Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[hebichan]

If there is a jester this game, I will cry.

I was thinking it about oath when I made that post about asking oath to stop trying to suicide, but didn't want to be the first to say it.

[hebichan]

Vecna, I've been asking questions and have been involved the past several pages.

I don't wall post.

Besides that, has creature really been doing anything?

[hebichan]

If we think creature is scummy, and creature flips scum, might point to someone in the neighborhood trying to bring more scum in.

Not gonna advocate for it unless I read more content from creature that sounds bad, but just want to put it out there.

[hebichan]

Ank, what is your obsession with self resolving mechanics?

They are a myth.

[hebichan]

I mean, I don't scumread Oath anyhow.

So yeah, I agree.

I still think the vig shot and the neighborhood are important.

[hebichan]

It is pretty bad when my top two townreads are HWS and Oath.

[hebichan]

TBH people aren't voting you because you seem so eager to be lynched.

[hebichan]

Projectmatt flip would give us better associatives than mathblade at this point, as much as I believe in the sanctity

VOTE: matt

Current Lynchpool-

Matt>Math>Theta

[hebichan]

"There is no resistance to them"

pretty sure if that were the case, this day would have been over like, weeks ago.

The fact is that town has been resisting scum, and its damn hard to say whats where because no one has been willing to stay on a lynch.

Matt, Math and Vecna all read similarly to eachother for me and I have no good way to assess that.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Theta

down my line I go again.

[hebichan]

Vecna is innocent. I now have a three person townbloc.

[hebichan]

Does not have a pt.

[hebichan]

I just ddont see how flipping oath is valuable, even if scum he won't last in lylo and I don't think her flip is good information wise.

[hebichan]

she* damn typing posture.

[hebichan]

if Gamma flips town, there will be an I told you so moment.

HWS was my first investigation because he did shit all, no duh vecna.

I was one of the only one suspecting him at the time, and I investigated him. That doesn't make sense for a fake scum clear imho.

[hebichan]

You first.

[hebichan]

I know, it bothers me knowing hes town. I wish the slot was someone else, but I can't really make him post.

I think he's genuinely busy though tbh.

I'm findding it hard to sort utside of my town clears.

13 players

-1 me
-2 masons
-2 town clears

=8
if we take out math and titus as lynches today (which im not sure is smart)

we get

6 people

[hebichan]

Oath is like 100% not town, that doesn't mean we should flip third party with no scum flipped.

I'm sure one of math or RC is scum but I don't know which. RC's tantrum makes it pretty clear they aren't the same alignment though.

[hebichan]

yup, 100% human

[hebichan]

VOTE: creature

[hebichan]

the scum team is probably something like mathblade, creature, nosferatu, someone im forgetting exists

Gamma?

[hebichan]

the scum team is probably something like mathblade, creature, nosferatu, someone im forgetting exists

Gamma?

That seems a bit strange that it would be me and not yuureislot if you're speccing 3 of the hoodmates are scum, cos it was that slot and mb who took in creature

That's completely fair, to be honest.

Sorry I wasn't quite aware of the who did whats in the hood.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Muffin

When asked about oath and why he believed it "I believe it cause I do."

But maybe muffin didn't see it on his scum buddy list.

[hebichan]

Arcangel or brian would probably be my next two suspects?

[hebichan]

A protective role that stops roleblocks?

[hebichan]

VOTE: oath

probably the better vote atm

[hebichan]

I feel like oath's claim is 2 parts real 1 part false here .

[hebichan]

Oath's claim is like too weird to be scum

atleast too weird to be a fakeclaim

I've seen weirder.

VOTE: creature

Math might be scum, but might also just be bad, and creature gives us better associatives on math, scum creature makes scum math a lot more likely. I'm not as convinced the other way around is true.

[hebichan]

because im lost and think creature is likely scum and really dont want to dig into rc vs mb

[hebichan]

From where I sit, scum is in (math, brian, titus, creature, muffin) and its hard to sort which of those three are the right three.


edit: I think creature is better than muffin just due to PT stuff, I think its the most likely scum in the PT and it would give us some info on math.

[hebichan]

because thats the standard I'm used to in these sized games?

I'm assuming, admittedly, but why not 3 scum?

[hebichan]

if oath is third party, does that change the count?

[hebichan]

I'm running out of people who I think are scum together for a four party scumteam though.

[hebichan]

I guess arcangel or nos can be added to possibles.

[hebichan]

Sorting.

[hebichan]

Set up spec is mod planted one scum in the vig neighborhood, and we might have a traitor to mess up my ability.

[hebichan]

its more that both of them are MIA and it makes me paranoid one of them is a traitor.

[hebichan]

both my checks, HWS, and Vecna came back negative.

[hebichan]

Eh lets get muffin imho.

Though dunno how I feel about oath trying to drain me again

[hebichan]

VOTE: oath

[hebichan]

VOTE: muffin

yeah, yeah okay

[hebichan]

if my pt checker power is literally useless in clearing people I will cry.

[hebichan]

VOTE: muffin

if I wasnt already

[hebichan]

I probably would be too if I were being honest?

Like. I was pushing the slot before I checked it. It goes against my memory of vecna's towngame, but I was told vecna had no pt.

[hebichan]

I dunno, there's lots of dummy targets already like masons and luna's neighborizing thing.

Set up spec says that it should hit scum pt, but I guess it could not?

[hebichan]

btw hebi have you given an opinion on muffin's role?

It feels odd while my own role exists.

I'm not sure if both our roles would exist in the same game.

[hebichan]

didn't he drain hebi

He failed to drain me, by his own admission.

I dunno if that means he got a pm back saying "you failed" or something, but that the claim.

[hebichan]

What is brian at VC wise? I don't want to hammer unannounced.

[hebichan]

I feel left out of the being replaced train.

[hebichan]

VOTE: brian

[hebichan]

someone tell me how town-titus can go from "let's lynch muffin and oath because mathblade's buddies don't wanna lynch him" (when both oath and i were the only ones voting mathblade) to "hey mathblade (who i apparently forgot i think is scum), wanna lynch some other guy?"

I feel left out of the being replaced train.

I just feel sad we need so many it looks like.

Because it's not fun to play with people who literally don't listen at all.

I mean you can excuse them once they flip scum, but if you're townies not bothering to even consider that someone has valuable information that makes this game unbearable.

I cant follow this game, no idea what slot is who anymore.

[hebichan]

VOTE: titus

I'm a bit interested in seeing this flip tbh

[hebichan]

so yeah if tor think oath could be cult leader why no suspicion towards me? I think I might have something similar to what I had in New Year UPick on Tor's hydra
unfortunately I doubt that any traction can be generated here today

Lol or me XD Like my role is practically “cult but I swear I am not a cult”

I thought the other people said that wasn't actually your role, just something you were all in at the start.

[hebichan]

Except I am town and I am not listed there.

pt checker checking your pts.

unless you think I'm scum, if so case me.

[hebichan]

Either possibility explains why you avoid zmuffin v hebi

Muffin refuses to counter claim me and I have no idea what to think about that, why would muffin confront muffin v me?

[hebichan]

I meant to say why would vecna chime in on me vs muffin.

Point is, I don't see any reason to scumread muffin after looking over his posts and most of the cases have been people forcing a counterclaim on us.

[hebichan]

brian, titus, and one of either gamma or nos for scum.

Barring that I think NSG is the more likely traitor out of vecna of NSG.

ne of the first things that happened when I claimed was RC threatened me if I chose to investigate him.

[hebichan]

Yeh, I buy Titus' claim more than hebi's and Muffin's

Why do you believe the slot who has fake claimed twice?

[hebichan]

Further, how does my targeting make sense for scum?

I checked two people I pushed heavily and cleared them.

Why the hell would I make that up?

[hebichan]

I also have no hope for this game.

But w/e.

[hebichan]

Intent to hammer.

We still have a bit till deadline, so I'd like to hear from the slot at least.

[hebichan]

VOTE: LadyAngel

Welp. Least we got reads.

[hebichan]

I feel slightly better about it because titus might be bussing it judging by how late she jumped on.

[hebichan]

I do, he's double confirmed town.

Why the hell not put him in?

[hebichan]

VOTE: Titus


Titus has a PT guys.

[hebichan]

Because a traitor flipped and I wanted to just end the math vs titus shit thats been filling up this game since day two.

Plus I want credibility that I'm not fake claiming innos on people.

VOTE: UNVOTE:

[hebichan]

I'm not scum.

Of either alignment. I am town. Why the hell would I clear HWS as either alignment scum especially when we had no clue it was multiball. And if I was mafia I would be claiming.

[hebichan]

I 100% agree. I woke up feeling like one of like two or three town remaining.

But if you're going to scumread me based off of set off spec, fuck off. YOU could be a wolf all the same.

Currently I want to lynch in muffin, tora, vecna, maybe you tomorrow with the way he asked why didn't I look at you for a clear after titus.

[hebichan]

Well assuming multiball and assuming each team has two-three scum and assuming that oath's claim is real....

that's 9 alive, minus two wolves and a scum leaves us at best with 6 town.

Worst case its two and three leaving us with 4 town. Unless mathblade is also a vampire leaving us at 3,3,2,2

sooo its unlikely I'm wrong about all my reads here.

[hebichan]

So if you kindly point me to where actual wolves are Ank, that'd be great.

I'd totally lynch a wolf over titus who is likely mafia given the pm.

[hebichan]

pt not pm*

[hebichan]

We'll see how that works out for you.

Thinking on it, if muffin is mmafia and cleared vecna and vecna wants mafia to claim vecna is prob human still.

I don't see what gamma has done over me to warrant a town read though.

I can see set up spec on me being a wolf, cause it would be useful for wolves to use a pt checker to find mafia. However that's not what happened and it's frankly really annoying I even have this role with all the false positive results I can get between traitors, masons, neighbors etc.

[hebichan]

Well *SHRUGGGG*

being the person with the pt check I can say I hate this set up.

[hebichan]

Are you actually believing my claim or not, cause I feel a bit led on here.

[hebichan]

I'm still unsure why muffin refused to counter me here, is the next issue of discussion.

[hebichan]

I'm trying to reach out with you here to gamesolve on probably the last day we have a chance to even things out a bit.

[hebichan]

lol

Titus, if you're mafia just claim. We're only interested in lynching wolves.

if you won't I'll just revote you.

[hebichan]

VOTE: titus

RC might have wrecked your cred, but town was willing to townread RC on the basis of "eh that's just RC's way."

You wrecked your own cred harder.

[hebichan]

It's not interesting at all, because the first two results are public knowledge and the third is a fakeclaim that will be resolved.

Why track nos at all?

[hebichan]

but if he were scum and thought I was opposing scum wouldn't he want my flip to go off?

Wait, I guess I can think of two scenarios.

Mafioso are actually pro town scum, since they win when all werewolves are dead.

or, muffin is a wolf and he thought if I flipped mafioso it would reveal multiball.


p-edit: hard claiming town, not mafia.

oh I thought nos made the neighborhood vig, or I'm completely lost on the neighborhood still.

[hebichan]

How do you know he's a vig then?

[hebichan]

But there are confirmed two scum factions.

[hebichan]

yes, I've waited till day four to bus my buddy when wolves are already winning over every other faction.


Wutfacedude.

[hebichan]

That does work out with my scenario two where muffin thinks I might be mafia and doesn't want to flip me to reveal multiball.

Meanwhile Titus has no reason to believe nos is a vig

[hebichan]

Right now I'm thinking Titus/Muffin are wolves.

Mafia is a bit less clear. If titus is a wolf tracker, nos could be a vig where titus tracked nos and knew the wolves didn't make a kill night 2, ergo nos must be a vig since only one scum faction shot. So I think Titus claiming nos as vig is very likely scumslip.

If all the mafia doesn't have night talk, vecna's double clearing doesn't mean anything because mafioso are both human and ptless in that scenario.

Given that, mafia is almost certainly somewhere in Tora/Gamma/Nos/Vecna


However, one more thing bothers me. titus and math both claimed that math blocked titus, but oath claims the vampire's role block also takes the role away from the blocked person.So the fact math blocked titus doesn't quite add up here to me if we take math's vampire claim at face value.

[hebichan]

Nos, did you make the other kill night 2?

p-edit that makes sense, since the traitor flip said that maf wins when werewolves are dead.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Hebichan

Town deserves to lose if they think im confscum.

GG titus.

[hebichan]

I have a guilty on titus and no one wants to follow that guilty.

Titus is lying.

You're all falling for it.

[hebichan]

I stopped Math, Vecna and HWS wagons that town were going to go through early on for no scum value.

By play I've been town, now with shitty set up spec you're going to listen to Titus, whose slot has been super cancerous all game.

[hebichan]

for muffin and hebi to both be scum that required wolves to have 2 investigatives which is a lil bit ???

Technically muffin doesnt have to be a seer at all, he didnt use any ability to get knowledge that wasnt public by the time he claimed it.

The only result Hebi got that wouldve been a gamble without actually having the PT cop power would be on HWS. I told her before she inspected me that I didnt have a PT

A lot of people told me they didn't have PTs.

RC did and RC was a liar, so sorry I didn't take your word for it.

[hebichan]

Then lynch me asshole.

[hebichan]

I'm lynching titus or myself. I'm not voting anywhere else.

[hebichan]

I have no idea what's going on, but Oath tried to roleblock me once by his own admission and got blocked.


Fourth option, roleblocker is bad.

[hebichan]

I'm lynching titus or myself. I'm not voting anywhere else.

can you not
we get it you're emotional

chill the fuck down

I can't chill the fuck down when I've actually been trying to put effort into this game and I'm getting blasted for it.

Its frustrating because I've had to play around freaking everyone and their mothers having pts and finally I get a real guilty and no one freaking listens.


Titus isn't a wolf traitor because titus 100% has a pt unless I got redirected last night.

[hebichan]

I don't believe that either, because we both have guilties on eachother and I doubt we BOTH got redirected.

From my position, I can't see anything but Titus being a wolf tracker.

[hebichan]

I mean what else can I say?

I was redirected and Titus faked a guilty on me because I voted on her?

I guess that's possible, but kinda unlikely.

[hebichan]

Don't really care what you need.

Vote Me, Vote Titus.

Voting anywhere else is a waste of time.

[hebichan]

Nos, the correct choice here is to lynch me and then you shoot titus.

[hebichan]

or vice versa, anything else is anti your win con.

[hebichan]

Like if you lynch me and I don't flip town PT checker, you don't even have to shoot titus.

But I will, so you should.

[hebichan]

Well town consensus seems to be that I'm a wolf.

So you guys can go lynch me.

Becuase I have no way to argue against htis set up spec, I have given you every action and result I have.


I don't know why im not dead or roleblocked.

[hebichan]

or vice versa, anything else is anti your win con.

ik

i figured that was implied

Congrats, vote on one of us if you understand.

[hebichan]

Goddamn it, if you have two people claiming guilties on one another you dont lynch elsewhere and risk lynching more town.

Game gets solved if we both die, just let this happen.

[hebichan]

This isn't opinion, this is fact.

[hebichan]

There is no world where both Titus and I are town so take the 50/50 now instead of delaying it another phase.

[hebichan]

That would be great if I didn't have the fear you lynch town and then shoot me.

[hebichan]

ybh I just wanna lynch my guilty

[hebichan]

Okay, say tora flips scum, for example

what would that say on associatives?

[hebichan]

So why are you trying to convince me its not correct to lynch one of me or titus?

If you can't make a case on how more flips would help you case one of us better, I don't get it.

Especially when you guys were speccing we could be scum together.


like yeah, Tora could very well flip scum but I don't KNOW that.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Titus

[hebichan]

Hebi and the guy who is supposed to CC him both vote me. They might both be wolves.

Her* and no u.

[hebichan]

Can you ask mod if it includes wolves with normal abilities like tracking?

Cause if you are I am 100% confused.

[hebichan]

Okay so no, I have no passive.
UNVOTE: titus

I also believe nos couldn't have been tracked by a wolf. Only possibility that titus and I both got fake guilties is if I was busdriven to the kill. Likely I have been since night two which is why I'm still alive.

VOTE: muffin

If muffin flips wolf there is no actual clear on vecna, especially when titus claimed either I or vecna could be wolf.

[hebichan]

pretty sure mafia are still humans?

Also muffin, I can believe seer + pt checker but I can't believe seer + pt checker + tracker and I agree with nos that titus is pretty much cleared at this point.

Nos and Titus are pretty much confirmed actually, I don't think anyone else is though. Since no one has CCd Nos' mafia claim. I briefly entertained a nos + titus scum team in my head and I'm pretty sure a busdriver is more likely unless they're playing some ultra risky game where they're hoping mafia doesn't CC them for no reason.

Much more likely I was kept alive so scum could busdrive me around and make me give bad results, such as clearing vecna and this titus thing.

[hebichan]

So do mafia count as a threat to the town?

Cause my pm says we need to get rid of all threats to the town, not just wolves.

[hebichan]

if you're going to lynch me, can you just do it.

[hebichan]

if you're going to lynch me, can you just do it.

for the 20th time, i want to shoot you, not lynch you

can you bus or something

Mathblade and vecna want to lynch me.

[hebichan]

The only way for both our results to have been messed with is if I were bussed to one of the kills last night of a person who had a PT. Since I got the result of Titus having a pt and Titus allegedly tracked me to a kill.

Or scum having two redirect powers, which I doubt.

VOTE: hebichan

[hebichan]

I mean I want to shoot hebi and wagon someone who isn't hebi

I don't see why that's so hard

I don't understand why you don't want my flip before you shoot.

[hebichan]

but you'll get more information for a shot you have 100% control over, instead of having to bargain with town.

[hebichan]

Yeah, I guess a lightningrod would do it.

Though it doesn't seem to affect mafia if it exists cause nos shot previous nights just fine.

[hebichan]

was I hammered yet? If so I am town.

[hebichan]

yeah, that's the only reason I believed nos' thing about tidus. Mafia is a super sketch claim for a wolf.

[hebichan]

I'm glad I like, put myself on the rope when I did. Having nos shoot me and flip overnight could have easily balanced things differently.

Nos had really good reads but holy crap he is not diplomatic.

[hebichan]

can I blame everyone for not sheeping me on luna being town

TBH I was just weirded out my role had so many fake guilties at that point, I thought one of the pts had to be fake.