Ankwolf to no kill they had to be positive I was gonna drain Math and it would be an easy mislynch. The problem? Ank is still trying to game solve. In that if Math isn't wolf, I would just block the other. I like this plan, mostly given that it seems I cannot drain the same person twice. There are 5 of us- which means AT MAX there are two wolves - both Ank and Math would have to be those wolves...

SO
We lynch Math- he flips wolf, this should be game over (unless there's another wolf..only option: Ank)
We lynch Math - he flips wolf, this isn't game over? Nos shoots Ank- game over
If Math doesn't flip wolf, Nos shoots Ank - game over probably

The game is over. Math is a wolf. It's unfortunate, but I thank you all for allowing me to be here.

Also, look at the wolf team:
RC/Titus
Toranga
zMuffinMan

Who fits better? Math or Ank?

I'm sorry, but the amount of ridiculousness with these claims almost certainly guarantees they were not well thought out. Ankamius is smart. I wouldn't buy a Nos or Ank wolf allowing such foolishness to take place.

VOTE: MathBlade

And, if by some chance I'm off it's literally because Math couldn't just fucking play his role without all this extra shady bs

[glowball]

It doesn't really matter either way Gamma

Glowball just blocks whoever of us isn't lynched and that's that

Although if Math CAN'T be blocked, then lynching them and blocking me is the correct play instead

Glowball's block is delayed jfc

The only delay on my block should be on the PT- all other non factional night actions should be blocked same night.

[glowball]

Were you blocked from the PT or something?

[glowball]

Actually no he was active in the lynch mob right
Well I now think lynching ank is aleays the right move, as if we're wrong nos can just kill math and since math can't do non-factional abilities, nos can't be blocked.
Pedit: ok no then you messed up your role description

You have a copy of my role pm

[glowball]

Well I'm sorry if you don't feel I was clear. I'm pretty sure I put several times that PT blocks would be delayed. It's a very confusing role for me and I'm doing my best. : )

[glowball]

How exactly did you make sure scum would never kill me?

[glowball]

How exactly did you make sure scum would never kill me?

By pushing you as scum
People view me as an idiot
Scum thought I would mislynch you no reason to kill you
Then when finally Creature suggested lynching you
I hopped on that with an absolute bs reason to confirm you to Creature myself and Gamma.
Once you were confirmed you were nigh on untouchable for a mislynch
Then because of the other PRs I always made sure to make you look less good as a night kill.

If I recall you pushed for my lynch before Creature and harder. Knowing my revive was not good for lynches.

[glowball]

VOTE: Mathblade

Actually im completely done defending this slot. I have no idea why im even arguing around it, it creates way too much division in this game and we'll never get to any concensus on anything in the current gamestate.

Fullclaim pressure steamboat is a go

I already AM fullclaimed

The only reason this wagon exists is because I won’t claim everyone in the hood.

I countered Luna because of my hood. I didn’t think there would be another neighborizer.

Then RC fakes a guilty on Nova

Then RC fakes another guilty on me. A person with a hood.

It’s disgusting

I still haven’t gotten around to reading the thread due to the holiday but quite frankly I joined this game to have fun while I was having surgery. A light fun game.

This is right now none of that.

We should be lynching Titus especially since it was fake.

“Oh no!” Titus didn’t fullclaim I am just gonna forget I demanded that.

Furthermore my hood is ALREADY proven.

If I lied even once my hood would vote me.

The fact no one in my hood is saying I am lying should tell you all something.

This wagon is what scum WANT.

Oh right, I thought Oath replaced Gamma

Now how about someone fix this goddamn shit and we go to work on a Theta Titus or Oath or Vecna lynch

I would take any of those.

VOTE: Oath

Let’s do it.

Yeh, our wincon says we only need to eliminate wolves.

Gonna assume this game isn't bastard.

Of which Oath said he is not town
Replace revive with 1 shot BP
Replace vampire with werewolf

RC tried to mislynch me
Oath took up the mantle

This isn’t rocket science

I even mentioned exactly what Oath would do which was tunnel me and oh yeah it happened

Sorry, I'm only here to lynch wolves, not manage your town credibility.

OATH CLAIMED NOT TOWN = LIKELY WOLF
RC FAKeD TWO gUILTIES = WOLF

I fucking kill not town

Yeh, our wincon says we only need to eliminate wolves.

Gonna assume this game isn't bastard.

Of which Oath said he is not town
Replace revive with 1 shot BP
Replace vampire with werewolf

RC tried to mislynch me
Oath took up the mantle

This isn’t rocket science

Oh look Oath is claiming 1 shot BP “Vampire” shocking — NOT

VOTE: Oath

VOTE: Oath

SO what's going on? Are we lynching Creature or MathBlade because that's what needs to happen.

You or Vecna or Titus actually

You were the main one wanting me gone. You actually drew more attention to me unnecessarily. You think that kept the wolves from targeting me? Maybe, but that's a pretty big gambit considering the lynch could have gone through and you would have tanked both of our games. There isn't enough insurance in that policy. Not to mention you removed my only protection which WOULD HAVE KEPT THE WOLVES FROM TARGETING ME ANYWAY- I was a waste of a nightkill attempt. Wolves would have known that lynching me was the best option and who was going for that lynch? You.

Now throughout the game you've called for lynches on liars and people who haven't fullclaimed on request. In fact, you marked your honesty as reason to believe you're town. Now you're confirmed to have been lying about your role over and over again- to the detriment of town at this point. You've compromised my wincon and removed my revive. None of this is town motivated. It may not be wolf motivated, but it's not town motivated.

Because of that. I want you lynched. I don't care. If you aren't a wolf Nos just has to shoot Ank and guess what WE MOST LIKELY WIN. I mean... you don't, but I don't think you deserve it anyway tbh. I mean it sucks to say that, but as well as you think you played it, I disagree.

[glowball]

Why would we lynch Gamma... is Gamma a wolf now? Didn't you, yourself, confirm Gamma as human?

[glowball]

I mean shoot* Gamma...why would we do that?

[glowball]

Why would we lynch Gamma... is Gamma a wolf now? Didn't you, yourself, confirm Gamma as human?

He was only confirmed if he did something
You removing him removed the confirmation
Hood can’t operate with one person Gamma can confirm
So removing Gamma made him not confirmed.

You said the hood had to have at least one human... there was a night in the hood with just you and Gamma, correct?

[glowball]

Okay but if you were together last night then Gamma has to be human, right? Considering you're a Vampire and the hood needs a human.

Human =/= Wolf

and How does Gamma/Ank killing keep you from fulfilling your wincon exactly?

[glowball]

Even if that made sense...
Wolf aligned human is still not a wolf. :eyeroll:

[glowball]

Okay but if you were together last night then Gamma has to be human, right? Considering you're a Vampire and the hood needs a human.

Human =/= Wolf

and How does Gamma/Ank killing keep you from fulfilling your wincon exactly?

I need you and a human for feeding.

If Ank is town then Gamma has to be the scum
Nos can’t be human to be supernatural immune
So if Ank is town I lose.

Gamma can be wolf aligned human
Mafia had a traitor
Wolves should have one too.

I understand that this is your only play... If you maintain that you aren't a wolf then Gamma or Ank have to be. That being said, no one else has that perspective and your entire argument hinges on us believing you're not a wolf which you have done a terrible job of proving thus far.

[glowball]

The problem with this is, Gamma being a wolf-aligned human means he's not a wolf and my wincon is to eliminate WOLVES. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't really care about Gamma and Nos and whatever they're doing. It's between you and Ank and honestly, lynching you and shooting Ank helps fulfill MY wincon.

[glowball]

He's not sorting between us. That's the scumtell.

I did sort between you both.
I made a choice.
Waffling only gives scum purchase.

I have said what I did.

Wolf aligned human is a wolf.

That is a human that becomes a wolf on the full moon.

I made my choice

If you throw away a win and lose after I set it up for you I will be disappointed.

Where the hell are you getting this? Are you just pulling in outside folklore now?
When is there a full moon in this game?
I mean werewolves by definition are human that turn into wolves, so every wolf lynched is "human"... are you seriously..

nope.. nvm... I've voted. Convince someone else.

Oh wait. Neither Ank or Gamma is gonna self vote at this stage in the game as town or scum. You need me and Nos.

I don't think that's gonna happen man. This is a waste of time.

[glowball]

So I WAS alone the whole time

Well thanks for securing the mutual win guys

[glowball]

Glowball also pretended to waffle on Ank, Nos, and Math with a lot of AtE so they'd see the benefit of keeping me around for endgame once I was pretty positive that Math was a straight up LIAH

[glowball]

I did enjoy reading through the PTs and find that my style of play was not widely understood at all.

If I can explain...

The role I got was weird as shit. I did not initially want to believe I wasn't alone, so the claim and call for my own lynch was genuine. After most of the reactions came in I didn't see anything that actually had me convinced I had a partner so you me back off my own lynch and start pushing Math more and more- who let me just say I had pegged immediately upon replacing in.

I actively chose not to roleblock on a night and instead claim false results (I added and excluded details to draw out info and get people on spec) to divert attention to the possibility of another blocking/protective PR.

I had to AtE at the end because after Math used up my revive and I was confirmed there was literally nothing keeping the wolves from killing me, with so many people dead, except the possibility that I could be swayed. Hardcore calling for Math to be left until the final day ensured that the most active of scum thought they would have me pocketed and easily manipulated. Why would he kill a townie basically arguing against him being vigged? It was obvious Muffin, Tor, and Math were the wolves at that point so it genuinely didn't matter what order we got them in and that was basically what I was trying to get through to Nos- like just let me have this. Luckily it worked out, I blocked Math with no hesitation on the final night- trusting Nos to do his thing, but either way guaranting I saw endgame.

Done.

It was fun. I thought every night I'd be dead and yet, they kept me alive. GG <3

[glowball]

Also...I think confirming me to Gamma was probably not the way to go about it tbh. They could have just switched the performance of the kills.

[glowball]

I saw it- but if I acted certain as a confirmed "townie" they'd kill me for sure.

[glowball]

Congrats winners! Thanks for replacing into the slot Oath.

Np : )

Nos had really good reads but holy crap he is not diplomatic.

In the end I think he was quite considerate of what I asked. He didn't have to shoot Muffin over Math, but it was kinda nice he did.

[glowball]

Meh I think the only broken thing is unkillable IC Vig
Everything else I could have thought of something for

I just need to figure out how to explain something.

Just RC ruining my cred kinda killed this game. Between that and something I have to find the right words for I just was kinda blah

You seem hung up on this vig thing when in a game of this nature and in a faction of 2 that could have been falsed guiltied - it's not nearly as insurmountable as you're making it seem. It requires some finessing in terms of strategy because you would need them lynched BUT- we went a while into this game with no wolves being killed. You didn't have to kill Nos to win. You just needed to be the majority which you guys came really close to being at one point. The vig ultimately took down more of our numbers. I don't think that's broken I think it's kind of the only thing that really kept town in the game with this set up.