NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Scioness Sajj]

hai

will make a coffee and catch up

[Scioness Sajj]

i'm on page three and you people make no sense

[Scioness Sajj]

Phone.
Gamma.. ya actually need something from me or just playing dumb for lols?
Agree that mala is kitteh and io cruel for vote. Maybe ill look at reasonin when at home tho. Also probs with not doing ct today tho comment about readin mala iso pinged hard. Actually dont mind tje style.
I liked lapsa delay in voting me. Like he considered it for some time without doig first. Shows thoufht.

VOTE: tictac

[Scioness Sajj]

I liked lapsa delay in voting me. Like he considered it for some time without doig first. Shows thoufht.

"Like" like makes them more likely town or just like in terms of thinking being something you like to see in people?

why

[Scioness Sajj]

I got the feeling he was considering voting me and then he did. I don't think scum would need to make up their mind about something like that.

??????????????????

[Scioness Sajj]

this akarin - tictac interaction is something

[Scioness Sajj]

Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon with both popo and lapsa. I might be okay with one, but not both.

UNVOTE: Nofs

do you scumread them or something?

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Nosferatu

tell me why and i may join

[Scioness Sajj]

krazy, I'm voting tictac

[Scioness Sajj]

Malakittens is having a much better game than our last one together

really?

[Scioness Sajj]

Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon with both popo and lapsa. I might be okay with one, but not both.

UNVOTE: Nofs

do you scumread them or something?

Nope, but they have been doing this all game so far. I don’t really have a read on them because the lack of content from both slots. I just refuse to be on a wagon with them until they either start playing correctly or gtfo

i don't really understand your stance here. they are nulls for you and you don't want to do anything about it besides not wanting to vote with them?

[Scioness Sajj]

you are bad
mala is town

what makes you think mala is town?

[Scioness Sajj]

wow a wall post gimme half an hour :')

[Scioness Sajj]

you are bad
mala is town

what makes you think mala is town?

what makes you think shes not?

she jumped off a wagon due to association with nulls with low content.
does it in need to be explained further?

[Scioness Sajj]

i will get to this tomorrow

hopefully

[Scioness Sajj]

So why aren’t you voting me?

I can't vote both at the same time

+ it doesn't have to be that ai just silly thing to do

[Scioness Sajj]

can we stop trying to make this game even more miserable thanks

[Scioness Sajj]

My gut reads are not at all like that. Comments on this from others please?

i guess what gamma means is that the rvs vote itself isn't really that ai but he feels it's more likely coming from scum

[Scioness Sajj]

My gut reads are not at all like that. Comments on this from others please?

i guess what gamma means is that the rvs vote itself isn't really that ai but he feels it's more likely coming from scum

no
the RVS vote felt AI and I had a reason for it, but I had a gut "this looks wrong" feeling, rather than actually feeling like it was logical.
Maybe I should just use illogical in place of gut from now on
...
Wait what. What the fuck am I, Spock? (fyi I think the idea is fine I just wanted to make that joke)

well
you are not making any sense then

[Scioness Sajj]

Reading 468 was quite discomforting to me. First Tictac started out by saying that Gamma might be scum due to having an informed POV, but that was because Gamma was acting differently than usual and breaking their meta read. Any player has a general knowledge of their own meta and can change it, so I don't see what the problem is. Then they went on say another post looked towny, but could have been made by scum, ending that section with no conclusion. Afterwards there were a few comments on posts, but several were completely irrelevant to the game and the only two that contained actual content involved agreeing with other's points. I feel like that post has little substance despite being relatively long.

you could really benefit from shortening your posts.

but i agree, tictac has been mostly talking around, there was only that early nonsense read on lapsa and a vote on me just now.

[Scioness Sajj]

i will catch up but it won't happen today. it will also most likely not happen this weekend since i'm working, i will try

we will see

[Scioness Sajj]

you are bad
mala is town

what makes you think mala is town?

what makes you think shes not?

she jumped off a wagon due to association with nulls with low content.
does it in need to be explained further?

she did the what now???

she decided to unvoted nos becasue pox7 and lapsa jonied the wagon. she doesn't have a read on them, they are null, and they give no reasons for their reads, she also asked them for elaboration and now is in the state of waiting for them to change their playstyle(?)

pretty premature reaction if you ask me followed by really passive approach to solving those two slots that scared her off so easily.

so why is she town?

[Scioness Sajj]

Akarin i'm 20 post away from this, i will get to it.

[Scioness Sajj]

why did it take you 300 posts to ask though

[Scioness Sajj]

dude but tictac

[Scioness Sajj]

651 is to Aka
652 to Iso

[Scioness Sajj]

go ahead detective
tell me u also scumread nos and tictac and popo and purr and scioness

altho that last one is actually right

why didn't you vote?

[Scioness Sajj]

If I started to defend Nosf while scum reading then that’s a WK, which is one of the reasons why on my last micro game I was scum reading Umulat later on and connected him to Saudade which was wrong. Just saying. I never once ‘stopped’ nosf lynch.

I'm pretty sure that's not what white knighting is, but then again I didn't really see any comprehensive list of terms anywhere.
I'd consider white knighting more of jumping in to defend a player without any real precedent or reason. Such as jumping in to defend a small push on someone you are Null reading.
Jumping to defend a player you are scum reading is...I'm not even really sure there's a term for that because literally no one would do that as it's a fairly stupid play no matter your alignment.

And fair enough, you didn't stop a nosf lynch, but I'm really just trying to say you were trying to prevent a lynch. Or more accurate you suddenly backed off of someone you were wanting lynched for a very very weak reason.
Yeah, WK was probably not the right term, but I couldn't think of something more accurate.

whitenighting is p much defending somebody, like fighting arguments or answering question to wk'ed person before they even get a chance to post

defending a null read is just scummy,
depending on reasons though

[Scioness Sajj]

why did it take you 300 posts to ask though

That your answer?

don't play dumb it ain't cute :c

[Scioness Sajj]

honestly i havent read this game at all

maybe i will put some effort in day 1 but its not likely

so either deal with it or lynch me

#nocap

will you start playing d2? because i find it unlikely since you are not even following right now

[Scioness Sajj]

Lapsa is a good liability lynch
so is pox7
but do we waste our d1 ml on a liability lynch??
noooo

we lynch CT and get scum and win the game some days later too

don't think lapsa is liability

but if we want to policy d1 or not at all

[Scioness Sajj]

ok so why does everyone think mala is scum?? about to do an iso on them now but 271 gives me town vibes

what about Mala's posts that have some game advising content?

[Scioness Sajj]

go ahead detective
tell me u also scumread nos and tictac and popo and purr and scioness

altho that last one is actually right

why didn't you vote?

For u?

yup

[Scioness Sajj]

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid.

People are usually as smart as they are. "Trying to be smarter" is not an endeavor I'd expect immediate results from. That town-gamma apparently succeeded is a feat that borders on the unbelievable and the observed phenomena could much easier be explained by him having informed POW.

wat?

It's unbelievable that a person aware of their weaknesses could improve on them, unless they are scum?

Like how does knowing who town is even relate to making less stupid pushes? Do we have some evidence that they're more accurate? Would you expect more accurate pushes from scum?

another example of tictac commenting for the sake of commenting. nice it was brought up

[Scioness Sajj]

ah i have missed purros question there is a section of posts i didnt read

shame on me

[Scioness Sajj]

I dunno, I’m inclined to think Scioness isn’t scum atm just because of how little resistance their wagon has right now.
Like it went from no one saying anything to everyone agreeing they aren’t doing anything and a good lynch.

what wagon?

"everyone" is all of me and two people, so your defense is a little weird

Well and tictac just said they think they are scum.
And everyone else hasn’t commented.

Scioness is right in that totally okay with lynching zone for me too. Not for any real reason other than absolutely no reason to think they're town. Is it that weird that most of the game thinks meh, likely enough to be scum that I'd be okay with it?

Like if Scioness is scum, are the partners going to come out with some big defense right now? Based on what?

it's totally fine to pressure/have in lynch pool low activity players.

if i were scum it'd be most likely for my buddies to leave me alone and try to draw attention somewhere else
if i'm town scum would be most likely to wait to see people's opinions before voting

assuming they play safe

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness:

this akarin - tictac interaction is something

what is the something
i got the impression that you wanted to make it look like there was a something when really there was not a something

I want to know this too

yeah i have tried to bring attention to something but there was nothing so i just called it something and gained????

but to answer:
147 is p bad. i especially don't like the part Akarin quoted, with a read that amounts to 'it looks like he thought before voting me so he is town, because scum votes mindlessly'. Akarin asks for explanation, elaboration and elaboration again. it doesn't look like Akarin wanted to get anything out of value ut of them, as she wasn't really questioning the answers.

(it also didn't amount to anything as the convo ended with tictac's answer in 370)
so 'something' means artificial but more in a dead inside kind of way. forced engagement.

[Scioness Sajj]

will pick up 507 tomorrow

[Scioness Sajj]

re Gamma:
yeah they joined rising wagon, while still facesitting on their read on you, unless it came later i don't remember when they joined

[Scioness Sajj]

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid.

People are usually as smart as they are. "Trying to be smarter" is not an endeavor I'd expect immediate results from. That town-gamma apparently succeeded is a feat that borders on the unbelievable and the observed phenomena could much easier be explained by him having informed POW.

wat?

It's unbelievable that a person aware of their weaknesses could improve on them, unless they are scum?

Like how does knowing who town is even relate to making less stupid pushes? Do we have some evidence that they're more accurate? Would you expect more accurate pushes from scum?

another example of tictac commenting for the sake of commenting. nice it was brought up

Yeah no wtf? He was explaining how he perceived me. I recall Scion being scumread last game together, but not being wrong like this. Scummy.

come on Gamma
how is his opinion on you as a player a game advancing content?

[Scioness Sajj]

Gamma, look at Tictac's iso. when they say they scumread you they also add 'something somthing' (town-y)

i will get quotes for you tomorrow.

[Scioness Sajj]

684 i will look at it too but meh