Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

[Ausuka]

lol

[Toranaga]

you're the cutest dratini I know

[the worst]

yeah I used the "ALL THESE PEOPLE PUSHING ME ARE SCUM" defence in a theme game recently and it messed with the gamestate really hard (ended up exposed and inadvertently stuck in a bussing thing which sucked but w/e)

I'm not really sure I'm gaining any alignment insight from the reaction

also like....not super inclined to ramble about what I'm seeing because I can use that to sort someone else :c

[Irrelephant11]

I am interested in where I tried to drive attention off wagon. that literally did not happen at all

541

[Reundo]

- Town and scum usually fixate on my posts. They are very juicy.
- Volxen knew I was town, thus attacked the players who attacked me.
- I secretly like players defending me, so I allowed it, instead of stopping them.
- There were a few player reads of Ausuka that I did not feel there was enough content to discuss.
- My Post 187 was a reason to s/read Volxen. I try to highlight only scum alignment indicative points against a player.
- I joined Volxen’s wagon because it was a wagon I fully supported.
- Basically, Volxen reacted like frustrated scum when their wagon built up.
- Volxen was attacking players for NAI reasons.
- I did not want to join the lead wagon (Sesq) because it looked like the low hanging fruit counter wagon to Volxen.
- Irrelephant11 mentioned he was happy/ready to hammer Sesq so I wanted him to re-evaluate that slot via WIFOM.
- I wanted to support an alternative wagon to Sesq. Volxen was still viable. I stayed on it.
- Volxen was not trying to distance me. I was one easy t/read he could express without raising alarm bells, and then attack players for pressuring me.
- Your original scum case on me was filled with scum tells that are not even scum tells. They are NAI behaviour.
- I encouraged you to look at the whole playerlist instead of tunnelling fluff. You then began to scum hunt, and found scum (pat myself on back).
- My reads were pretty solid on D1. I do know what distancing and buddying are.
- I did not scum read every player that scum read me. I realise town can have bad reads. Or I may have helped towards that read through my playstyle.
- Town players can do a complete 180 read change on another player (if their posts justify it. Your posts justified my 180 on you).
- Huntress NK had nothing to do with me (it appears you are suffering from deep confirmation bias now). That NK was chosen as it was a safe night kill (I.e Huntress was very unlikely to be watched N1).


I would like to discuss your thoughts on Toranaga and Ausuka though.

Eh, I concede that I might be giving in a bit too much to confirmation bias. On second thought, that NK was probably just done to try to frame you as scum. Toranaga might be scum, but I'm a bit more suspicious of Ausuka for her vote flip-flopping. I can probably be convinced to go for an Ausuka wagon here.

northsidegal where art thou

Seconding this. I'm starting to get a bit wary of her. It'll be easy for her as scum to lurk with all these counter-wagons going about.

[Eragon]

Ok it’s the weekend bt im golfing rn

Expect (hopefully) activity in about 7 hours when I’m back home.

Then I might actually do stuff. YAY!

[Flicker]

Votecount 2.06

Ausuka (4)

- Dunnstral 536, Toranaga 620, the worst 621, Keyser Söze 685

Toranaga (1)

- Irrelephant11 657

Irrelephant11 (1)

- Nauci 589

Keyser Söze (1)

- Reundo 554

Dunnstral (1)

- Ausuka 523

Not voting: Eragon, northsidegal

The deadline for Day 2 is 2:17 pm CT on Thursday, September 20, in (expired on 2018-09-20 15:17:24).

Mod notes

• - I'm V/LA for this weekend. Votecounts and prods will be minimal to nonexistent, but I'll still try to respond to questions like usual.
  -
  @the worst
  : Do I look like Professor Trelawney to you?

[Ausuka]

hi, is anyone around?

[Ausuka]

okay I guess I just don't deserve interaction.

[Irrelephant11]

Hi! I’m here for like two minutes

[Irrelephant11]

Ftr I townread you for jumping on every wagon
Idk what else there was in terms of case on you but I don’t have a scumread on you rn

[Ausuka]

so I'll do this alone and then it'll be totally pointless and you guys can lynch me and I can quit mafia.

I feel like Toranga is flagrantly howling and the worst is scum because he should know better than to a) scumread me here and b) to townread Toranga here. Like I get if you don't agree after reflection I guess but I feel like there are glaring issues with Tor's play that he is totally overlooking. He's also being evasive and it's very strange how he suddenly got a ping from me after I got a wagon. Dunnstral might just be town by reverse poe tbh.

VOTE: Toranga

pedit: oh hi Irrelephant.

Yeah it's totally backwards that people are scumreading me for having a PoE and jumping between the biggest wagon I was okay with but whatever.

[Irrelephant11]

Good points bye

[Ausuka]

I'm gonna do some titus™ vca

Votecount 1.08

volxen (4)

- Reundo 220, Irrelephant11 221, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224

2 718281828459 (1)

- Kop 194

Dunnstral (1)

- northsidegal 170

Reundo (1)

- Ausuka 142

Sesq (1)

- Dunnstral 117

[GameNBurger] (1)

- volxen 14

Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, 2 718281828459 151

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

what a beautiful vc. this wagon feels pure. I didn't read irrelephant or reundo to any depth but the posts keyzer soze mentioned are a great look for reundo who seemed to be onto volxen from the very beginning and for all the correct reasons why he was a wolf (the superficial highly descriptive posting that never really went anywhere). keyser is very towny and I think sesq is town for a lot of added up thin reads on both players in that slot.

alright good start.

Votecount 1.09

volxen (5)

- Reundo 220, Irrelephant11 221, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Ausuka 239

2 718281828459 (2)

- Kop 194, volxen 237

Dunnstral (1)

- northsidegal 170

Sesq (1)

- Dunnstral 117

Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, 2 718281828459 151

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

Mod notes

• - If anyone else would like to try finding a replacement for GameNBurger's slot, I'd really appreciate it.

dunn has a point in ausuka's very late entrance onto this wagon. I also dislike some of her posts. NSG, dunn, myself are not on any wagons and all look bad. I think <ausuka, NSG, dunnstrall> is a good lynchpool rn looking at this. since I made the 3rd or 4th vote later on volxen when sesq was a runaway wagon, I think VCA actually points to me being town as well

Votecount 1.11

Sesq (4)

- Dunnstral 117, northsidegal 307, the worst 308, volxen 330

volxen (4)

- Reundo 220, Sesq 222, Keyser Söze 224, Ausuka 239

Toranaga (1)

- Irrelephant 255

[2 718281828459] (1)

- Kop 194

Not voting: Toranaga 110, [2 718281828459] 151

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

Mod notes

• - Ausuka has been prodded. She has (expired on 2018-09-02 10:23:45) to post before I start searching for her replacement.
  -
  @northsidegal
  : After deliberation, I have decided to stick to my original deadline extension of pausing at 48 hours until the last replacement is filled (if necessary).

this points heavily to the scum team being NSG and ausuka

is that how it's done, titus? did I learn from the master well?

Like honestly this is just blatantly a mockery of Titus' VCA from someone who doesn't agree with her about VCA. Like, who actually writes "did I learn from the master well?" He's trying to make a point about VCA I think but it totally doesn't work. I also think Tor and tw's scumteam harmony comes from two scumbuddies more than everything else; I can't believe Tor is town tbh and like I said tw knows better than his play this game.

pedit: bye

[Ausuka]

I'll let someone else do it cause it's a lot of long complicated posting that'd require too much from me lol

I just dropped by to say ausuka has literally dropped the 3 names pushing her the hardest as her top scumreads

it's OMGUSing so hard that it's probably the first time I use the term seriously

This is also horrible, and ignores the fact that a) I was scumreading Dunnstral from before he voted me and b) town are naturally inclined to suspect people pushing them. Like in this case scum are legitimately on my wagon because the push on me is awful but even if they're not any townie is often inclined to say people pushing them is town. Honestly I think Toranga is far too experienced to not know this.

[Ausuka]

Keyser just likes sheeping confident people I guess. Still think he's town.

Reundo's last post was very awful btw but on the weigh of things still think he's town he's just a candidate for Tor buddy if tw isn't it.

Like as scum we have volxen + Toranga

and then for third we have

1. the worst
2. Dunnstral/Reundo
3. Eragon

Willing to clear all of {nsg, Nauci, Keyser, Irrele} and with me that's 5/10 players alive as townreads. That's not exactly ideal and I'd prefer to have more, and I'm being hasty with clearing nsg probably? but idk how I can clear anyone else.

[Ausuka]

Actually I think I'm just being over-paranoid and it's as simple as tw!scum. Like, he should 100% know that I don't make that wall as scum and he's being wildly evasive with this tell, like he was being evasive about his modifier in Project Pinecone. I think he's just scum here.

ftr if anyone wants recent scum meta from me look here viewtopic.php?f=83&t=77066 although I don't expect any amount of reasoning will save me so...

[Ausuka]

also maybe don't lynch inside volxen's wagon if you can avoid it today thx

game is easy bros. just don't do hero reads like me and TW this gameday and lynch inside an actual smart POE for today. not volxen's voters unless you wanna lynch sesq.

also him doing this and then jumping on me (who was on the volxen wagon) is really

this is the benefit of a bus in and of itself btw, consider the following;

this is actually a 12p game, we have two mislynches and that's it. from bussing you get a huge pile of towncred, which you then use on things like ^ this, which burns through town mislynches very fast. I can also imagine Tor would absolutely love the idea of getting mass towncred and sweeping with the worst as his buddy. as far as I'm aware this is the only example of someone trying to use the fact they were voting scum to their advantage wrt/ towncred.

[Ausuka]

{Ausuka}
{Irrelephant11, Keyser Soze, Nauci}
{northsidegal}
{Eragon}
{Dunnstral, Reundo}
{the worst}
{Toranga}

this is probably a more coherent way to state my reads

i'm not mulch and i can't really keep monologuing like this so bye.

[Toranaga]

Ftr I townread you for jumping on every wagon
Idk what else there was in terms of case on you but I don’t have a scumread on you rn

don't do this

[Toranaga]

also maybe don't lynch inside volxen's wagon if you can avoid it today thx

game is easy bros. just don't do hero reads like me and TW this gameday and lynch inside an actual smart POE for today. not volxen's voters unless you wanna lynch sesq.

also him doing this and then jumping on me (who was on the volxen wagon) is really

this is the benefit of a bus in and of itself btw, consider the following;

this is actually a 12p game, we have two mislynches and that's it. from bussing you get a huge pile of towncred, which you then use on things like ^ this, which burns through town mislynches very fast. I can also imagine Tor would absolutely love the idea of getting mass towncred and sweeping with the worst as his buddy. as far as I'm aware this is the only example of someone trying to use the fact they were voting scum to their advantage wrt/ towncred.

you're not a volxen wagoner, you're the latest entrance to it and you never even gave a reason to

when something else got hot you jumped there

there's nothing to your posting that's earning a townread rn. if you manage to convince town I should be lynched instead that's fine but then you die when I flip town, is that good?

[Toranaga]

Good points bye

those weren't even points lmao

please kill ausuka

[Toranaga]

I'll let someone else do it cause it's a lot of long complicated posting that'd require too much from me lol

I just dropped by to say ausuka has literally dropped the 3 names pushing her the hardest as her top scumreads

it's OMGUSing so hard that it's probably the first time I use the term seriously

This is also horrible, and ignores the fact that a) I was scumreading Dunnstral from before he voted me and b) town are naturally inclined to suspect people pushing them. Like in this case scum are legitimately on my wagon because the push on me is awful but even if they're not any townie is often inclined to say people pushing them is town. Honestly I think Toranga is far too experienced to not know this.

I'm townreading everyone that thinks I'm scum other than you cause I know you're doing this out of desperation. you're just scumreading everyone that scumreads you lol. and dunn is town so you're 100% wrong on all the reads.

[Ausuka]

also maybe don't lynch inside volxen's wagon if you can avoid it today thx

game is easy bros. just don't do hero reads like me and TW this gameday and lynch inside an actual smart POE for today. not volxen's voters unless you wanna lynch sesq.

also him doing this and then jumping on me (who was on the volxen wagon) is really

this is the benefit of a bus in and of itself btw, consider the following;

this is actually a 12p game, we have two mislynches and that's it. from bussing you get a huge pile of towncred, which you then use on things like ^ this, which burns through town mislynches very fast. I can also imagine Tor would absolutely love the idea of getting mass towncred and sweeping with the worst as his buddy. as far as I'm aware this is the only example of someone trying to use the fact they were voting scum to their advantage wrt/ towncred.

you're not a volxen wagoner, you're the latest entrance to it and you never even gave a reason to

when something else got hot you jumped there

there's nothing to your posting that's earning a townread rn. if you manage to convince town I should be lynched instead that's fine but then you die when I flip town, is that good?

I was very literally on the volxen wagon. you don't have to cram your push into literally everything you say!

yes I would agree to that in a heartbeat and if I get lynched I fully expect you to be lynched d3.

pedit: you can put your eggs in that basket if you want to but when I flip green that rebutal won't be valid. I think dunnstral is town right now actually. Keyser is voting me and I townread him.

also lol that's nice

[Toranaga]

glad we talked

it's weekend so I have little time to mafia

still think you're the cutest dratini