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Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:59 pm

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Hey everyone.
So, first things first:

FA, who did you vote for as leader and why?

After she answers, I think everyone else should also answer that pair of questions.
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Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:07 pm

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@Mod: will you answer questions in thread if asked here during the first day?

If so:

Were scum able to chat during the pregame?
Rule 7 in leaders say the leader can't die unless a no lynch is achieved. Does this mean they will die in the case of a no lynch, or simply that they will not be protected that night? Is the leaders protection absolute? As in, strongman/empowered type killa will still fail on them?
Can multiple people acquire the same power at the same time? That is, could FA and myself, if we were both on the team, gain impenetrable skin tonight?
Are all the powers listed here today unlimited use?

I may have more, but that's all for the moment.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:11 pm

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Ope, more questions.

Will the superhero team selected be publicly known? If so, when will the membership be known? Are superhero teams able to privately communicate with one another during the night/at any other time?
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Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:32 pm

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In post 13, the worst wrote:should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39
Shush, I want FA's answer before everyone else starts saying things about who they voted for! <3

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Post Post #15 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:36 pm

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Also, if anyone who WASN'T FA(or a couple of other people who I won't be naming) were elected, I would agree with you about the high scum probability. FA is in a unique situation, having recently returned to the game and being generally well known, so I'm not particularly surprised she was chosen.

I actually complained to the mod when I submitted my vote about that, noting that I thought it would be better if there were an open thread to talk about this, UNLESS scum were also unable to talk to one another while making this decision(thus, the question I asked), OR their membership was entirely devoid of "popular" players.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #5) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:38 pm

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In post 16, Sando wrote:
In post 8, Cerberus v666 wrote:FA, who did you vote for as leader and why?

After she answers, I think everyone else should also answer that pair of questions.
I think everyone should just claim who they voted for. I think this is a fairly predictable outcome though and we probably won't get much from it, but hey more info is good info.
I think that the marginal scum equity mentioned by TW makes the optimal claiming order begin with the selected leader for any given day.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #6) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:49 pm

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Eh, the phrasing is arguably ambiguous, so it's reasonable to ask...but unless the mod is deliberately misleading us, I think it's safe to conclude that the scum team have day chat. :)
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Post Post #27 (isolation #7) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:09 pm

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@mod: Shush, don't go quoting your own ambiguous posts at me. We have no reason to assume that abilities won't be available AGAIN in a future phase, so clarification was necessary.

I see absolutely no benefit to the rush of having people express their choices ASAP.

Confirmation of daychat(which we should have assumed anyways means that assuming town doesn't lie, by claiming in advance of the person "most likely" to have been selected by scum(though only marginally more likely than others, as I said before) we give scum the ability to coordinate their claims and say whatever "fits" the situation as revealed by town. If they find out that without their set of votes, their selected teammate would not have won, they can deliberately distance by only having the requisite number of them claim to have voted for that individual. This is, of course, assuming FA is actually scum, or at the least a choice scum decided to make for whatever reasons.

Also, people claiming who they voted for without saying why are being bad and should feel bad for giving out the information most useful to scum, without sharing the information that's useful to town.
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Post Post #137 (isolation #8) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:06 pm

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Cool. Thank you FA.

I voted for FA, because she was the person in the list who I felt had the greatest combined chance of being selected by the rest of the playerlist, AND putting me on her team. ^^

If anyone would like to know the list of possible people I was considering voting for, I'll share. Otherwise, you get nothing from me!

@Drixx: Did you really consider it probable that I would be the likely selection of the players in this game...at least, without the deliberate support of scum?

@zmuffin: You really did make points. :-/

@sakura: Do you have any contributions to make other than shitting on sando/chickadee/whoever else talked about scum coordination's position? I see your gradual descent towards painting everyone who is speculating about scum actions as engaging in useless scummy fluffy mechanical talk instead of scumhunting, yet I don't actually see you doing anything any better yourself.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 pm

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In post 133, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 118, Frozen Angel wrote:I can tell you that I'm like 95% sure that I had 2 more votes from the remaining playlist and that they would vote me regardless of alignment.

I can even see myself have upto 4 votes between the remaining playerlist.

Looking at this and the votes that are already claimed, it feels like that the scums were uncoordinated pregame or if they were coordinated they were not coordinated enough to bypass the votes on me (or they thought it's unnecessary)

one other theory is that they did pile up on me because they saw sign up thread and felt like I might have some votes so they just halped it happen to put me in spotlight but that feels kind of suboptimal. and they must be lieing about their votes if that's the case. or the people who would vote me regardless of alignment can be those scums.
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Yep. Nancy is 100% correct here. Though I am concerned about scum lies, I don't actually find them particularly likely with regards to this at least, UNLESS they all piled on a teammate who *didn't* get it and who they don't have verifiable reason to vote for that's unrelated to this game in particular. The reasoning though, that's the thing. The thought process they used to make that decision, and whether that thought process is in line with town!them...that will be useful to at least some people here.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:11 pm

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In post 139, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:@zmuffin: You really did make points. :-/
i already apologised. do you want me to prostrate myself and beg forgiveness or something?

i won't do it again. sorry
Naw, you should keep making points, but your points should be accompanied by reasons so *I* have a reason to give a damn about your perspective.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:14 pm

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In post 143, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:Do you have any contributions to make other than shitting on sando/chickadee/whoever else talked about scum coordination's position?
Nope
In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:I see your gradual descent towards painting everyone who is speculating about scum actions as engaging in useless scummy fluffy mechanical talk instead of scumhunting
Painting?
In post 137, Cerberus v666 wrote:yet I don't actually see you doing anything any better yourself.
Maybe you need better glasses then.
Painting, as in figuratively, as in using a broad brush, broad strokes, to just label them all as engaging in activity x.

The rest of your post is of no value, but thank you for responding to me at least. :)
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Post Post #145 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:15 pm

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Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:17 pm

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Actually, maybe don't elaborate on that yet, but like...I do want elaboration on that by day 3, or if FA flips as scum.
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Post Post #149 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:19 pm

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In post 148, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 145, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.
That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.
:) That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.
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Post Post #153 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:23 pm

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In post 150, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 146, zMuffinMan wrote:hmm, ive actually been more forward with stating reads than i initially planned to be in this game so i'm going to stay quiet for a while and observe proceedings and maybe ask questions here or there
In post 148, Sakura Hana wrote:I dont plan on putting much effort atm.
If any of these posts were made on MU you were already lynched or dayvigged. Huge culture differences... huuuuuge

Why would anyone want to reduce their amount of effort intentionally and how will that help?
For what it's worth FA, I did come into this with the intention of putting forward LOADS less effort than normal, so there's a place for it...I don't think that place is D1 though. :P

I do think I'm going to stop bloating the thread myself right now though, since I DID convince some people to play that aren't used to larges/didn't really wanna deal with the volume of a large game, so it would be rude to make that worse myself. :P
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Post Post #233 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:20 am

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In post 211, 123456789 wrote:
In post 149, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 148, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 145, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.
That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.
:) That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.
Why only FA!scum?
Because Cerb!scum isn't possible? Neglecting to include that possibility, which only exists for people who aren't me, WAS a very deliberate decision to see who noticed, so thanks! <3
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Post Post #234 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:22 am

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FA, at least 4 people said they voted you right? Myself, Shiro, and two others who responded earlier?

What surprises me is that I had at least 3 votes! If I hadn't voted for you, and nobody else voted for you, I could have been leader! !! :P
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Post Post #271 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:11 am

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I'm pretty sure purely random out of 5/22 is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:05 am

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In post 279, Titus wrote:
In post 272, Frozen Angel wrote:Even with a smaller number a biased opinion is nearly always equal or better to a random pick.
This is true only if information present. D1 has no valid info. Only egos. D1 selections are nothing more than who is effective at buddying.
Pretty much this. I believe the numbers show just how bad town is at lynching scum D1(that is, they're worse than random). Though this isn't quite the same, you're simply trying to find x not scum, so perhaps the comparison isn't fair.
In post 280, Titus wrote:@Cerb, Didn't you say Mafia success is about reducing and eliminating the biases in logic? Why seek to subject them upon Frozen when a random strategy is just as effective?
Because I don't know her alignment and a conscious choice made by her is more informative for late game work than a random one.
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I think he answered this. The better question may be why does nico have such conviction in his opinion about you. :)
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Post Post #291 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:11 am

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Fair enough.

Oh, also related to the whole team selection by FA: it's also possible that there are individuals in this game who FA can identify as town D1 with a high likelihood of being correct, so that also supports her making her own decisions. I'm bad at D1 generally speaking, for the lack of information reasons you noted, but there are still people(like Drixx) that I'm confident I can positively ID as town on D1 if I can get them talking enough.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:32 am

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In post 296, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 233, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 211, 123456789 wrote:
In post 149, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 148, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 145, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh, and whoever decided that FA and I can't be scum together, please elaborate on that position. I don't believe you're familiar with me at least, so I'm very interested in what it is about FA's play and actions with regards to me that goes against your expectations for her interactions with scummates in the past.
That was me Mr. "Sakura's not contributing anything".
And no im not gonna elaborate as of right now, I dont plan on putting much effort atm.
:) That was your only contribution of value to date! And yeah, elaboration is actually bad at this moment, but in general it's information that should be shared in the event of FA!scum.
Why only FA!scum?
Because Cerb!scum isn't possible? Neglecting to include that possibility, which only exists for people who aren't me, WAS a very deliberate decision to see who noticed, so thanks! <3
Thoughts on 1-9's alignment based on this?
Nothing from this alone unfortunately. I don't have enough experience with this particular player to attach too much significance to it, I don't know if it's out of character or not. I like the fact that they questioned me on it, and the fact that the questioning was super neutral. Had they phrased it in a more aggressive/suspicious fashion, it would be cause for me to feel a bit suspicious of them...but again, in the absence of experience with their playstyle, I'd need to wait until later in the game to see how they handled other, similar situations, before having much certainty in my conclusions.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:36 am

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In post 179, Sando wrote:
In post 177, Toranaga wrote:from my understanding of it FA should choose and announce it before night is called, and I think if the heroes can choose their abilities they should actually not instantly claim cause then wolves know what people they should PR hunt first.

but I'll leave the mechanics for those who have read the things properly instead of lazily skimming it.
Not seeing the advantage of FA telling us before nightfall? FA is immune from NKs overnight correct? She can tell us tomorrow unquestioningly I believe and give the scum no info on the heroes she chose. Am I missing something?

Does FA get a power herself or just the people she chooses?
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Post Post #312 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:37 am

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In post 310, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 271, Cerberus v666 wrote:I'm pretty sure purely random out of
5/22
is almost guaranteed to wind up with a scum. Purely random with a smaller number of people selected *might* be optimal, but really, I think that's a silly line to take.
huh?
23 total....FA is one of them, so 22 remaining...she picks *5* OTHER players...so 5/22 can be selected at most.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:26 am

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In post 313, Titus wrote:Shouldn't we consider FA as random though?
Nope, because all this is only relevant if she's town. If she's scum she's PROBABLY not going to actually randomize, though she may claim to do so.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:39 am

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In post 315, Frozen Angel wrote:As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think
Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not, I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:52 am

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In post 324, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 321, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 315, Frozen Angel wrote:As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think
Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not, I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.
no I will probably fail at having 5 solid ones

what do you think with scum having a league of villans or something idea of me?
Possible, I don't know this moderator so I can't speculate about what they would or wouldn't have in the game. The fact that there are probably factionals other than the kill makes such a thing unnecessary, but it could happen. In Civ was the fact that scum could gain powers that weren't publicly announced as possibilities a publicly known fact about the game, even if exactly what those powers would be wasn't?
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In post 323, NicoRobin wrote:
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In post 293, NicoRobin wrote:@Titus Because from my experience you're a good asset for town, and partially because I wanted to be chosen.
Why do you think I would choose you? Do you think being chosen is advantageous?
1. Because you like me
2. Not neccessarily, I just want to be a neighborizer.
what neighborize ability are you talking about?
The spirit medium I assume, it's a hood with a dead slot for the day/night after they died.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #27) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:01 am

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In post 330, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 327, Cerberus v666 wrote:Possible, I don't know this moderator so I can't speculate about what they would or wouldn't have in the game. The fact that there are probably factionals other than the kill makes such a thing unnecessary, but it could happen. In Civ was the fact that scum could gain powers that weren't publicly announced as possibilities a publicly known fact about the game, even if exactly what those powers would be wasn't?
yes in civ there were wonders that were only buildable by scum which were known and adoptable by scum so if they were chosen with some mechanic they could build them etc

It will make it more powerful than a 1 shot factional block or factional cop cause it will be perma

they might get a perma strongman or something out of that too

or abilities that might mess with leader voting itself

There are so many possibilities
So, again, the presence of those abilities as a possibility was known. When trying to figure out what happened mechanically, the players were aware that there were these scum options that they could have. That might be the case later on, but I don't think there will be abilities that they will have access to that we won't be aware of as possibilities. Doesn't seem to work with the whole minigame with having different abilities available that everyone knows are around. However, the fact that Im' pretty sure there are scum factionals kinda messes with the limited possibilities idea, so fuck if I know wtf is going on. I don't think we can actually constructively discuss the possible scum options at this point, other than to say things that it makes sense for scum to have...but we can't rule out things as stuff scum *won't* have.

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Post Post #353 (isolation #28) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:35 pm

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In post 342, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 338, hebichan wrote:I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.
I want Cerb! *arm wrestles hebi* :P
Naw, I shouldn't be leader. I won't be lynched, and I don't expect to be shot at, especially considering there's basically no chance I won't end up on the team tonight, at which point I'll almost certainly choose to be impenetrable from now till forever...so naw, no need for me to be the leader.

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Post Post #359 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:04 pm

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In post 358, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353
Cool, whatever day you decide you want to start playing on, please elaborate on your objections to that post. ^^
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Post Post #362 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:37 pm

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@Sando: universal BP is probably safest, but the fact that it exists does imply some degree of ease at bypassing it. The redirection is better as universal protection(or whatever you call it when you make actions that target you go elsewhere), but ONLY if the people using it only target consensus scum and/or lynchbait lurker types+we don't grab investigatives going forward. Sakura is correct that we have no way to test for someone taking BP, so any sort of plan we'd make with powers would have to assume that scum will not be following orders.

If we wanted to make this START as a functionally vanilla game, if we lynch town today everyone could pick the medium power, use that on the lynchee, and that would create a network of pts with a town center that would confirm everyone picked and used that power. That play sets up for some potentially very strong plays in the future, with repeated hero teams able to use that pt network to privately coordinate power selection, but it's dependent on the trust the dead slot has for the people it's communicating with, as well as the leaders ability to select a town group. There's also vulnerability to scum roleblocking used as a framing tool, but that would largely be a crapshoot.

I think the medium line has the greatest potential upside if executed perfectly, but is probably impractical.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #31) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:40 pm

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@mod: are all of today's powers stopped by a theoretical roleblocker, even the BP?

If multiple people target the same individual with spirit medium, what happens?

If someone using the medium power is redirected to a living slot, what happens?
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Post Post #388 (isolation #32) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:53 pm

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In post 381, 123456789 wrote:
In post 321, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 315, Frozen Angel wrote:As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think
Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not, I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.
Don't the powers change each day? Why are you assuming there will be a bulletproof available each day?
I'm not assuming that? What I do know is that the moderator has said that the abilities chosen are permanent, and the one's listed today are not limited shots. That means those who end up on the team today could all choose the BP power and use it every night from this point forward. If they're all town AND scum have no way to break through the BP, then it would mean that it could theoretically become impossible for scum to lose(6 town>5 scum, they can't kill them, if they all bloc together and just lynch through the rest of the game while invulnerable scum can't possibly win), therefore there exists a means by which scum could break through said BP, either via multiple kills, empowered/strongman abilities, day kills, or roleblocking(assuming that works on the BP, which, given that it's a triggered BP, I would assume it does), and it makes the most sense for whatever that means is to exist as a factional ability which the scum team possesses.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #33) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:55 pm

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Oooh, day kils wouldn't even work versus the BP, it's from trigger until the next night phase.

@Single digit positive integers: The BP works against a single kill from the time it's triggered until the next night phase. Then they could trigger it again the next night phase...and so on. There is no clause in the ability indicating that it's a passive one shot ability, OR that they lose the ability if the BP ever protects them from a kill.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #34) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:57 pm

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Also, someone who isn't feeling lazy should gather up the leader vote stuff. If I have to I'll do it myself sometime this weekend, but I don't really feel like it. :P
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Post Post #394 (isolation #35) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:03 pm

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In post 393, The Dream Weaver wrote:
In post 363, Cerberus v666 wrote:are all of today's powers stopped by a theoretical roleblocker, even the BP?
After a fair amount of deliberation, I've decided I don't like this question and have chosen not to answer it.

In post 363, Cerberus v666 wrote:If multiple people target the same individual with spirit medium, what happens?
If it's a valid target, The Spirit gets access to multiple neighborhoods.

In post 363, Cerberus v666 wrote:If someone using the medium power is redirected to a living slot, what happens?
Spiritual Mediumship fails on living players.

In post 384, 123456789 wrote:@Mod: Are all abilities active abilities? Or are some like Impenetrable Skin passive? In particular, if someone chose Impenetrable Skin tonight, would they only be protected tonight or get to choose when to activate it? And if they get to choose.... It would be 1-shot in that case, right?
Every ability in this game has to be activated in order to be used.
Pretty sure the fourth answer there also answers the first question, since that's the entire point behind asking that question.

Alright, cool. So the BP can be stopped, the BP can happen every single night, so my entire line of reasoning is valid. Universal BP/redirection is still good because it gives every scum shot that's not backed up by extra ability usage a ~20% chance of failing for the rest of the game, if the first nights people are all kept secret and are all town. The medium spirit circle thing also works, but it can be stopped using an ability which we know will be present in the game without scum having to dip into whatever their powers are, so it can be messed up by town on accident or scum on purpose.

I'm kind of over the whole mechanics discussion now though. I've planted the seeds of the concepts I want scum to worry about and town to consider, so we can probably move on to actual scumhunting now. :P
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Post Post #395 (isolation #36) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:04 pm

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In post 392, 123456789 wrote:VOTE: Titus

Starting to like this vote more than Human.
As always, elaboration is appreciated. Titus definitely has content, so I'm sure you have a reason. :P
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Post Post #396 (isolation #37) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:07 pm

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In post 75, 123456789 wrote:So Toronaga town, Human scum, got it....
VOTE: Human
Like, I don't really even get this. The entire Human/Sando/Toranago exchange was pretty meh to me, so I'd like to know what you got out of it; in particular, what about it led you to that pair of conclusions.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #38) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:09 pm

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Cool, looking forward to it. :) I think I'm going to refer to you as SDPI from now, k? ^^
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Post Post #472 (isolation #39) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:12 am

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In post 468, Titus wrote:
In post 358, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353
It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb
Maybe you should go reread my mechanical posts this game. I mentioned the possibility(nay, I even argued that there almost certainly are!) factional abilities that would allow scum to break up a 6 man all town BP fest on D1.

Regarding FA trusting me: I'm quite confident FA knows EXACTLY what I was doing with that post, and that just makes it more likely I'd be selected. *shrug*
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Post Post #484 (isolation #40) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:35 am

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Responses to my Sando question as well as the spirit medium circle option would be much appreciated.

Titus, now that I think about it: I would have very much expected you(and Drixx, at least) to have also known what I was doing with that post. The fact that you didn't is concerning, as is your willingness to push me over it on D1. Is this a new line of play you're trying out this game?
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Post Post #494 (isolation #41) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:44 am

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In post 485, Frozen Angel wrote:Oh so alisae is switching like the way ufo was in nintendo game

and probably is doing it to help scum
Since attention is being called to it now, FA, my 358: was I right in assuming that you'd understand what I was trying to accomplish with it? Don't say what it was! Just making sure that my assumption about how you'd take that post was correct.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #42) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:53 am

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In post 499, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 494, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 485, Frozen Angel wrote:Oh so alisae is switching like the way ufo was in nintendo game

and probably is doing it to help scum
Since attention is being called to it now, FA, my 358: was I right in assuming that you'd understand what I was trying to accomplish with it? Don't say what it was! Just making sure that my assumption about how you'd take that post was correct.
If you mean 353, you know that I can understand when someone is putting some wine in the field. I just count that approach NAI coming from you.
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Fair enough. Thoughts on Titus, of all people, not getting that?
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Post Post #510 (isolation #43) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:01 am

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In post 505, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 500, Frozen Angel wrote:can you write one sentence for each
Can? Sure.
Will I? Nah.

Don't feel interested enough to defend any TR or SR yet, much rather see if anyone notices what im noticing.
And yet if everyone does what you're doing, you'll never know if they noticed the same things you did...why the need for additional justification this time, when you were happy just saying no, not D1, previously? This time you have a scumhunting goal. What changed? Why didn't you say this the last time if it was true then?
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Post Post #511 (isolation #44) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:03 am

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In post 506, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 468, Titus wrote:
In post 358, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353
It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb
I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?
Why am town based on meta here? We have...2?...games together, and I think I was town in both. What about my play here is so reminiscent of those other games that I'm probably town, and probably not just good at duplicating my recent town play?
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Post Post #532 (isolation #45) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:33 am

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In post 526, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2488, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.
And so what im doing in this game was born.
Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.
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Hi. Nancy, I don't think theres anything positive that comes from a conversation that includes you suggesting that another player wishes you weren't in the game. Maybe you guys can just table whatever this problem is, and discuss it at another time/through another medium, one where you aren't playing a game where manipulation is part of how things are done.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #47) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:12 am

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In post 546, Titus wrote:
In post 506, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 468, Titus wrote:
In post 358, Sakura Hana wrote:Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353
It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb
I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?
Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.
Titus, people don't shoot me. You know that. I know that. I have been shot at like three times ever in all the games of mafia I've played, and one of those times it was because I literally claimed cop on D1. I have been lynched EVEN LESS OFTEN. I'm ALWAYS this certain(regardless of alignment) that I will not die. The potential of power just makes it EVEN LESS LIKELY, given that 33% of the available powers will prevent a kill from hitting the person who takes the power.

In addition...read my posts? Actually respond to those? Please don't do the bullshit "oh you're scum now so I'm not going to interact with you" thing that so many fucking idiots here do. I called out factionals and other possibilities REPEATEDLY, and B/C *don't actually matter because the only thing that matters is maintaining that the POSSIBILITY of protection exists for me.
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In post 2488, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.
And so what im doing in this game was born.
Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.
I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.
I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.
This is even stupider than the previous thing, somehow. I'm fucking astonished by your audacity in stating that *I* fail to understand relevance.

I give ZERO fucks about her choosing to not answer something(it was brought up by her yesterday, and I gave her no notable shit about it). I give MANY fucks about *the way* she chose to not answer things. The question of "is phrasing thigns this way, and throwing in this little addendum pointing out the obvious decision to not answer the rest of the post, something that town!sakura does?" should be naturally fucking implied by my entire post. I say this is suspicious. If that behavior isn't suspicious for this person, tell me why. Is it not suspicious because it's natural behavior for them? Is it not suspicious because it's NEVER SUSPICIOUS, no matter who does it or in what context?

This is also my friendly reminder that I, Titus, do not act outside of my D1 town meta as scum, because that meta makes it really fucking easy to get away with basically anything later in the game. If you think me picking a hill to die on on D1(which, btw, I'm not actually doing, but you somehow seem to think I *am*) is abnormal, it's not scummy. *shrug*
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Post Post #565 (isolation #48) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:13 am

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In post 551, Titus wrote:
In post 550, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 547, Titus wrote:
In post 538, Toranaga wrote:
In post 532, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 526, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2488, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.
And so what im doing in this game was born.
Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.
I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.
I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.
Based on Minuet game, I can relate to where she’s coming from. I experienced a very similar thing in a recent game (offsite). If you make reasonable assumptions based on logic that other people disagree with, you can get mistakenly scumread for that. I know what happened to me is still messing with my head. But why is their push scummy rather than probably wrong? I’ve observed plenty of games (primarily on MU) where town gets stuck in tunnel vision? Could that not be the case here?
It's theoretically possibly both are wrong town. It happens a lot. Strawmen cases are very anti-town. They decided that Sakura was scummy and then used her response to justify it.

There's even a theoetical chance they are trying to convince themselves of Sakura being scum.

It's just so anti-characteristic of Cerb when I ususally get hemms and haws no matter how hard I plead.

UFO just tends to chase strawmen so less worrying from him.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #49) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:19 am

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In post 556, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 551, Titus wrote:
In post 550, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 547, Titus wrote:
In post 538, Toranaga wrote:
In post 532, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 526, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2488, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.
And so what im doing in this game was born.
Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.
I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.
I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.
Based on Minuet game, I can relate to where she’s coming from. I experienced a very similar thing in a recent game (offsite). If you make reasonable assumptions based on logic that other people disagree with, you can get mistakenly scumread for that. I know what happened to me is still messing with my head. But why is their push scummy rather than probably wrong? I’ve observed plenty of games (primarily on MU) where town gets stuck in tunnel vision? Could that not be the case here?
It's theoretically possibly both are wrong town. It happens a lot. Strawmen cases are very anti-town. They decided that Sakura was scummy and then used her response to justify it.

There's even a theoetical chance they are trying to convince themselves of Sakura being scum.

It's just so anti-characteristic of Cerb when I ususally get hemms and haws no matter how hard I plead.

UFO just tends to chase strawmen so less worrying from him.
Cerb’s asking me how I didn’t know if he was “duplicating his town game” seemed odd to me. How could I possibly be expected to differentiate between his town game and a hypothetical pretend town game? But I think it’s more likely he was worried that I might be buddying him, so I can understand why he’d be questioning me on that.
Not worried about buddying, just find it unlikely that you have sufficient exposure to me to have a real strong town read on me at this point based on meta. I need to determine if your levels of certainty are way different than mine, and that what you're calling a town read based on meta is what I'd consider just weak evidence of towniness, or if you legitimately feel as strongly about me being town as your statements imply.

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Post Post #570 (isolation #50) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:21 am

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In post 568, Titus wrote:The possibility of protection exists for everyone barring a strongman.
No grandstanding needs to be done to protect it.

I disagree with the bolded, because people are stupid. Gotta keep shoving their faces in the fact that up to ~20% of the game could be BP after tonight alone, thereby giving them cause to utilize (hopefully limited use) factional powers to ensure kills occur!
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Post Post #575 (isolation #51) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:29 am

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In post 571, Titus wrote:I haven't seen you actually consider them. Which posts do you feel I missed? I am human and have been swamped a bit.
In post 321, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 315, Frozen Angel wrote:As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think
Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not,
I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.


*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.
In post 327, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 324, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 321, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 315, Frozen Angel wrote:As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think
Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not, I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.
no I will probably fail at having 5 solid ones

what do you think with scum having a league of villans or something idea of me?
Possible, I don't know this moderator so I can't speculate about what they would or wouldn't have in the game.
The fact that there are probably factionals other than the kill makes such a thing unnecessary, but it could happen.
In Civ was the fact that scum could gain powers that weren't publicly announced as possibilities a publicly known fact about the game, even if exactly what those powers would be wasn't?
In post 325, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 323, NicoRobin wrote:
In post 307, Titus wrote:
In post 293, NicoRobin wrote:@Titus Because from my experience you're a good asset for town, and partially because I wanted to be chosen.
Why do you think I would choose you? Do you think being chosen is advantageous?
1. Because you like me
2. Not neccessarily, I just want to be a neighborizer.
what neighborize ability are you talking about?
The spirit medium I assume, it's a hood with a dead slot for the day/night after they died.
In post 333, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 330, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 327, Cerberus v666 wrote:Possible, I don't know this moderator so I can't speculate about what they would or wouldn't have in the game. The fact that there are probably factionals other than the kill makes such a thing unnecessary, but it could happen. In Civ was the fact that scum could gain powers that weren't publicly announced as possibilities a publicly known fact about the game, even if exactly what those powers would be wasn't?
yes in civ there were wonders that were only buildable by scum which were known and adoptable by scum so if they were chosen with some mechanic they could build them etc

It will make it more powerful than a 1 shot factional block or factional cop cause it will be perma

they might get a perma strongman or something out of that too

or abilities that might mess with leader voting itself

There are so many possibilities
So, again, the presence of those abilities as a possibility was known. When trying to figure out what happened mechanically, the players were aware that there were these scum options that they could have. That might be the case later on, but I don't think there will be abilities that they will have access to that we won't be aware of as possibilities. Doesn't seem to work with the whole minigame with having different abilities available that everyone knows are around.
However, the fact that Im' pretty sure there are scum factionals
kinda messes with the limited possibilities idea, so fuck if I know wtf is going on. I don't think we can actually constructively discuss the possible scum options at this point, other than to say things that it makes sense for scum to have...but we can't rule out things as stuff scum *won't* have.

pedit:@FA, yes they can, and they can learn them both inthe same night.
In post 388, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 381, 123456789 wrote:
In post 321, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 315, Frozen Angel wrote:As I said the only way I might randomize is from a pool of people I townread.

We can even decide that pool by consulting about members I think
Do you expect to townread a large enough number of people D1 that randomizing within that pool will have value?

pedit: Regarding mechanical stuff, based on the abilities on offer and the method by which we decide who gets powers or not, I think it's safe to assume that scum have a factional ability to have *at least* one additional kill/a strongman kill/a roleblock happen during a night. It's possible that they don't, and that we'll see vig powers in the near future, but I find it unlikely that the game would have the possibility of 6 always BP town being created on N1.

*shrug* Maybe I'm wrong though, idk. I was just thinking about whether or not it would be optimal to just have everyone select the BP thing and use it all the time to minimize scum's ability to safely take shots. Even if there is other stuff they can do, it might be best to do that anyways, since it should force the use of resources to secure kills at night, or else they risk gambling stuff? This would, of course, have to be combined with FA *not* claiming who is on her team N1. Just a thought, basically put no effort into it so Drixx and Titus and other people who see when things are mechanically bad ideas please tell me if it's a bad idea kthx.
Don't the powers change each day? Why are you assuming there will be a bulletproof available each day?
I'm not assuming that?
What I do know is that the moderator has said that the abilities chosen are permanent, and the one's listed today are not limited shots. That means those who end up on the team today could all choose the BP power and use it every night from this point forward. If they're all town AND scum have no way to break through the BP, then it would mean that it could theoretically become impossible for scum to lose(6 town>5 scum, they can't kill them, if they all bloc together and just lynch through the rest of the game while invulnerable scum can't possibly win), therefore there exists a means by which scum could break through said BP, either via multiple kills, empowered/strongman abilities, day kills, or roleblocking(assuming that works on the BP, which, given that it's a triggered BP, I would assume it does), and it makes the most sense for whatever that means is to exist as a factional ability which the scum team possesses
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Multiple mentions of scum factionals bolded, as well as two explicitly mentions of factional strongmen, empowered abilities, extra kills to bypass a single kill protect, and roleblocking.
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Enhanced hearing is not tracking, and is therefore bad. If it were tracking, I could agree with you that 6x tracking is a strong option. I think the strongest long term option is probably the 6x medium for the coordination it will offer(again, creation of a voting bloc larger than the scum team as a possibility, as well as planning future actions), but it might be too slow to get going. It's almost certainly the lowest risk option though, if we think scum is likely in the hero team, because it contains a way to confirm that every person in the team chose that ability.

pedit: I don't disregard them! I don't assume that people who have those abilities will actually stay alive forever. I assume that scum will have to persistently utilize their(again, hopefully limited) resources to have any hope of SECURING kills.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #53) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:39 am

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In post 577, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 569, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 556, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 551, Titus wrote:
In post 550, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 547, Titus wrote:
In post 538, Toranaga wrote:
In post 532, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 526, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2488, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.
And so what im doing in this game was born.
Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.
I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.
I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.
Based on Minuet game, I can relate to where she’s coming from. I experienced a very similar thing in a recent game (offsite). If you make reasonable assumptions based on logic that other people disagree with, you can get mistakenly scumread for that. I know what happened to me is still messing with my head. But why is their push scummy rather than probably wrong? I’ve observed plenty of games (primarily on MU) where town gets stuck in tunnel vision? Could that not be the case here?
It's theoretically possibly both are wrong town. It happens a lot. Strawmen cases are very anti-town. They decided that Sakura was scummy and then used her response to justify it.

There's even a theoetical chance they are trying to convince themselves of Sakura being scum.

It's just so anti-characteristic of Cerb when I ususally get hemms and haws no matter how hard I plead.

UFO just tends to chase strawmen so less worrying from him.
Cerb’s asking me how I didn’t know if he was “duplicating his town game” seemed odd to me. How could I possibly be expected to differentiate between his town game and a hypothetical pretend town game? But I think it’s more likely he was worried that I might be buddying him, so I can understand why he’d be questioning me on that.
Not worried about buddying, just find it unlikely that you have sufficient exposure to me to have a real strong town read on me at this point based on meta. I need to determine if your levels of certainty are way different than mine, and that what you're calling a town read based on meta is what I'd consider just weak evidence of towniness, or if you legitimately feel as strongly about me being town as your statements imply.

pedit: If you're not ignoring me, then stop repeatedly lying and saying that I never considered scum faction strongmen/roleblockers/empowered abilities, because I EXPLICITLY considered all three of those things, in two separate posts, and honestly, that's the STRONGEST part of the reason you've given for expressing any suspicion, and it's completely wrong.
I’m assuming the last part isn’t addressed to me. When I sort people in early game, I often do this based on early game weak reads. I usually townlean people this early on for the most part. I get in trouble for this a lot. I very rarely have strong reads on D1 - even less for scum.

Yep, last part was to Titus, sorry! K, got it, that is...more reasonable.

@Titus: ALSO GOOD JOB MOVING THOSE GOAL POSTS FROM DIDN'T CONSIDER THOSE THINGS TO DIDN'T ASSUME THEY WOULD RESULT IN THE DEATH OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE BP.

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Post Post #583 (isolation #54) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:42 am

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In post 579, Toranaga wrote:
In post 547, Titus wrote:
In post 538, Toranaga wrote:
In post 532, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 526, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 2488, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.
And so what im doing in this game was born.
Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.
I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.
I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.
@titus point to me where have I jumped to the scum conclusion, cause I missed that part. or did you just respond to us both, whiteknighting sakura without reading my post fully?

what I said is that sakura's stance on not giving reads is not indicative of scum, and that I find cerberus' post about it villagery anyway. also that I like people pushing sakura about it, because it's unhelpful behaviour.

I find your whiteknight a little worrysome.
I don't think scumtus finds the things I'm noting about Sakura threatening enough to move to protect her if they were teammates. If Titus is scum, this is weak protection being offered up for a known town flip, and not protection of a buddy...and I'm not sure how often Titus would actually do this as scum at this point, so it's super weak cause to be suspicious of her. :)
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In post 584, Toranaga wrote:
In post 583, Cerberus v666 wrote:
I don't think scumtus finds the things I'm noting about Sakura threatening enough to move to protect her if they were teammates. If Titus is scum, this is weak protection being offered up for a known town flip, and not protection of a buddy...and I'm not sure how often Titus would actually do this as scum at this point, so it's super weak cause to be suspicious of her. :)
notice, cerberus, that I'm not making an associative read between titus and sakura. in fact, I find it more likely that sakura is town if titus is a wolf trying to defend her in this situation. but this is not what my read is about. I'm just concerned with 1) clearly not reading my posting, 2) drawing leans, even null-like leans from it wrt my alignment and 3) defending sakura from accusation I didn't participate in. I think that's all very lazy in a scummy way.
*nods* All noted. Something that is missing from my post was my internal thoughts that led to the post, which was mainly my knowledge that Titus is generally fairly protective of her scum teammates, which is why all of that is in the context of her protecting a teammate. :)
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Post Post #611 (isolation #56) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:45 am

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In post 594, Titus wrote:Also, Cerb I did not move the goalposts.

A good Cerb knows nightless isn't a setup town wins. A good Cerb realizes that his claim gives no invests. You're acting in your walls as if one did not exist. Mentioning something is not intellectual vigor.

It's just odd. A good Cerb knows there are serious flaws logically with you.
I find the investigative that is available to be nearly useless. It tells us if any actions were performed on the person, but not who performed the actions, therefore making it of very limited value...so no, I don't think it's something worth getting, and it functionally doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned.

I actually don't know if nightless is a setup town wins or loses? I've only played in one(very unusual setup) nightless game, so that's a BoP you can't really place on me.
In post 599, Titus wrote:Like I literally cannot whiteknight Sakura from your comments UFO if they are not shading her. It's definitional.
Titus, it's perspective. Toranaga's intentions and what they actually did don't particularly matter in this case. You're perceiving what they did as claiming to scum read Sakura, and are moving to protect Sakura, therefore you're white knighting. Your white knighting is uncalled for/unjustified given that Toranaga didn't actually say they were scumreading Sakura(and even explicitly said they did not think the point I brought up meant Sakura was scummy), but that doesn't mean you weren't attempting to white knight.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #57) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:50 am

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In post 620, Chickadee wrote:
In post 619, Toranaga wrote:
In post 616, Toranaga wrote:I just ISO'd muffin and it's the wolfiest posting in this game by a large margin maybe.
chickadee isn't that far behind after last post.
I'm ok with that. I kind of expected to drown in this game, so I can't really fault anyone for scum reading me.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #58) » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:05 pm

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In post 626, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 622, Toranaga wrote:
In post 618, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Because he also doesn’t want to give reads. I’m more concerned with players who give more questionable reads than ones who don’t but I just wonder why your focus is specifically on Sakura?
I'm not focusing on sakura at all. you should read my ISO in sequence so you understand how sakura became such a topic.

First, I townread her for voting muffin a couple days ago.

days later, I call her a special snowflake who doesn't feel like sharing her special reads. it was moody posting cause brazil just lost the WC, but also something that bothers me in games.

what followed that was a conversation with gamma about his read on sakura, followed by a conversation with cerberus in which I'm townreading his posting but disagreeing with his scumread on sakura.

then titus came along defending her, and I have a conversation with titus about her misreading and other things she did that I disliked.

I have then moved on to ISOing sakura, townreading her and asking for her townread on katsuki to be elaborated.

I'm not invested or focused on sakura. the thread just went that way. I think she is town and want her invested in the game, that's all.
My point was that Muffin refuses to give reads and no one cares or that’s how it seems anyway.
I don't actually care about not giving reads. I don't give reads early game. I care about not expressing the reasoning behind the reads when given. :)
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Post Post #828 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:45 am

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In post 791, Toranaga wrote:I went to check all the votes people claimed to see if I could draw anything from it.

first of all, I believe Frozen Angel was chosen by town motivated votes mostly. she was voted by 4 people: me, shiro, cerberus, and 1-9. I am townreading all of these players to different levels.

in second place came cerberus with 3 votes. nancy, randomidget and drixx. at the very least, I'm townreading nancy. I also think if scum wanted cerberus!scum to be the leader, neither cerberus nor any other scum player would vote FA.

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way. the only players outside of cerberus and FA to get more than one vote were kokichi and muffin. if we're to believe cerberus and FA are both town, scum votes were either distributed sparcingly or some of them ended up lying about who they voted.

I'm contemplating the idea that some scum players decided to vote people who were unlikely to be elected leader, or they coordinated in a manner that only one of them voted any particular scumbuddy.

player/chosen leader/reasoning given

1-9 - frozen angel -
bbmolla - katsuki -
brassherald - gamma emmerald - pretty cool dude
cerberus - frozen angel - more likely to be voted and pick him as well
chickadee - the worst - more likely to be voted
drixx - cerberus - self evident reasons
frozen angel - shiro - cause she robbed his chance to be leader in a different game
gamma - kokichi - wanted to give him power and see what he can do
hebichan - kokichi - cause she likes him
human - muffin - cause he lead town in a different game
katsuki - didn't claim
kokichi - sakura - cause she is the protagonist in the story
mylo - didn't claim
nancy - cerberus - most rational player
nicorobin - titus - highest potential to help town
randomidget - cerberus - no need for explanation
sakura - muffin - played a great game as town last time
sando - duckling -
shiro - frozen angel -
the worst - nancy drew
titus - drixx - gets more readable as leader
toranaga - frozen angel - she is awesome
muffin - mylo
Thank you for doing this. This list isn't in the order people shared the information is it?

TW: Mylo, Chickadee, sando(I think that's who he means by duckling)
Cerb: Drixx, Nancy, random
FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

Katsuki, who did you vote for and why?

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Post Post #829 (isolation #60) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:58 am

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In post 792, Titus wrote:
In post 791, Toranaga wrote:scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.
On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.
Two options here imo. No pregame chat, or they preferred to do things discussion or coordination to be natural+increase the noise to signal ratio in the game, since in the absence of a pattern we'll be spending a bunch of time trying to find one.

Tomorrows leader: Should 100% be decided today, and there should be two top options, with enough promised support for each individually that even if the entire scum team were to vote elsewhere they couldn't change who is chosen. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, since by tomorrow morning, assuming worst case without extra kills, the game will be 16:5, which means all the scum *could* say they'll support the *second* candidate, kill them, and then put all their support behind whoever they want as third...but that line is probably unlikely? If the entire town participates and actually acts as they say they will, then any such action by scum that *changes* who the winner is to a complete unknown will necessitate that they all be in a single group of pledged votes, which makes the scum pool nice and easy to sort through. Just changing it from the first choice to the second is mostly immaterial. It's good information to have, but as long as control ends up in the hands of someone who is "widely" townread we're utilizing the mechanics as best as we can.
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Post Post #830 (isolation #61) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:02 am

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In post 829, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 792, Titus wrote:
In post 791, Toranaga wrote:scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.
On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.
Two options here imo. No pregame chat, or they preferred to do things WITHOUT discussion or coordination to be natural+increase the noise to signal ratio in the game, since in the absence of a pattern we'll be spending a bunch of time trying to find one.

Tomorrows leader: Should 100% be decided today, and there should be two top options, with enough promised support for each individually that even if the entire scum team were to vote elsewhere they couldn't change who is chosen. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, since by tomorrow morning, assuming worst case without extra kills, the game will be 16:5, which means all the scum *could* say they'll support the *second* candidate, kill them, and then put all their support behind whoever they want as third...but that line is probably unlikely? If the entire town participates and actually acts as they say they will, then any such action by scum that *changes* who the winner is to a complete unknown will necessitate that they all be in a single group of pledged votes, which makes the scum pool nice and easy to sort through. Just changing it from the first choice to the second is mostly immaterial. It's good information to have, but as long as control ends up in the hands of someone who is "widely" townread we're utilizing the mechanics as best as we can.
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Post Post #836 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:13 am

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In post 832, Toranaga wrote:
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In post 828, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 791, Toranaga wrote:I went to check all the votes people claimed to see if I could draw anything from it.

first of all, I believe Frozen Angel was chosen by town motivated votes mostly. she was voted by 4 people: me, shiro, cerberus, and 1-9. I am townreading all of these players to different levels.

in second place came cerberus with 3 votes. nancy, randomidget and drixx. at the very least, I'm townreading nancy. I also think if scum wanted cerberus!scum to be the leader, neither cerberus nor any other scum player would vote FA.

scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way. the only players outside of cerberus and FA to get more than one vote were kokichi and muffin. if we're to believe cerberus and FA are both town, scum votes were either distributed sparcingly or some of them ended up lying about who they voted.

I'm contemplating the idea that some scum players decided to vote people who were unlikely to be elected leader, or they coordinated in a manner that only one of them voted any particular scumbuddy.

player/chosen leader/reasoning given

1-9 - frozen angel -
bbmolla - katsuki -
brassherald - gamma emmerald - pretty cool dude
cerberus - frozen angel - more likely to be voted and pick him as well
chickadee - the worst - more likely to be voted
drixx - cerberus - self evident reasons
frozen angel - shiro - cause she robbed his chance to be leader in a different game
gamma - kokichi - wanted to give him power and see what he can do
hebichan - kokichi - cause she likes him
human - muffin - cause he lead town in a different game
katsuki - didn't claim
kokichi - sakura - cause she is the protagonist in the story
mylo - didn't claim
nancy - cerberus - most rational player
nicorobin - titus - highest potential to help town
randomidget - cerberus - no need for explanation
sakura - muffin - played a great game as town last time
sando - duckling -
shiro - frozen angel -
the worst - nancy drew
titus - drixx - gets more readable as leader
toranaga - frozen angel - she is awesome
muffin - mylo
Thank you for doing this. This list isn't in the order people shared the information is it?

TW: Mylo, Chickadee, sando(I think that's who he means by duckling)
Cerb: Drixx, Nancy, random
FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

Katsuki, who did you vote for and why?

Do any of these votes look out of character for the individual who claimed to make it, either because of their reason, or because of your knowledge of their experience with the person in question?


it's not, I just ISO'd people so it goes from 1 to Z.

I don't know the players enough to tell what's out of character for them.
Fair enough. Just to clarify, that question asking for out of character behavior goes out to everyone in the game.
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Post Post #839 (isolation #63) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:17 am

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In post 834, Toranaga wrote:I would lynch katsuki in this and every other game forever until she decides to play mafia instead of trying to be cute. is she wolfy, is she villagery? who knows, right. it's a bunch of videos.

I think sakura needs to expand on her stance on katsuki and be as clear and honest as possible. I'm also starting to find her posting odd.

human sequence is probably a villager. I like the way he is reading the game and the things he is reacting to.

I also like muffin more and more as the day progresses

I also think shiro is very unlikely to be mafia.

so I have as towns: FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy.

I would lynch a good number of players this gameday. katsuki, sakura tbh, titus, nicorobin cause he voted for titus, chickadee, the worst.

not that I'm confidently scumreading any of them.
I dislike the lack of nuance in your set of reads. With the exception of Titus and Shiro, it reads as "Appears to be showing effort=town, doesn't/isn't cooperating=scum""

I already know your reasoning for one of the exceptions, Titus. What's the reason behind the Shiro town read?

There are also like 9 players who you don't address. Are they all null?
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Post Post #842 (isolation #64) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:23 am

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In post 841, Sakura Hana wrote:Granted 839 is the first bit of some sort of honest scumhunting i see from you.
The only remotely scumhunty posts I've made were 839 and the post attacking you.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #65) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:28 am

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In post 843, Toranaga wrote:
In post 839, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 834, Toranaga wrote:I would lynch katsuki in this and every other game forever until she decides to play mafia instead of trying to be cute. is she wolfy, is she villagery? who knows, right. it's a bunch of videos.

I think sakura needs to expand on her stance on katsuki and be as clear and honest as possible. I'm also starting to find her posting odd.

human sequence is probably a villager. I like the way he is reading the game and the things he is reacting to.

I also like muffin more and more as the day progresses

I also think shiro is very unlikely to be mafia.

so I have as towns: FA, cerb, sando, shiro, muffin, human, nancy.

I would lynch a good number of players this gameday. katsuki, sakura tbh, titus, nicorobin cause he voted for titus, chickadee, the worst.

not that I'm confidently scumreading any of them.
I dislike the lack of nuance in your set of reads. With the exception of Titus and Shiro, it reads as "Appears to be showing effort=town, doesn't/isn't cooperating=scum""

I already know your reasoning for one of the exceptions, Titus. What's the reason behind the Shiro town read?

There are also like 9 players who you don't address. Are they all null?
it's not lacking nuance in my head when I'm making them and I didn't explain any of those reads as showing effort being town indicative. you are guessing that's the case, but everytime I townread or wolfread someone it starts on a post by post basis and goes to the bigger picture.
*nods* Which is why I said "it reads as", as in, without more information from you about this post by post basis you use to build your reads, that's all it APPEARS to be. If you have details to share they would be appreciated, otherwise it just looks lazy overall.

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Post Post #880 (isolation #66) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:43 am

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In post 872, Titus wrote:
In post 829, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 792, Titus wrote:
In post 791, Toranaga wrote:scum votes look dispersed and not coordinated in any way.
On the surface yes, but I struggle to believe scum played so suboptimally.
Two options here imo. No pregame chat, or they preferred to do things discussion or coordination to be natural+increase the noise to signal ratio in the game, since in the absence of a pattern we'll be spending a bunch of time trying to find one.

Tomorrows leader: Should 100% be decided today, and there should be two top options, with enough promised support for each individually that even if the entire scum team were to vote elsewhere they couldn't change who is chosen. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, since by tomorrow morning, assuming worst case without extra kills, the game will be 16:5, which means all the scum *could* say they'll support the *second* candidate, kill them, and then put all their support behind whoever they want as third...but that line is probably unlikely? If the entire town participates and actually acts as they say they will, then any such action by scum that *changes* who the winner is to a complete unknown will necessitate that they all be in a single group of pledged votes, which makes the scum pool nice and easy to sort through. Just changing it from the first choice to the second is mostly immaterial. It's good information to have, but as long as control ends up in the hands of someone who is "widely" townread we're utilizing the mechanics as best as we can.
I agree with the second paragraph. The first, I don't see scum not having pregame chat. Sorry.
I also don't think it's likely that they didn't have pregame chat(though them having pregame chat without the presence of an open thread for everyone to talk in is *kinda* bullshit, depending on how the whole game is balanced ofc), which means they deliberately did things without coordinating. I don't see the benefit of deliberately coordinating dissent between their votes, because that would likely happen anyways if they just voted without talking about it.

So, are you saying you don't see scum making a deliberate decision to NOT have a plan for the first leader vote, or simply that you don't see them not having pregame chat?
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Post Post #881 (isolation #67) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:45 am

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Titus: FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga

This pool 100% contains at least one scum, or do you think whatever scum voted for FA lied and said they voted elsewhere, for someone without votes?
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Post Post #883 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:00 am

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Titus: FA: SDPI(or 1-9), Cerb, Shiro, Toranaga
Kokichi: Gamma, hebichan,
Muffin: Human, Sakura
Katsuki: bbmolla
Gamma: brassherald
Sakura: kokichi
Titus: Nicorobin
ND39: TW
Drixx: Titus
Mylo: muffin

So do you think all scum are contained within the names voting on the right side there? That is, that none of the scum stated they were voting for anyone who had others claim they had 3 votes? Does this mean that the people who stated they voted for myself and TW can be assumed to not be scum, given that lying to add votes to runner ups would diminish the legitimacy of their own selection?
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Post Post #884 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:00 am

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In post 878, Titus wrote:Later. I'll be back torrow.
Feel free to answer tomorrow. :)
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Post Post #886 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:00 am

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Hi Kokichi.

You have 11 posts.

Zero of them have any value.

Would you like to make any contributions to the game state?
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Post Post #888 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:09 am

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In post 887, Chickadee wrote:Guys, I have requested replacement. I can't keep up with this. Sorry.
ILU I'm sorry. :(
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Post Post #900 (isolation #72) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:29 am

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In post 898, 123456789 wrote:
In post 570, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 568, Titus wrote:The possibility of protection exists for everyone barring a strongman.
No grandstanding needs to be done to protect it.

I disagree with the bolded, because people are stupid. Gotta keep shoving their faces in the fact that up to ~20% of the game could be BP after tonight alone, thereby giving them cause to utilize (hopefully limited use) factional powers to ensure kills occur!
(Or perhaps such powers don't exist.... How would one know.... unless they are scum?)
SDPI, have you read my lengthy discourse about why it's probable that such things are in the game? You don't know me, but just know that even if I were scum, I would have PLENTY of logical reason in publicly known information to come to any conclusion that I arrive at, mechanically speaking.

See SU2 for proof of that if you'd like.
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Post Post #905 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:35 am

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In post 904, The Dream Weaver wrote:
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Post Post #942 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:19 pm

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In post 939, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 886, Cerberus v666 wrote:Hi Kokichi.

You have 11 posts.

Zero of them have any value.

Would you like to make any contributions to the game state?
I was on VLA. I'm back now. Who do you think is scum
ISO me yo. The entirety of my meaningful thoughts on the game state are there! Titus and Toranaga and Sakura have all said things that me QQ, but nothing is particularly significant, like, not even significant enough for me to call any of them even scumreads.

Are you fully caught up with the game?
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Post Post #944 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:22 pm

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In post 943, Kokichi Oma wrote:Caught up enough. What do you think of brass
I don't. None of their posts have actually attracted my attention in any way. Someone I will get around to ISOing, but currently very insignificant.
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Post Post #960 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:52 pm

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@nosferatu:I don't expect it to come down to anything other than personal preference, but it's possible that scum were deliberately getting one person the lead, and will want to conceal that...so what they say will be lies! That may or may not be easily caught. *shrug* I don't know this playerlist as well as some, so it'll be a bit harder for me to figure things out than it would have been with other playerlists.
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Post Post #961 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:54 pm

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Also @nos:Do you realize you just included a post made by the person you're replacing in for in your last post?
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Post Post #967 (isolation #78) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:29 pm

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In post 966, Toranaga wrote:
In post 931, 123456789 wrote:
In post 783, Toranaga wrote:
In post 780, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 778, Toranaga wrote:in nintendo switch mash, after I died n2 I became responsible for "switching" all the colours at night. there was red/blue, yellow/brown, black/white, etc. players actions would perform different abilities depending on what colour I chose at night. E.G. a role that, if white, peeks it's target and, if black, kills it.

I believe alisae has the power to either choose from a row of mod determined abilities every gameday, or craft their own in a way that can help scum. it's different from what I did in nintendo, but similar in the sense that both me and alisae need to achieve a wincon through manipulating the mechanics, without being "alive" in the sense of posting in thread etc.
Interesting, how do they go about it do you think based on your game?
it's a different mechanic entirely. I believe alisae has to choose 2 powers from a row every gameday. she chose a protective ability today, for instance, which can be smart for the scum team so they get rid of this ability early to get their kills through in later gamedays when there are actual clears and scum needs to kill confirmed town.
Again, each member of the superhero team can choose what abiity they want. Scum can't influence another person on the superhero's team choice.

Pedit: How do I manage to get pedit'd TWICE while making this short post?
yeah, my theory is that alisae has a row of abilities e can choose from each gameday, and that e elected a protective now so e doesn't have to choose it later
But like, that theory is fundamentally wrong, UNLESS you think e assumed that the leader today would be scum, because having this particular protective available from D1 is actually the worst case scenario for scum.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #79) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:45 pm

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I would be so happy if you were both scum and just did that. :)
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Post Post #977 (isolation #80) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:47 pm

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In post 974, Nosferatu wrote:
Ankamius wrote:Oh has Nancy posted enough to read off of yet
I'd say probably yeah
Cerberus v666 wrote:I would be so happy if you were both scum and just did that. :)
I'd legitimately cry if I were scum in this game given that
I'd get caught in like 4 secs with this playerlist
Elaborate. I want to see you stoke someone's ego. :P
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Post Post #978 (isolation #81) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:48 pm

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(also tbh you're currently like, idk, WAY outside of the play I've seen from you before, but i don't think i've ever seen town you, but I do know people expect you to be lurky and useless so idk wtf this thign you're doing even means)
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Post Post #986 (isolation #82) » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:03 pm

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In post 982, Nosferatu wrote:
Toranaga wrote:@nosferatu
first off why the fuck are you taking such extreme measures to say how much you townread cerb
"i love you're pushing her for this"
"this is such a town thought process"
"i was townreading you already but wow"
immediately followed by
"i dont think she's scum for this"
either you dickride him or he's wrong
actually fucking pick one
things can be towny without being right.

I have nothing to say about your other comments other than I think it comes from town a lot.
I find the way you went about expressing the thought to be more significant than the thought itself.
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dread it. run from it. destiny still arrives.
Cerberus v666 wrote:Elaborate. I want to see you stoke someone's ego. :P
Well, I've never played a scum game where Sakura didn't scumread me by my 3rd post
I still remember a blitz game where titus caught me in exactly 17 posts
Gamma's not that bad at reading
FA hasn't played with me in a while but she can read me pretty well
And if you started wallposting at me I'd probably just lie down and take it cause defending myself would be a bother.
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:49 am

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I have no objection to lynching either SDPI(posting two pages of single quote responses IMMEDIATELY after someone stated they were going to be replacing out because they couldn't keep up makes you someone I expect to have a negative effect on town motivation throughout the game), or Katsuki, for similar anti-town motivations. TBH, I don't have any real objections to lynching most people because most haven't been super town...but ya know, just making it clear that those two in particular are actively acting in a fashion that doesn't help the game state.

I should probably figure out who is actually town.

I wish Drixx were actually posting. :(
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:15 am

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In post 1046, hebichan wrote:
In post 855, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 772, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 769, 123456789 wrote:
In post 475, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 428, Katsuki wrote:I'll act as a second flavour mod since someone used a post restriction power on me that forces me to have to post a youtube vid in each post. It's rather obnoxious so I'll probably just make empty flavour posts.

VOTE: Katsuki
This is both impossible/a lie and a scum-motivated post
How exactly is it scum-motivated? Or rather, why are you jumping the gun here?
Yeah, I’m thinking what Katsuki is claiming does seem farfetched but it seems like a strange thing to make up. Perhaps, he can squeeze some game-related content into his posts, so we can be better able to sort him?

Although Katsuki isn’t beyond making fake claims as either alignment. I’ve probably only been in a handful of games where I can confidently determine a scum motivtion - straight off the bat.
responding to this rather than the intial post because it let's me get out a bit more of my logic here: maybe it was jumping the gun then but Katsuki hasn't delivered content since and I know it's possible to deliver content even by just posting pictures, as Alisae has demonstrated in the past. So yeah, it's scum motivated because it excuses a lack of content, which is definitely the case.
Actually, this post by gamma makes me want to lynch him.

I've never seen such an awkwardly worded sentence by him in all our games.

VOTE: gamma
Interesting.

Had he said something like "I can see scum doing this because it excuses a lack of content", would you accept the statement? That is, do you accept the premise of the statement, but doubt it's sincerity because it sounds contrived?
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Post Post #1051 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:26 am

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A small aside btw, since everyone is voting for numbers: on the site I first played mafia in, they didn't allow numbers in user names, and this Cerberus v666 thing has been my handle for...well...a couple decades now. So, I signed up as "IWantToUseNumbersInMyName", and everyone called me Numbers.

*shrug* Not game relevant, just made me chuckle seeing everyone vote for Numbers.
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:09 am

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In post 1061, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1049, Titus wrote:VOTE: Numbers

Still need to compare professed leadership votes to wagons but I am highly curious about this. Numbers has done a lot of attacking but very little townreading of slots.

Numbers flip would suggest Tog's alignment as well.
I'm hard tunneling you now titus.

never moving my vote d1. this is a slimy post and will look even worse if 123456789 is actually town which I suspect to be the case.
Do you think there's any chance of Titus actually being lynched today? Like, let's just take a finger and dip it into the thread.

I've expressed suspicion of Titus, but have not voted her(and though you don't know this, there's nearly no chance of me voting her with the weakness of my current suspicion).

2-3 other people have, at best, said things about her bother them, but nobody except for SDPI has voted her, and the people who are suspicious of her are not FOCUSED on her.

You're welcome to keep voting there, but I don't think it's likely to actually turn into a lynch.
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:13 am

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Hi Gamma, can you please not spam the thread with posts the way SDPI did?

It's really obnoxious. Multi-quote is your friend. If you're afraid they won't see it, have a section for each person, with a LARGE BOLDED header so they know where you're talking about them.
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #88) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:08 am

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In post 1074, hebichan wrote:
In post 1062, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1061, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1049, Titus wrote:VOTE: Numbers

Still need to compare professed leadership votes to wagons but I am highly curious about this. Numbers has done a lot of attacking but very little townreading of slots.

Numbers flip would suggest Tog's alignment as well.
I'm hard tunneling you now titus.

never moving my vote d1. this is a slimy post and will look even worse if 123456789 is actually town which I suspect to be the case.
Do you think there's any chance of Titus actually being lynched today? Like, let's just take a finger and dip it into the thread.

I've expressed suspicion of Titus, but have not voted her(and though you don't know this, there's nearly no chance of me voting her with the weakness of my current suspicion).

2-3 other people have, at best, said things about her bother them, but nobody except for SDPI has voted her, and the people who are suspicious of her are not FOCUSED on her.

You're welcome to keep voting there, but I don't think it's likely to actually turn into a lynch.
By that logic only numbers is lynchable today.
Untrue. Katsuki is also eminently lynchable(their only defender is Sakura, who doesn't *currently* have any credibility/influence on the game because of their refusal to actually give thoughts). zmuffinman could also *probably* be lynched, but threads cooling towards that idea.
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #89) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:09 am

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I should probably actually figure out those slots now that I think about it. I'll try to do so.
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #90) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:04 pm

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SDPI= Single Digit Positive Integers.

Which I already explained, and asked about, in a post you ignored.
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #91) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:05 pm

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Arguably, it should actually be ASDPI, because they're ascending. That would be perfectly descriptive.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #92) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:29 pm

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There are 5 scum per the opening posts of this game.
I like 129, that's almost as good as ASDPI(Which I'll keep referring to you as, so long as you keep spamming the thread with single quote post replies).

@hebichan: Generally speaking, I'm pretty good at evaluating how likely those who have spoken are to actually support any given lynch(it's how I generally avoid being lynched, by identifying the trend early and getting out ahead of it), but I could be wrong. Really, just the act of acting invincible myself or speaking out against a lynchs likelihood makes it more likely that lynch will happen, especially in a playerlist I'm only somewhat familiar with, since people will push back...I was just really curious about Toranagas thoughts about the likelihood of a Titus lynch, particularly given how all his other votes(including the previous one on Titus) he was willing to drop nearly instantly.

I really want to hear FAs scum reads. I don't care about her town reads for today.
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Post Post #1133 (isolation #93) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:12 pm

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In post 1132, Sando wrote:
In post 1131, Cerberus v666 wrote:There are 5 scum per the opening posts of this game.
I like 129, that's almost as good as ASDPI(Which I'll keep referring to you as, so long as you keep spamming the thread with single quote post replies).
Is this referring to me?

You can't vote for yourself as leader per rules post, so assuming scum coordinated onto one other scum, the max votes they can put on someone is 4.
Oh. I took Titus' post as being more concerned with the scum team selecting someone who *isn't* on their team.
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #94) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:39 am

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In post 1146, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1143, Sando wrote:
In post 1139, Shiro wrote:I am pretty sure leader votes were popularity thing since the start of the game.
I'm fairly confident scum coordinated, but everyone seems to assume that means they coordinated to elect FA. I just think they coordinated to only vote one person each and minimise the risk, however small, that we nail em with it.

It's Titus' seeming confidence that they coordinated to elect FA
and
then not taking that to its logical conclusion that has me worried.
yeah I think they coordinated to not have it readable by town, by spreading their votes

we're agreeing on everything sando. you should be able to lock clear me.
Why is nobody else objecting to Tora's belief that because he agrees with someone they should be able to "lock clear" him?

@Titus: I might be misremembering, but I *think* FA just said she wasn't going to claim them today, and she didn't know what she would do tomorrow. I don't think she said she definitely wouldn't claim them tomorrow...she was just part of the conversation about the pro's and con's of it.

Valid point that pushing for the pure random thing is proscum, but it would be a prime example of classic Titus moonlogic for her to have reasoned that random is better than deliberate, if the person doing the picking is vulnerable to scum manipulation, without stopping and slapping herself because EVERYONE is subject to scum manipulation, so that means she's just arguing to always randomly select the person.

I'm also a little guilty of this, because I was focused purely on what might make it mathematically more likely that only town end up with abilities, and so expressed acceptance of there being possible value in a modified version of her suggestion.

Also.

Katsuki never claimed who they voted for as leader. Can we please lynch them if they don't do so? Considering how narrow the margins are between FA and other options, and all that conversation, having a single holdout is significant.
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Post Post #1235 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:45 am

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In post 1231, Titus wrote:
In post 1228, Cerberus v666 wrote:Titus: I might be misremembering, but I *think* FA just said she wasn't going to claim them today, and she didn't know what she would do tomorrow. I don't think she said she definitely wouldn't claim them tomorrow...she was just part of the conversation about the pro's and con's of it.

Valid point that pushing for the pure random thing is proscum, but it would be a prime example of classic Titus moonlogic for her to have reasoned that random is better than deliberate, if the person doing the picking is vulnerable to scum manipulation, without stopping and slapping herself because EVERYONE is subject to scum manipulation, so that means she's just arguing to always randomly select the person.

I'm also a little guilty of this, because I was focused purely on what might make it mathematically more likely that only town end up with abilities, and so expressed acceptance of there being possible value in a modified version of her suggestion.
I agree with substance but not sure why claiming PRs needs to be the accountability method but it may be the only one we have. I also may have misremembered but FA seemed to be against claiming it ever.
Claiming PR's is not the *only* accountability method, but the only other option is having the entire group use the spirit thing to privately confirm they all used it, and to coordinate the leader for the day after tomorrow to be among them etc. Only way to potentially keep it known who she selected, but also private, but only works if the dead town person they talk to has good judgment about which of the people who were chosen get to know who the entire team was.

pedit: What about ASDPI Titus?
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:46 am

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In post 1230, Ankamius wrote:Cerb please tell me you're understanding my logic here
I'm not sure which logic you've presented that there's a chance of me misunderstanding. If I thought what you've said so far was logically inconsistent or simply wrong, I would have said so. ^^ <3
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:49 am

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In post 1236, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1230, Ankamius wrote:Cerb please tell me you're understanding my logic here
I'm not sure which logic you've presented that there's a chance of me misunderstanding. If I thought what you've said so far was logically inconsistent or simply wrong, I would have said so. ^^ <3
With this said though, like I said previously, I CAN imagine a universe where town!Titus pushes for a line that's proscum while being sure it's protown. :)
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:54 am

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In post 1240, Titus wrote:Sando - Weak town
BBmolla - Null, weak lean scum
NicoRobin - Lean scum
randomidget - Who? Null problem
Kokichi Oma - Same
Nancy Drew 39 - Town with reservations
hebichan - Town lean
zMuffinMan - Town by wagons, weak town by play
Human Sequencer - Town
Katsuki - Weak town
Sakura Hana - Biggest TR
Toranaga - Conflicted should get a read but I need him to do something other than fight me

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno
123456789 - Eat rope

Shiro - Scum, No cookies

Gamma Emerald - Who
Ankamius brassherald - Town annoying but town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Town
Cerberus v666 - Conflicted by play, leader vote says townish maybe

Myloninja13 - Who
the worst - Needs more
Titus - That Asshole talks behind my back
Drixx - I wanna work on Worm
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:17 am

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In post 1245, Titus wrote:
In post 1243, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1240, Titus wrote:Sando - Weak town
BBmolla - Null, weak lean scum
NicoRobin - Lean scum
randomidget - Who? Null problem
Kokichi Oma - Same
Nancy Drew 39 - Town with reservations
hebichan - Town lean
zMuffinMan - Town by wagons, weak town by play
Human Sequencer - Town
Katsuki - Weak town
Sakura Hana - Biggest TR
Toranaga - Conflicted should get a read but I need him to do something other than fight me

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno
123456789 - Eat rope

Shiro - Scum, No cookies

Gamma Emerald - Who
Ankamius brassherald - Town annoying but town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Town
Cerberus v666 - Conflicted by play, leader vote says townish maybe

Myloninja13 - Who
the worst - Needs more
Titus - That Asshole talks behind my back
Drixx - I wanna work on Worm
Bolded are the FA voters. Elaborate on the value of the leader vote for reading each of them.
Rephrase please?
You said that my leader vote(for FA) says townish maybe.

I want elaboration on what the same vote, for FA, means for each of the other slots, as well as elaboration on *why* it's townish/not in each case.
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Post Post #1254 (isolation #100) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:25 am

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In post 1251, Titus wrote:
In post 1250, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1245, Titus wrote:
In post 1243, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1240, Titus wrote:Sando - Weak town
BBmolla - Null, weak lean scum
NicoRobin - Lean scum
randomidget - Who? Null problem
Kokichi Oma - Same
Nancy Drew 39 - Town with reservations
hebichan - Town lean
zMuffinMan - Town by wagons, weak town by play
Human Sequencer - Town
Katsuki - Weak town
Sakura Hana - Biggest TR
Toranaga - Conflicted should get a read but I need him to do something other than fight me

Frozen Angel - Townish but maybe captured dunno
123456789 - Eat rope

Shiro - Scum, No cookies

Gamma Emerald - Who
Ankamius brassherald - Town annoying but town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Town
Cerberus v666 - Conflicted by play, leader vote says townish maybe

Myloninja13 - Who
the worst - Needs more
Titus - That Asshole talks behind my back
Drixx - I wanna work on Worm
Bolded are the FA voters. Elaborate on the value of the leader vote for reading each of them.
Rephrase please?
You said that my leader vote(for FA) says townish maybe.

I want elaboration on what the same vote, for FA, means for each of the other slots, as well as elaboration on *why* it's townish/not in each case.
You misunderstood. Individually, the votes are NAI. My theory is that scum selected the winner or had a hand in it.
The fact you got votes and didn't win suggests you are tiwn.

I can't say whether any individual vote is buddying or not without pressure, which is why I have been trying to engage all of you.

I get OMGUS and step up when I voted Numbers and highlighted his bad play so he's most likely evil but the insistemce that I have to know whom with incomplete information that may not be accurate (5 liars after all).
Why didn't you also mention that for TW?
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:52 am

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hebichan, you should answer tw, but I'm more interested in how you went from to .

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Post Post #1270 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:55 am

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In post 1268, the worst wrote:I can answer that
I think you should tell me all your deepest thoughts about this game, because right now you're basically useless and that's not how I want to feel about you tw.
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Post Post #1271 (isolation #103) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:57 am

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In post 1269, hebichan wrote:
In post 1267, Cerberus v666 wrote:hebichan, you should answer tw, but I'm more interested in how you went from to .

pedit: ninja'd!

I don't know what you meant by "how I went to"

The first post was me following up on how I said I didn't like how you were discounting certain wagons based on the number of supporters, and you saying that certain wagons were unviable.

The second was a lynchpool.
At the end of 1114 you said you didn't even want a numbers lynch.

How do you go from that, to including them in the people you're willing to lynch today? As a matter of fact, what's even the point of that, rather than just voting them, when their wagon clearly has momentum to it?
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #104) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:02 am

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In post 1272, the worst wrote:
In post 1270, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1268, the worst wrote:I can answer that
I think you should tell me all your deepest thoughts about this game, because right now you're basically useless and that's not how I want to feel about you tw.
there's like 45 pages of crap which I don't wanna parse, most of the player list is stronger players than me, etc.

I'm kinda useless early in larges--and I was led on thinking 1% effort would be enough. :c

what made you so inclined to go hard on d1 here? :>
This is my 1%.

:D

<3

I haven't even ISO'd anyone. Or actually tried to figure anything out. :P

And right, carry on, I did tell you 1% was okay. <3

@hebichan: noted. If you could elaborate on what thigns you read between those two posts that you found suspicious, I would be eternally grateful.
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Post Post #1276 (isolation #105) » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:12 am

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In post 1212, Drixx wrote:
In post 1210, Titus wrote:Everytime I try to get engagement on my reads, I get ignored and tell me to plug my nose. What specifically should I do? Ignore charismatic scum possibility is not the answer.
Can you clarify this?
Hi Drixx. I missed your reentry to the thread because it was so unimpressive.

:(

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Post Post #1350 (isolation #106) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:22 am

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@Toranaga: it's the fact that you pointed out the agreements to Sando as a reason to TR you, as though he wouldn't realize that himself. Like...was that post meant as an attack on him? Pointing out that he SHOULD be working with you, but isn't? That isn't how I see it, and I'm pretty sure that's not what you intended, but that's the only context where you going "oh hey Sando look at how much were on the same wavelength don't you wanna TR me??" isn't, at best, a really shitty way to work with a townread(since you could just work with him without needing to say any of that).
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Post Post #1472 (isolation #107) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:24 am

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In post 1471, Frozen Angel wrote:page 35:
In post 869, Titus wrote:FA could be scum or scum could be charismatic and capable of buddying FA. Either is scum influence in picking FA. It's also impossible to pressure FA to sort her given the fact she's lynch immune.
given you know about my mental condition you know that asking me questions and expressing reads on me will trigger me and is as same as putting pressure votes on me. You of all people should know how much self aware I am.

Anyway I'm not scum. neither I think I'm easily manipulatable. none of the people voting me concern me about this either. I think 1-9 or cerb are the people with weakest reasons for voting me and I'm concerned about neither in first glance.

Why do you think scum selected me?
I have the best reason for voting you! Naked ambition and a superior understanding of the relationships between people outside of the game than that displayed by some other people who voted for people who they thought would give them stuff, but didn't consider whether or not that person was most likely to be selected!

It's good to see you back and doing stuff FA!

@everyone: Are we going to do this whole set up leader thing? I propose everyone list their T4 towniest reads/choices for leader, in order. FA does not do this, and FA is also exempt from selection. Then we'll go through the list, consolidate the T2 consensus options, and I can assign people to vote appropriately for each based on the choices they made. YOu can assign yourself too, I'm just volunteering to do the bitch work of figuring out what satisfies the most people.

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Post Post #1474 (isolation #108) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:37 am

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In post 1473, Sakura Hana wrote:Well I obviously would like my mason partner to be leader.
I assume you're referring to the least valuable player so far this game, Katsuki?

3 more yo, though 2 more may be acceptable.

The point of this is to arrive at a top 2 consensus, so we want the number of suggestions from each individual to be greater than the number selected, while also being less than the number they could choose as part of their team so we don't perfectly inform scum about that pool.
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Post Post #1480 (isolation #109) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:54 am

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Please, everyone...

Put those requested townreads in order.

That helps us figure out which to choose. Just having them is good, but being able to do a ranked voting type thing is even better.

@FA: Ya, true, it's 100% NAI for me, especially since you were part of getting me into this game...really, voting for any of you, Chickadee, or TW would have been easily defensible, as would voting for Titus, on almost the exact same grounds. :P
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #110) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:17 am

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In post 1488, Sakura Hana wrote:I guess if i sheep muffin's opinion i'd put cerb there, i still have my reservations tho. Cerb's gistou play led me to believe he's not to be underestimated.
I don't think you were in gistou, at least not under this nick. If there's an alt that's outed going on here, I would appreciate being made aware of it...or at least have you confirm that you 100% were in Gistou and are thus familiar enough with two day phases of my scumplay in a game where I was apparently town enough as scum that the other scum team shot me cuz I was obvtown.
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Post Post #1536 (isolation #111) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:59 am

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I'm impressed by ASDPI's ability to say my reads are based on certain things when I haven't actually posted reads.

*shrug*

Also, if you check the signup thread you should note that I did say I would be putting forth 1% effort.

That means 1% of my normal D1 solving, which is 1% of basically nothing, so also *shrug*! For example, I didn't even bother following those links to read the posts you were citing as scummy.

I do appreciate your attempt to actually find reasons for scumreading me though, that's always nice. :)
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #112) » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:41 pm

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In post 1541, The Dream Weaver wrote:vc goes here, updated after work
I predict that this will be the most valuable VC of this entire game. :)
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #113) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:22 am

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In post 1541, The Dream Weaver wrote:
Votecount 1.15
Leader: Frozen Angel

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123456789 (7):
zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5):
123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2):
Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2):
BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Ankamius (0):

BBmolla (0):

Cerberus v666 (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Human Sequencer (0):

Katsuki (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Myloninja13 (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nico Robin (0):

Nosferatu (0):

randomidget (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):


Not Voting (7):
Cerberus v666, Drixx, Kokichi Oma, Myloninja13, Nico Robin, randomidget, Shiro

With
23
players, it takes
12
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The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-15 18:00:00).

Nancy Drew 39 is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-14 00:00:00)
Titus is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-07-16 00:00:00)

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Impenetrable Skin:
You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.
Siren's Call:
Target another player. That player's actions will be redirected to target you instead of their original target until the next Night Phase.

INFINITECH STANDARD

Enhanced Hearing:
Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.
Phasing:
Target another player. Any actions that target you before the next Night Phase will target them instead.
Power Mimicry:
Target another player. You will gain one use of any Superpowers they use before the end of next Day Phase. These 1-Shot Superpowers will be available to you until the end of the next Night Phase and still count against your Superpower usage.
Spiritual Mediumship:
Target a player that has died within the previous Day or Night Phase. You will have a neighborhood with that player for the following Day and Night Phase.
In post 1592, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1541, The Dream Weaver wrote:
Votecount 1.15
Leader: Frozen Angel

Image


123456789 (7):
zMuffinMan, Sakura Hana, Human Sequencer, Titus, Katsuki, Nosferatu, Ankamius

Titus (5):
123456789, Gamma Emerald, Sando, Frozen Angel, hebichan

Shiro (2):
Toranaga, the worst
zMuffinMan (2):
BBmolla, Nancy Drew 39

Ankamius (0):

BBmolla (0):

Cerberus v666 (0):

Drixx (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

hebichan (0):

Human Sequencer (0):

Katsuki (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Myloninja13 (0):

Nancy Drew 39 (0):

Nico Robin (0):

Nosferatu (0):

randomidget (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

the worst (0):

Toranaga (0):


Not Voting (7):
Cerberus v666, Drixx, Kokichi Oma, Myloninja13, Nico Robin, randomidget, Shiro

With
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12
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The day ends in (expired on 2018-07-15 18:00:00).

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Enhanced Hearing:
Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.
Phasing:
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Power Mimicry:
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Spiritual Mediumship:
Target a player that has died within the previous Day or Night Phase. You will have a neighborhood with that player for the following Day and Night Phase.
VOTE: Numbers

I like Ank’s non-case on them.
In post 1595, Randomnamechange wrote:ok no one wants to help me get into the game cool
VOTE: ankamius
Random, what do you need? And why are you voting on a vanity wagon?
In post 1619, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1530, Frozen Angel wrote:I think titus was trying all day to shade me without doing it - make sure scums are likely getting one ability out of night by randomizing it and to make me less accountable for the picks. This is not just moonlogic this is her lieing about what I clrealy said in thread and mixing stuff to make her point look better.
In post 1531, Ankamius wrote:I am so glad someone else finally saw how scummy all that shit was
oh are we lynching Titus now
VOTE: Titus
VC clearly shows ASDPI ahead of Titus in votes(with apparent momentum(but not real momentum, since people voting for ASDPI didn't move to Titus, vanity votes did), you clearly scumread numbers as well, so why the vote for Titus *over* ASDPI?

@Ankamius: Just to clarify here, you're suspicious of Titus, but *very* suspicious of ASDPI? Is that what I should conclude from everything you've been saying and where your vote is currently located?
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #114) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:33 am

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The day ends in 1 day, 3 hours, 30 minutes.

Titus is on V/LA for 1 day, 9 hours, 30 minutes
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Post Post #1645 (isolation #115) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:09 am

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In post 1644, hebichan wrote:So are we not supposed to lynch titus or something?

Not sure your point.
Two points.

1) Making sure people are aware that they have to make their decision on this one way or another without the input of that slot, so if someone is on the fence and waiting for Titus to show up and make herself look scummy or towny, that probably won't be happening.
2) The fact that Titus is on VLA might be an important part of things if she flips as either town or scum.
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #116) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:33 pm

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In post 1655, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1643, Cerberus v666 wrote:The day ends in 1 day, 3 hours, 30 minutes.

Titus is on V/LA for 1 day, 9 hours, 30 minutes
In post 1644, hebichan wrote:So are we not supposed to lynch titus or something?

Not sure your point.
In post 1645, Cerberus v666 wrote:
In post 1644, hebichan wrote:So are we not supposed to lynch titus or something?

Not sure your point.
Two points.

1) Making sure people are aware that they have to make their decision on this one way or another without the input of that slot, so if someone is on the fence and waiting for Titus to show up and make herself look scummy or towny, that probably won't be happening.
2) The fact that Titus is on VLA might be an important part of things if she flips as either town or scum.
I officially hate this game now. :(
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Post Post #12864 (isolation #117) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:48 am

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Hi.

I think you can all see my thoughts in the dead thread, so I won't inflict them upon people here who don't care enough to read the dead thread(though I know it's long).

Nice play at the end Drixx. <3

Love you all, gg, if you have questions for me feel free to ask. :)
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Post Post #12927 (isolation #118) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:44 am

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I voted for her because CW to scum, and I misremembered their position on eachother's wagons. I thought the positioning was too town, but I was wrong. Something like she was 4th on the wagon originally, and I thought she was 6th and the vote that pushed things over the edge to make that lynch likely, or vice versa. I don't remember, but I remember that was my general thought process.

Oh, and I also didn't think the random thing was auto-scum coming from Titus.
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Post Post #12930 (isolation #119) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:45 am

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Also also, I was very confident I could figure out if she was more or less likely to be scum once the VCA came out, so wasn't a priority. *shrug*
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Post Post #12964 (isolation #120) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:24 am

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TW!!!

HI.

WE DIDN'T GET TO PLAY TOGETHER REALLY BUT WE KINDA DID.
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Post Post #12969 (isolation #121) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:53 am

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In post 12964, Cerberus v666 wrote:TW!!!

HI.

WE DIDN'T GET TO PLAY TOGETHER REALLY BUT WE KINDA DID.
In post 12965, the worst wrote:WE EXISTED ON THE SAME PLAYERLIST AND I LIKED IT!!
AND WE WERE ON THE SAME SIDE.

HONESTLY I THINK WE COULD ARGUE THAT WE ACTUALLY WON THIS GAME FOR TOWN, SINCE MY DRIXXISTOWN VOUCHING KEPT HIM LYNCHFREE AND GOT HIM PETRIFIED, AND THAT MEANT HE WAS ABLE TO SEND YOU THE SIGNALS YOU NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO.

WE'RE THE BEST.
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Post Post #12971 (isolation #122) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:08 am

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Well, unfortunately Mathblade did tell him exactly why I was townreading him because his reason and my reasons were the same(or rather, the reasoning he used to support his fake conclusion was the same as my real reasoning), so my read % on scum!Drixx may have just went down.
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