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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:21 am

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In post 644, Keyser Söze wrote:TW and I are not the two remaining mafia goons.

@the worst - can you confirm.
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:21 am

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In post 650, the worst wrote:
In post 644, Keyser Söze wrote:TW and I are not the two remaining mafia goons.

@the worst - can you confirm.
let me check my role pm again
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:35 am

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I will get your name correct one day, sorry Toranaga.

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Has everyone written off Eragon as town? A slot we haven’t spoken about much. Kop felt like town kop, and Eragon hasn’t made any scummy moves since replacing in.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:39 am

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Votecount 2.05

Dunnstral (3)
- Ausuka , Keyser Söze , Irrelephant11
Ausuka (3)
- Dunnstral , Toranaga , the worst
Irrelephant11 (1)
- Nauci
Keyser Söze (1)
- Reundo

Not voting: Eragon, northsidegal

The deadline for Day 2 is 2:17 pm CT on Thursday, September 20, in (expired on 2018-09-20 15:17:24).
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:46 am

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In post 642, Irrelephant11 wrote:Eh it was fun but I don't think it's both of them
Keyser's interactions with volxen
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pretty scummy on re-read. I can't get over how Keyser defended Sesq, though (ultimately resulting in volxen's lynch, though not directly). Unless both of them are scum?
tw looks bad for his "yes please do scumcase Keyser and hold my hand through it" as well as TMI'ing volxen's flip, but by EOD it did seem pretty obvious we'd caught scum - I was gonna hammer, I felt sure enough - so this might be nothing. GNB was pretty scummy, though.

The reason I don't think it's both is mainly how GNB/Keyser/volxen would have had to have a LOT of scum theater when it would be much easier/townier looking to keep each other at a more average distance. Maybe their pre-game plan was to have Keyser ask about hypoclaiming, let GNB explain (incorrectly), and then move forward together with some towncred, but if it was planned it was executed really terribly, so I doubt it was planned

I don't have any strong scumreads but I have enough townreads and enough confidence that we can keep up yesterday's momentum that I'm not worried about it yet
I actually like the effort and walkthrough of Irrelephant11’s paranoia here.
It’s not scum-Irrelephant11 throwing together wild theories to look busy.
It’s town-Irrelephant11 looking under every rock, sense checking each combination and narrative.
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:53 am

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I feel pretty good about Eragon being town
I think it's as likely as usual that there was probably one scum on the wagon and one off
Unless Toranaga is a scum on wagon, then I think both are on wagon (because he directed attention off wagon this game day)
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:56 am

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don't feel bad baby elephant
some people really really struggle with reading me
some totally do not xD
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:05 am

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My last thought (about Toranaga) got me thinking about how the wagon on volxen happened and I went back and found this
In post 399, the worst wrote:hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum

:]
Which, given scum don't have day chat, is VERY INTERESTING.
If volxen "will become extremely obvious later if scum", why be concerned about lynching him now? (wagon movement was still more toward sesq, who tw says here is scummier)
Unless
he's trying to hint to his scum buddy that it's time to bus

Toranaga immediately followed it up with the move to vote volxen, which tw followed. Tor has tried to claim towncred for them both this game day, and has since lampshaded "inb4 partners" which, admittedly, would be bold, but would also make anyone who called them partners look a little silly

Any thoughts on this? tw has come across as feeling v towny in tone but I can't get over the combo of
-GNB's weirdness
-volxen's long, drawn out nullread of the slot
-tw's TMI of the lynch

And then Toranaga
-Has directed attention off-wagon without reasoning
-Has lots of interactions with tw that are really very friendly and (significantly) once tw joined the game Tor was much more interested in playing

Tor was also pretty scummy last game day imo (see: Keyser's case, which was mostly ignored?)

Thoughts anyone? They happen to both be independently possible scum but ISO the two of them + GNB and see if you see what I see

For now I'll start with VOTE: Toranaga

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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:39 am

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Lol Irrelephant I love that you also check for daychat every time

It feels like it should make a huge difference to use because we used it so much but most scum threads I see are kinda tumbleweeds
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:47 am

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In post 656, the worst wrote:don't feel bad baby elephant
some people really really struggle with reading me
some totally do not xD
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:47 am

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In post 657, Irrelephant11 wrote:My last thought (about Toranaga) got me thinking about how the wagon on volxen happened and I went back and found this
In post 399, the worst wrote:hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum

:]
Which, given scum don't have day chat, is VERY INTERESTING.
If volxen "will become extremely obvious later if scum", why be concerned about lynching him now? (wagon movement was still more toward sesq, who tw says here is scummier)
Unless
he's trying to hint to his scum buddy that it's time to bus

Toranaga immediately followed it up with the move to vote volxen, which tw followed. Tor has tried to claim towncred for them both this game day, and has since lampshaded "inb4 partners" which, admittedly, would be bold, but would also make anyone who called them partners look a little silly

Any thoughts on this? tw has come across as feeling v towny in tone but I can't get over the combo of
-GNB's weirdness
-volxen's long, drawn out nullread of the slot
-tw's TMI of the lynch

And then Toranaga
-Has directed attention off-wagon without reasoning
-Has lots of interactions with tw that are really very friendly and (significantly) once tw joined the game Tor was much more interested in playing

Tor was also pretty scummy last game day imo (see: Keyser's case, which was mostly ignored?)

Thoughts anyone? They happen to both be independently possible scum but ISO the two of them + GNB and see if you see what I see

For now I'll start with VOTE: Toranaga

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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:49 am

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when have I directed attention off wagon though? I came in, read the wagons, thought volxen was scummier and booya it was scum

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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:50 am

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everyone casing me is town

how about that read brothers and sisters
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:50 am

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I am interested in where I tried to drive attention off wagon. that literally did not happen at all
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:51 am

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In post 657, Irrelephant11 wrote:Which, given scum don't have day chat, is VERY INTERESTING.
If volxen "will become extremely obvious later if scum", why be concerned about lynching him now? (wagon movement was still more toward sesq, who tw says here is scummier)
Unless he's trying to hint to his scum buddy that it's time to bus
i mean like
he followed that post by really poorly fakeclaiming so
*shrug*
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:51 am

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-Has lots of interactions with tw that are really very friendly and (significantly) once tw joined the game Tor was much more interested in playing

I like how enjoying to play with certain people is scummy to you irrelephant :P
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:52 am

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instead of trying to lynch the people who dunked on scum yesterday, just look at other slots. just today. it's day 2. look at ausuka's vote movement, it's scummy. I have no reason to townread anything she said today either. NSG is probably scum as well.
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:52 am

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In post 657, Irrelephant11 wrote:Any thoughts on this? tw has come across as feeling v towny in tone but I can't get over the combo of
-
GNB's weirdness

-
volxen's long, drawn out nullread of the slot

-
tw's TMI of the lynch
playstyle

either a half assed read from scum or absolutely abysmal theatre

i was intoxicated and literally laughed at loud at how bad the watcher claim was, do you disagree? xD


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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:00 pm

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In post 659, Nauci wrote:
In post 656, the worst wrote:don't feel bad baby elephant
some people really really struggle with reading me
some totally do not xD
Grab 1.75g of dry oolong tea leaves

Scatter into a baking sheet

Shake for more than 2s but less than 4.4s

If it forms a vaguely duck-like shape, he's town
i used lapsang souchong
are we in trouble
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:04 pm

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In post 652, Keyser Söze wrote:I will get your name correct one day, sorry Toranaga.

[You a Kurosawa fan?]




Has everyone written off Eragon as town? A slot we haven’t spoken about much. Kop felt like town kop, and Eragon hasn’t made any scummy moves since replacing in.
I happen to be a kurosawa fan, yes. this is toshiro mifune without kurosawa directing, in the tv adaptation for james clavell's novel, "shogun". my dad gave me this book when I was a kid and I met him 3 times total, so there's a sentimental value to it.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:11 pm

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In post 668, the worst wrote:
In post 659, Nauci wrote:
In post 656, the worst wrote:don't feel bad baby elephant
some people really really struggle with reading me
some totally do not xD
Grab 1.75g of dry oolong tea leaves

Scatter into a baking sheet

Shake for more than 2s but less than 4.4s

If it forms a vaguely duck-like shape, he's town
i used lapsang souchong
are we in trouble
Unclear; best to consult with the mod
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:42 pm

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@mod
does the degree of smoking and coarseness of our tea leaves have an impact on my alignment?
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:57 pm

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In post 666, Toranaga wrote:instead of trying to lynch the people who dunked on scum yesterday, just look at other slots. just today. it's day 2. look at ausuka's vote movement, it's scummy. I have no reason to townread anything she said today either. NSG is probably scum as well.
In follow up of Irrelephant’s points against you:
You say we shouldn’t look at people who “dunked on scum” / pushed and voted Volxen D1, but you are looking at Volxen’s wagon yourself (Ausuka). I just wish you’d been on Volxen’s wagon earlier: instead you name-dropped Volxen early saying you would lynch them but did not vote for a long part of D1. Then when the wagon looked inevitable
then
you decided to vote / post your belated case. That is what is grating in the back of my head. I asked you before, give me a grade for “believability” for the scum narrative I am presenting. You are not acknowledging but deflecting. You keep laughing off cases on you with humour, gifs, talking about the worst, or throwing out a town read on the person analysing your behaviour. I feel the Volxen wagon was too damn enticing for at least one scum not to bus.

Nauci says NSG is the townie who towned in townville - are you going to challenge Nauci in regard this read?
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:10 pm

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In post 672, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 666, Toranaga wrote:instead of trying to lynch the people who dunked on scum yesterday, just look at other slots. just today. it's day 2. look at ausuka's vote movement, it's scummy. I have no reason to townread anything she said today either. NSG is probably scum as well.
In follow up of Irrelephant’s points against you:
You say we shouldn’t look at people who “dunked on scum” / pushed and voted Volxen D1, but you are looking at Volxen’s wagon yourself (Ausuka). I just wish you’d been on Volxen’s wagon earlier: instead you name-dropped Volxen early saying you would lynch them but did not vote for a long part of D1. Then when the wagon looked inevitable
then
you decided to vote / post your belated case. That is what is grating in the back of my head. I asked you before, give me a grade for “believability” for the scum narrative I am presenting. You are not acknowledging but deflecting. You keep laughing off cases on you with humour, gifs, talking about the worst, or throwing out a town read on the person analysing your behaviour. I feel the Volxen wagon was too damn enticing for at least one scum not to bus.

Nauci says NSG is the townie who towned in townville - are you going to challenge Nauci in regard this read?
I didn't read NSG's posts to any depth so yeah nancy can probably read her much better than I can

wrt my vote coming too late on volxen, it wasn't actually late and it wasn't an inevitable wagon. it was the moment we went from lynching sesq to me pushing the wagon somewhere else. yes I probably only convinced the worst to go there, but that caused the chain reaction that lead to volxen's lynch. I'll tell you to look at the momentum shift as soon as I voted there. the worst asked a question: who are we lynching, the guy who is the lead wagon or the townier guy who will look obvious later? I then ISO'd both and decided to go volxen. the momentum went from us lynching sesq to lynching volxen so yeah I dunked. I explained exactly why volxen was a wolf too. I wasn't the only or the first one to do it, but it was there.

but if you wanna lynch me mate, go ahead. I'm not really interested in winning these days anyway so I'm not gonna be typing a bunch of stuff just to defend myself. I can explain anything you find odd or whatever, but yeah none of your points are any good so I get to laugh my way to the mislynch.

"o now he is being a condescending dick! it's scummy!!"
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:11 pm

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In post 239, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: volxen
In post 345, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: sesq

Probably a decent vote tbh my tr on them kind of feels like it was probably an inaccurate shitread.
In post 408, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: volxen
i heard this is the new cool wagon to be on.
Does anyone know scum-Ausuka that much?


Would she be this sloppy with jumping from one wagon to the other without covering her steps with more detailed supporting explanations?

Elsewhere in her ISO, she has been very tidy: Ausuka has been meticulous presenting her revised global reads (frequently). But why does scum-Ausuka think she can freely hop on and off the Volxen/Sesq wagons without anyone calling her up on it on D2?
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