Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

Shit wrong fallacy but logically flawed

Past results (me being scum in games) has no correlation to here because the role PMs were randomized at the start.

[MathBlade]

Sorry, when im universally townread my paranoia can reach sky high. Because i cant ever tell the difference from scum TRing me than town TRing me.

Don’t apologize for a good thing. Paranoia and reevaluating is good.

I would rather you reevaluate and build a case and be wrong than never reevaluate because that case can be used for reactions elsewhere and right now we are desperately short on reads conversations.

[MathBlade]

he will kill stungun because stungun was always unprotected that night and then he'll give a scum slot power instead

that is why you kill stungun

I said this days ago

Iirc BP was available that night however if you’re arguing that I am scum your argument is that I could kill anyone because SS but in that case why no obvTown death? Are you attempting to argue that I asked everyone to be BP took the thing that got around BP and then decided to not use it?

I have games where I have stomped, ask Drixx about Shadowrun, it’s the closest mechanically to this one except well I am town here, and what I did in a clearly protown setup as scum.

[MathBlade]

the game math is playing is infiltrating the towncore so he can pass along powers to scum

it's how you win this game as scum

Except it actually imho isn’t.

In this setup you want town to focus on town the entire time. If I had been scum and in this from the start I woulda swore off powers and just fake hunted. Then I would be perceived as not a threat. It’s why I think all the scum are in the PoE.

[MathBlade]

I feel like, if Math keeps using precog anyway scum can just sort him for us.
Also town math and me tend to clash on reads a lot.

AH DAMMIT I DONT EVEN KNOW.

I just want someone to tell me if im probably right or just flat out wrong.

I am town.

[MathBlade]

@sakura: look, the thing is, if I keep shouting about math it doesn't matter at this point and just antagonizes me and him. which, if he is town, really sucks. but if more people are feeling the same thing, then there's a good chance we're right.

look, didn't he just say if kokichi flips town then people shouldn't do my plan? you think kokichi is indeed town, right? and math is doing this v/w associative read with me and kokichi that doesn't even work just because it was the guy I was voting at the time. it's agenda driven bullshit you know?

What you’re doing here is a tactic I use as scum quite often.

It’s something I am actually trying to incorporate into my town games more often.

It’s the idea of planting seeds. You plant a seed that “what about this” gently. Then someone runs with it and then you “sheep”. You’re suggesting that I am scum based on nothing and seeing how people take it.

And that is why you ping me. You’re doing what I would do as scum.

[MathBlade]

OTOH if Math is scum here im not sure exactly what kind of game he's playing coz a lot of the mechanical stuff has been kinda anti scum. Math himself hasnt been able to use any powers due to using precog, so why did scum not kill him N3? Why did scum let me live N4 if Math didnt gave power to stun and instead someone else? Was it because of my 100% using SS BP statement?

A lot of these questions are popping into my head.

Because I am not playing a scum game is your answer. Go look at when Tor first suggested that I am scum today. It has a lot of reasons Tor ignored. Explore them. If you find incorrectly I could be scum after that, then you should be able to explain why.

[MathBlade]

let me explain to you very succintly why this sucks

1 - scum was elected leader on n1 and we don't know how many wolves got powers that day. we don't know what their powers are. we don't know who titus gave power to instead of ankamius.
2 - if scum slipped into the towncore as well, then they have a lot of powers by now and can absolutely fuck our "bombing plan" up in many ways.
3 - scum can negate, redirect, amplify or BP themselves against the suicides
4 - flipping everyone in a POE and then determine that whoever we don't flip is scum does not fucking work cause there will be situations where scum just WIFOMs the fuck out of it
5 - we are playing a horribly townsided setup where we elect a leader and we know the majority of players who got powers and which powers are those. we have informative, protective and other types of abilities that will always lead to a town win as long as we don't fuck this up. we benefit from playing slowly because we gain a ton of information every gameday. we control the abilities. we bulletproof our towniest people. nuking an entire POE that's actually way too big and could be wrong is the fucking worst plan ever.

so please the worst, you just stop this mate. I know you're bored with the game and want to nuke everyone. that's not the proper way to play this though, and I'm not gonna stand by it.

I'm especially not gonna stand by it when that was also FA's opinion and unfortunately she had to not be in this game anymore cause mathblade's AtE. which honestly is pretty disgusting if you're scum, math. I hope you're not. I think you might be.

Hang on a second here.

My AtE was not disgusting. First of all, you don't know me. And you don't know the IRL shit I have been through. Online and IRL I have been the victim of several IRL attacks. That post was after calming down a bit. FA was freaking out over being reported. There are site rules for a reason. Independent of my alignment (hint it's town) I am well within my rights to not just take threats to my life idly by for how I am playing a fucking game. There are disagreements. There will always be disagreements as this is mafia. I should NOT have to come online to see posting that makes me want to curl in a corner and hide. Even if I was scum (hint I'm not) I absolutely make the posting I have done with no regrets. FA IMHO completely understood that crossed a line and apologized. That may be cool where she is, but it is not cool on MS. I come here to play with friends. Not try to figure out whether a death threat is legitimate. I can take being called stupid, dumb, my plans idiotic. That's fine. That's why I opened them up to examination.

It's why I freaking suggested the town block that I helped suggest to Sakura in the goddamn first place take BP and SS so that way nothing short of a miracle could get through. Because I have faith in this town. Now as scum (which I'm not) why the ever lovingfuck would I make an army of confirmed town that I can't kill? I specifically devised that plan in mind so that scum would have to out that specific night and you could even fucking validate that I use precog that night. Like I understand paranoia, but calling me disgusting for that?

I have yet to see a case here or anything of the sort to interact with here at all. The reason we are in this state is because I am bending over backwards to make sure to try to be cooperative yet at the same time argue for what I think is best.

For me to be scum I would have to have a death wish:

A) Inextricably link myself to Titus despite "bussing" her ("bussing" is in quotes as it's literally impossible for me to bus as I am town)
B) Make sure everyone who knows my scum meta is unkillable so at any time they could “out” me if I ever repeat it.
C) Argue for a plan well beyond it’s “agreeable” point thus highlighting my slot
D) Willingly share powers the day before instead of saying "No! I need to be BP." or "Help me be protected".
E) Not anticipate all power avenues and sort them out accordingly. That's something I always do as scum.
F) Advocate for this specific block when asked about it multiple times by Sakura

Like I don't understand your case on me, I don't understand why you're suspicious about the bombs, and I don't understand anything you're saying and quite frankly each time I read it I feel like my brain is in a blender.

[MathBlade]

I am gonna check in after a brief nap but quite frankly the only valid point I see here is Sakura’s “I sound weird”

I have been putting in 60 hours of work each week nearly every goddamn minute of my free time has been in this game just to keep up
I got into a depressive state and you expect my posts to be “not weird”

Just like .....I don’t get it.

[MathBlade]

Then don’t.

I am going to discuss reads with everyone else since the plan seems settled.

[MathBlade]

That and I am being mechanics focused and trying my best to not tunnel because it’s all lurkers imho and being in a funk.

I am flattered. I have only done what I felt is right.

So imho we have a few other things to do today:

1) Figure out who is the lynch in a reasonable enough timeframe as to not allow for flail. I feel like we keep putting it off until deadline because of toys. (Yes I am somewhat guilty of this too but I thought we had a universal win with my plan so it wouldn’t matter)
2) Figure out a way to avoid cross killing without telling scum who we are shooting or accept the risk Sakura and Nero pick the same target. I think each should give a pool of like 3-5 people in it each with the person they would shoot without overlap. This way we get maximum use of the vigs. However I understand if we don’t do this because “ooooh math paranoia don’t do anything math suggests”
3) Make sure everyone clearly understands the plan for today. I am not sure everyone does and I would hate for someone to go off rails because it is not understood.

[MathBlade]

Mainly my would lynch pile is about a mile and a half long and none of those people are actually posting so I am thinking we remove a non poster today or a non entity.

[MathBlade]

For this reason I think we should lynch Hebichan or Nos or Kokichi today and see what reactions that garners. I don’t think there is anyway all of the apathy is town and it is a really good place for scum to hide. How to sort them? Damned if I know how so I am hoping discussion around them will cause some kind of reaction from scum.

[MathBlade]

Nancy I assure you I have my reasons. I did not “lose my role PM”.

Everyone here on Mafiascum thinks my town game is a piece of shit despite having several games where I have come close to namely the entire scum team or have found the deep wolf.

Petrify IMHO is still a vig. A vig I will never likely use but a vig none the less. The reason I took it was to take care of potential well entrenched scum in the townblock if any ever existed. I am regarded as stupid most of the time and it would have prevented another Titus situation. Seeing her red flip after all the ways imho scum tried to get out of it felt really really good and I wanted that to never happen again.

I took SS for the sheer reason I thought we would win the game if y’all went along with my plan. But as it sits now I am kinda glad we didn’t as Creature is kinda in the effort and I am super confused pile

[MathBlade]

Do me a favor and please quit having jokes at what I feel like is my expense. I get you think I am a snowflake.

I understand that people did not like how I handled the FA situation and I plan to talk about it more in post game but would really appreciate it if we could keep the discussion on mafia and playing the game.

For now VOTE: hebichan

[MathBlade]

what do I do with my salt then?

you know pregame me and FA were like "yay we can play on MS together now, let's join a game"

where is FA, math? WHERE IS FA?

Save it up for post game and yell at me in PMs and Discord.

[MathBlade]

Yelling at me about it is not helping town at all.

[MathBlade]

I'm joking but I am pretty upset with that.

Then take it up

WITH THE PERSON WHO THOUGHT IT WAS OKAY TO POST A LITERAL DEATH THREAT AND APPEND "IRL" TO IT TO MAKE IT REALLY CLEAR THEY MEANT IN REAL LIFE

.

Can we please stop talking about this and hunt mafia?

Make sure our vigs don’t accidentally cross shoot?

Try to figure out how to read the lurkers?

Like anything but this?

[MathBlade]

I appreciate you stepping in here Drixx as a person but this is for post game. Dwelling on this doesn’t help town. I want to get into why it was so destructive to me but this is not the time.

[MathBlade]

the only reason you two think is not ok is because you can't understand figure of speech. which is fine, we all have our things to overcome, but then if you know that about you and people point at things being figure of speech, just take their word for it.

FA uses "literally" figuratively everytime she uses "literally"

Tor again this is not helping.

Talk about lurkers or scumreads or literally anything else puppy dogs or cute kidden videos literally anything else

[MathBlade]

@Drixx How do you read lurkers?

[MathBlade]

@Tor please post the plan so everyone understands it tonight
There have been a lot of discussions recently so I wanna make sure we are all on the same page

[MathBlade]

@nancy: if you echo nero onto drixx, nothing happens because you can't echo power absorb. it's not a targetable action.

you can go drixx and protect math. it's a horrible use of your slot but alas.

I think the plan is
Sakura vigs in Pool TBD <if we list pools>
Drixx heals Nero
UFO minicries Drixx fo get one shot doc assuming it goes off
Nero suicides onto pool TBD <if we list pools>
Nancy echoes Drixx onto me
Sando echoes Drixx onto Drixx

I think this is the plan?

[MathBlade]

@nancy: if you echo nero onto drixx, nothing happens because you can't echo power absorb. it's not a targetable action.

you can go drixx and protect math. it's a horrible use of your slot but alas.

I think the plan is
Sakura vigs in Pool TBD <if we list pools>
Drixx heals Nero
UFO minicries Drixx fo get one shot doc assuming it goes off
Nero suicides onto pool TBD <if we list pools>
Nancy echoes Drixx onto me
Sando echoes Drixx onto Drixx

I think this is the plan?

Oh derp I am behind.

[MathBlade]

version 6.0 of the plan actually has me as backup leader and not nero cain

we vote ausuka with me as backup

ausuka uses phasing and takes sui

nancy... does whatever nancy wants to do, I'm done trying to convince her of what's best, but anyway she'll either use BP on herself or use power echo on drixx and protect another target

nero cain should take and use absortion instead of sui. that guarantees we'll have a backup doctor tomorrow if drixx dies.

drixx isn't in the powers so he'll just use doc on nero cain. that way we can have the absortion and the power echo working.

and then there's me and the 6th player. my initial plan was for me to use mimickry on drixx, take sui and then have someone using power echo on drixx to protect me next day when I sui. BUT, since nero is using power absortion, I don't need to mimic drixx. so maybe I'll just take and use sui that night? and if I die, I die. if I'm backup leader I won't do that, but if you're voting nero for it, I can just explode myself at night and hope the 6th player used echo on drixx-me and that worked. if I die I die.

so yeah the plan isn't set in stone yet because people want more docs tomorrow.

I kinda think since you are well townread you suiciding is a bad idea. We need people who care about this game to stay in it. Tbf its a main reason I haven’t replaced out yet. I think you’re better off taking it and holding it until Nero can heal you tomorrow or you take power absorption and so the chain can continue and then can protect people who don’t have BP that may obvTown later.

[MathBlade]

the only reason you two think is not ok is because you can't understand figure of speech. which is fine, we all have our things to overcome, but then if you know that about you and people point at things being figure of speech, just take their word for it.

FA uses "literally" figuratively everytime she uses "literally"

I'm the first person to point out that communication only via text carries only a tiny fraction of intended meaning. I'm relatively sure that nobody in this game actually intends to murder anyone else who is or has been in this game.

I'm also pretty sure there's a site rule that is very clear about where the line is, and it is therefore irrelevant whether or not someone actually was going to go murder someone else. Saying it at all is out of bounds. Period. Full Stop.

The sooner you accept that FA broke the rules and stop blaming someone else for the consequences (whatever they might be; I hope it's just water under the bridge and nothing happens but I have no control of that), the less you're going to be worked up about it.

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@Math: I think there's obviously scum in the lurkers. Want to be more specific? Also ... Nosferatu. Sanity check me on that? I'm seeing scum who knows the game is already over just shit posting at this point in that slot but ...

I agree with the scum in the lurkers. I planned in isoing the lowest level posters overnight. Give me a few hours and I can iso Nos and be a sanity check but it is literally a dime a dozen tbh to me

[MathBlade]

@Drixx will you be on later today?

[MathBlade]

Whatever the plan is we need to post it before the end of day so that way everyone understands what we are doing.

Pedit: Okay then I will take my time to make a big long post then on Nos before I go to bed tonight. Mainly if you were gonna be definitely on it would be worth it in real time but mainly we need someone to post “this is the plan” before Hebi is hammered. This way we don’t accidebtally shoot ourselves in the foot here.

Pedit: Nero Drixx stop please
Let’s focus people. Plans and who we are lynching first

[MathBlade]

UNVOTE: hebichan

we don't even know what the plan is yet. we do need to coordinate this.

Sakura Vigs. That much is clear.
Asuaka takes suicide bomber and uses phasing.
Nero takes power absorption and Drixx heals Nero

^^ I think these are set.

@Tor agree?

[MathBlade]

I already know neither of you are sane. :/

There's no need for any more shit like this man. Just quit with the personal jabs already.

Aren't you the same guys that was "joking" with me but I can't joke?

My first comment to you in this game was in regards to your play. The joke was that because you have 100% of the time scum read me when I was town in games we played together, a scum read from you is like an endorsement. Notice how that has to do with your play? I mean ... you took it personally but it wasn't aimed at YOU.

You asserted that both Mathblade and myself are insane. Notice how that has to do with us as people and nothing at all to do with our play?

Do you realize just how ironic it is that you took an actual obvious joke personally but don't seem to see any problem making actual personal attacks and hiding behind "it was a joke!"?

By the way: you might want to check yourself. Having a go at someone who doesn't understand social cues and has exposed themselves enough that you know it (Math being an aspie), especially about their

sanity

... that's not a good look man.

Oh god please just stop. Like please. Like this can happen post game. I need you to help Tor with the plan. Right now I don’t trust myself 100% and would really want you to work with Tor and Nero. I get they are saying things I disagree with and I am really trying to hold myself back. For the good of the game post game PLEASE

[MathBlade]

So then we have a few other actions to figure out. Mainly you Nancy Asuaka and Sando (assuming he is the sixth) we need to have a plan for. If I recall correctly Asuaka was taking suicide bomber and phasing?

Pedit you are mimicrying yeah?

[MathBlade]

nero as backup is actually ok if he is doctor. we lose a potential vig but we win a guaranteed doc at night.

pedit: my plan was to take sui and use mimickry. it doesn't have to be on drixx anymore as nero is already "checking" that his own way. I can use this as a weak cop thing like I've been.

Cool then cop me or someone you are suspicious might go rogue or someone who is a lurker. I would prefer one of the first two but the latter is understandable.

Yeah I think Nero backup leader makes most sense because he takes PA.

[MathBlade]

For this reason I think we should lynch Hebichan or Nos or Kokichi today and see what reactions that garners. I don’t think there is anyway all of the apathy is town and it is a really good place for scum to hide. How to sort them? Damned if I know how so I am hoping discussion around them will cause some kind of reaction from scum.

I've brought up the fact that I think Kokichi bussing and not trying to look towny subsequently doesn't seem to have any scum motivation. What do you think about that? And if you do tonereads what do you think of Nosferatu's tone?

I think that is the wrong way to read things in a Titus game. She is a master of wine. I think trying to figure out Titus’s strategic plan is probably who to find is scum. I don’t do tone reads I look more for consistency or logical coherency. If I understand it and it matches your quality of plan you’re town. The few people I do do townreads on I know outside of game and that is how I build it. It’s not impossible it takes more time. I look more at word choice instead of tone.

good luck this afternoon creature!

why do you hate me though

Why do you think Creature hates you?

He didn't want me to be the leader. I'm 99.99% sure he's hard townreading my slot like everyone else is; if he isn't you would think that he'd speak up about it when if I'm scum I could win because people tr my slot. So he doesn't want me to be leader because he thinks I'm doing something wrong that makes me bad town and therefore a bad leader; I don't think there's any reason you'd oppose a townread to be leader other than that. I want to know why he feels that way.

UNVOTE: hebichan

we don't even know what the plan is yet. we do need to coordinate this.

As I understand it I need to vote Nero Cain for leader, use phasing on somebody I scumread who is part of the general scumpool, and take suicide bomber as my power.

+1

we're all crazy cause we're playing mafia on MS

let's move on to other subjects

what does me/nancy/6th does at night and who are we electing as 6th?

On the subject of the 6th, I think Creature and Drixx may be options to consider outside of Sando? Depending on how people feel about said slots.

To be more coherent my reads rn are like this;
{Ausuka, Nancy Drew, Toranga, Nero Cain, Sakura Hana}
{Drixx, Creature}
{Sando, the worst}
{Kokichi, Nosferatu}
{Mathblade, Theta Alpine}
{Gamma Emerald, hebichan}

I am thinking Drixx probably has a high kill value for scum.

I wouldn’t make him sixth.

[MathBlade]

Gonna be AFK mostly today guys got called into work.

So fun times. Will maybe have time tonight if lucky but end of day is right when I carpool

[MathBlade]

Hey I am on dinner break from work. What did I miss?

[MathBlade]

Skies is on. Quick spam the thread b4 lock

Why would I spam the thread when I need to catch up?

Speaking of which wanna do me the honors of summarizing what I missed?

[MathBlade]

hebi got lynched, tor tried to stop the wagon. maybe a lil' bias

Why did Tor try to stop the wagon?

[MathBlade]

Last I remember Tor was scumreading Hebi? Did something change or did Tor say why?

[MathBlade]

2nd thoughts and flip flop king

Interesting *muses*

I am not sure what to make of that.

[MathBlade]

Nero what if I said I thought Tor was a deep wolf?

[MathBlade]

on a scale of 1-100 how annoying is my spamming?

About 25 since most of it is actually content and not spamming

[MathBlade]

If he got caught is he really a deep wolf?

Because he is majority townread I would say that qualifies yeah.

Do you think Tor is scum?

[MathBlade]

Tora's ability to flip flo his reads knows no equal.

better than having shit reads

but aren't flip-flopping reads shit reads too since they equate to no reads at all?

they don't equal to no reads and they're all based of evaluating posting and explained thoroughly. I'm not sure on hebi, I'm not sure on anyone.

So in other words no reads that you’re confident in = no reads.

#logic

[MathBlade]

https://www.amazon.com/Colorful-Fashion ... 4734794567

Hey guys check it out.

I found a picture of Tor’s non existent reads.

[MathBlade]

@Nancy stop stealing my job.

I am supposed to mess up vote counts every game XD

[MathBlade]

Nero what if I said I thought Tor was a deep wolf?

That probably means he’s town.

No offense.

I doubt that.

When he makes posts they make no sense.
When he makes stances he just takes them back.

Mark my words. Tor is a deep wolf.

[MathBlade]

Any questions before my dinner break is up?

[MathBlade]

I do think Hebichan is a wolf but your actions do not make sense to me so associatives cannot be drawn.

[MathBlade]

@Nancy stop stealing my job.

I am supposed to mess up vote counts every game XD

So, it’s not just your reads then? Good to know.

When Tor flips scum question me then.

Oh wait. You can’t because you’ll be stuck in an old clock scum put you in?

[MathBlade]

my actions make no sense to you huh?

so did I just explained I fucking metadived the fucking slot and concluded her wolf game is different?

did I explained that shit a bunch of times yet? did you just pick up on absolutely nothing I did and just rolled with lolnerocain saying I'm "flip flopping" and therefore wolfy?

explain how my change of mind wrt hebichan "makes no sense". please math I'm begging you.

also why is hebi a wolf, huh? I don't remember your hebi read.

Hebi is a wolf because she is in the PoE and exhibiting the patterns I would expect of a PoE’d scum
Come out only when desperate contribute nothing fade away when wagoned.

You have said you have done those things but I know hebi scum meta and this is it. Sooooo yeah doesn’t make sense

[MathBlade]

like even if Hebi were a mislynch it wouldn't put us anywhere near lylo so your "town gonna lose!" just seems like fear mongering b/c town saying that seems totally irrational.

+1

I gotta go.

[MathBlade]

Sees there are many pages since leader announced

VOTE: Real Life

Will read later

[MathBlade]

you don't understand how math being leader incriminates you? that's rather incredible.

I think scum stuffed the ballot box to screw me over :/ I just started reading on my lunch break...and I am just ...fuck :/

It’s kind of a brilliant plan.

Use a scum factional to fuck with my precog and then another to make me leader.

Then town mislynches the only healer and scum coast forcing me to have to vig scum tonight.

Like damn.

[MathBlade]

yes

and gamma says he voted nero

I have no idea what's going on

Factionals. Scum framed me. Then again I think you know that don’t you?

Scum are playing on the fact you dislike how I interacted with FA and hoping you will lead the charge against me.

[MathBlade]

Tor why did you break the plan you yourself created?

[MathBlade]

If Gamma Emerald voted for Nero, then the only possible conclusions are:

1.) {Sakura, Tora, Nancy} are the remaining scum and they were able to make Math leader by outvoting {Ausuka, Gamma} as Math would not have won a tie.

2.) Scum have a factional ability to force their choice of leader.

That is pretty much the entire possibility space.


As far as finding out if today is MYLO ... the only realistic way to do that is to try and lynch Math ... but with GE having claimed to vote Nero, it seems impossible for Math to be scum here. We know there's 3 scum left. You can't vote for yourself. Math needed 3 votes to become leader. That's pretty much a clear.


So what explanation best fits what we see?

It seems unreasonable for scum to get even a 1-shot leader override because the whole point of the leader slot is the person has to be townread by a plurality. That subverts the mechanic. It's inelegant (but not, of course, impossible).


If we discard a scum factional ability to install leader of choice, then we're left with {Tora, Sakura, Nancy} -- Using Petrify on one of your own team is a pretty ballsy gambit but it could absolutely be what we're seeing and if it is, it might even work. Nancy is clawing tooth and nail to be left alive to heal Sakura (which obviously scum if they use petrify on one of their own they're going to want to undo it once the person has the desired "Town" tag attached to them for being petrified). And then we have both Tora and Nancy spewing and going after one another, which is classic scum theatre.

So umm ... {Tora, Sakura, Nancy} is the answer I think.

My brain hurts and I wanna read this tonight and examine more in depth. I just feel like Swiss cheese atm or just raw.

[MathBlade]

I think people being loud is the problem not the solution. :/

[MathBlade]

sheep me Drixx

I don't need to. We both got to the same conclusion by different routes. The fact that there exists two different reasonable ways to end at "Tora scum" is pretty damning.

And Nancy literally just scum claimed.

Then I have a harebrained idea. I wanna review what you posted first to see if it makes sense

But Tor scum makes sense with how I have scumread him all game and he kept wanting my head yesterday.

[MathBlade]

but I'm town reading Math too based on mechanics. Math needs 3 votes and assuming he can't vote himself there was only two scum that could vote him or he's not scum and all 3 scum voted him. Right?

Since you were off the mislynch, Math could only be leader over you by getting more votes. Even if you had been on the mislynch you would still win ties because Math was leader previously.

My only other thought is that scum have a factional ability of

Mind Control: Target another player. You may move their vote once before the end of the next Day Phase. You may change its position by PM'ing the Mod (me).

that works on the leader votes, idk.

I really think that scum only has a kill as a factional ability. It otherwise breaks the entire point of the setup. Earn a plurality of votes to gain powers for you and whomever you choose.

I don’t really think that is the case Drixx.

Mainly because it forces town imho to play antiwin con to do anything. Plus if they don’t give powers to the townread then it is a scum claim. With all the good powers and circle jerk potential scum have to have something.

[MathBlade]

Mainly if scum only had the kill then playing UTR scum is entirely invalid playstyle.

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I think we got so focused on breaking the setup we forgot to scumhunt

@The worst I am thinking Tor with his omgus after I suspected him
He reads like “Fine. You didn’t take my mislynch yesterday. What about now?!?!?!@

He to this day hasn’t tried to case me or answer the questions anyone calling me scum I said would need to answer.

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like if

{

Ausuka

, Sakura, Gamma, Tora, Nancy}

these 4 voted for me then I should be leader. So not everyone voted me here.

Tora bombs today or eats rope.

I think he just eats rope period.

If my theory of scum factional abilities is right that either scum always get a power or that powers are not always attached to the scum player who has them then Tor would be able to petrify and scum doesn’t have suicide bomber. He would claim “healed” by the echo he dictated on that spot so no one echoed him as he hit Sakura as that would be a dead give away.

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Nancy would be locked up to the heal Sakura gambit and iirc Petrify says target another player.

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VOTE: Toranaga

I will be so fucking escatic if this flips red.

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but I'm town reading Math too based on mechanics. Math needs 3 votes and assuming he can't vote himself there was only two scum that could vote him or he's not scum and all 3 scum voted him. Right?

Since you were off the mislynch, Math could only be leader over you by getting more votes. Even if you had been on the mislynch you would still win ties because Math was leader previously.

My only other thought is that scum have a factional ability of

Mind Control: Target another player. You may move their vote once before the end of the next Day Phase. You may change its position by PM'ing the Mod (me).

that works on the leader votes, idk.

I really think that scum only has a kill as a factional ability. It otherwise breaks the entire point of the setup. Earn a plurality of votes to gain powers for you and whomever you choose.

I don’t really think that is the case Drixx.

Mainly because it forces town imho to play antiwin con to do anything. Plus if they don’t give powers to the townread then it is a scum claim. With all the good powers and circle jerk potential scum have to have something.

Except no they don't because we saw power negate and petrify go off last night and we were operating under the assumption that only one possible scum had snuck in under Titus the night Ank died, but what we observe tells us differently.

And of course the fact that you are leader means that at least two people were in the very trusted group tasked with ensuring Nero was the leader if Ausuka got killed during the night.

The entire way the game has played out demonstrates that the setup rewards scum for fooling town. (Which is the actual basic point of mafia; consider mountainous for example. This is a themed powered setup which effectively mimics the basic game really well in terms of what it rewards and punishes).

Who claimed to be negated? I missed that.

Even if so, it could be quite possible that it is freezing and petrify which means Nancy takes freezing and Tor takes petrify.

We have been operating under assumptions that Titus as scum killed to give a power to someone in the PoE. It could have just as easily been Tor. Mainly the kills seem to serve a narrative until this moment.

Furthermore fooling town is just one way to play scum. The other is to just let town eat itself alive.

I think we are in the former but I know really good scums who do the latter. Forcing scum to not play UTR is weird.

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I voted Ausaka last night, not Nero. Wasn’t I supposed to do that?

because she was supposed to dayvig safely and Nero was supposed to be the backup?

Nope, you were supposed to vote Nero, it was pretty clear.

Can you please stop being an ass while we're at it, you're either scum or don't understand the gamestate, either way you shouldn't be being an ass towards people.

No, I’m very sure it was Ausuka, which I did.

Stop fucking insulting me or don’t fucking talk to me!

I don’t have to listen to this. I did what I thought I was supposed to and more to help town in this game. I totally don’t fucking deserve any of this crap.

The vote assignments were repeated a bunch of times. You literally have no excuse. If you are town (which I seriously doubt), then you didn't pay attention at all and you have severely hurt town.

I mean ... I assume this is just scum theatre but if you flip green then you need to pay attention post game because I'm pretty sure the whole town is going to have some critique for you. You don't get to freelance and do your own thing and then lash out at other people like it's their fault.

But again ... I'm PRETTY SURE you're just scum here so ... nice ATE.

Drixx if Nancy is scum what you are doing is not helping.

Furthermore Nancy if scum with Sakura has to use HT to save her lose lose
Nancy if scum without Sakura has to use HT to save her
Nancy if town and Sakura is town win win
Nancy if town and Sakura is scum lose lose

Mainly we only have issues if Sakura is scum and if Nancy is scum with Sakura scum are down a PR.

So I am thinking Tor needs to be the lynch in that case because Tor would have to be the one to petrify Sakura.

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Pretty much Nancy if scum is leashed especially if Tor is red. Then we have like no petrifies tonight in Tor/Nancy/Sakura.

So Nancy’s action would speak for itself in that case and we reduce KPN by lynching Tor.

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So the smart play here imho is lynch Tor and then evaluate Nancy based on the actions given.

If she is scum and refuses to use HT on Sakura then we do not eliminate the person with Petrify because scum planned this out. Surely scum would account for Nancy having to use HT.
If she is scum and does actually do it and there is no petrify then Nancy is still outed.

Mainly if Nancy is scum she has to keep the person doing the petrifies alive and per your theory the only person that can be is Tor.

So rather than arguing with scum and trying to put a leash around them just make them accept the consequences.

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VOTE: Toranaga

I will be so fucking escatic if this flips red.

The only thing I don’t understand if he he used a bomb, why is nobody dead?

Then you understand a hell of a lot more than me.
How exactly am I leader pray tell?

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So the smart play here imho is lynch Tor and then evaluate Nancy based on the actions given.

If she is scum and refuses to use HT on Sakura then we do not eliminate the person with Petrify because scum planned this out. Surely scum would account for Nancy having to use HT.
If she is scum and does actually do it and there is no petrify then Nancy is still outed.

Mainly if Nancy is scum she has to keep the person doing the petrifies alive and per your theory the only person that can be is Tor.

So rather than arguing with scum and trying to put a leash around them just make them accept the consequences.

You're literally arguing for the same thing I am. Nancy needs to heal Sakura. Like right now.

I am actually arguing something slightly different but very close.

I am arguing that the leash is already there. Yelling at scum generally just makes a thread toxic. So if Nancy is scum then yelling at her to do something is the wrong play. Furthermore Nancy very likely could be bringing scum back.

Furthermore if we lynch her today then we still end up wrecked by petrifies based upon the prior argument. I am arguing the leash is present but in a different place.

Pedit: Why would you be taking scum’s word they were negated?

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unpetrify sakura, nancy

If Math is the one who petrified Sakura and all signs point to that, then you know I am powerless to heal tomorrow. Do you really think scum!Math doesn’t petrify again tonight?

I am the only one who can reverse this? What if scum has an echo? Then, there will be 1 NK and 2 petrifies. Don’t you honestly think it better that I wait until we can safely lynch him?

I will obviously do what town wishes but I honestly don’t think it’s the best plan for town, to have their healer powerless to reverse any possible petrifications the following night. We can’t kill Math now, which we could have had you waited until either no lynch, night or the following day to use your bomb.

So, if the majority actually think my healing Sakura now and being powerless tomorrow is best, I’ll of course do it but I won’t be able to reverse any more possible petrifications until D7, at the earliest.

It's irrelevant when you do it. You're making a specious argument here. You're literally arguing "Scum could petrify TWO MORE tonight AND KILL SOMEONE, so you guys should let me leave someone petrified until AFTER all that happens".

Time to put up.

So let's assume that dying removes your vote.
So let's assume that Petrify removes your vote.

They don't.

And from a later quote neither does death. So we now have FOUR votes for Nero, with Nancy supposed to vote there and playing dumb and pretending she didn't know she was supposed to vote nero. That gives us a pool of: {

Ausuka

, Tora, Gamma, Nancy, Sakura}

Literally the entire scum team has to be in that pool or else Math couldn't be elected leader.

Ausuka plus any two others in that list and there's only two left who could have voted for Math. Vote would be Nero 3 and Math 2.
Ausuka plus one other and then it's Math 3, Nero 2.

This heavily implies that Math is town.

p sure you were supposed to vote me. @Nancy

She was. I don't buy the act that she didn't know that. I doubt you do either. It took her WAY too long to claim she voted elsewhere. Pages after I had already put her in the pool of voting Math repeatedly.

Math doesn't win a 3v3 tie against Nero because of the tie rules.

So let's assume that Petrify removes your vote. That leaves {Gamma, Tora}.

Math still can't be scum because Math needs THREE votes to get elected due to losing ties against Nero.

Petrify does not stop the vote, I just confirmed with mod.

So we have 3 "claimed" votes for Nero in Gamma, Tora and

Sakura

(we just kinda have to assume town aren't stupid and will follow the plan at this point).

Scum voting for town can't even beat that, so there absolutely MUST be a liar in those 3.

See above. Sanity check the logic please.

So let's assume that dying removes your vote.
So let's assume that Petrify removes your vote.

They don't.

@Drixx, Petrify isn’t a day action.

I never said it was.

Nancy would be locked up to the heal Sakura gambit and iirc Petrify says target another player.

All I know is someone has petrify and it was only available Days 3 and 5.

It’s not me obviously, so someone other then me picked it on D 5. You are the only one to have actually claimed it.

I took HT on D3 and Echo last night.

How do we know that you took HT on D3 and echo last night? You so far haven't healed Sakura and we literally can't know whether you took echo.

I can prove either one but not in the same cycle, as long as scum doesn’t negate or redirect me.

I said I’m willing to heal Sakura but I’m far more worried about not being able to heal any possible petrifications the following night

, which if echo is available, we could have 2, since we don’t know if scum has that or freezing or something else. So far all we have confirmation of is Petrification. No evidence of either some form of vanillaizer or echo yet but scum likely probably has at least one of those powers.

But what does it matter? If you can only heal ONE person today/tonight/tomorrow then it's irrelevant if they petrify 2 tonight. It doesn't change how many times you can heal. You should therefore heal Sakura now so we know for sure what Sakura did during the night.

Except if Sakura is scum we wouldn’t know?

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Okidokes so we have 2 confscum in:

Ausuka

(including for completeness sake, piss off with your comments, I even colour coded it for you)
Sakura
Gamma
Tora

We also have a 3rd scum either in the above or outside.

We have one conf!town in Math who is also leader.

Tora has claimed to have suicide bomb, so get Tora to bomb Sakura/Gamma? Can't fail to hit scum with it. Refusal to bomb should be seen as a scumclaim.

Where did you get this list from and why is Nancy not in it?

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I voted Ausaka last night, not Nero. Wasn’t I supposed to do that?

because she was supposed to dayvig safely and Nero was supposed to be the backup?

Nope, you were supposed to vote Nero, it was pretty clear.

Can you please stop being an ass while we're at it, you're either scum or don't understand the gamestate, either way you shouldn't be being an ass towards people.

No, I’m very sure it was Ausuka, which I did.

Stop fucking insulting me or don’t fucking talk to me!

I don’t have to listen to this. I did what I thought I was supposed to and more to help town in this game. I totally don’t fucking deserve any of this crap.

The vote assignments were repeated a bunch of times. You literally have no excuse. If you are town (which I seriously doubt), then you didn't pay attention at all and you have severely hurt town.

I mean ... I assume this is just scum theatre but if you flip green then you need to pay attention post game because I'm pretty sure the whole town is going to have some critique for you. You don't get to freelance and do your own thing and then lash out at other people like it's their fault.

But again ... I'm PRETTY SURE you're just scum here so ... nice ATE.

Drixx if Nancy is scum what you are doing is not helping.

Furthermore Nancy if scum with Sakura has to use HT to save her lose lose
Nancy if scum without Sakura has to use HT to save her
Nancy if town and Sakura is town win win
Nancy if town and Sakura is scum lose lose

Mainly we only have issues if Sakura is scum and if Nancy is scum with Sakura scum are down a PR.

So I am thinking Tor needs to be the lynch in that case because Tor would have to be the one to petrify Sakura.

Sakura can’t be scum. God people use your freaking brains. Why the fuck does scum petrify arguably the most widely read townie, if she’s scum? In what world does this even make an iota of sense?

If Sakura can’t be scum to you, why haven’t you healed her yet? I find it intriguing.

Pedit: Assume Gamma Or Nancy is scum. What makes them required to tell the truth?

I am still thinking lynch Tor is the gameplan for today.

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woah when did this turn into pharaoh mafia?!?

MathBladeBot lacks context. Link me please?

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Pedit: Assume Gamma Or Nancy is scum. What makes them required to tell the truth?

Nothing...that's literally my point, that scum are clearly lying about who they voted, and 2 of them are in Gamma/Sakura/Tor.

Then come vote Tor with me.

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I have to go home but Tor imho is the lynch today.

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Pedit: Assume Gamma Or Nancy is scum. What makes them required to tell the truth?

Nothing...that's literally my point, that scum are clearly lying about who they voted, and 2 of them are in Gamma/Sakura/Tor.

Then come vote Tor with me.

Why not get Tor to blow himself up within the 3? Or get him to refuse and thus conf!scum himself?

What does lynching accomplish better?

Lynching Tor today likely stops the petrifications. If he is scum and does have suicide bomber he likely has some sort of protection especially if everyone followed the plan.

The problem is we are having trouble getting scum to do what we need which they won’t. It’s against their wincon.
So we have to lynch the scum most likely to have petrification and imho that is Toranaga. He likely isn’t going to blow himself up. My suspicion is he can’t and if the two Tor is the threat. Because when scum made me leader they probably didn’t count on Tor having to call his bluff.

Plus if it is Tor Sakura and Nancy we run into KPN issues and that I might have to start petrifying myself and we don’t get flips. I need to run the numbers for this scenario here.

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I have to heard home but Tor imho should be the lynch.

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@Drixx help me do a KPN? I need to plot some shit out.

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@Drixx help me do a KPN? I need to plot some shit out.

I already pointed it out earlier. Worst case (given what we know) is a kill plus echoed petrify.

We're now at 11 which makes it 8v3

If we mislynch it's 7v3

A kill plus 2 petrifies would put us into LYLO and we would have to nail the scum with petrify.

You didn’t do one if Sakura is scum?
What is it like if Sakura is scum and Nancy doesn’t heal and I petrify or kill her instead?

I am thinking lynch Tor I petrify Nancy here and she doesn’t heal so we just win?

Assuming it is Tor/Nancy/Sakura. If not then it is just Gamma yeah?

I am kinda not wanting Nancy to heal I think?

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@Drixx help me do a KPN? I need to plot some shit out.

I already pointed it out earlier. Worst case (given what we know) is a kill plus echoed petrify.

We're now at 11 which makes it 8v3

If we mislynch it's 7v3

A kill plus 2 petrifies would put us into LYLO and we would have to nail the scum with petrify.

You didn’t do one if Sakura is scum?
What is it like if Sakura is scum and Nancy doesn’t heal and I petrify or kill her instead?

I am thinking lynch Tor I petrify Nancy here and she doesn’t heal so we just win?

Assuming it is Tor/Nancy/Sakura. If not then it is just Gamma yeah?

I am kinda not wanting Nancy to heal I think?

Sanity check me please Drixx?

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math why are today's powers not matching what you said they were?

I don’t know.

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@Drixx help me do a KPN? I need to plot some shit out.

I already pointed it out earlier. Worst case (given what we know) is a kill plus echoed petrify.

We're now at 11 which makes it 8v3

If we mislynch it's 7v3

A kill plus 2 petrifies would put us into LYLO and we would have to nail the scum with petrify.

You didn’t do one if Sakura is scum?
What is it like if Sakura is scum and Nancy doesn’t heal and I petrify or kill her instead?

I am thinking lynch Tor I petrify Nancy here and she doesn’t heal so we just win?

Assuming it is Tor/Nancy/Sakura. If not then it is just Gamma yeah?

I am kinda not wanting Nancy to heal I think?

I mean ... yeah. It's Gamma's claim that handed us the PoE tools.

Then vote Tor with me. If we lynch Tor Nancy then can’t heal Sakura.

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math why are today's powers not matching what you said they were?

I don’t know.

why are you not even concerned about it, scum?

I am concerned about it however some things I know I cannot find an answer for so asking them is literally pointless. I am guessing a scum factional.

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@Drixx

Vote Tor with me please.

I have an idea of who should get powers and I don’t want to out that to scum.

Primary leader candidate is Drixx and backup is Sando.

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VOTE: Nancy

Also Tor/Nancy, you're both toxic AF.

I can handle Nancy.

Nancy if scum is newb scum. She will not outwifom me.

Please. Work with me here Sando.

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@Drixx

Vote Tor with me please.

I have an idea of who should get powers and I don’t want to out that to scum.

Primary leader candidate is Drixx and backup is Sando.

If you kill Tor today you need 3+ candidates since more petrifications in play.

My petrification stops Nancy’s actions and Sakura is stone.

What petrification would I be worried about?

Look at the power. It stops actions.

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@Drixx

Vote Tor with me please.

I have an idea of who should get powers and I don’t want to out that to scum.

Primary leader candidate is Drixx and backup is Sando.

If you kill Tor today you need 3+ candidates since more petrifications in play.

My petrification stops Nancy’s actions and Sakura is stone.

What petrification would I be worried about?

Look at the power. It stops actions.

Petrifcation will stop petrification coming from your target? You sure about that? Killing someone typically doesn't stop them killing.

I'm also only sure of Nancy+Tor, Sakura is only a probable.

If I use my SS mine can’t be blocked or modified. So Nancy couldn’t stop me. So she is taken care of 100%

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alternatively, scum can have a saying in what goes or doesn't go as abilities the next day

if there was mod error, there would be a mod announcement. you can't assume mod error to clear math for this.

The Dream Weaver announcing mod error would be indicative of me using the power and thus make me an unkillable IC.

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@Drixx

Vote Tor with me please.

I have an idea of who should get powers and I don’t want to out that to scum.

Primary leader candidate is Drixx and backup is Sando.

If you kill Tor today you need 3+ candidates since more petrifications in play.

My petrification stops Nancy’s actions and Sakura is stone.

What petrification would I be worried about?

Look at the power. It stops actions.

Petrifcation will stop petrification coming from your target? You sure about that? Killing someone typically doesn't stop them killing.

I'm also only sure of Nancy+Tor, Sakura is only a probable.

If I use my SS mine can’t be blocked or modified. So Nancy couldn’t stop me. So she is taken care of 100%

Ummm...BP doesn't stop petrify, it's not a killing action.

Nancy petrifies Sando
Math petrifies Nancy

Both Sando and Nancy are petrified tomorrow.

So then I have Nancy taken care of.

I don’t want Tor helping Nancy through this night.

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@Sando btw that is also wrong

Nancy petrifies no one
Petrifies stops submission of actions

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I don’t want Tor helping Nancy through this night.

Ok

1) We're lynching EITHER Nancy or Tor, neither can help the other
2) Tor just bombed, he has NO POWER tonight. Nancy refuses to heal, she's trying to both preserve her power to use tonight and avoid the fact that she doesn't have heal.

Lynch Nancy today, Tor will blow himself up tomorrow, and we're left looking for another scum.

Again that is not the right play here. Look please. Scum tried to frame me for a reason.

They don’t want me in control of petrify.

The right answer is I petrify Nancy so she can’t raise Sakura and we lynch Tor.

We don’t know what factionals scum have and Nancy not healing here screams possibly newb Town.
I would rather petrify Nancy and then use HT if it comes up and is needed.

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Then vote Tor with me. If we lynch Tor Nancy then can’t heal Sakura.

Because Tor can't use a power tonight, since he just used bomb. Nancy almost definitely doesn't have heal and has petrify from N3 instead, so we're just left with what the 3rd scummer can do.

Yes I do and I keep on getting fucking attacked for insisting on both doing what the majority wants and for insisting on double doc.

If Math is town, then I only need one doc, unless he gives power to scum and they pick it and redirect one doc. They can only redirect one of them. That’s my point. So Sando, UFO? Drixx? want me to heal withoit assuming me of protection? Why wouldn’t scum kill me tonight - whomever they are, when I am the only one who can reverse it?

Will I get guaranteed double doc AFTER I heal? Yes or no? And do the majority want me to do this?


YES

or

No?

Just fucking do it. Otherwise I am petrifying your ass.

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"I will only heal sakura if I'm promised protection" that's, what

no town thinks that

They do if they are the only protective.

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dont petrify me

dont do it please, I need to flip

I'm town

I need to flip town so you can kill math

Lynch Tor petrify Nancy.

Problem solved

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"I will only heal sakura if I'm promised protection" that's, what

no town thinks that

They do if they are the only protective.

she has to heal sakura, period. bargaining with town is frankly pathetic and no way nancy does it unless she is scum or like, really unhinged.

With a game like this.
Really unhinged is an option.

However you are confscum

We need confscum bodies flipping now

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dont petrify me

dont do it please, I need to flip

I'm town

I need to flip town so you can kill math

Lynch Tor petrify Nancy.

Problem solved

This literally lets scum Tor+Nancy use an extra power...WHY MATH WHY?!

NO IT DOESN’T

Petrify stops the submission of actions!
Read it!

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Petrification: Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

I just petrify Nancy.

We keep her alive in case she is unhinged town and HT comes up later. I am 99.99999% sure on Tor.

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This literally lets scum Tor+Nancy use an extra power...WHY MATH WHY?!

b/c Math is REALLY bad

Nah. Math is correct. Being petrified stops submission of actions. Petrify Nancy and lynch Tor is a viable way to go. That also probably leaves us in solid position if Gamma is scum who stepped in and claimed to have voted Nero in order to implicate others in the vote list {Sakura, Nancy, Tor}

Killing doesn't stop killing under NAR. Why would petrify stop petrify?

Look at the FAQ
Petrify isn’t killing
Petrify is a roleblock+ It’s like a forced commute don’t post stuff don’t do shit.

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This literally lets scum Tor+Nancy use an extra power...WHY MATH WHY?!

b/c Math is REALLY bad

Nah. Math is correct. Being petrified stops submission of actions. Petrify Nancy and lynch Tor is a viable way to go. That also probably leaves us in solid position if Gamma is scum who stepped in and claimed to have voted Nero in order to implicate others in the vote list {Sakura, Nancy, Tor}

Killing doesn't stop killing under NAR. Why would petrify stop petrify?

Nancy heals Sakura so can't act tonight. The petrify hits before Nancy could use another action.

Or we can stop talking actions because Nancy clearly has her mind made up about things.
I give her the ultimate protection in petrify and pray HT comes up later.
We lynch Tor.

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I'm town
I voted nero cain
I mimicked nosferatu and got nothing
I got sui bomb and blew theta alpine up

that's it. I did what I said I'd do and math is leader somehow.

Except you said you were gonna mimic Drixx
You have a day unaccounted for
And you blew up outside instructions
You literally did the opposite of what you said/should do

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There's nothing to stop scum petrifying Sakura tonight anyway, other than negate which also stops heal. This whole line of discussion is just so fucking asinine.

That’s what I’ve been trying to say. But by tomorrow night, we’ll hopefully know whether Math is scum, especially if I heal. I trust Nero in this game and if he tells me to heal, I will.

He already did!
Omfg

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I think you should unpetrify Sakura.

@Nancy

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Math/Drixx are right about the petrification resolution, Nancy's wouldn't go off, I checked with Mod.

I also asked what happens if two people target each other with petrification and explicitly didn't get an answer.

If I am petrified to petrify Nancy I just pray there is HT.

Tor is the right answer.

I have been fighting for his lynch all game.

Sando please. Just trust me rather than spamming something over and over to Nancy.

I got this.

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Tor is the right answer.

I have been fighting for his lynch all game.

Sando please. Just trust me rather than spamming something over and over to Nancy.

I'm ABSOLUTELY not letting Nancy get to EOD without healing, it's just flat out not happening.

The fact that you're against the heal is just pinging me so hard right now.

I am not against it.

I have been quoting her to do it.

I have been saying it is irrelevant. I can take care of her either way.

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I am afk for the rest of the night.

I have the flu. I am completely unable to keep up here.

I really think we lynch Tor.

Good night.

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@Nero - I think it's exactly what it looks like. Scum throwing a frame up on Math. It nearly worked.

Tora wants to live too badly and if he's alive I am forced not to act tonight for fear that my BP or FG gets echoed onto him and he can blow another town up without himself dying.

I think Tor is the lynch. If he does somehow flip green, then Gamma is the lynch tomorrow.

Leader votes should be split between you and whomever you trust the most.

I can just suicide bomb whoever of the two we don’t lynch because of immunity

I am puking Drixx Nero leader choices imho

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I prefer Drixx and will vote there

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Drixx/Nero obvious leaders tonight.

Drixx/Nero/Sando/Creature/Kokichi for powers? We need to leash Math imo still.

With 1 scum alive I think they can still petrify+kill potentially?

Drixx voters - Sando, Nero, Math, Creature, Gamma
Nero voters - Drixx, Kokichi, the worst, Nos

Drixx and Nero should both take goo and use it I think, no-one else does anything.

I agree to powers list

I plan on SS suicide bombing whoever of Tor/Gamma isn’t lynched since that should be gg
I plan to vote Drixx

Can I go to bed now?

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Drixx/Nero obvious leaders tonight.

Drixx/Nero/Sando/Creature/Kokichi for powers? We need to leash Math imo still.

With 1 scum alive I think they can still petrify+kill potentially?

Drixx voters - Sando, Nero, Math, Creature, Gamma
Nero voters - Drixx, Kokichi, the worst, Nos

Drixx and Nero should both take goo and use it I think, no-one else does anything.

I agree to powers list

I plan on SS suicide bombing whoever of Tor/Gamma isn’t lynched since that should be gg
I plan to vote Drixx

Can I go to bed now?

As long as mod confirms that a person who echo's your bomb onto Nero/Drixx gets goo'd, sure. If not, might not be wise to bomb.

Goo isn’t available today I don’t think?

[MathBlade]

Drixx/Nero obvious leaders tonight.

Drixx/Nero/Sando/Creature/Kokichi for powers? We need to leash Math imo still.

With 1 scum alive I think they can still petrify+kill potentially?

Drixx voters - Sando, Nero, Math, Creature, Gamma
Nero voters - Drixx, Kokichi, the worst, Nos

Drixx and Nero should both take goo and use it I think, no-one else does anything.

I agree to powers list

I plan on SS suicide bombing whoever of Tor/Gamma isn’t lynched since that should be gg
I plan to vote Drixx

Can I go to bed now?

Is this the plan? If so I wanna submit the powers list so we can do this

[MathBlade]

I have a long ass day at work after spending my night ill

I want confirmation this is the goddamn plan and I will submit my list tonight

For the love of moderator do not fucking hyperpost again

[MathBlade]

Drixx/Nero obvious leaders tonight.

Drixx/Nero/Sando/Creature/Kokichi for powers? We need to leash Math imo still.

With 1 scum alive I think they can still petrify+kill potentially?

Drixx voters - Sando, Nero, Math, Creature, Gamma
Nero voters - Drixx, Kokichi, the worst, Nos

Drixx and Nero should both take goo and use it I think, no-one else does anything.

I agree to powers list

I plan on SS suicide bombing whoever of Tor/Gamma isn’t lynched since that should be gg
I plan to vote Drixx

Can I go to bed now?

Is this the plan? If so I wanna submit the powers list so we can do this

I submitted Drixx/Nero/Sando/Creature/Kokichi/myself as the team.

[MathBlade]

Can we please make sure the mod receives my power list before hammering?

[MathBlade]

I did I just like confirmation

And furthermore your argument of “I don’t know what scum has” makes literally anyone scum to you yet you tunnel me for all eternity

Your red flip will be sweet AF

[MathBlade]

you guys saw mathblade was using the "come to the dark side, we have cookies" avatar, right?

HE THOUGHT HE WAS OUTED. and then drixx happened LOL.

???? I haven’t changed my avatar in years and would not do so in an active game. Like wtf?

[MathBlade]

Shit that means I can’t give out powers if Kokichi is scum or scum with echo is still alive.

[MathBlade]

Don’t fucking hammer til we figure this out.

[MathBlade]

Wait no we’re good nevermind

[MathBlade]

I kind of think that Math needs to use precog actually. The reality is that I don't think it's reasonable to assume Math will be able to blow anyone up tonight. As much as I'd like to assume that Math can blow up Gamma so we eliminate the current POE before tomorrow starts ... there's way too many scenarios where we show up tomorrow and Math and Gamma are both alive.

@Math: We have breathing room. You need to precog. At that point (assuming you're town because that's the highest probability atm) scum will add more evidence to you being town by using extra actions that shouldn't happen or else they will not be able to or choose not to in order to keep your status in doubt.

At this point with 2 scum left, we have every reason to use mechanical advantages and no reason to YOLO it up in here.

If I precog you realize I cannot kill Gamma yes?

I can do one or the other not both.

[MathBlade]

you can kill gamma as a day action tomorrow just fine, mathblade.

you should do it.

I am talking with Drixx not scum thank you very much.

[MathBlade]

And I am fully aware that I can do it during the day but Drixx was specifically testing me at night what I do.

If I precog that test is invalid.

[MathBlade]

you can kill gamma as a day action tomorrow just fine, mathblade.

you should do it.

I am talking with Drixx not scum thank you very much.

yes but you can still kill gamma tomorrow. you're saying you can't, but that's false because your sui will count as next cycle's action, while precog will count as this cycle's action.

I am saying no such thing.

I am saying that if I precog Drixx’s other test is invalid.

[MathBlade]

no one should use suicide bombing at night because scum can have power echo, yes? it's definitely not a good idea.

I imho should be using suicide bomber to remove conf scum and testing me.

If scum have and want to use power echo to confirm me as town we still have plenty of breathing room if they do.

We have eliminated one scum today that would have had negate or echo more than likely given when Nancy was given powers.

If you’re asking me not to shoot someone who imho is confirmed scum that requires a fuck ton of explanation

[MathBlade]

Furthermore assuming Tor flips red that is a second. Gamma would necessarily be the third.

If Tor somehow flips town which I find extremely unlikely we need to have that check of me to everyone.

So respectfully no I shouldn’t precog Drixx.

[MathBlade]

If Tor somehow flips town which I find extremely unlikely we need to have that check of me to everyone.

If Tor flips town somehow then I can't see Gamma/Math not having at least one, possibly two scum in it. I'd rather you suicide bomb Gamma tomorrow w/o protection at that point I think.

I agree with Sando here if Tor flips town
And if he flips red I vig Gamma at night.

I have been screaming Tor scum for the longest time.

I am going to kill confirmed scum tonight. Imho it is gamethrowing otherwise.

If I eat rope tomorrow for it so be it.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore assuming Tor flips red that is a second. Gamma would necessarily be the third.

If Tor somehow flips town which I find extremely unlikely we need to have that check of me to everyone.

So respectfully no I shouldn’t precog Drixx.

the check on you is by you voluntarily flipping yourself with gamma tomorrow. that's what sakura did today. that's the townplay.

No it fucking isn’t. I 100% know scum is between you two.

Therefore I kill you ASAP.

I understand you guys don’t know that but I do.

I am not precogging.

[MathBlade]

@Tor you realize I could have just agreed with Drixx’s stupid plan and made something up and then we lynched you anyway if I was scum right?

Stop saying because I don’t do idiotic things I am scum. It’s just false

[MathBlade]

If not precogging so can bomb tonight, why not bombing today so we can adjust our lynch to it?

I don’t have a suicide bomb or I would

[MathBlade]

Furthermore assuming Tor flips red that is a second. Gamma would necessarily be the third.

If Tor somehow flips town which I find extremely unlikely we need to have that check of me to everyone.

So respectfully no I shouldn’t precog Drixx.

the check on you is by you voluntarily flipping yourself with gamma tomorrow. that's what sakura did today. that's the townplay.

No it fucking isn’t. I 100% know scum is between you two.

Therefore I kill you ASAP.

I understand you guys don’t know that but I do.

I am not precogging.

If there IS a scum ability to force install a leader, then it's actually quite possible for there to be zero scum in {Math, Tora, Gamma}

So no you cannot proceed as if it's a certainty. It's highly probable but that's not the same thing as certain.

Give me time to think about this because quite frankly if scum have that it’s really fucking stupid. I want time to think through whether that should even impact what I do or we just assume that that can’t be the case.

[MathBlade]

if scum had the power to change the actions like that, we wouldn't even have precog in the first place.

and why would scum give us suicide bombing and elect town!math to get it? makes no sense, drixx.

Scum you thinks I am an idiot along with the rest of MS. Take advantage of a mod error then make me leader and watch everyone squirm.

[MathBlade]

I have a work meeting then out with friends. I am NOT making this decision without thinking it through.

[MathBlade]

HT
Mind Shield (seems like it stops mind control)
Goo
Tracker
Siren’s Call
Super Strength

Precog list

I am at work for today and RL much of the next won’t be able to keep up.

[MathBlade]

Good luck last villain.

I have a LOT to say post game to people but I feel saying anything now hurts my last buddy.

[MathBlade]

The one thing I feel I can say without being detrimental to the win con is that The Dream Weaver did not make a mod error and has been amazing all game. I feel bad I couldn’t counter the theory. It runs contrary to wincon. I spoke with The Dream Weaver about it and he was cool. I just feel it’s not fair to him his name was dirtied.

[MathBlade]

Did not to my knowledge*

[MathBlade]

So anyone want any pictures of laughing cats?

[MathBlade]

http://www.lolcats.com/popular/51791-ta ... skers.html

Anywho if anyone has requests on not buddy indicative fun posts I can do to make the mood cheery I am all ears.

[MathBlade]

Math I'm putting QL plan together now since you're going to bomb someone and we should force the issue, save me the trouble?

What does QL stand for?

[MathBlade]

Math I'm putting QL plan together now since you're going to bomb someone and we should force the issue, save me the trouble?

What does QL stand for?

Quality

Quick Lynch

If I took suicide bomb I would submit the request before actually posting as to make sure quick lynching was impossible but if I didn’t take suicide bomber quick lynching seems like a viable strategy.

[MathBlade]

So any lolcat requests?

[MathBlade]

Mine are derpy enough.

I'm off to bed, I'll vote Math in the morning, if he was going to submit the bomb he's done that already.

Give Drixx a bit to unsubmit any hero team he might have inadvertently done.

Oh I did submit if I had one. Just need the mod online if I did.

I just figured I would try to make the game more fun for everyone.

[MathBlade]

I said try to make the game more fun. That doesn’t mean playing against win con ;)

Up to you guys what you do after I am dead either by bomb or lynch. I will be rooting for my last buddy.

[MathBlade]

I said try to make the game more fun. That doesn’t mean playing against win con ;)

Up to you guys what you do after I am dead either by bomb or lynch. I will be rooting for my last buddy.

[MathBlade]

So I hear there is all sorts of good music on YouTube?

MS needs a theme song help me pick it out?

[MathBlade]

[MathBlade]

[MathBlade]

lolcatting scumblade is the best scumblade<3

Got any suggestions? I am a DJ up in here

[MathBlade]

Enjoy!

[MathBlade]

tyty

Ywyw

[MathBlade]

Got any song requests?

[MathBlade]

[MathBlade]

[MathBlade]

you know
for a lousy scumfuck you are the best
<3

<3

Any song requests Creature?

[MathBlade]

It’s a song that inspires me when I feel people don’t understand me.

[MathBlade]

There’s one inspiring to me mwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[MathBlade]

Gg all I am tired

I had written something a few times to go here but I hated how it sounded

I am taking a break from MS for a while after this

[MathBlade]

I only picked players to make sure something will happen. IDR what though. And I only chose players from a list that would make that happen

math picking petrify that night was so scummy

Lol no it isn’t. Petrify is was and always will be a flipless vig.

I commented on why in dead chat.

Just because it isn’t what you’re used to doesn’t make it scummy.

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other than nancy was obvscum d1 etc.

(that's not me bragging about a read, that's me hating the fact that I gave up a very strong correct scumread for shitty reasons)

Just to point out,

Nancy actually played really damn well this game, having a playerlist of this caliber and not only surviving for most of the game but also being locked town for a good chunk of that survival time is a very impressive feat for sone's first ever scumgame. I'd be very proud of this game.

Going to mostly agree except for her usage of personal attacks as a way to get people to back off. The faked confusion about things was really good though. It took awhile before she slipped up and outed that as being fake, and at that point she knew she was a sinking ship I think.

Nancy did really good here. She took a lot of tips and made them her own.

[MathBlade]

I also called nancy scum right after that and math went and started pushing my read and then me right after that.

It was the turning point of the game.

I think the turning point was much earlier or later on depending on context.

[MathBlade]

And yes I said again I have a special personality that makes everyone think whetever I'm saying is me being an aggressive defensive person but I was pretty much debating your ideas about this not defending myself from anything.

I tend to posit things in fairly blunt factual terms and separate from my actual opinions, which freaks people out.

You can read dead thread around Day 7 when I'm explaining why Math is mechanically town and everyone is freaking to fuck out . I knew Math was scum, I was simply explaining the mechanical reason that he wasn't.

In hindsight it's a massive scumtell from Math and not from you to be that defensive. Math obviously thinks pretty similarly to me, the interaction with Sakura in the dead-thread shows she can put herself in my position very well. Sakura is technically right but unable or unwilling to put themselves in my shoes. The response of "yeah I can see how you think that, but you're wrong" is what I'd expect from a town!Math now, having never played town with them

Please he.
Or they.

Not she.

This goes for all of the posts calling me female.

[MathBlade]

This game and postgame left me with a lot of mixed feelings.

+3.14159

[MathBlade]

yeah ok

I don't care about how this scum team thought about me as a leader but I only got leader cause town wanted it every day I became a leader in. I did put nancy in my townblock day 1 since I felt she is her naive town self. I warned everyone that I don't know her scum game and this just feels town game cause torgana also feels like that and I trusted ufo judgement on that read back then, I started questioning/slow pushing nancy day 3 till the moment I died. I was the first in doing that.

And yes I said again I have a special personality that makes everyone think whetever I'm saying is me being an aggressive defensive person but I was pretty much debating your ideas about this not defending myself from anything.

We actually made you leader intentionally

[MathBlade]

other than nancy was obvscum d1 etc.

(that's not me bragging about a read, that's me hating the fact that I gave up a very strong correct scumread for shitty reasons)

Just to point out,

Nancy actually played really damn well this game, having a playerlist of this caliber and not only surviving for most of the game but also being locked town for a good chunk of that survival time is a very impressive feat for sone's first ever scumgame. I'd be very proud of this game.

<3 <3 <3

Nancy to be frank and as I said in scum PT won this game despite the loss.

<3 I agree with the personal attacks comments but as Ank said everyone was heated.

[MathBlade]

Like what do you even call defensive? where was I ever pushed? I was questioned for a while and I tried to answer them. How is that being defensive? what should I have done instead? not answering the questions about my slot?

Every time I was like "maybe we shouldn't continuously stack leaders on FA" it was "zomg I CANNOT believe you'd say that?! SCUM!".

I suggested that scum were happy to have you as leader and "zomg I CANNOT believe you'd say that?! SCUM!".

We were. FA was going what we wanted.

Why would we want distribution of power when you all took BP when I was gonna petrify you all

[MathBlade]

I learn with math every game, especially when he is scum, cause he shows so much confidence with wrong mechanics it's like he believes that stuff to its core. and he is certainly loud and convincing in the correct direction. it's really amazing scum play. props to him.

also nancy played a good scum game but one that I will totally catch her with next time

I did actually.
Pro tip I rarely lie as scum. I am bad at it.
I change definitions to make it work.

If the town block was indeed all town bombing was the right play.

The only time I lied was when I lied by omission.

Tracker circle jerk of 6 in the lynch pool was absolutely the best play. Or 6 in the town pool.

Gives you a lot on who could and couldn’t do the scum kill.

[MathBlade]

Okay there were other times I lied but that was the notable one. Invests don’t really work en mass because they can confirm themselves or act as a roleblocker

[MathBlade]

Wait math actually had precog and just lied for the sake of it? Or he didn't have the chance to use it because of using another power or something?

Why lie?

He didnt want to let town know some of the powers that were coming that night.
Also that night math used not precog, so the next set of powers were 100% lie

Pretty much I was falling apart
Next set of powers had precog
Tor never made a case so if he saw precog on it he could argue I am expendable as townUFO tends to do (albeit more kinder than that)
This meant lying about the powers
Which meant using my rig

If I true claimed Tor wins that every time and I die.

[MathBlade]

It moved the time table up a day. :/

[MathBlade]

Anywho I am at work and main thoughts at home

[MathBlade]

setup was loltownsided so we had no reason to rush

mathblade was saying like "if we can't find a single wolf in the towncore we deserve to lose!" which, yeah

in hindsight it's easier to see those things but the scum agenda was rolling off his tongue more than it's reasonable and you guys managed to miss all of that

You're saying the same stuff I was saying back when people were going along with the idea of many bombs. No reason to speed it up, etc...

As far as Math goes: if you thought I was townreading math any time past the Pre-cog "challenge" with Titus and the very obviously faked "fighting" between Titus and Math (who always fight so had to "fight" in this game), then I'm glad I fooled you at least. I was trying to fool Math though. Math knew for most of the game that I knew. I think we probably both dropped subtext into our posts.

I was pretty sure you were scumreading me most of the game and the verbal chess was pretty enjoyable. Then when you townread me when I scumclaimed then I didn’t know what to think.

I feel bad to Drixx and Kokichi especially about making you play while not talking. My original plan had everyone playing and that part didnt happen

[MathBlade]

Yeah mainly I had to pick which of you of and Nero was getting petrified leader and which was dying

Nero’s power made him a bit too risky plus I thought it would hurt him more as a person to be in that spot

I hated I had to say Brian made a mod error publically at that point (I still think he made a few but those horses have been beat to death so not rehashing) and I hated what I did to you or Kokichi

If I turned off my emotions I should have made Nero petrified leader

[MathBlade]

I still don't quite get why there was independent support for Titus being leader...?

It’s more town wasn’t coordinated and we vote dropped and some people forgot.

My slot voted for her because scum submitted for random.

[MathBlade]

Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.

I scumifyied him to save Drixx as the scum PT said to save Drixx

And then when muffin said the 100% accurate me or someone else was scum it was true so I attacked the poor logic rather than admit the truth

I just made muffin look bad so people didn’t listen

Theta was just easy because of rapid posting she looked lurky

[MathBlade]

Like when I replaced in the scum PT was all like “SAVE DRIXX”

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Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.

I scumifyied him to save Drixx as the scum PT said to save Drixx

Actually this reminds me. Why did you guys let me live at all? I understand the petrify decision but I don't get why I was left alive most of the game. I mean ... you even acknowledge that you know I had you figured out early (that also is something I'd like to know; how you figured it out... did I tip my hand or?) so why leave me in play?

I mean ... you guys dropped Cerb like a bad habit night one, lol.

This requires a longer explanation than I can do phone posting st work.

Jist is there were always bigger threats. You weren’t actively pushing and the narrative had to remain for Nancy to get to end game. One scum in the town block okay. Two people wouldn’t foresee. It relied on me outing at exactly the right moment.

[MathBlade]

I'm going to reevaluate. The problem is i haven't had the damn time yet. Don't push this on me fifteen minutes after i realize i am wrong

I am pushing you not because you haven’t reevaluated yet, but because you instantly dropped a vote before you did.

I officially hate the Creature wagon. I want nothing to do with it.

Took me a second to put my finger on it but this.

Takes the time to do a bunch of work and then posts it to ... prove ... what? No re-evaluation and no real sign of anywhere near that for the Critter vote.

Posts like this were helpful
I knew I was outing eventually.

It helps buddies.

[MathBlade]

that's why I thought you were selected to be a puppet :/

Honestly it was obvious

*hides*

I actually didn’t want leader

[MathBlade]

Mainly he who doth protest too much wants it.

[MathBlade]

In this case she

[MathBlade]

I mean i did say i did not want a super power anyway

This one especially

[MathBlade]

Mainly he who doth protest too much wants it.

Obviously in some cases no is no. Like what?

[MathBlade]

Like context omg

No clearly means no in some cases. Like for example sexual content. If someone says no that is always no.

But like “no I don’t want a billion dollars and a Ferrari and all nice things”

[MathBlade]

I am so sorry Nero

Lol was just funny reading:

Dead-thread - OMG does duckling still think Nero is alive? What the f?! So stupid!

2 days later when scum PT opens

ScumPTmath - Oh shit, Nero still alive somehow?!?! Shit I have to bomb him!!!

Not my finest moment XD

[MathBlade]

I am so sorry Nero

Lol was just funny reading:

Dead-thread - OMG does duckling still think Nero is alive? What the f?! So stupid!

2 days later when scum PT opens

ScumPTmath - Oh shit, Nero still alive somehow?!?! Shit I have to bomb him!!!

Not my finest moment XD

If Creature hadn’t of set you straight you would have. XD

Technically not a valid action.