Open 734: Paris Mafia (13-player variation) - Game Over

[lane0168]

And ffs actually look at mine and Thor's exchange before you just call it flailing. I asked him why he thinks something. And he keeps just telling me what he thinks. But nothing about why. Because is meaningless and doesn't hold any water. Maybe if he makes me look like cap for no reason, he can cover it up

[Eragon]

Lane, you gonna self hammer and give A50 a heart attack?

Yes

VOTE: lane

Spoiler:

[Eragon]

See you in the dead thread on D3.

not D2?

[Jingle]

Nope, I'm too obvtown for scum to shoot N1 with a watcher in play.

:WIFOM:

[Eragon]

Nope, I'm too obvtown for scum to shoot N1 with a watcher in play.

:WIFOM:

:GASP:

on another note, do we get a pre-flip reveal???

based on what happened im worried this flips mime

[Kmd4390]

That's a lynch!

lane0168 - 7 - Fink, Jingle, Thor665, Eragon, Almost50, FA_Q2, lane0168
Almost50 - 3 - Nero Cain, RockyHorror, Sesq
Sesq - 2 - innocentvillager, GuiltyLion

Not Voting - Aristophanes

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

lane0168 was a

Mime.

Night 1 deadline is Wednesday September 5 at 5pm

[Kmd4390]

Almost50 was killed Night 1. He was a

vanilla townie

Sesq was also killed Night 1. She was a

Vanilla townie

Day 2 starts now

Deadline is Wednesday, September 12 at 5:30pm EST.

[Jingle]

Hats off to lane. That was played well.

VOTE: No Lynch.

I need to consider the utility of hypoclaiming compared to just outing incriminating watcher results.

I'd like to apologize to A50 for not realizing his plan until way later than I should have.

[Eragon]

i slept peacefully

well honestly both mime reads/scum reads for me are gone, so im actually happy with those Night kills.

[Eragon]

i personally feel hypo'ing would be a good idea, but it could also hurt more than help

[RockyHorror]

Wouldn't hypo'ing be more beneficial to scum?

[RockyHorror]

I'm not upset about the night kills as well, but I also was surprised to see Thor live through the night with how hard he was pushing lane over anyone else.

[Almost50]

Almost50 was killed Night 1. He was a

vanilla townie

Sesq was also killed Night 1. She was a

Vanilla townie

Day 2 starts now

Deadline is Wednesday, September 12 at 5:30pm EST.

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[Eragon]

{Jingle}
{thor, Rocky}
{IV, Nero}_
{Fink, Aristophanes, FA_Q2}
{GuiltyLion}


to explain the list itself.
Normally, when having good feels and stuff, id put the reads themselves, like town, null town, scum, scum lean, etc...
but right now im not that confident in any of my reads, so reading this you should just do it in order, so Jingle is my strongest town read, and guilty lion i my lowest read.

[Eragon]

Wouldn't hypo'ing be more beneficial to scum?

it could also give info if the watcher dies that we wouldnt otherwise get.

but i agree it could definitely hurt

[RockyHorror]

Eragon, why have Thor as a strong townread when he pushed so hard on lane?

[Eragon]

Eragon, why have Thor as a strong townread when he pushed so hard on lane?

because i dont feel he starts off the game pretty much scumreading 4-5 different people within the first page as scum.


i dont feel really confident at all rn, but even his push on lane felt natural

[Nero Cain]

well honestly both mime reads/scum reads for me are gone, so im actually happy with those Night kills.

y say this when you were scum reading GL?

Eragon, why have Thor as a strong townread when he pushed so hard on lane?

I don't feel like this is all that scummy?

[Jingle]

Not necessarily. Explanation to follow.

[Eragon]

well honestly both mime reads/scum reads for me are gone, so im actually happy with those Night kills.

y say this when you were scum reading GL?

i more or less had a null read on GL so killing 2 of my scumreads is good, because it means i dont push town and i can figure out who of my null/town reads are scum

[Eragon]

And ffs actually look at mine and Thor's exchange before you just call it flailing. I asked him why he thinks something. And he keeps just telling me what he thinks. But nothing about why. Because is meaningless and doesn't hold any water. Maybe if he makes me look like cap for no reason, he can cover it up

actually... this could be saying

"look at mine and thors exchange because he wanted me to get lynched"

[Jingle]

There's a very good chance that both the mafia and the mime were on A50 last night, in which case the information is mostly useless to us today anyway. Hypoclaiming there gives us the option of maybe getting another night of useful results out of the watcher without outing them before they can lead us directly to the lynch. Town players in this case would ideally be roughly split between 1 result on A50, didn't target A50, and 2 results on A50. The actual watcher can choose to hypoclaim early to allow others to double up on his claim, wait until later to see if someone guesses his results correctly, etc, which means scum wouldn't be particularly likely to guess who is right. On the other other hand, mime might be able to guess who the watcher is from this information, but they can neither aim for the watcher (two KPN hurts them WAY too much) nor communicate this to the scum (Scum want to kill the mime too).

On the other hand, if the watcher outs results now, vig has a pool of 2 people to shoot from, meaning we either hit mime tonight (Yay, we're playing a game with a vig vs. 2 scum, one of which is guiltied!) or we hit mafia (Yay! Mime is a known quantity and thus can't be lynched!)

I'm leaning hypoclaim myself, because regardless of claims we should be no lynching today and this leaves more room for Watcher survival without giving us the opportunity of Watcher dying to an accurate scumshot/inaccurate vigshot without giving us information.

[Jingle]

Almost50 was killed Night 1. He was a

vanilla townie

Sesq was also killed Night 1. She was a

Vanilla townie

Day 2 starts now

Deadline is Wednesday, September 12 at 5:30pm EST.

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Sorry, didn't realize you were VT crumbing until superlate. 443 was super nice though.

[GuiltyLion]

lane0168 - 7 - Fink, Jingle, Thor665, Eragon, Almost50, FA_Q2, lane0168

I think you have at least one maf on this wagon - I will state again that I'm pretty sure FA_Q2 is scum here

VOTE: FA_Q2

Mime is either gonna be in the early adopters (Fink/Jingle/Thor) or probably avoiding the wagon

I think hypo claiming is a bad idea - just gives away who is not the watcher - and if the watcher has any results then they should just out them now. I'm against no lynch as well, seems like that's giving way too much power of this game to scum

[GuiltyLion]

I'm not upset about the night kills as well, but I also was surprised to see Thor live through the night with how hard he was pushing lane over anyone else.

this feels like vig-fishing and empty shade - do you think Thor is lane's mime partner, yes or no?