Caught up:
Town reads:
Creature - because he likes reemphasizing his IC status.
553 - up to this post we did not.
Vex & skitter -I like their back and forth on setup spec vex in particular because this kind of effort about something so wifomy and unimportant (to the big picture) is usually not worth it for scum. Notice that it isn't posting
about
setup spec that I'm townreading, but it's all the extra research and actually using that to try and deduce some info. Premature if you ask me because it's not like we can make any conclusions based on it but it got him townread I guess. He also is kind of just committing to his scumread of A50 in a way that would be detrimental to him if he's scum and A50 flips town. Seems rather careless if coming from scum so unless they're literally buddies (wow that would be a hell of a performance by both) his play doesn't make sense from scum pov.
I don't like his read change on A50 though. I don't think someone who scumread A50's earlier posts would drop them to a null based on their later posts because there is imo little difference in tone and motivation behind his posts between the two readslists. But
647 that is some serious heart to heart. I think he gets it man. I think he gets it. I swear if vex ends up being scum this game he's just way too good at it. Like policy lynch just in case level of good. Quit the game because it's too easy level of good.
Skitter also for here dialogue with ruru; I think scum would have dropped it sooner but she was pedantic in trying to explain the nature of her ruru read. I think
352 is townie also. I think scum are more likely to read ruru's post there about vig policy and not give it a second thought.
502 is confusing his responses don't seem to fit the quotes. Wanting to vig a VLA / absent player so early seems odd though.
522 okay these posts are getting difficult to follow as an 'outsider'. Is it important for us to understand it or is it just for ruru's benefit? Also one thing I don't understand is why is it important for ruru to townread you based on what you would/wouldn't do as scum? Why aren't you trying to get him to townread based on your content this game instead? There's enough of it.
A50 - Passed my reaction test with the BoP question and didn't even point out to me that my predecessor has voted him even though I hadn't seen that. I feel like scum would have questioned it. Post
213 is the sort of weird self meta I feel A50 delves way too deep into as town. I fail to see any scum motivation to post
219. I don't have a lot of experience with scum!A50 but I believe he's a bit more emotional, a bit less engaged, and a bit more agressive when casing someone. I don't understand where he's going with
373, self voting is Policy lynchable imo but at the same time his vote doesn't seem emotional at all like it doesn't read like someone who wants people to back off by self-voting just reads like someone trolling. I could still consider the PL if my TR on him becomes weaker later on because I don't think self votes are good for the game.
Ruru - overall more townie posts than scummy ones I think.
Her posts discouraging setup spec come off a little LAMIST.
147 rubs me the wrong way.
But
214 feels more townie than scum using AtE.
343 seems townie. So does 389.
409 felt very 'real'. I could see it coming from a townie who has a lot of experience with who they're talking to (like ruru and skitter do) but frankly I have no completed games with ruru and I don't know if she's capable of faking this.
Why lynch jestery players over vigging them can you explain that a different way please?
I really really like the last part of
576. I think these things do tend to be scumtells more often than not. I don't think it outweighs the townieness of skitter's posting though.
I don't know enigma well enough to answer 734.
Sky - start was overly jokey in a way that's very in-your-face. Seems like something that only comes from relaxed town.
89 made me laugh.
452 good town list for this point in the game. I hate
595. Big post from Vex about sky is quite convincing. It still feels weird that she's being so obvscum. TW's entrance seems pretty good though. Coupled with the too scummy to be scum thing I say this is likely to be a townslot.
Scum reads:
Enigma - had something like 7 pagetop related posts out of his first 20 posts. He even votes for vex seemingly only because vex 'stole' his pagetop. The rest of those 20 barely talk about people, more about setup. Just not clear at all how he's reading people if he has any reads. Up to page 20 still not clear where he stabds reads-wise.
536 reads! Okay this is much better than his previous posts but not a difficult post to make as scum. Like it seems to be rather neutral for a reads list. I expect it to be more opinionated.
Hewhoswims - kinda pinged me how concerned he was with whether or not vex was a newbie. I agree with
259 as a general rule. But it doesn't apply to vex in this game. Also doesn't seem like he wants to 'make waves' so to speak.
Townreading my predecessor so strongly at this stage seems a little strange. He had barely any content compared to others and I didn't think it was obvtown to warrant such a response. If I didn't replace antihero I would ask him how well he knows A50's meta and then judge his case on him based on his response but not before.
497 I think we just go with A37's assessment and assume he has BoP here. If he doesn't get NK'd early, it's a good bet he's scum. HWS seems a little lurky also but not competely absent so I question the low post count.
Frank - very underwhelming entrance. I'm surprised he didn't have anything more to say. Maybe it's just me but these first few pages had enough content to form some early reads.
411 seems overly defensive, I don't think ruru's post warranted it.
487 ooooh SNAP ... this is gonna get good.
652 really man? Criticize him for something and also give him an excuse for it? Do you scumread what he did or not?
Gamma - I don't get
156, why not just say why you think he's wrong? And naked vote is bad.. why not provide reasons for voting A50?
But there's an undertone of trying to push people's buttons which iirc is something town!gamma does. Actually this undertone doesn't last.
499 - aww I was hoping for a fight. This game doesn't have a strong 1v1 argument we can analyze. There's A50 v Vex but it kinda feels like they're pulling punches.
528 okay this isn't AI but this reads rather condescending to me lol.
554 seems unnecessarily paranoid. He's also kinda passive. Not really putting himself out there with a strong opinion, not pushing hard on a case. Though in fairness his latest posts about tw vote are more in line with what I expect from town even if I don't agree with the read.
Ceejay - his catchup list (
707) seems underwhelming. Too many nullish reads. I know he hadn't read the whole game at this point but 15 pages is plenty.
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@vex - maybe I misiniterpetted A50's posts.. where does he hardclaim mafia BP? I thought he was just hypothetically speaking from scum perspective to get his point across?
@Frank - have you ever played with A50? What about everyone else here?
@people who asked - this is my first time replacing into a fairly long game (about 30 pages behind). So I wanted to speed things up and start engaging people before my full catchup so once I'm caught up we would have talking points. So I quickly formed an opinion on the most memorable people in the first few pages and posted to gauge reactions. Based on the reactions I'd have known that either I was way off meaning their later posts should change my opinions or that I was more on less in line with the majority which means their later posting was on the same wavelength as their first few posts. Also I only had time to read 5 pages before receiving my PM so I commented on those because they were completely objective. Very useful for me to look back to these reads post-game. That might be selfish of me but I try to improve every game and this was a golden opportunity to post something useful for analysis.
As for the pagetop thing there's a difference. It wasn't once or twice that enigma did it. He has this whole objective for this game. His first few posts like I mention above are dominated by the pagetop stuff. Compare that to vex who's pagetop was much more tongue-in-cheek BECAUSE enigma made such a big deal about it. Also if someone does it as town it doesn't make it pro-town. That's exactly why it's policy-lynchable behavior. It shouldn't exist imo.
@ruru/vex - I don't really understand the lynch or vig stuff. Care to explain it again? Which should be done to whom and why does it matter?
Ah vex = korina. Yeah korina as scum is not obvtown. He's not an easy lynch but he's not obvtown. Vex is being obvtown.
HURT: cjv
I'm inclined to vote for frank. He is more likely to flip scum than cjv (cjv is more lurky with shy reads than actively scummy) so frank is more likely to be bp if it exists.
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